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glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet. If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night. Of course any other PR's should not claim. Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:39 Superbia wrote: We don't claim PRs here. We also don't claim whether you got blocked or whatever. I'll find some scum after ESL is done. that we most definitely do claim. | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote: I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. | ||
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On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote: Wow. That answer. Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. | ||
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On October 10 2014 15:50 Breshke wrote: Abuse did you even read my post that was in response to yours? nope not yet, i woke up a bit ago and am at work now, I'll read the long posts later and post what I think about them | ||
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On October 10 2014 16:34 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm not sure what I make of someone who hasn't even read how the game works by Day 2 clarify? | ||
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On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote: the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched. what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles. Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:17 Breshke wrote: False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to. True, but if scum has a roleblocker he was not sucking on a thumb tonight, so if scum aren't dumb they should have som ideas as to what the setup is already. Also we are only talking about a Vet who if exists, most likely does not have a vest anymore. I am confused by your statement about PR's sorting themselves out when they decide to, because at no point did we say that other PR's had to do anything at this point, and people doing stuff when they decide to themselves is what I've been pushing for this entire time. Why are you trying to make it sound like I did the opposite? | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote: + Show Spoiler + Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again. First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion. You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there? When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you. About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here. Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.) 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:54 Fecalfeast wrote: At the time of posting I thought you assumed it had to be a vigilante but Do you really think mafia gets told why their target wasn't killed? That gives them so much information, they know their own setup so if they shoot someone and get back "He was vig so he didn't die" they know exactly which setup it is. ie if mafia has a roleblocker they know there is a jk and if they don't they know there's a tracker. Correct me if I'm wrong but that sounds ridiculous. Vet = 1shot bulletproof not vigilante. Mafia should not be told why their target wasn't killed, but it can be deducted by analyzing the game. Mafia do have more information about the setup than we do though. Obviously except for the town PR's, because they have a better idea even than mafia do. A vet's claim would put everyone on the same page( VT's will know as much as PR's do currently, and the more important PR will know for sure which setup it is, while scum will still not be completely sure, because a vet can be in a setup with both a JK and a tracker. Basically it will give vanillas as much information about the game as mafia, while giving town 1 person who knows everything about the setup. That is basically why I think that a vet claiming is a good idea but only IF they were shot tonight. Plus there's the wildcard that mafia could fakeclaim vet, which could be fun, since we'd have some people here who would know for a fact that they would be lying. | ||
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On October 10 2014 17:57 Fecalfeast wrote: You think someone who is being pressured by multiple people isn't going to defend himself? What do you think of my conspiracy theory regarding breshke and does it fit at all with your current read of him? I am having a hard time understanding your posts D: a person being pressured by multiple people is going to defend himself, the difference is how you defend yourself and do you try to hunt scum while you defend. Breshke did hunt scum and he caught a pretty good detail which I for one did not notice. can you please link the conspiracy theory? | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote: @abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately. Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:54 Breshke wrote: I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to. You are lying. I never said I think scum knows what the setup is, I think that with the extra information they have of their roles, they most likely should be able to figure it out. I never hinted at that. And I NEVER said I had an idea who a power role is. This post is enough to get me over my doubts about your good note on elvis really. ##Vote : Breshke P.S. as for this thingie you posted: On October 10 2014 18:29 Breshke wrote: It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do. From my first megapost's paragraph about you : Final thoughts on Breshke: The problem here is that we only have 2 scum. And he has made a very questionable flip on loaf, AND he defends Zen for no real reason. If there were 3 scum in the game, I would say that this game is solved already. But there are only 2.. Either way, I do not feel that the actions he made are towny. Currently - Scum read on Breshke. Zen is confirmed town now, so only 2 remain. your current posts don't help either. I could honestly point out more tells, for example, you just said that loaf was not scum hunting after all, so there goes your reason for thinking he is town or townie. Yet you still saw him Town then (and now you say you only saw him more townie). The fact that I am not making cases on anyone else at the very beginning of Day2 does not mean that I am not looking for scummy behavior from everyone meanwhile. I do think there is more than enough evidency to prove that you are scum at this point. | ||
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On October 10 2014 18:07 Fecalfeast wrote: Sorry, I blame the marijuana. I totally mistyped vig instead of vet. No vig this game... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/466626-newbie-mini-mafia-lix?page=23#448 I can agree with that reasoning. I still think breshke looks scummy. I wouldn't go and say that it was a conspiracy but the things you pointed out do make sense aswell. It does fit my read as I also read him as scum at this point. You just interpret his posts a little differently from your angle and that's okay. | ||
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On October 10 2014 19:46 Breshke wrote: Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are. Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town. So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then? Because scum have more information on their end, because they know what roles they are, so they know more what signs they should be looking for. And no it is not like I am trying to scare the PR's into outing, where the fuck did you get that idea? I am EXPLICITLY saying in pretty much all of my posts that other PR's should not out right now under any circumstances. This is precisely the reason why I am voting you now. You are making stuff up, while trying to paint me black. Currently there is no way in hell I am going to consider elvis a bigger scum than you. He did say that Zen was town before he was flipped, but as he himself explained, it IS possible that he just assumed that while trying to figure out what you as scum were thinking. Every single one of your latest posts just paints you more and more as scum. | ||
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On October 10 2014 20:29 Breshke wrote: I disagree, i think that especially on D1 even if you can get a PR read on someone it is extremely hard to tell what PR they are so i don't see why you have any reason to say that you think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. Why mention this at all if not to scare town. I'm not making anything up, im not even reading you as mafia at the moment you are null for me i have no idea what you are doing but I really don't think both mafia would be the two main people to push on me because if i getting lynched i WILL flip town and it its going to look terrible for you two. Why would he assume that at all then? This makes no sense if he assumed he was town in a read on my why is he in his scum. why is that scenario even going through his head. Abuse I know for a fact that at least 2 of your 3 scum reads this game are wrong and i don't know if this is because you are mafia or confused town. Get out of your tunnel for a second and assume i am town or just take me out of this game completely. Who would be your scum reads? You can disagree but you are wrong in doing so. The fact that you would not be able to find a PR in that situation does not mean that nobody can. I also did not say that I think that mafia probably knows who PRs are. I said that they probably could if they knew the setup. And drop your bullshit where you keep saying that I am doing this to scare town. You are making stuff up and are trying to present what I am doing in a scummy light. What I am doing now is answering to bs accusations and I don't even know why am I doing so. I don't even know how to read the bolded part. Much less understand what you mean by it. I don't have any other scum reads at the moment who I would be confident enough to post about. This is only the beginning of Day2 in which many people have not said anything worth while yet. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: No, revealing that information early is ONLY good for scum. Why are you claiming that me voting for you is voting for town? Do you think you're considered confirmed town or something? You're one of 4 who lynched a town on d1. this is your 2nd post during your 3 posts in D2 (i think) which is trying to force the bolded argument on me. Why are you doing this, because it makes you seem incredibly scummy. I don't think i'm confirmed town. I am claiming that you voting for me is voting for town because I know I am town. Also, it is not ONLY good for scum. also, On October 11 2014 08:06 Rad wrote: Breshke - do you agree with this statement "The two people arguing are probably town, look to the people watching"? this post and question is utterly useless. Why are you asking this question and why are you asking this to breshke specifically? Your rage was towny because you were correct in your argument against me, and you showed a kind of "passion" that is rarely shown by scum pretending to be town. You do seem like you are frustrated a lot lately, which kind of makes me think that you are either arrogant or have played enough games to not belong in this newbie game. P.S. your vote on fecalfeast at the moment really is complete BS. I did not understand your push on FF at the beginning of the game, and now, when FF is so townie it makes me want to puke rainbows during D2, I do not understand your vote on FF at all. I also do not like how superbia is playing currently. Lots of questions directed at FF, asking what he thinks about every person in the game (only 1 person per post though.) Superbia is kind of in the thread, but does not really do anything worth while. Keeps saying "I will find scum tomorrow" "I will lynch scum tomorrow." .. end of day2 is TODAY. being completely away from the game for the 24h of N1 and for more than 24h of D2 just giving promises about playing later piss me off. Also, has not given real input that would be worth noting about anyone in the game except zen man, who got lynched D1, My current list is(hello Rad.): Town: FF Leantown: Elvis null: Rad (coinflip with a bigger chance of being town) loaf (coinflip with a bigger chance of being scum) Leanscum: Breshke (mr scummy post) Superbia (mr scummy play) ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Superbia Discuss. Also, since D2 is comming to an end - Everyone spill what you think about everyone(no, just a list will not do). Now. less than 9 hours left. | ||
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On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: super has the biggest filter, which means nothing. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: the most content Really? Because except for his case on Zen, I see ZERO actual content fro him. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: and had a super good day 1. It was not a super good day1 for anyone because the only decent case around was a case on a townie and now we are left in shambles with nothing decent to go by. On October 11 2014 15:08 Fecalfeast wrote: Night 1 and day 2 have been much slower for everyone though so i can't really fault him for that. I want you to read his filter for everything he has said after D1 and I want you to notice that his "filter" after that is not that small. And then I want you to read what he has actually said so far and I want you to tell me how has anything AT ALL from it helped town or even went into that direction. | ||
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I said that post was scummy. im going to need more than "i think rad is scum here, read his filter" to persuade me that he is scum in this game. | ||
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