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Wave: 55% Scum, 45% Town. SImply because of how agressive his opening post is towards being town leader. I don't trust it quite as much but none of his other posts have given any other reads other than TRUST ME! It is day 1 so i expect alot of this. Azladar: Simply Scum to me right now. His posts offer no town facing arguments other than to cause confusion in the ranks while furthering nether side. Soniv: Reads town, but hasn't shown either side in his posts or verbiage. My question to Soniv is Wave Town or Scum? Ketchup: Reads town to me right now. Only slightly though, 51% T 49% S. On October 11 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Nah 6ah is for his guild bank shenanigans. I mean you're not wrong, but luckily we don't have a banker role here. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:35 WaveofShadow wrote: Bold play plz. I've asked ketchup this multiple times and he hasn't answered my latest post towards him but I like that you actually had some input on what you think my intentions are. Big ol' townpoints for you. Who is town then? Right now I'm lynching Alzadar. Can't infer anything from his posts and I need to go to bed and the sleeping pills are talking. ##Vote: Alzadar | ||
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Since Wave was the first to vote for you you're getting lynched first. | ||
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Should you prove that you are town and not scum. | ||
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Randomly, We don't know KP until night 1 right? Do games normally say how many scum there are when the game starts? Either way, Top 3 Scum to me right now are: Wave Alzadar, the most likely to me. Tolkin Wave claims vanilla town which does absolutely nothing. Not a power role, and is asking for protection (this is more than likely just because he thinks he'll be targeted). I don't think he'll be lynched D1, but if he makes it through N1 I would be hessitant as to how much power he holds. Alzadar still hasn't made any town moves for me. Everything he says furthers mafia side more than Town for me. Tolkin could just straight up be bullshitting for D1, but all of his posts push to killing wave (whom is the only person who has claimed even if it is likely false). All 3 of these can't be correct, but by the way people are playing this is what it looks like to me. Question for Wave: Is Jeff actually Scum or did you just vote him because Jeff? Question for Alzadar: How Town is Wave for you? Question for Tolkin: Alaric and you get in a bar fight, who wins? | ||
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On October 11 2014 22:04 WaveofShadow wrote: 6ah I'd like you to answer your own question towards me before I answer it. Also, like much of what everyone else has posted, I'm not sure how anything you write against anybody there makes them scum. Your points on alzadar are the most compelling of your three, though that's not saying a great deal since others have said it before. I think you did it just for the sake of starting the game which is fine. I just wanted your opinion before I generally just wrote off anything else said. Vanilla Town claim is awkward because it doesn't really further the game at all and yet here we are 3 pages later still talking about it. I don't like the call for protection that early. It makes me think you scummy because why wouldn't scum want steal the protect for their selves? Ghandi, Why are you a scum bag? | ||
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On October 11 2014 23:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: ^ Alaric, I love your skepticism, don't lose it. Keep in mind, even if Jeff does flip red (assuming he ends up being the lynch target), that does not at all prove Wave's towniness on its own merit - bussing a teammate is a common strategy, and a scum Wave would know how to do it. Wave's claiming protection was probably the sketchiest thing he's done thus far, but it's at least got viability behind it - if he comes out the gates as a super aggressive townie, pinpoints a scum and goes right for him, you bet your ass Wave will be a top priority scum target. That said, Wave, we are still waiting for you to tell us why Jeff is scum. His posting is standard Jeff, which is unfortunate. I hope he starts taking the game seriously. ____________________ @Cixah: Swaglord is on your scummy list - ok, I agree. He has had bullshit, contentless posts thus far. But so has Jeff. There's not a whole lot to go on either of them, but Jeff is relatively fine in your eyes? [Wave being your top read for the one reason you've given is honestly a bit silly. Also - We will not know KP for sure until end of N1, and even then, all we'll know is how many people died. It won't tell us whether they're scum KP, town KP, etc. So we can get a rough idea once there's evidence, but speculating about numbers now, especially this early, isn't that useful. That's all the "hard" thinking I can do until I get some coffee in me. I more than likely should have ordered that better. Alzadar is my #1 scum read right now. Wave is solid number 2, but I can't really place my third. Until Wave responds on his "attack" on Jeff it will most likely stay that way. Jeff's posts are consistent Jeff. His one liners along with the subtle jabs make him look scummy even if we aren't playing. I have no read because there is nothing to read at the moment for Jeff. | ||
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On October 12 2014 01:06 Alzadar wrote: I think there's a decent chance on ketchup, yes. He declared his suspicion for me after Wave, when all I'd posted were the meta-observations. More suspicious is Cixah, who showed up to the Alzaparty after you three, repeated what you'd already said and then voted. Then there's this kind of stupid post padding: 55-45? 51-49? These aren't reads... They are reads early in the game when I've read 10 total posts? Reading me Scum is awkward, especially when you take a post that I have flip it in reverse and say that it's padding. Once again, you've yet to show anything town forward and show scum tenancies. Wave's posts have me thinking he's more town, but I feel like I should stick with my gut until after N1. Once me know more roles, or get actual input from the Lurkers (Moonbear, Ghandi, and OWB) I can take another look at how I feel about this situation. | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:39 Lord Tolkien wrote: Wat. OH. I see. You're gonna be anal about capitalizing the "Vote", huh. Well anyways, going back to afking in confirmed town glory. I confirmed it for you guys earlier, IF YOU RECALL. How are you confirmed town exactly? All you've asked is take my word for it without actually posting anything relevant at all. :| | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote: This whole game is like that scene from the Princess Bride with Sean Wallace >.> http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:34 Alzadar wrote: Numbers taken straight from the database in this subforum, I just looked them up. They may be inaccurate, but the point wasn't fine precision number of games. Still nothing from Cixah to shake my scum feeling. He's just repeating things Wave said, trying to look constructive while adding nothing. So tentatively... ##Vote: Cixah 40 minute drive home op. I'm role claiming. Innocent Child While this doesn't have really any effect unless you buy into it and let me live until morning That's your call. I find it scummy from quite a few people saying "50% isn't a read" or is wishy washy when you do the EXACT same thing when I ask you that question. My number one read is still Azladar. While wave did mention it first, my reasoning is the same, you have done nothing in this game that proves that you are NOT Scum. Mordek is definitely my number 2, played the game from the side then coming in with the weak reasoning of wishy washy ness + Show Spoiler [segment from Mordek's post] + He read you as 55% scum. To me this is weird as I think you'd either be entirely convinced your town and setting the right environment or entirely convinced you're making some huge epic mafia play and pulling the wool over all our eyes. Seems to tentative. I understand doubts but feels like that and the 51/49 split is also just trying not to stick your neck out. I'm not sure if this is a good read but I will confidently assert it and meet any rebuttals with an open mind. How does 1 early game post like a 50/50 read because the player hasn't posted enough or is giving mixed signals push me enough into Scum for you to Vote? That's my question to you. Number 3 is Ghandi due to how quickly he jumped at the vote and rash "getting the game moving" voting. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Jeff you're hereby ignored until you post something of substance. Except for voting posts that is, and while you're not my #1 priority at this point, keep testing me. 6ah, I'm tempted to /facepalm at that claim because it really doesn't do us a whole lot of good at this point, and makes rolesniping a little easier for scum. I mean unless you really thought you were getting lynched today (not even 24h in..?) It makes it easier for Scum how? I'm actually confused by that from a game play perspective, not from a "WHY DO YOU WANT ME DEAD" perspective. | ||
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On October 12 2014 04:58 Alzadar wrote: Can we talk about this? Given that he's the current lynch candidate, it's either a gambit as Mafia Vigilante/Poisoner to get off his kill or he's telling the truth. I assume, Cixah, that you'll have this confirmed for day 2? I think we can be sure there aren't TWO innocent children, so I'm willing to believe Cixah on this unless someone else comes forward as Innoncent Child. Of course, there could be no Child at all and we'd be letting Cixah bluff his way into blowing one of our brains out. I will 100% confirm this on Day 2 should I survive the night. | ||
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 . I've watch enough voice mafia to have my head say 'You probably shouldn't do this.' but I didn't feel safe with how hard and fast that bandwagon came at me. It still doesn't sit right with me how fast those 3 votes came out of the gate against me. Curious though, What made You (Soniv) and Wave think I wasn't getting lynch D1? | ||
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On October 12 2014 05:42 Lord Tolkien wrote: They aren't, but I hate them. srs Also 6ah, it was a super early claim. We haven't even broken 24hrs yet, and like 90% of TL mafia is played in the last 3 hours of the day. I will be asleep for that. Legit hope I don't just die then. | ||
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I have another post comming, forgot to to that last night before bed. | ||
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On October 13 2014 04:15 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll be back before EOD, but pls, if you are town MoonBear. Dont be the squirrel. This brings a whole new level on insight to your play. | ||
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No patience. I had things to do today. Most of the reasoning that the majority of the people have come to seems slightly influenced by wave or alaric in some way. Which is fine unless we don't actually get a good lynch after tonight. My reads right now. Soniv is majority town. His lurkyness right now is still mostly in the favor of town when it comes to who has pressed who. I'd like to see more of his opinion on Alaric and Wave's position, preferably before the lynch in 3 hrs. Wave is town. He's being augmentative but only because he's digging for more information. Assuming he doesn't die tonight, we'll have a decent idea of what's to come for d2. Moonbear and Tolkin seem the most scummy to me right now. Moonbear's posts have been analyzed and I really have nothing new to add to them other than I think the lynch on him is probably not tonight. I would feel more comfortable if we had a vigi shot or something similar for him, but that's really not my call. Tolkin's posts have been sporatically themed with a very heavy dose of "Cause Dissension at every Turn". His rabid unwillingness to answer any sort of questions in reguards to reads, why he's voting Bandwagon, and never moving any town facing conversation forward. Comadose hasn't said anything, but if he makes it to day 2 I think he'll make more of an appearance. For now I'm willing to lean on neutral because he legit has 1 page worth of filter. Post more. I need to know how you feel in this game, Specifically about Wave, Soniv, Tolkin, and Asmo. Ketchep leans town for me. I'm not convinced he's The Towniest Town in Town, but he's moving in that direction. Asmo is town. Azladar is Null for me. I'm still unsure how to read his, mordek, jeff's REALLY early bandwagon but it doesn't sit well at all with me. For now those 3 or neutral. Req is leans town but is playing like a wounded sheep. Req how do you feel about Azladar, Mordek and Jeff? I'm still holding my vote for now, but most likely it will be used on Moonbear. I'm not convinced outside of last second heroics that you're not scum. Either that or you're just playing with a giant veil over your words because you want people to read way to deep into your posts and find nothing. | ||
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I guess this is how this is going to down? I don't like the lynch based on what i've seen, I even think Ghandi is still the better pick even if he claimed vanilla town. I don't buy that claim either TBH, We'll have to wait and see after the night. What's happening with coma then? | ||
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Not sure if the bold matters or not but here. | ||
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There is still the posibility that both are scum, but it's not likely as someone has stated before. Atleast I remember reading it I'm not sure who said it. I'm going to sleep on it for now, I'll have a better look come morning. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:29 Requizen wrote: Maybe it's just early for a lot of people, but this thread should not be this dead during the night. Town needs to be discussing the action for the next day and posting discussion about yesterday's failed lynching. I have a large post coming soon, don't make me double. Here's what I've been thinking, I have two major possibilities that I believe in, One where either Soniv or Wave are scum. This make sense if you read more about their play on the moonbear lynch. Wave is the only one of the two that mentioned the possibility Moonbear turning up blue, which he did not, which shows a more town facing role in trying to get the lynch away from moonbear. Soniv however, expressed thoroughly that he thought moonbear would flip red which shows an agressive town approach in trying to hunt and get the right lynch on D1. Both of them come to the same agreement, which while wrong on the town facing side, both write it off as "acceptable" losses due to how Moonbear "played" or acted. At the moment they both seem to have conflicting points of view while also not really drawing any hate for the actions at one another. This could also just be a rouse and BOTH could be Scum due to the following point, Wave early in his posting, mentions his "Pre Game" strategy with Soniv in TS. I may be completely in the wrong for thinking this, but that phrase doesn't sit right with me in game with so much information being gleamed from every word. I Part of me thinks this was just the decided code on how they can mention the quickthread, but that's really loose reasoning. Most likely Paranoid, but it felt like something worth bringing up on N1. With Moonbear actually turning up VT, we can't really glean any useful information as most of his posts don't really go anywhere. Either circular or just nothing in them. I don't really feel like giving any other reads right now due to night kills likely being decided. I don't think I'm on it? But if Scum has a poisoner I could see me being the target. | ||
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On October 14 2014 04:41 Requizen wrote: This is a good post. I agree with many of these deductions. The biggest point in the context of this post is clearly Cixah. I hadn't paid much attention to how he posted into his vote, but in this light, if he doesn't flip IC, he's immediately suspicious. You don't go with your #2 to kill someone you're not sure of. My reasoning for the vote of moonbear was strictly due to time. I couldn't come up with a case strong enough to convince myself at the time that Ghandi was a better lynch. I may have counted wrong but I was fairly certain that Moonbear had 5 at the time to Ghandi's three. If I couldn't convince myself that it was a better lynch what chance did I have of convincing anyone else? I will flip green tomorrow. I do not want protection for tonight, nor do I think it's a good idea. If there is anyone in the thread that probably should have it would be Alaric, Asmo, or Wave. This game is akward, every time I ask myself who I think Scum is I get 5 potential different answers and Non of them have over lapping people with exception to maybe ghandi, but even then that plays on if you think he's just posting like a jackass or if he's trying to just distract and save face at the moment. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote: yo i forgot to do this publicly at game start: Mafia have 1 factional Killing Power per night. party on Can I get a little bit of insight on what this means? It helps math. | ||
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I'll post what I can tomorrow. I'll be in meetings most of the morning, but I've got a treat of an idea. | ||
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Here is what I think happened at night. 1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2. 2) I think the Vigi shot LT. The posts at he posts at the start if day 2 give me that feeling based in the remorseful ness of a few players. 3) I think the scum used their shot in Alaric in hopes of the protect not being there. 4) Cop checked soniv or ghandi. We'll have to wait and see but one of these two turned up red. After all that, Coma, owb and Alaric need to post and they need to post now. | ||
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Ketchup's roleblock claim is odd. I'm not going into speculating roles, but I still think the Scum don't have a role block and Ketchup's RB on him was likely due to a town using his power at night. I'll have to go back and check fliters, but that seems the most likely to me. This is because it makes too much sense for the RB, assuming scum had one, to be on me for the easiest Mislynch NA. Requizen, your post pattern feels weird. You've gone from wounded sheep to a toothless blood hound barking at at the wind. I'm unsure what to think yet, but there is still some merit to your Scum read IMO. I really need alaric to post. It's going on too long at this point for me to not think something is up there. Questions for today: Soniv, Red or Not? (this is for everyone). Wave, Why did you move from Ghandi? Asmo, Talk to me about Req and OWB. I get your feeling on Soniv, it makes sense in one of my scenarios but I need to know more about the others. Who are Scum #2 and #3? | ||
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I'm not sure yet. I really want Soniv to say almost anything at all, Alaric too. Way too many people being silent and not actually being in here. It is stupid oclock in the morning so i'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. My idea on the RB not being used on me is more than likely scum not knowning that they could. Leads me to think that 1) there aren't any vets on Scum or 2) I'm being baited hard. Soniv feels red, especially of late, but I need a post from him to confirm it. | ||
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There is an AWFUL lot of red posting in this thread for me. Everyone has something that makes them red to me. While that's obviously not possible, there seems to be no one consistent in who their list is. | ||
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On October 14 2014 23:58 Requizen wrote: I have no opinions on Soniv. Too late in the day for that Req. You need an opinion and you need one now. | ||
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Soniv is pushing heavy to get everything off him, which is good. However everything said by him does nothing but deflect attention for me. If Req is really your scum read soniv, What Committal opinon do you have on Req? Req isn't helping matters but I still have no reason to distrust him yet. I Like his position less and less especially over the last 4 hours but he's still town to me. Req, you need to find something to you can stand on, and soon otherwise I think you swing soon. | ||
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On October 15 2014 02:59 jcarlsoniv wrote: I don't quite know what you're asking here. Could you clarify? You keep stating that he's deflecting the question that has him pinned on Scum. Which question are you refering to and How does NOT answering it or giving a STRAIGHT answer make him scum? | ||
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On October 15 2014 03:08 onlywonderboy wrote: ketchup vote was still a shitty play. Revenge voting doesn't really help town. It was distracting, but I'm glad you at least dropped the vote now. You that willing to commit to a Wave vote? I've been pretty vocal that I think Wave is town, but I wonder what other people have to say since he's been away for a while, wonder if people's opinions have changed. This is the most sketchy post I've seen you make in this whole thread OWB, which while not many your stuff has some substance to it. Why are you campaigning for a Wave vote now when he hasn't even be brought to the table in 2 pages? | ||
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Our lynch today from my perspective feels like we glean the most from Ghandi, Soniv doesn't feel right here to me. We need a lynch on scum today and I feel like Ghandi is the best still, even close to 24 hours later. Ketchup and Alza, You two have been a little quiet today for my tastes. Not the worst thing in the world, but I need to know your opinions here. You have the gun in your hand right now, are you killing Soniv, Ghandi, or Req. Ignore any other out lying factors. | ||
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##Vote GhandiEAGLE Ghandi has STILL over the course of this entire day done nothing but deflect his would be lynching while jumping onto Soniv's train which is already populated by the majorty of the thread. What you guys have to do is convince me why I should vote Soniv, because after his exchange with Wave in this page I'm not feeling it. Both of these guys (Soniv and Jeff) have done nothing but try to save their own hide. Give me game insight out of the two of you or this is going to Lynch one and then the other for me in the morning. The rest of the thread. Convince me I'm wrong. I'm going to bed late again because of this thread. Completely ruining my sleep schedule for this crap . | ||
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I want your reads on Alzadar. | ||
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On October 16 2014 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I thought of something completely at random. Out of everyone here, who has been the most politician-y? Off the top of your head. My thoughts immediately turn back to Asmo. I want my top 3 to be right so badly and I think if they're not then I'm completely lost. I called Asmo out for Campaigning for votes earlier too. | ||
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Town, I'd like to vote for Ghandi please. It would make me sleep alittle safer tonight if we did. | ||
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If you claim roleblocked you realize what will happen right? | ||
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I really don't like it. | ||
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On October 16 2014 07:19 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm feeling particularly weak right now. You guys are free to yell at me really loudly for this, but anybody wanna switch to Coma? Give me 2 good reasons why. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote ComaDose | ||
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I may just be debbie downing here but this whole deal feels too fast. Too many vote changes to NOT be manipulated by scum, atleast for my tastes. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote Alzadar | ||
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My scum read was super apparent in day 1 where you led the bandwagon against a complete noob player. Not only did you IMMEDIATELY jump off it once I claimed IC, you were the next person in your group to bandwagon onto MB and LT. During the night that night you still call into question all of the plays and reads I've been making through the night which is fine as I had not yet confirmed. However, come time for the reveal you never ONCE even refer to the post I make regarding the role situation, which is EXACTLY what I wanted. There is no way in hell a scum is going to go anywhere near that post out of chance that they give more information to town or draw attention to their selves. For me that post Confirmed Ketchup and Wave. Come day 2 any read I make, or any post I make that asks for your input on Ghandi, Wave or Ketchup you ignored. Top it off with the cocky post here at the end and you can practically tie your own noose. | ||
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I don't know if I buy it though and were way to fucking close to the god damn timer. | ||
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On October 16 2014 08:51 ketchup wrote: So the scum vigi shot hit either tolkien or Wave? So scum vigi decided to use his 1 shot on first day instead of waiting for blue claims? Come on dudes. There's no way this medic claim is real. I think were in the same boat. I guess we'll find out in 7 minutes. My vote is staying. | ||
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This puzzle is too stupid. Put your votes in and lets sit. Sorry coma if you're green. | ||
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##Vote No-lynch | ||
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Nope. Not now. This game has been manipulated by too many parties. You guys hang yourselves. I'll see what happens during the night. | ||
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Soniv and Wave pulled some mega shady shit at the end there. Especially with the confirm from lack of "protect" call on wave. I'll be reading but I'm going to take a break and just relax. We'll know in 24 hours what's going on. | ||
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I'm concerned about the lack of posting of recent, though I suppose that's mostly due to everyone wanting to take a break after the 60 page day 2. I think this is the correct red read, but it's unlikely if the last red is Ghandi, Alaric, Wave, or Alza to me. | ||
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##vote: Asmodeus Because bold matters. | ||
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if anything I'm more skeptical of Alzadar (Who's claim I still don't buy.) and wave who's led every vote change and lynch since this thread started. Even if you blame it on poor town play you can' admit it's not suspect. | ||
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You're either 1) makeing such crap reads that the scum have decided that you don't need to be gotten rid of during the night, or 2) you are scum. That's really the only logical outcome from how this is played out. Alzadar likely feels safe too because of how heavy you're willing to believe in his claim. Add on to the fact that your only reads are on to the people that I have town on. Plus with OWB likely getting poisoned in the night last night, and his vote patterns in coordination with how the beginning of the game played out for Alza and OWB. Scum this game are/were Alza, OWB, and Wave. ##unvote | ||
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All you've done is throw your hands up in the air every time someone slightly calls into question your already questionable reads. IF you really are VT then why are you so defensive when your reads suggest otherwise? We'll know tonight once Asm flips I guess. Alza who are your top 3 protects tonight? | ||
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On October 19 2014 09:00 WaveofShadow wrote: All I've done this game is 'something.' I have 25 fucking pages of it, you have 4. I'm officially done with this game. Win or lose without me. You want people to play the game and I'm giving you my most concrete answer. Not playing the game really doesn't help town, nor your standing with me. We have an hour. Relax and go study like you want to anyway. We'll be here and able to take care of the night plays during tomorrow. | ||
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Sorry i made you mad wave. Mafia is akward on a forum. Voice might be better. | ||
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