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On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes.
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On October 14 2014 04:06 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll say this. If you believe Ghandi is scum, look at the MB wagon. If you think keff is just bambi, look at the non-votes. I'll say this: your posting today has been rl shit tier.
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On October 14 2014 04:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:06 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll say this. If you believe Ghandi is scum, look at the MB wagon. If you think keff is just bambi, look at the non-votes. I'll say this: your posting today has been rl shit tier. Its all the phone m8.
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On October 14 2014 04:01 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote: Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.
I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much. This alone should be suspicious. Scum are playing well when they draw no focus. Although true I guess, it this really "suspicious"? If it's suspicious to not be under suspicion...
On October 14 2014 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote: Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.
The thing that's setting me off about him is that ever since we chastised his early posts, he seems to be saying things that he thinks the town wants to hear, rather than what he's actually thinking? Idk, hard to put it in words. I'll really dig into it more in a few hours. That's true, while it sounds silly it is possible to be too unsuspicious, it is possible that being too aggreeable gives off a "scum trying too hard" vibe.
Alz, I don't think you're scum (yet), but I wouldn't be in a dark room with you and a gun.
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On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town.
This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive.
Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard").
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wave pls, I understand that you're now gunning for my head, but calm your tits
I did a quick skim of these posts:
On October 14 2014 01:56 Requizen wrote: Filter check: OWB Feeling: Not scum Posting Habits: Lurking
OWB was away for most of the game and has a very small filter. His vote for no-lynch makes me think town. Scum coming in late, catchup or not, could always fake reading by following their fellow scum's voting patterns. No-lynch makes me think not-scum who was, in fact, distracted. Our reads are different but line up in a couple places. Read logic is pretty good.
Filter check: Ghandi Feeling: Not scum/who knows Posting Habits: Shitposting
I don't know if GEagle is actually going to play the game at all right now. There are a couple decent posts in his filter, but a lot of clogging posts about how misunderstood he is (ironic I know given my first few D1 posts) and his normal/shitty one liners.
On October 14 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Filter check: Alaric Feeling: Unknown/possible scum Posting Habits: Observation
A good portion of Frenchie's posting is trying to encourage discussion, a lot of asking "name - what do you think of so-and-so?" This is not a bad thing, as encouraging discussion is good for the Town. However, there were relatively few posts with his own opinions. Perhaps he was just waiting for someone to ask him for them as he asks others, but it is worth noting.
I give possible scum, since pointedly asking people to post/critique one another is a very simple and easy way to stir up trouble. Not a particularly clever way to cause town disruption, but one that is effective if left unchecked. Low scum reading, but not 0 at the moment.
On October 14 2014 02:33 Requizen wrote: Filter check: mordek Feeling: Unknown/low scum likelyhood Posting Habits: Normal?
I like mordek's posts so far. He posts his feelings without pushing too hard on people, and has been helpful for new players. This could be a play on scum!mordek's part to get on people's good side, or he could just be a good sport. Or he could be town and just doing his thing.
I liked his reads and he didn't sow much or any discord in his D1. He's low on the watchlist.
On October 14 2014 03:04 Requizen wrote: Filter check: AsmodeusXI Feeling: Town Posting Habits: Reasonable
Asmo's posts give me a green vibe. I'm not trusting him yet, but I in no way have a bad feeling from him. Yes, he voted for MB, but he made that call very early and gave reasoning for it before the train began running. I have not agreed with every call he's made (for example, his aggression towards AFKers and his tirade against Jeff), but I think he's more town and anything.
The only thing that stands out to me is his post after MB flipped green - the anger and regretfulness is in line with his normal posting style, but it only feels a little too forward, as if Mafia!Asmo is trying to force sounding regretful about his decision.
But then, I've started to feel a bit mistrustful of any post that isn't strictly productive towards saving the town.
"A quick skim of his filter summations". When I said "you've given several reads so far", these posts are what I was talking about. Look at all of his "feeling" lines - they're all just meh.
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On October 14 2014 04:14 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town. This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive. Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard"). You have much experience with scummy attitudes then?
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On October 14 2014 04:17 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:14 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town. This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive. Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard"). You have much experience with scummy attitudes then? Yeah, I hang out in TLLOLOTGDT
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Of course they're all meh. I can't say I care much about what they say, but the fact that he's doing them means he's likely to be town (obviously scum can feign activity like this pretty easily but I dunno. Req.)
The point I'm trying to make is, he gave reads before those reads. There was a lot of talk before he started doing those. You very specifically said you don't know who his scumreads are and wanted him to state them. That is a very obvious and glaring omission. But then again, I don't need to convince you, do I?
Why does nobody else want to talk about soniv? Is this just pushback because of the way my in-game personality doesn't seem to fit in this particular game? Because I'm not sure how to make people consider my posts any other way.
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On October 14 2014 04:18 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:17 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:14 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote: Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town. This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive. Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard"). You have much experience with scummy attitudes then? Yeah, I hang out in TLLOLOTGDT Touche.
But that doesn't carry over into mafia.
I find the evolution of your thread voice...interesting.
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Req he's not going about it in a particularly useful way but the fact remains he is technically right. Either way if you're annoyed by him, stop responding. Look into soniv for me and all of the stuff I've said about him.
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I consider everything mon bon cheri.
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No Wave, I want to talk about Soniv too. Just because I like his play (and have agreed with it/branched on it for myself to the town's detriment) doesn't mean it should be glossed over. I've been reading up but I got thinking to do that I can't really do at work atm. I plan to gather some ideas for post-work scum hunting.
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On October 14 2014 04:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Why does nobody else want to talk about soniv? Is this just pushback because of the way my in-game personality doesn't seem to fit in this particular game? Because I'm not sure how to make people consider my posts any other way.
I don't know why everyone seems to be ignoring me, but I would love for people not to ignore me just because you're the one pushing me. I'd rather people talk about it and figure it out than let you run around in little circles. If you are, in fact, town, I hope you can get past this vendetta on me and do some real scumhunting.
But if you're scum, then feel free to continue yelling at the wall
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MoonBear (6): jcarlsoniv, Lord Tolkien, AsmodeusXI, GhandiEAGLE, Alaric, ketchup, AsmodeusXI, WaveofShadow, jcarlsoniv, Cixah
So who voted for MoonBear and why?
On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler +
Soniv was first here. This was still pretty early and I think he had some solid reasoning, it's similar to why I suspected MB.
Later he unvotes because he thinks MoonBear is going to be modkilled but revotes when MoonBear appears. I don't mind Soniv sticking to his guns here, MB was definitely suspicious. Dunno what I think of Soniv being completely unswayed by Wave's blue assertion.
Tolkien was next, seems like a straightforward vote. Was still early in the day and the other main candidate at the time was himself, so not surprising he would vote the other way. Later he was a big MoonBear defender.
On October 13 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Sticking with Moonbear because I feel bad about no-votes, but I'm not 100% convinced.
##Vote: Moonbear
Ghandhi next, he just completely jumped on the bandwagon. Voted Wave early, which obviously wasn't going to happen, then hopped on the MB train and sat there happily till night.
Asmo felt it was between Ghandhi and MB, Ghandhi posted a wall that convinced him a bit so he flipflopped back to MoonBear. Doesn't seem too suspicious.
Alaric posts fucking massive walls, wtf. He voted and then said this:
On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations. But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now. Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed.
I think most can agree that MB was not convincing that he wasn't scum. Which maybe he thought was alright since he was Vanilla.
You've all discussed Wave already.
Cixah's post is weird:
On October 13 2014 08:50 Cixah wrote: ##Vote Moonbear
I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night.
You think Ghandhi is a better pick, so you vote MoonBear when it was still within a vote of being Jeff? Obviously the IC claim makes it hard to suspect Cixah but you better believe if it doesn't get announced tomorrow that you are gonna swing.
From all that, Ghandhi is the most suspicious. Either completely bandwagony Townie or scum happy to sit on a mislynch without really debating the issue.
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On October 14 2014 04:02 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 03:55 ComaDose wrote:On October 14 2014 02:18 Lord Tolkien wrote: Also Coma. Pls. Soniv is cleared for his push onto MB. can you tell me what i miss as to why? is it because he just stuck with his original gut feeling? you were on again off again on the moonbear train too. and it seems like for the most part you and soniv only have good things to say about each other. i.e. soniv desregarding scummy reads on you and you saying he is clear now. Can you explain more? Soniv pushed the MB train hard. Scum usually don't want the attention early for pushing a town mislynch D1. Much better to look at the people following the train and sheeping. That's not true in the slightest. Scum are happy to secure a mislynch since it's often very difficult to specifically pin it on any one person. Hell I don't think Soniv can take credit for MB going down on his own at all, simply the standing out factor is that he stood his ground. You can even look at that either way saying 'oh well he must be town because he stood his ground even in the face of a mislynch and the potential for him looking bad---no scum would want that' 'or 'he must be scum because the lynch was showing the potential of being carried elsewhere by wave/people who switched to Jeff (Note to self: Have another good look at the Jeff wagon) so he stood his ground to keep it there.' Both options are equally likely to me--people have been calling me scum for trying to head lynches on people---do I look like I'm afraid to take any heat? The MB vote is why I've been slightly suspicious about Soniv and Asmo. It was an easy bandwagon because MB had been lurking. You can easily deflect the attention by just claiming the lynch made sense at the time due to his play style. It's just easily dependable and gives scum an early chance to get an easy kill without raising too much suspicion.
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*EBWOP "defensible" not "dependable"
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I don't know on Soniv. Again, like Alz, his posts aren't scummy, but they don't feel squeaky clean. I like how he was on MB from early and stuck with it, so he wasn't really flip-floppy. Even if it was wrong, I like how he put down a feeling and then stuck with it rather that throwing his vote wherever.
But, his discussions (while moving the thread along), rarely give any of his own opinions. Other than his read on MB and an early read list, most of it is just talking about other player's reads until the end of the day rolled around. This doesn't scream scum to me, but it's very observer-like and lurky. Being around, talking without really drawing attention or saying anything that jumps can be a very effective stealth tool.
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On October 14 2014 04:31 Alzadar wrote:MoonBear (6): jcarlsoniv, Lord Tolkien, AsmodeusXI, GhandiEAGLE, Alaric, ketchup, AsmodeusXI, WaveofShadow, jcarlsoniv, Cixah So who voted for MoonBear and why? Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 05:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:y'know what? fuck it ##vote: MoonBearYou can, in fact, continue on the "he said, she said", that's how this game works. And y'know what you've said? Nothing. But you, more than any of the others who've done the same, come off as faux-contribution. Moreso than Alzadar. Asking about cops, trying to discern the setup, having 0 conclusions. THE BEAR'S BLOOD WILL DRAIN RED + Show Spoiler + Soniv was first here. This was still pretty early and I think he had some solid reasoning, it's similar to why I suspected MB. Later he unvotes because he thinks MoonBear is going to be modkilled but revotes when MoonBear appears. I don't mind Soniv sticking to his guns here, MB was definitely suspicious. Dunno what I think of Soniv being completely unswayed by Wave's blue assertion. Tolkien was next, seems like a straightforward vote. Was still early in the day and the other main candidate at the time was himself, so not surprising he would vote the other way. Later he was a big MoonBear defender. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 03:59 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Sticking with Moonbear because I feel bad about no-votes, but I'm not 100% convinced.
##Vote: Moonbear Ghandhi next, he just completely jumped on the bandwagon. Voted Wave early, which obviously wasn't going to happen, then hopped on the MB train and sat there happily till night. Asmo felt it was between Ghandhi and MB, Ghandhi posted a wall that convinced him a bit so he flipflopped back to MoonBear. Doesn't seem too suspicious. Alaric posts fucking massive walls, wtf. He voted and then said this: Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 07:13 Alaric wrote:On the other hand, just because it's Moonbear's first game doesn't mean he's not maybe better at this kind of things than you. An issue for me here is that I have no idea what "serious" Moonbear is like, since he's always that jolly cheerful fellow with us in the off-topic thread (heck, even when he warns me it's more like "PSA from your friendly neighbour"!), which muddies my expectations. But in the end I said I'd rather vote for someone dubious than an afk*, so I'm looking at him right now. Moonbear, what that means is that you're close to a default lynch than a 100% scum read for me, so if you wanna stay alive it's up to you buddy! Be convincing, preferable before I go to bed. I think most can agree that MB was not convincing that he wasn't scum. Which maybe he thought was alright since he was Vanilla. You've all discussed Wave already. Cixah's post is weird: Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 08:50 Cixah wrote: ##Vote Moonbear
I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night. You think Ghandhi is a better pick, so you vote MoonBear when it was still within a vote of being Jeff? Obviously the IC claim makes it hard to suspect Cixah but you better believe if it doesn't get announced tomorrow that you are gonna swing. From all that, Ghandhi is the most suspicious. Either completely bandwagony Townie or scum happy to sit on a mislynch without really debating the issue. This is a good post. I agree with many of these deductions.
The biggest point in the context of this post is clearly Cixah. I hadn't paid much attention to how he posted into his vote, but in this light, if he doesn't flip IC, he's immediately suspicious. You don't go with your #2 to kill someone you're not sure of.
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I have to go to work now so I'll be gone for most of the evening. I should be able to check back in tonight after the night phase ends and see what's going on. If not I'll definitely be able to catch up during my morning class tomorrow.
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