[I] TLLOLOTGDTM

On October 09 2014 06:23 Dandel Ion wrote:
on the plus side now you all know how i call you in my head.

worth.


€ and if you don't like it I could notify people that you guys aren't actually doing any penning anymore :3

On October 12 2014 04:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

What?
What are you even saying?
You do know that the roles are randomized, right?
I mean I get your reasoning for the last part but ugh.

I hate it so much when people try to play mafia and base their shit on hosting in any way.
It's so fucking dumb and always ends badly.

On October 12 2014 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Trial by fire yo.
No mercy, I stated it before the game started.
You don't want to be lynched, then do something about it.
Play the game.

On October 12 2014 04:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
So here's a question for you MB.
You dropped a wall of text all focused on me, and then right at the end of it, dropped everything again and said this:


No conclusions.
No analysis.
DICK ALL.

You scum?

On October 12 2014 04:38 Lord Tolkien wrote:

This is mafia. That's the point.

On October 12 2014 04:42 ketchup wrote:
The Cixah bandwagon is too real. Especially when coming from Alzadar and GhandiEagle. Wave is looking more and more townie just because people want to parrot previous arguments against him for badly thought out logic.

Moonbear's post was fairly terror. I hoped he would provide more. So moonbear, who are your top scum now that you know this game isn't rigged? There's no way only one person is scum to you right now right?

Requizen, I'll keep asking until you answer. Who are scum and who are town for you?

On October 12 2014 04:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req I'm telling you right now, I'm not going to spend time arguing with you over how the game should be played and what you should or shouldn't be doing.

You can either contribute in a positive fashion and help the town win (assuming you're town) or you can swing by the neck until you are dead (or possibly be shot..?). Your current demeanor/attitude suggests you'd rather have the latter.
Entirely your choice.

On October 12 2014 23:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I'm glad that was the one thing you got out of my post.

And if he continues to play that way, at what point do we do something about it? He's not going to get any easier to read as the game goes on.

On October 13 2014 04:22 Lord Tolkien wrote:
I am somewhat able to believe MoonBear is just scrubbier at mafia than Req is at Pokemon.

On October 13 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fuck today really is too hard.
Soniv where the shit are you?
I normally don't like going outside of game but you just posted in OT, and you played a bunch of league. Surely you must realize that the town has very little direction right now, and surely you're not of the alignment of people who wouldn't care about that kind of situation...

On October 13 2014 06:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:


Now use your words please.

Why the sudden change of heart?

On October 13 2014 06:38 Cixah wrote:


No patience. I had things to do today.

Most of the reasoning that the majority of the people have come to seems slightly influenced by wave or alaric in some way. Which is fine unless we don't actually get a good lynch after tonight.

My reads right now.

Soniv is majority town. His lurkyness right now is still mostly in the favor of town when it comes to who has pressed who. I'd like to see more of his opinion on Alaric and Wave's position, preferably before the lynch in 3 hrs.

Wave is town. He's being augmentative but only because he's digging for more information. Assuming he doesn't die tonight, we'll have a decent idea of what's to come for d2.

Moonbear and Tolkin seem the most scummy to me right now. Moonbear's posts have been analyzed and I really have nothing new to add to them other than I think the lynch on him is probably not tonight. I would feel more comfortable if we had a vigi shot or something similar for him, but that's really not my call. Tolkin's posts have been sporatically themed with a very heavy dose of "Cause Dissension at every Turn". His rabid unwillingness to answer any sort of questions in reguards to reads, why he's voting Bandwagon, and never moving any town facing conversation forward.

Comadose hasn't said anything, but if he makes it to day 2 I think he'll make more of an appearance. For now I'm willing to lean on neutral because he legit has 1 page worth of filter. Post more. I need to know how you feel in this game, Specifically about Wave, Soniv, Tolkin, and Asmo.

Ketchep leans town for me. I'm not convinced he's The Towniest Town in Town, but he's moving in that direction.

Asmo is town.

Azladar is Null for me. I'm still unsure how to read his, mordek, jeff's REALLY early bandwagon but it doesn't sit well at all with me. For now those 3 or neutral.

Req is leans town but is playing like a wounded sheep. Req how do you feel about Azladar, Mordek and Jeff?

I'm still holding my vote for now, but most likely it will be used on Moonbear. I'm not convinced outside of last second heroics that you're not scum. Either that or you're just playing with a giant veil over your words because you want people to read way to deep into your posts and find nothing.

On October 13 2014 07:31 AsmodeusXI wrote:
This sucks.

I don't want to lynch a townie, but in lieu of a better argument for WHO to lynch (even if that argument is in the form of an RNG function... though I'm not in favor of that on principle) I gotta stick to my guns.

MB's showed no evidence he's town and provided no good reasoning or opinions for anyone else. What he has done is post a bunch of weird, unclear stuff. That smells like scum.

On October 13 2014 07:39 ketchup wrote:


You aren't a mod, stop trying to dictate how this game goes. Until a mod comes out and tells me this isn't allowed, I will definitely keep posting about it. The mod kill discussion was 100% legit because of this random ass move to jump on the ghandieagle bandwagon started by you, and followed by Tolkien.




This moonbear jump on ghandieagle bandwagon is hilarious.

##Vote: MoonBear

On October 13 2014 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote:

LOL
Are you fucking serious right now?
Do you honestly think I have had any reason at all to attempt to turn the town against ketchup?
I am so incredulous with this. I'd also love to explain to you why you're throwing your vote away and making it easier for scum but RAWRR FIGHT THE POWER I guess so you won't listen I assume.

On October 13 2014 23:55 WaveofShadow wrote:

Oh hmm.
I wonder why it's so quiet.

Better lynch me tomorrow guys, I'm only around to spread chaos and discord.

On October 14 2014 00:15 WaveofShadow wrote:

'Proof'

I dunno I just have to decide if I'm annoyed enough with how people in this game have been playing to let you all attempt to lynch me, lose the game but be vindicated, or whether I actually care more about winning.

Probably the latter.

On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far.

On October 14 2014 01:14 Alaric wrote:

Now you sound like day 1 Req.

Other than that... welp.
I was going to feel bad about lynching Moonbear (although more because his post upon returning seemed to imply RL stuff in the way of him playing) but then there was this Isaac-styled Night post and I had to laugh. Damnit Dandel.
I still stand by my choice not to switch my vote, not because I necessarily think Ghandi is town too but because of the mess that discussion caused.

I've got some opinions, but there's potential for them to drastically change once night actions are revealed so I'll keep the analysis/"update" for tomorrow.
As for what happened in-between, few things I'd like to point out:

Alzadar, not that I think you defending Wave is suspicious, but at this point I don't think it'll bring much. Since our goal isn't to keep the whole town alive but to lynch scum, it's better for us to accuse than to protect. The exception is when we're close to the deadline and we believe the current lynch is a contributing certified-town; the next deadline is 50+ hours away and I personally don't think Wave's in any real danger to be lynched, so we're better off letting that slide for now.

Cixah is most likely certified townie. If I understand the roles well, as scum the best he could do would be to convince a vigilante to shoot a townie tonight, then get lynched day 2 (a poisoner would be able to cancel his kill night 2 upon seeing Cixah flip red). That means we can be sure of Cixah's intentions whenever he posts, and there's never going to be any point to challenge them. However that doesn't mean that everything he says is right. I'm not saying I find your reads useless or wrong Cixah, I just want to remind people so as to reduce the chances of sheeping/bandwagoning using your certified status as an excuse.

Wave, as the post I quoted indicates, you're acting a bit contrary to what I expected from you-especially because you're a vet and you've probably dealt with mafia noobs already.
Could be you having a lot on your plate lately (you seemed to imply so in the offtopic GD) and I can understand that. However, if you're feeling frustrated because you're getting your experience challenged by the very ignorants you're trying to raise properly, think of it as training for the pebble's teen years.
Could also be you exaggerating (because you still don't like the way we play) to amplify the whole situation and get bigger reactions from us. Your and especially Tolkien's behaviour over day 1 made me more aware of these possibilities. In that case I'm wondering what kind of reaction you're trying to cause exactly.

(For the record I'm leaning toward the latter, also because being paranoid seems like a healthy mindset atm, I just wanted to make the joke. At least I didn't accuse you of WIFOMing us with the "do you think I'm good enough to mastermind you all?" instead. ;p)



I'm a bit perplexed by the association "I pay too much attention to Wave" => "Wave is scummy". I mean, he can certainly try to manipulate people in that direction, but whether or not you fall for it depends on you more than on him, don't you think?
Just a quick observation, I agree with your intention to broaden who you're looking at (waiting for a bit more Coma/mordek myself, now that owb came out the woodwork).

(On that topic, filters are weird. I looked at everyone's length after people mentioned Soniv said "enough" because I thought he wasn't very present, and he's actually got 5 pages. Oo And I only have 2 myself, despite feeling like I spammed.)



Fuck that post ends up revolving a bunch around Wave in the end, although indirectly. Whatever, I still think my points have value so here it is.

On October 14 2014 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Join the discussion we're about to have, Alaric. Don't disappear.
+ Show Spoiler +

On October 14 2014 01:27 WaveofShadow wrote:

Be careful with the bolded, because that's confirmation bias. Just because someone is wrong, doesn't make them scum (and from my POV, he isn't even necessarily wrong about all of it). As for 'attention drawing' do you think scum typically want to be in the spotlight or avoid it? That also goes for vote switching: why do you think scum is more likely to flip flop in votes? I think I discussed this before but that's a pretty common misunderstanding of mindsets---yes scum are likely to try and jump bandwagons and whatnot but to do so constantly draws attention to their voting patterns. I believe that town is more likely to be switching votes constantly as they are always (and should be) re-evaluating reads constantly/ applying pressure, and most of all they are the one who should not care at all about what they look like to others.

I also think you should go back and consider what I wrote about LT/MB interaction. Does it make sense for LT to remove his vote as scum from a likely town mislynch when he did?

On October 14 2014 01:41 WaveofShadow wrote:

Redtext - It's not great scumplay to try and draw attention away from other people when there's no one to draw attention away from who was in danger at the point that he was trying to protect exactly? It's D1 and the lynch is so high up in the air, why draw attention and cause more scrutiny when the lynch could be almost conceivably anyone at that point? Yes your point makes sense to a degree but ONLY if at that point you're danger of losing a stronger player and that very clearly was not the case. Not to mention you're make some pretty huge assumptions about roles here.

Bold - I'm not sure what you're basing that on exactly. Bandwagons are exactly how people get lynched, scum OR town.

Italics - How is pressure a bad thing? Pressure also can get scum to slip and say something they shouldn't or gets you information you want. Req, a couple of these points are simply you not understanding how the game is played imo---as a VT how else are you supposed to get answers you want? Voting is your ONLY power as a VT. I'm sorry if you don't like me saying that there's stuff you don't understand and given the earlier history I guess I'll understand if you ignore this point, but in the postgame you're welcome to ask anyone who has played a game of mafia and they'll tell you the same. You are simply wrong here. Vore pressure does not always lead to an angry mob situation.

Underline- it doesn't make sense for him to get off when he did.

On October 14 2014 01:53 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Ahahaha. Req thinks I'm scum.

I wouldnt have a problem with it if the reasoning wasn't so bad. Your picking up on traits which are the EXACT OPPOSITE of what scum wants to do.

lol

Town can't change their minds? Pls.

And really, how are we to read your day one when you spent the entire time moaning then playing the newb card?

I applaud the effort, though the reasoning is poor at best. After analyzing the votecount and general player atmosphere, i figured i needed to steer town off of what was most likely town. And not waste a d1 lynch COUGH COUGH.


Still wouldnt lynch wave or soniv tomorrow.


Also, i take it back. Vigi should shoot today.

On October 14 2014 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:

I posit that it wasn't lack of MB responding later on that got him killed, rather his general attitude and the early case against him/lack of reads without responding to those when he had plenty of time to do so. People had already made up their minds long before that became 'pressuring.' Look at soniv for example. Look at how many people DIDN'T vote MB and said 'I may move my vote over to him when such-and-such' happens. All the blame though can't be place on MB though, scum and town are both to blame as well. I personally believe the wagon had a decent scum push/following to it, and town were not willing to look past MB's early faults and consider the points I had brought up about MB's aggression (less so the blue stuff because I brought it up late).

As for the bolded neither do I but you don't see people willing to clear me for it, do you?
As far as voting patterns go, in my experience it is way more likely for scum to spread out their votes than to pile on---solo voting is a big no-no as was explained a little earlier. (up to you again if you consider that useful or not). I have a fair idea that you're town but obstinately voting outside the group is an easy way for scum to absolve themselves of responsibility like you are doing. This goes for me as well since I was voting Asmo.

On October 14 2014 02:07 Lord Tolkien wrote:

My posts get significantly worse when im posting on a phone lel.

Also it isn't EoN yet so no big reads for scum to latch onto.

HF trying to push me though.

On October 14 2014 02:10 Lord Tolkien wrote:

I dont give a damn what you do or don't think.

On October 14 2014 02:22 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Asking people to talk about others' posts is actually pretty important - it's how you get how people are thinking and reading other people, and it's how you get content out there, which is especially important D1.

I still maintain my earlier sentiments of Alaric being pretty townie.

On October 14 2014 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
MORDEK SCUMSLIP
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

Also Req I'm going to go ahead and say while it's nice that you're getting your reads out, it isn't strictly helpful to town to be vomiting everything all at once. Should be focusing specifically on who is scum and why as that is our job---if someone you think is town gets attacked then you can describe why you disagree and whatnot to prevent mislynching. Focus is key.

Just my two cents.

On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.

HINT HINT

On October 14 2014 04:01 Alzadar wrote:


Although true I guess, it this really "suspicious"? If it's suspicious to not be under suspicion...

On October 14 2014 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:


The thing that's setting me off about him is that ever since we chastised his early posts, he seems to be saying things that he thinks the town wants to hear, rather than what he's actually thinking? Idk, hard to put it in words. I'll really dig into it more in a few hours.

On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:

You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes.

On October 14 2014 04:17 Lord Tolkien wrote:

You have much experience with scummy attitudes then?

On October 14 2014 04:31 Alzadar wrote:
MoonBear (6): jcarlsoniv, Lord Tolkien, AsmodeusXI, GhandiEAGLE, Alaric, ketchup, AsmodeusXI, WaveofShadow, jcarlsoniv, Cixah

So who voted for MoonBear and why?



Soniv was first here. This was still pretty early and I think he had some solid reasoning, it's similar to why I suspected MB.

Later he unvotes because he thinks MoonBear is going to be modkilled but revotes when MoonBear appears. I don't mind Soniv sticking to his guns here, MB was definitely suspicious. Dunno what I think of Soniv being completely unswayed by Wave's blue assertion.

Tolkien was next, seems like a straightforward vote. Was still early in the day and the other main candidate at the time was himself, so not surprising he would vote the other way. Later he was a big MoonBear defender.



Ghandhi next, he just completely jumped on the bandwagon. Voted Wave early, which obviously wasn't going to happen, then hopped on the MB train and sat there happily till night.

Asmo felt it was between Ghandhi and MB, Ghandhi posted a wall that convinced him a bit so he flipflopped back to MoonBear. Doesn't seem too suspicious.

Alaric posts fucking massive walls, wtf. He voted and then said this:


I think most can agree that MB was not convincing that he wasn't scum. Which maybe he thought was alright since he was Vanilla.

You've all discussed Wave already.

Cixah's post is weird:


You think Ghandhi is a better pick, so you vote MoonBear when it was still within a vote of being Jeff? Obviously the IC claim makes it hard to suspect Cixah but you better believe if it doesn't get announced tomorrow that you are gonna swing.

From all that, Ghandhi is the most suspicious. Either completely bandwagony Townie or scum happy to sit on a mislynch without really debating the issue.

On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave.
In case I die, scumreads are
Soniv
Asmo


Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff

Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today.
mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric
Don't let anyone fall off the radar.

On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.

I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm.

On October 14 2014 13:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I'm not saying that as a reflection on your guilt or innocence, I'm just saying its unfair as a metric.

On October 14 2014 14:02 ketchup wrote:


You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please.

On October 14 2014 14:36 ketchup wrote:


I never said you started a witch hunt on Alaric. BUT your post containing him did call him scummy. What makes him scummy? What did you see that was scummy? I'm telling you that despite your insistence that you are town, you haven't done anything. I wouldn't even mind if you talked about Alaric for 40 pages or analyzed every single one of his line of posts, because at least you'd be doing something.

I felt this comadose train was really uninspired, and I called you out on it.

lol okay dude. I need to try harder. Please.




lmao feel free to do that dude. I think you are so off base with a lot of your information that it makes no sense for you stick to them like you are doing. Now actually, go do something with your supposed scum list. Coma has also responded in the earlier pages if you hadn't noticed.

On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote:
Filter check: Alaric
Feeling: Unknown/possible scum
Posting Habits: Observation

A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting.

I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment.

On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.

On October 15 2014 01:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
So if he was lynched right now you would be completely indifferent?

On October 15 2014 01:17 onlywonderboy wrote:

Who specifically? Looks like your main pushes recently have been on Coma and ketchup. Has Coma's return to the thread made him less of a priority in your eyes?

Also your push on ketchup seems weird. It honestly looks like you're just rage voting him because he's putting pressure on you. That's not good town play. We don't know who is mafia and who is town so just because someone is pushing you doesn't mean they are mafia. It can be frustrating but it's an important part of the game. Also ketchup's general play has seemed town so I'm gonna need more reason to believe he's mafia rather than he's pushing you over Alaric.

On October 15 2014 01:41 onlywonderboy wrote:

Everyone's opinion means something. So Wave is your number one scum, here's the last post where you really talk about Wave

Is this still the crux of your argument? Nothing about LT's death changed your mind on Wave? A lot of discussion has happened since this last read. Sometimes reiterating a point is helpful so we don't have to scour a filter to find relevant information.

On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:

This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion.

These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either:

a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way
or
b) Scum and doing Scum things

Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1.

+ Show Spoiler +

On October 14 2014 04:37 Requizen wrote:
I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.

But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool.

On October 15 2014 02:51 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Because we're noticing the same things?

I didn't ignore that post, it only reinforces my point - you aren't giving a read on me. "his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean" "this doesn't scream scum to me". These are very non-committal opinions.

You want my opinion? You look scummy as fuck. Moreso than Coma.

##unvote
##vote Requizen

On October 15 2014 02:57 Alzadar wrote:
Oh lots of posts while I was writing that.

Essentially right now I'm feeling pretty sure of Wave, Alaric, Ketchup, myself and Cixah obviously.

Fishy scum: Soniv, Ghandhi

Fishy: Asmo, Req

Rest I don't have a real read on.

On October 15 2014 00:28 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Well that's really not that acceptable. There have been some good arguments in favor of my lynch, surely you can come up with something. Please take the time to formulate a read of some sort.

On October 15 2014 01:00 onlywonderboy wrote:
I mean you could elaborate more on why you are neutral, say why you don't agree with the people that are pushing him ect. Also you shouldn't be completely neutral on anyone at this point, everyone should at least be leaning town/scum by now.

On October 15 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote:

ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed.

On October 15 2014 03:09 jcarlsoniv wrote:


That last paragraph is what's called an OMGUS vote, and it is a huge scumtell.

I'm sorry, I'm still not really following. Everyone seems to have an opinion on me except Req. When asked directly, sure he has stuck with his "I have no real read on him" position - but I find that unacceptable when everyone else seems to want me dead. He's actively avoiding a bandwagon without coming out and saying that I'm town.

On October 15 2014 03:15 Requizen wrote:

I didn't even know that was a thing. Ok, I guess it's a scummy move for someone who's played mafia for however many games, but you can clearly read the exchange between us (which was taking place at 1 in the morning) and realize my frustration. If not, then you can continue to ignore the evidence that is literally written down.

If I said you were town, it doesn't matter because it likely wouldn't dissuade people from riding your case given my bad reads and lack of conviction compared to theirs. If I said you were scum, people would accuse me of just jumping on the bandwagon given that I did not have that read on you previously. So I stuck to my guns and gave an honest opinion - that is, I don't know if you are either right now and I don't think I need to be forced to say.

My game does not revolve around you. You're just one out of eleven. Trying to force suspicion onto me is not going to get the votes off of you.

it is a huge scumtell.

On October 15 2014 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:


Yeah...that's not how OMGUS works. You voted ketchup because he started pressing you and asking questions. In your words "he was on your case". I'm voting you because in the face of several cases on me, and despite saying you'd dive into my filter, you're still null on me. What you did is OMGUS, what I did is vote someone that I think is scum.

You literally have just admitted that you avoided saying I'm scum because you didn't want to be accused of bandwagoning.

+ Show Spoiler +

This is scum mentality. You're concerned about looking guilty - townies should never be worried about looking guilty, they're there to find the reds. They're there to stick their necks out and see what's up. You're working hard to not stick your neck out.

Your game might not revolve around me, but right now, the thread is revolving around the case on me. So many people want me dead. Overwhelmingly so that people, Wave especially, should be able to tell that no one is in my corner. Once again, I state - this is why LT is dead. He was the only one who realized that I was town. Someone mentioned to look at his last post, and it says "if unsure, a Wave or Soniv vote works D2". However, I am where everyone's focus went immediately, and what's happening right now is a bandwagon through and through. And you can bet your ass that scum are happy it's happening.

On October 15 2014 03:47 Alzadar wrote:


I'll grant you that LT wasn't outright calling for your lynch, but he definitely didn't "realize you were town", he was pretty suspicious of you.

On October 15 2014 04:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Still in the midst of catching up but Req you're playing like shit again.
Shape up. You have me as your number one scumread again all of a sudden? Like wtf is that? Refusing to look into other people in more detail, ragevoting ketchup?

I dunno for those who think Req is scum consider that people thought MB was scum for faking newbie shit too...I think this may be a game where the newbies actually are just that. If req has been faking some of this stuff he's been doing a fucking masterful job imo, and you're discounting a lot of the effort he HAS put in when it was relevant.

Or of course it could just be the people voting for him are scum or something.

FInishing my read.

On October 15 2014 07:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
It makes sense from a shit town perspective, and zero from a scum perspective.
He keeps taking completely unpopular points of view which are likely to get him lynched, he refuses to take advice or listen to those better than him.

Tell me how drawing so much negative attention to oneself and acting the way he has toward others is scum play.

On October 16 2014 04:13 Alzadar wrote:


Anything else to add?

On October 15 2014 04:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
Eh. I think the only 'dangerous one if left alive' is probably me at this point.

/master of manipulation

On October 12 2014 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol fuck that, no offense Req but if tolkien flips red I want credit for drawing attention to it first

Any thoughts on my post people?

On October 11 2014 09:05 jcarlsoniv wrote:
waaaaanderful

jeffery, what's up and why are you scum

On October 11 2014 09:11 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Bad habit I guess :/

On October 11 2014 09:54 WaveofShadow wrote:
##Vote: GhandiEAGLE
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you our first scummer. Vote along with me for glory and for victory.

On October 11 2014 09:58 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Are there a set amount of each role?

Also fak u wavvy boy

On October 11 2014 10:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Lynch Wavvy boy and join me in the glorious sunset

##Lynch: WaveofShadow

Soinv - Wave - Ghandi OR
Soinv - Wave - Ghandi OR
Soinv - Wave - Ghandi

Soinv - Wave - Ghandi

On October 16 2014 06:38 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Also Req, you say the only way I turn up green (in any actuality) is if both Wave and Soniv are red, but they've been the two counterbalances. While it's possible that they've been orchestrating this for awhile, I don't think I'm willing to buy that level of skill from the both of them. Also, if there's 3 scum, then you're calling a lot of shady people innocent. That's really poor reading if you're legitimately confident in those scenarios.

On October 16 2014 06:42 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

My point is that I disagree a great deal about the 2/3 likelihood. I think it's very likely one of us is scum, and I don't think it's Wave, which is why I say it's soniv (an opinion I have been expressing since nightfall, Ketchup). I just think it's shortsighted of you to believe that of all the lurkers and shitposter this game has had, only one of them outside the "triad" is guilty.

On October 16 2014 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
K, read it.
Not as much lols to be had as I thought there might be (though I wonder at what point your continued refusal to see me as town eventually makes me lynch you).

You did forget to consider the scenario where all three of us are town. Not sure why you don't talk about that at all. Also not sure why you're absolutely certain 2 of us are scum rather than one. Like...the analysis is decent if you had more to base it off of but there's so much speculation interspersed in there based on very little. I dunno what else to tell you in that regard man. I really think one of us is going to feel VERY silly at some point in this game, and I highly doubt that person is me.

On October 16 2014 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like it sounds arrogant but I'm being completely truthful here, the fact that that you still can't see me as town req is concerning because it's either just deplorable townplay, or scumplay. Unfortunately I still think you fit into the first category.

On October 16 2014 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

lol I don't expect confirmed town from you but there are just so many facets to my towniness that you continually, pruposefully and obstinately ignore it's just SO bad.

In any case this doesn't go anywhere so no point in discussing.

Vote count, maestro.

On October 16 2014 06:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Alright, whelp, it's pretty clear at this point that the only way to get you idiots to stop voting for me is to claim. I am the Parity Cop.

"But Soniv, why didn't you claim earlier?!"

I was hoping that I would be able to talk you guys into putting your pitchforks down, and I was still pretty confident I could up until recently. As the Parity Cop, it is imperative that I make it through N2 without being roleblocked or killed. The longer I go without claiming, the longer scum goes without knowing what I am, and I was really hoping I would not have to claim. But for a town that bitched and moaned that Wave was trying to take control at the start of the game, you sure have been happy to let him lead your crosshairs.

I crumbed my N1 target, and earlier today I crumbed my intended target tonight. (both parts bolded in the below posts)





Now, Wave, instead of tunneling me as hard as you did, you probably should have actually read my posts instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and going "LA LA LA YOU'RE SCUM" - you might have noticed what I am. But at this point, you're either retarded or malicious, and I'm honestly leaning towards the former. Either way, you can suck my dick.

There are two hours left. Now get your god damn fucking votes off me.

On October 16 2014 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req wtf?
What are you going on about?

On October 16 2014 07:22 WaveofShadow wrote:

I don't think I have any 'good' reasons.
I'm just feeling real weak right now.
Jeff has actually put forth a fair amount of effort at what is likely the end of his life (obviously could be scum survival motivation as well) and even were we not to lynch him at the very least he's more useful/will be easier to read than coma.

I'm also tempted to push owb but I need more time on that one.

On October 16 2014 07:48 Alzadar wrote:
Like I get that it's a really bold move for a scum to make but it's the least risky of all Blue claims. Are fake claims actually not a common thing?

On October 16 2014 07:56 WaveofShadow wrote:

(most boring role imo)

On October 16 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo dropped the hammervote. Highly doubt he's scum now.

On October 16 2014 08:54 Alzadar wrote:


Can't target the same person twice in a row.

On October 16 2014 08:55 ketchup wrote:


Well, I would never counter claim here as a medic.

On October 16 2014 08:57 WaveofShadow wrote:

No, req.
But don't believe me I'm just manipulating you

On October 11 2014 10:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well I'm a vote (and posting) whore.
But then again you probably knew that, stud.

On October 11 2014 10:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why aren't people voting for scum?

On October 12 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
And how is voting dumb exactly? To those who care about the game, voting is absolutely everything. It is the only way most town members can exert any pressure at all and it is the only way at all we can win.

On October 13 2014 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I was much more confident earlier in the day, less so now. Pretty simple.
Problem?

On October 13 2014 07:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Tryhard posts can absolutely be incredibly scummy Req, but that's not the point. The point is we lynch Jeff today.

On October 13 2014 07:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
I feel a lot better about my vote on Jeff right now---I didn't really consider his taunting me earlier particularly scummy because that's a tactic I've only ever see more experienced scum use but I feel it's possible. The fact that he's leaving his explanations/defenses until right at the end of the day to force a scramble for majority is pretty anti-town as well. He has also shown he doesn't give any fucks about this game at all so I can think of no good reason to keep him around, even if he is town.
Would you want Jeff in a 3-man LYLO?

Vote accordingly, people.

On October 13 2014 08:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's see what happens.
##unvote
##vote:moonbear

On October 13 2014 08:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
I know that, but I just don't think scum.
Once again I ask, ladies and gents, shenannies?

##unvote

On October 13 2014 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah, I bet you're happy with your vote where it is, after fucking off and doing nothing all day.

Let's go people. Votes off Jeff and MB.
It's ASMO TIME
##Vote: AsmodeusIX

On October 13 2014 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
LOL
Are you fucking serious right now?
Do you honestly think I have had any reason at all to attempt to turn the town against ketchup?
I am so incredulous with this. I'd also love to explain to you why you're throwing your vote away and making it easier for scum but RAWRR FIGHT THE POWER I guess so you won't listen I assume.

On October 13 2014 09:01 Dandel Ion wrote:
AsmodeusXI (1): WaveofShadow, Alaric, Lord Tolkien, WaveofShadow

On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave.
In case I die, scumreads are
Soniv
Asmo


Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff

Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today.
mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric
Don't let anyone fall off the radar.

On October 14 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey cool, Wave is right about a whole bunch of stuff.
##vote: GhandiEAGLE
Get out my game jeff.

On October 14 2014 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
My voting you has nothing to do with the night kill, it's just a bonus really.
And to be honest? You don't come off as much of anything. Not gonna argue and shit things up. Other people can comment as they please.

I wonder if they killed Tolkien because he was next strongest townie that wasn't on 6ah's 'protect list.' 6ah if you successfully managed to WIFOM the scum into avoiding all of us that's pretty hilarious, because otherwise I would have bet that Alaric would have been the kill tonight.

Kk gonna read lynchies yesterday. Lynchies are kinda like blushies except less nonexistent.

On October 16 2014 07:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think if Jeff flips green we flat out lose.

On October 12 2014 04:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
Reaaallllyyyy want to hear from joey joe joe carlson the 4th now that activity has picked up.

As for the rest of you, take a good look at Asmo's few posts. Especially those that are voting Req for making excuses/martyring.

Why are we not lynching [red]Asmo[red] right now?

On October 16 2014 08:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Asmo dropped the hammervote. Highly doubt he's scum now.

On October 16 2014 14:35 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah, just remembered something random:
Asmo is back on the table since hammering 3P doesn't mean shit.

On October 17 2014 00:44 Alzadar wrote:
One thing I notice is that Requizen was around for the whole pre-lynch chaos but never changed his vote. What made you hold back, Req?

On October 17 2014 00:55 mordek wrote:
Almost editted... and Ghandi!

On October 17 2014 01:04 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req, flat out ignoring that post.
Sorry buddeh.

On October 16 2014 05:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

I will say this much, if he claims blue with very little time left that equates to a scumclaim for me at this point---it is absolutely not in town's interest to force the rest of town into a vote last minute without giving time to consider options.

On October 16 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:

LOL.
I was about to freak out that you checked 6ah and then I realized why you did.

To the bolded, <3 u bebe.
Unfortunately you don't play with me enough to know that I NEVER pick up on stuff like that. Rayn is always dropping hints and shit like that and I never get it. I'm pretty terrible in that regard.

Alright ladies and gents, you heard the man. Votes off.

##unvote

On October 17 2014 01:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alaric should be higher up on the suspicious list right now for everyone. His play has been classically good town play, but for all the people who keep throwing suspicion on me because I'm capable of lying/manipulating as scum, look at Alaric's play. He very clearly knows how to play mafia and knows exactly what he is talking about, and so should so know what town likes to hear. I also remember saying I originally liked his vote dump on coma but now that coma flipped 3P, it doesn't mean anything anymore similar to Asmo' hammer. (essentially either of them could have thought they were voting town)

And as for req I'll defer to someone who had a primary scum read on him---the tunnel vision has gotten insanely out of hand, even for a newbie. Soniv these questions are for you but others can answer I suppose.

Do you think it's possible for req to simply be sticking to his guns because
A) it's easy to do and keeps him consistent
B) because he knows a lynch on me will never gain traction and so he can't be held accountable?


Like I still doubt I'd lynch the guy tomorrow over someone like owb for example but people have to admit it's getting a little bit insane, even for terrible town.

On October 17 2014 01:19 Requizen wrote:

Wave, you've done nothing but deflect and avoid any claims against you. You even go so far as to discredit people who post against you, attacking their posting rather than their points against you. This does not look good on you, whether you want to admit it or not. If you're town, defend yourself, don't point at other people and scream about how Town your posting is, because it gets less believable each time you do it.

On October 17 2014 01:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Req soniv claimed blue with more than enough time to deal with it. I have nothing to say to you anymore dude. You're either scum or you're horrible town, and either way you're distracting and useless. Get back to me and the rest of town when you get a clue. You can't just call everything I do deflecting because I refuse to engage your ridiculous notions anymore.

On October 17 2014 01:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well too bad because I'm not going to try to convince a guy who has tunnel vision ed me since the start of the game. I tried to do it with logic days ago and that didn't work, it's certainly not going to work now and a waste of time and will just serve to piss me off. Req doesn't believe in the way mafia is supposed to be played, he scoffs when people try to help and give him advice and he does what he wants. You're welcome to cater to him because I've done it long enough.

I'm going to be ignoring req until he gives me reason not to, and garnering votes against me tomorrow won't do it.

On October 17 2014 01:45 jcarlsoniv wrote:
it's really funny reading that after being the target of your tunneling

On October 17 2014 01:40 Alzadar wrote:


That request is meaningless since if he's scum he can ensure that Soniv dies or is roleblocked.

On October 17 2014 02:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Nah medic and JK is probably OP.

On October 17 2014 04:17 Alaric wrote:
Caveat: my read on Req relies primarily on that I used to think him 100% unable to put us on strings. I'm more paranoid now that I think someone is making bold lies (and potentially being real good at it) so I dropped the 100%.

On October 17 2014 04:36 Alaric wrote:

Fuck you.
Now Imma read the rest of your post.

And don't take it personally Req, it's been the same for everyone ('cept ketchup at the time, RIP), you just stick out because I was so damn sure of you.
Unless you dislike my thinking you ain't no born mastermind?

On October 17 2014 04:42 Alzadar wrote:


Now look who's talking.

Also Req wtf why would we not play another game after this one?

On October 17 2014 06:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I wouldn't mind a few more opinions on my check tonight

On October 17 2014 07:12 jcarlsoniv wrote:


No, you're right. But I still have to try.

On October 17 2014 11:21 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wave always willing to distance himself from being scum in his posts.

Don't think I'm not noticing that.

On October 21 2014 02:42 Alzadar wrote:
Req, there was a time where you said that the only way Jeff was Town was if Soniv and Wave were both scum. We know Soniv wasn't scum. So do you think the last scummers are Ghandhi and Wave (implying a semi-attempted bus from Wave's very first post), or has your opinion of Jeff changed?

On October 21 2014 03:46 Alzadar wrote:
It's hard to keep up with every plotline here. I didn't have the impression Req was hounding Wave until Wave started complaining about it though.

On October 21 2014 04:45 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Yes, OWB was clearly just a bus for me to save myself. Because that makes sense.

On October 21 2014 04:53 GhandiEAGLE wrote:

I constantly pointed to him. VERY constantly. When nobody else was. I said I wasn't confident in taking my vote off the person it was on, but even when there was no attention drawn towards him I took steps to make sure he didn't get away. That's why I said Alzahar's voting post wasn't entirely too useful, since it didn't cover things like that. Look through my filter if you don't believe me.

On October 22 2014 00:32 mordek wrote:
Wow, is it really Req and Alaric?

On October 22 2014 00:35 mordek wrote:
Alz is pretty confirmed. Wave could be masterminding us all but I've been pretty sold on his towniness all game. I just went through Ghandi's filter and I can't see the scum motivation behind is posts and play.

That leaves me (Town Poisoner who can't provide any more proof, as far as I know) Alaric and Req. Req is on the chopping block and Alaric picks on me who admittedly is the easiest target out of Alz/Wave/Ghandi (I just changed my mind on Jeff). Req makes it clear "He's willing to switch to scum" but votes on Wave, consistent with his MO all game. So if Alaric is able to convince anyone else it's possible I get lynched here instead of Req.

On October 22 2014 00:54 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, basically what Req said: we have to kill scum tonight, but no matter how convinced I am mordek is one I'm still only one person so we're reliant on each other.

Fun fact: Wave now actually has the "key" status he claimed about Soniv because of how unlikely our votes are to spread 3 ways, and how comparatively harder it is to break a tie (I mean really do it, not use a tiebreaker) when there are 6 people remaining compare to 12.


Ugh... I guess another way to look at it is who we think are the two remaining scums.
So far Wave seems set on Req and... we don't know.
I think mordek and Requizen (less so Requizen because fucking dynamic with Wave).
Requizen thinks Wave and Ghandi.
Mordek doesn't know.
Ghandi thinks Req (thinks Req has a point on Wave, but since he's town and Req accuses him that makes him less likely).
Alzadar thinks Req for the same reasons (Ghandi townie, so Req accusing him is scummy).

All of you who aren't sure you else you'd point out, please think about it then. Even if we strike true today we're only getting a respite and we'll still have one lynch to carry out Day 5. With how little activity we've had N3/D4 I'd rather you start thinking now than not have any idea come Day 5 and end up with a RNG lynch and a prayer or something.

On October 22 2014 03:58 mordek wrote:
I'd be ok if we hopped on another train of justice. It's only fitting for OT first mafia. You never know where you'll end up.