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On September 25 2014 08:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Hapa how many games have you played with MM? None. I have come across his play in readthroughs, hence I know he has a reputation for being an early lynch target. Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:20 kushm4sta wrote:
so hapa, your case on mm1 is
he uses "i dont like" to call things scummy? Not really. He just seems to be indiscriminately calling things scummy. I don't care what language he uses to do it, it's just the fact that he's continuously posting these quips with the bare minimum of rationale, and with whatever the thread sentiment currently is at the moment.
this is a good point i dont know why you didn't write that in your actual case.
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I got that from his case
kushplz
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I should have. I just write too fast and forget to put certain things in my cases. Regardless, I can usually fix the error with responses.
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however i would counterpoint with
1 bare minimum rationale - easy not scummy
2 follows thread sentiment - giving opinions on thread sentiment isn't scummy. being disconnected i think is more scummy.
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Just got to a comp i'll go on and paste my notes that i put up this morning to oats (about dp)
Yea, at the start he just skims the thread and votes with what could be seen as something that could become popular in the thread since CR basically said he would help mafia. DP when confronted instantly voted off.
When it comes to hapa he gave himself an out of his scum read on him by saying it was basically outdated meta, its a decent scum tell to give yourself such an easy out at that point if hes played with him so much. And he misrepresents the meta and comes to geript with a chainsaw in hand basically. Even though hes so sure that hapa is scum, he refuses to vote on him or push his lynch today even though most of his filter IS HAPA IS SCUM. Its noncommital with the appearance of looking good.
He said he would be willing to lynch a third party if another better lynch could not be obtained. If you look at the OP there is only 1 3p in this game. Which at this point if nobody has CC'd or claimed third party we can be safe to assume that CR is the only one. So he should be off the table, and lynching into the unknown with a chance to hit mafia is better than lynching a known. (wasteing a lynch is never good in my book)
He isn't pushing anything but hapa is scum, and he'll let that ride till tomorrow so that he can try to get him lynched tomorrow (if hes not shitting towny rainbows). Hes throwing doubt on a few people and giving a little pressure on geript at this point which looks and feels more like show than anything.
Added a few things in the ().
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first day of school and running around to get into classes leads to being disconected
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On September 25 2014 08:40 kushm4sta wrote:
however i would counterpoint with
1 bare minimum rationale - easy not scummy
2 follows thread sentiment - giving opinions on thread sentiment isn't scummy. being disconnected i think is more scummy.
Everything can be counter-pointed this early in the game kush. We just have to decide how plausible something is or not.
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lets all ignore my postings...
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On September 25 2014 08:42 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
lets all ignore my postings...
Well I'm less interested in hearing you justify yourself than hearing your non-VE reads.
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i got 30 minutes for you hapa, what do you want?
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Who do you think is mafia other than VE? Who are you strongly reading as town? I don't care much about the stuff in the middle.
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On September 25 2014 08:36 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On September 25 2014 08:16 geript wrote:
Hapa, how in the fuck do you have a townread on Abuse. I don't see any player even Marv having any realistic sensible read on Abuse. You've quite literally been shield him all fucking game long. Explain how in the fuck he's town or we definitely are lynching you. I can elaborate. But first you need to answer how the fuck you have a town-read on MM1 First off, my townread on MM1 isn't terribly strong. It's mostly based off of him posting things in the QT between when I was asleep and when I woke up that pretty heavily mirrored where I was at in general without me posting those thoughts anywhere.
You can understand why this is very unsatisfying to the rest of us, no?
As for abuse, I just generally like the tone of his posting. He sounds enthusiastic, is fairly attentive to the thread (I like how he pointed out your "read" of MM).
When you jumped on him, he seemed pretty calm and reasonable about the whole thing, which I liked alot coming out of a not-so-experienced player:
On September 25 2014 03:38 abuse wrote:
I mean the way he posts mainly. Also, I don't doubt his push is serious, though I do not really agree with it, because I do not see hapa being scummy.
for me, right now, vayne is scummy.
I am not done with my analysis yet though.
geript - explain why my entry makes you happy to lynch me?
Seems a bit fake, considering even what you are saying about VE right now is complimenting what I said about him in my entry post.
Promethelax, are you honestly thinking that just asking about masons is enough to be painted as town? Do you really think that kush did not read the OP of the game he signed up for? If we assume he did, would you say that these words would most likely come from a scum kush or a townie kush?
Certainly not the strongest town-read ever, but at the same time, I'm not lynching him today. No way.
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No hapa, you actually have to explain the Abuse read or I'm lynching you. You're a good enough player that you shouldn't be misreading me at this point. You definitely can't think I'm actually with VE either; that's a big bunch of bullshit. You passing over Oats/Damdred is pretty telling too; neither of them are obviously town. Explain your bullshit now or die.
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Um... I just explained it?
Also, how did I pass on Oats/Damdred? I find Damdred null. I find Oats town for reasons that I mentioned. I don't think it gets much clearer.
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strongly reading as town
grack
Geript
Yamamoto
CR( Even though he is 99% 3rd party) i wouldn't lynch him
mafia worlds
VE (Alone) oats/damdred, oats play soo far has reminded me of when we played together in cell, Also not a fan of damdred who makes the case with oats in the morning and doesn't seem to re-evaluate whats happened throughout the day.
I don't know how much the other people are using the QT, but geript and i have only posted like 2-3 times each, and it seems that the general trend of town players is to discuss stuff in thread, and not so readily with their partners who could be mafia.
I could also see a world that you are scum, This is coming from a world that VE flips mafia where you bus your partner. for town cred, however i dont see this a very likely world though.
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On September 25 2014 08:52 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
strongly reading as town
grack
Geript
Yamamoto
CR( Even though he is 99% 3rd party) i wouldn't lynch him
mafia worlds
VE (Alone) oats/damdred, oats play soo far has reminded me of when we played together in cell, Also not a fan of damdred who makes the case with oats in the morning and doesn't seem to re-evaluate whats happened throughout the day.
I don't know how much the other people are using the QT, but geript and i have only posted like 2-3 times each, and it seems that the general trend of town players is to discuss stuff in thread, and not so readily with their partners who could be mafia.
I could also see a world that you are scum, This is coming from a world that VE flips mafia where you bus your partner. for town cred, however i dont see this a very likely world though.
Im curious what should of changed about how i felt about my case through the day?
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And i'm quite tired of Geript just throwing me and Oats out there their are plenty of other pairings that aren't clearly TOWN, so yea. Either explain or die Geript, like i've asked you to for like 50 billion times.
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On September 25 2014 08:52 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
oats/damdred, oats play soo far has reminded me of when we played together in cell, Also not a fan of damdred who makes the case with oats in the morning and doesn't seem to re-evaluate whats happened throughout the day.
Can you elaborate on this?
If Oats' play reminds you of his play in Cell III, in what ways does it do so? Describe Oats' mafia play in Cell III.
As for Damdred, what makes you think that he hasn't re-evaluated? Also, why is failure to change reads a scumtell?
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On September 25 2014 08:50 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 08:36 geript wrote:On September 25 2014 08:17 Hapahauli wrote:On September 25 2014 08:16 geript wrote:
Hapa, how in the fuck do you have a townread on Abuse. I don't see any player even Marv having any realistic sensible read on Abuse. You've quite literally been shield him all fucking game long. Explain how in the fuck he's town or we definitely are lynching you. I can elaborate. But first you need to answer how the fuck you have a town-read on MM1 First off, my townread on MM1 isn't terribly strong. It's mostly based off of him posting things in the QT between when I was asleep and when I woke up that pretty heavily mirrored where I was at in general without me posting those thoughts anywhere. You can understand why this is very unsatisfying to the rest of us, no?
Yah, and it's why it's only a soft townread for me. Besides, I want to lynch into the double mafia pair. That combination makes me happy to both 1. not want to lynch MM1 today and 2. be fine looking at him more seriously later on. I highly doubt my read will change, but it's possible. But he brought up some interesting points on VE in QT and I'm fine. I actually want him to post more here because I'm the type of player that doesn't argue well and is rather vulnerable to QT manipulation (see GMarsh's last game where I replaced to be a mason with Vayne/VE/deadguy).
As for abuse, I just generally like the tone of his posting. He sounds enthusiastic, is fairly attentive to the thread (I like how he pointed out your "read" of MM). When you jumped on him, he seemed pretty calm and reasonable about the whole thing, which I liked alot coming out of a not-so-experienced player: Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 03:38 abuse wrote:
I mean the way he posts mainly. Also, I don't doubt his push is serious, though I do not really agree with it, because I do not see hapa being scummy.
for me, right now, vayne is scummy.
I am not done with my analysis yet though.
geript - explain why my entry makes you happy to lynch me?
Seems a bit fake, considering even what you are saying about VE right now is complimenting what I said about him in my entry post.
Promethelax, are you honestly thinking that just asking about masons is enough to be painted as town? Do you really think that kush did not read the OP of the game he signed up for? If we assume he did, would you say that these words would most likely come from a scum kush or a townie kush? Certainly not the strongest town-read ever, but at the same time, I'm not lynching him today. No way.
No. Like what Abuse said about VE was complete and utter trash and nothing similar to what I actually said about him. I've played with VE enough to be able to read him ok-ishly in the least (except in video where he's always mafia). What Abuse said:
On September 25 2014 03:09 abuse wrote:
VE seems trolly, but from what I've seen in another game I read up on, he did this then too, and was town aligned. Have him as null for now, though I'd prefer a more serious tone in games, because I think being trolly all the time makes you hard to read which is anti town.
What I said:
On September 25 2014 03:26 geript wrote:
I want to play devil's advocate for a second. Before going to bed I was really gung-ho about VE being mafia. Specifically, my experience with townVE is that when he's trolly and active (which I'm super happy to see again btw) there's an underscore of "I will motherf'ing lynch you bish" to it. Something that I specifically noticed was lacking earlier. More damning though IMO was his accusation. Specifically, when VE is mafia (perhaps I should say when VE used to be mafia) he often tried to turn people's pushes back on themselves. He tried to pull it in Boardwalk and definitely did it
These are not similar. Abuse's comment is exceptionally generic. He doesn't even take any stance on VE. It's "VE is trolling a bunch. I've seen it in a game previous when VE was town aligned. He's null because trolling all the time makes you hard to read."
Second, you giving out tone reads is a huge warning sign for me. Even if you are trying to work on it, at least three times (abuse, VE and Me) you've created reads at least partially based on tone and in no way based on fact, logic or reason. If this is your town play it's ridiculous. You're better than this if you're town. Quite frankly, right now I'm pretty sure that I ended up on the wrong side of VE/Hapa/DP.
##unvote
##vote Hapahauli
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yo grack check in our scumqt
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