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It looks like you are going to be lynched here and if you are town you want to leave us with as much useful info as you can so start reading people.
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On October 09 2014 05:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Here is a list of what i think of the people here:
Very scummy: Super, Rad
Scummy: FF, loaf
Null: Elvis, Dust, breshke
Townie: Abuse
Reasoning: I agree with what other write about FF, thought i don't have time to write more specifics. The Null people really haven't given me much to go on. Abuse i read as town because of how he really started posting content in a time when basically no one else posted anything of worth. The rest are the same reasonings as my previous posts.
Agree with others who write about FF? So do you mean rad your top scum read or me because i don't think my push was that good so im surprised either way here.
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Town
Loaf
Abuse
Superbia
Leantown
Rad
Null
Elvis
Dusts
Leanscum
Zen
Scum
ff
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In response to abuse's post which can be found here
First of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point.
Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies".
I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up.
On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline. I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: BreshkeHe does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my town Position 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --.  loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above.
I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing.
Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all?
Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that.
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On October 09 2014 07:58 loafery wrote:
just a quick post before I start reading. Is it right in assuming the people that defended zen before his flip lean towards town?
No not really, mafia would know he was town and could easily defend him for easy town points. Also i don't think anyone really defended him.
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On October 09 2014 08:38 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote:In response to abuse's post which can be found hereFirst of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point. Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies". I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up. On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline. I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: BreshkeHe does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my town Position 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --. loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above. I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing. Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all?Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that. I was calling you scum before but this post is making me reconsider. First, though: The bolded section, if I'm reading this correctly, is saying that you looked at the game from a third party view and saw yourself and zen as the most scummy so voted for someone else(me)? Why are you looking at the game from another point of view if you are town? Please let me know if I read that incorrectly.
Sorry i didn't explain that very well.
So elvis says "He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide."
So if you look back i vote Zen after superbia prompting me to do so then fairly soon after change my vote to you FF. Let's pretend i'm Elvis thinking Breshke is mafia. He sees this vote and says he thinks its me jumping on voting on a town. So by this logic he thinks Zen is town. Why didn't he try and stop the lynch why didn't he even mention this anywhere else? Wouldn't the better assumption to come to at that point be that me and Zen were partners and i was getting worried about the vote on him going through. In fact im fairly sure this is what your reaction my change of vote was saying i was getting nervous.
I realize this is probably poorly explained so if you have anymore questions about it feel free to ask.
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Cya elvis but for when you come back could you please show me where i was causing chaos because i don't see it cheers.
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On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
How close to the end of N1? I'd like to be awake for it but deadline is earlyish in the morning for me already.
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On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post.
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On October 09 2014 17:04 abuse wrote:
Also, I didn't say the person who'd call you mafia would get a town read.
I said that the person who said why would get town points. (which are basically nothing.)
Fair enough but that just goes more to the point of why I didn't see why you made that post. Although thinking about it i'd rather if you refrain from giving your read until elvis has fully explained his as i've asked him to do so but he is asleep or busy i don't remember which.
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On October 10 2014 01:30 Elvis! wrote:This might be in the wrong order sometimes, but I gave a comment to everything I find chaotic, disruptive, useless, fitting into everyone, trying to get town cred, not committing to pushes, generally posting low amounts of text per post not doing throughout analysis. All of these for me are scum indicators. Gotta go to training now, thus I don't have time to polish this, I hope it's satisfying. I wanted to get this out now since Breshke for some reason wants people to wait for this. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 09:29 Breshke wrote:On October 08 2014 07:40 loafery wrote:
"This set-up is based off of the Matrix6 setup with added flavor. This is a semi-open set-up meaning that while all of the roles possible will be displayed the number of each role in game is unknown."
for my defense of being noobish I frankly didn't read this part of the OP. My mistake. To be frank, it's my first time playing semi-open or any kind of open setup. It's always been where everyone knows which roles there are and its fixed.
I srsly don't want to bring in external factors to the game and my credibility and what not. If I have to then so be it...
But atm i want to read abuse as scummy for trying so unnaturally hard and tunneling into lynching me. Do you not agree then that people reading you as town just for misreading the OP could be scummy then? Like this is something that could be faked so i don't see how people can get a town read off that. Also in my opinion not trying to answer questions is scummy because it makes it seem like you have something to hide but I understand there been so much focus on you so there's a lot to answer.
I'm uneasy about superbia and ff saying they both basically disagree with the push on loaf but aren't pushing on anyone themselves. Who are you both scum reading? Who do you think should be a wagon for today?
Also my biggest town at the moment is abuse from his hard push on loaf as he was the first one to actively push his reads and doing this as mafia would majorly put the spotlight on him if loaf gets lynched and happens to flip town. Breshke telling people to read scum and start a wagon, while he himself has no reasonable case yet? He had his one on ff, but even though he puts him as scum he doesn't really push for it, doesn't start a wagon, doesn't encourage other to read into ff more, and mostly, is in not commital about it. The thing that concerns me the most is that he votes for someone who noone made a big case of yet and doesn't really analyse ff in a big way either. So if you read him scum, why not be confident, research and make a case out of it? Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 10:44 Breshke wrote:I want to try explain something in defense of Zen but i am not reading him as town he is still null for me at the moment. So he made his wall post about loaf which was basically just sheeping abuse. In my first game im not sure if you remember I basically just sheeped the entire game when I tried to make posts because i was finding it really hard to make content of my own. On October 07 2014 23:12 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 23:00 abuse wrote:On October 07 2014 22:11 Superbia wrote:On October 07 2014 21:04 Breshke wrote:On October 07 2014 20:54 Superbia wrote:
Also abuse & loaf probably both town. Why do you think loaf is town? It's mostly a gut read plus I'm happy with people pushing on him so far, so I'll let you know when it matters. tell me what do you think about this post ? I'm pretty sure all the points he brought up were brought up before. Interested to see what he has to say when he comes back. This post here is probably the reason why zen then pretends that he read through the thread better and only just saw abuses post. Zen don't do this, its hardly ever good to lie as town especially about stuff like this. If you saw abuses post and agreed with it say that. I do agree however that non committal reads are not good because they don't give much information. Care to tell us your thoughts on people in particular superbia and loaf. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man This post has been frequently talked about, what's more confusing than defending a player, and then claiming he's scum for reasons he himself isn't fulfilling? Where's your committal reads? Going on the player everyone is on about without giving much proof or anything isn't committal. Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 15:23 Breshke wrote:On October 08 2014 15:15 Rad wrote:
Breshke, what are your thoughts about Fecalfeast? Are you satisfied with him parking his vote on zen? I'm not actually sure like the interaction between superbia and ff about the vote on zen really seems off to me like superbia can just tell ff what to do. He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. He has posted a lot but has yet to give a scumread of his own and is voting on someone because someone who he has said he doesnt want to be paired with told him to. Looking back on this i think this is very scummy. ##Vote: Fecalfeast Just because two people go on the same person (which you did go on as well) doesn't mean one can "tell the other what to do". How is that relevant? then " He has said he doesnt like to be lumped together with super and then votes along side him without explaining anything. " so did you. I mean ok, if it isn't your style to make big posts, I guess that's not really good for town but fine, but why complain about others who do the same? Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 16:06 Breshke wrote:On October 08 2014 15:28 Rad wrote:Btw:
If you change your vote, please ##Unvote before posting another vote (can be done in the same post).
So are you saying you don't believe zen is scum now? Or you think fecal's trying to bus zen to gain town cred? ##UnvoteVote:Fecalfeast
My vote on Zen was more for pressure and his dislike of non committal reads he has made. I feel that for the quantity of your reads you have provided a very little amount of information and you only voted for Zen after superbia made a case on him. It feels like you are just trying to cruise by.On October 08 2014 15:35 Fecalfeast wrote:You want to know the post that really made me vote him? It was by superbia, even. On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:
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It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time.
No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else.
Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. I am waiting for the man to post and you seriously come to the conclusion that I'm the best lynch target? Are you getting nervous or what? Nervous about what? Why would i be nervous? Why are you so worried about my vote like you quoted On October 08 2014 10:16 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 10:09 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 03:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 03:29 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 02:40 The_Zen_Man wrote:As of now loafey is still highest on my scum list but im not sure if he is just a newbie/bad player or scum. Im gonna see more of his posts before I decide to vote for him or not. For now, i will settle with this.] Mind sharing who else is on your scum list? Right now the list is just loafey, but this is because other people haven't been as active. As ff said, this game is moving too slow, and that is because people haven't been active at all. We still have players that haven't said anything beyond their first day post, which was not that much. @Fecalfeast: I think the reason people have gone after loafrey so hard is because there really isn't that much else to go on. His play has been the most scummy like, and that is probably why everyone is going after him. Right now, i really don't have anyone else in mind at all as scum. If someone does find someone else scummy, please share. Why does this not make you point your FoS (thanks super I was pretending to know what FoS meant) at someone who hopped on the loaf-wagon? "His play is the most scummy-like" As implied by him being the only name on your list. What makes his play scummy like to you? Might I guess that your answer will be 'What abuse said but with less conviction?' On October 08 2014 06:18 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 06:08 Fecalfeast wrote:On October 08 2014 05:06 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:44 Superbia wrote:On October 08 2014 04:36 The_Zen_Man wrote:On October 08 2014 04:19 Rad wrote:
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Isn't that pretty much the only job that town has? To find things that are scummy and pursue them. Any reason you're asking others to do that for you?
You say no one else seems scummy to you, are you suggesting that it's probably loafery or the lurkers that are scum?
Why are you taking the easy route here? It wasn't meant as others doing it for me, rather that others should contribute. Right now there are like 4 people that has only like 3 posts on this thread. I can't really find mafia if i don't have much to go on. I did as much as i could with the info i had at the time. No, im saying that i haven't found anything scummy with the people that have posted other than loafrey. That dosen't mean all mafia are either him or the lurkers, just that i have not found anything suspicious about anyone else. Im not taking any easy route, I have done as much as I can with the given information. You found out that your arguments were already used by others to push loaf. Do you like the people who pushed on loaf for the same reason? Yeah, abuse is probably the one that had most of my arguments already written. I do however not share all of abuses opinions and do believe that he is pushing for loaf too hard. I would for instance not vote on him this early, as it is definetly too early to prove that he is a scum. Better to simply do a FoS, as it will give an indicitation of what you think of the person, but not have all dirt throwback that often comes with voting on someone. What it looks to me like super was really asking is what you think of abuse based on abuse's reads. You say he is pushing a little too hard, why? Mostly it was because of the vote. But i also think that some of his arguments are a little more hardline than mine. I share most of abuses opinions on loaf, but i think the biggest thing we differ on is the whole loaf asking about roles thing. I really think that loaf was merely confused and asking about the rules when he said we all should claim roles, and I believe him when he says it was like that on another game. Your reasoning for differing from abuse's opinion is that you believe he misinterpreted the rules. Nobody is using that fact anymore and the basis of abuse's argument is more on how loaf words his posts, not how he read the OP. I'm still a little gun-shy with voting people like this but you have some things to answer for, zen... Just vote, you can always retract your vote. As above mentioned - just like yours I feel like. If you make a reasonable case on Zen, fine, but you basically just agreed with everyone else and cruised by. Since we now know Zen is town, this makes a lot more sense to do as mafia. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 05:48 Breshke wrote:
It looks like you are going to be lynched here and if you are town you want to leave us with as much useful info as you can so start reading people. He isn't a donkey. This is unnecesarry information, but makes you look like you're doing something. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 06:39 Breshke wrote:In response to abuse's post which can be found hereFirst of all i wrote about the dumbtell again in that post because I wanted people to see my thought process. Probably not that useful but whatever i did it. I then go on and say I am reading loaf town because he actually starts scum hunting and stops talking about previous games. He even has the same mindset as me in going for superbia as he had been not actually pushing on people at this point. Then onto my post about Zen. I feel Zen is more of a newbie like me. You guys are very good at constructing cases on people, I read them and think oh i want to add to this then just end up rearranging the words and posting it not realizing that ive just completely copied your post plus like one little extra argument I've thought of. This is what Zen did and after doing this myself i thought i could try explain it as people were getting worked up about him telling "lies". I also then voted him but that was because as i said he had non committal reads. He basically hadn't given a substantial read on anyone but loaf and even that was iffy. This vote was a placeholder and superbia was pushing for people to jump on his bandwagon so i thought I'd indulge him for a bit and see if he had some play lined up. On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline. I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: BreshkeHe does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.
This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide.Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my town Position 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --. loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above. I agree my posts are generally too short i don't know if this is my play style or what but i probably need to improve that. Yes i don't always use peoples answers to my questions but it lets me see their thought process and tries to keep conversation flowing. Next the bolded section. Are you saying here you know Zen is town? This was posted before the flip and confuses me because the way i voted there if i was a 3rd party i would have probably assumed that i was partners with Zen not he town and myself mafia. You are obviously reading Zen town so why did you not say anything in his defense at all? Also i'm interested to see the quotes of where i inset chaos because i don't think i have been doing that. Same with you. I really don't get you at this point. You love pointing out how people are not doing good cases or analysis and are jumping onto people while your posts rarely exceed a couple of lines and we are yet to see you push someone substantually. Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 16:55 Breshke wrote:On October 09 2014 16:18 abuse wrote:
@FecalFeast, Okay this is good enough for now.
Free townpoints to anyone who says why breshke is scum. (I will post the answer closer to the end of N1).
Also either say why i'm scum or don't. Don't tell people you will read them town if they call me mafia. If i'm mafia i'd have a partner who would get a free town read. I see no reason for this post. ... and everyone else would read you like they should anyways. If a mafia openly reads you mafia this might very well make him slip up because he can not be commital to such a read. I don't think having everyone read a person about his alignment at once is terrible and I don't see how this is "has no reason". Some people are suspicious about you, why wouldn't they ask everyone else how they feel about you? To remind, you did this a couple of times (blindly asking about someone feels about X person).Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 05:31 Breshke wrote:
Just woke up, will respond to abuses posts later like in night phase unless anyone specifically wants it now.
Zen you are about to be lynched you need to leave us with some info who are you reading scum other than superbia as much as rad doesn't like lists a list wold be fine. Why did you post this same thing twice? So by that you are positive that Zen is town, am I right? It would be useless to have a mafia explain how he feels about stuff. So I conclude that you read Zen town, since you didn't vote on him and didn't like the case, why didn't you defend Zen, why didn't you ask for his opinion on other at a time where things could actually be changed? At this point it's too late to save him and vote mafia, if you think his reads are important why not try getting them earlier? In your list it says Zen leans scum, why would you want him to do a read? Show nested quote +On October 09 2014 05:59 Breshke wrote:
Town
Loaf
Abuse
Superbia
Leantown
Rad
Null
Elvis
Dusts
Leanscum
Zen
Scum
ff Then this list. To not rant about all the other things again: Why are there no explanations on any of these? This is a default list for anyone wanting to get town points by ranking the popular persons high.
Your first quote i was of the mindset that loaf was a good push abuse had made a good case and loaf had done nothing towny yet but superbia and ff were reading him town so i asked them who they thought was scum because so far all i had from them was they thought loaf was town because of gut reads.
Your second quote i have already explained so feel free to go back and read it but once again
Your third quote, have you read the thread? Superbia literally told ff to do it and that seemed to spark him into voting He then explained its because he realized he can vote and unvote and it wasn't a big deal voting for someone but still at the time that is what it seemed like to me. Also I never said i was uneasy being lumped together with super, my problem with ff there was he was not happy with it but he was doing things that made it happen anyway
Fourth quote, lets pretend its your first game and you are just happy sitting back like Zen seemed to be How do you kick this person into drive and make them stat playing the game? You stack a bunch of votes up against their name. This is what i was doing and it really didn't seem to work Still Not causing chaos here
Fifth quote, are you serious? Zen literally looked like he had no intention of giving reads and that's terrible. If he is town, thats one town voice gone without giving any input. Even worse if he is scum he doesnt have anything to link him to anyone.
Sixth quote, this is true i should build more cases on people its something im weak at ill happily agree to this. Did you not egt anything else from that post?
7th, you are misunderstanding me here What i thought abuse ment was he would read someone town if they called me scum. IF he is town that was terrible because its jsut a free town read for scum he has since clarified that that is not what he actually ment.
8th, No I had no Idea what zens alignment was unlike you Like ive explained previously getting someones reads before they die is god no matter what alignment they are If he is scum you want to get as much information from him as possible because it's the easiest way to tie him to his partner
9th, Yeah its a shit list i was rushing and you had asked me for one
Let me go on to say that in your first post on me you said i was trying to cause chaos and you would back it up with quotes in nothing you have posted have i been trying to cause chaos So why then did you say this when you literally have nothing to back it up with. Like you yourself had said you read through the various guides and what not that TL has to offer and as scum had to find a what scum normally act like so you could call someone out on it. Causing chaos is one of these things and with people already going on me you thought you would just jump on make the claim i was causing chaos and hope to have no one look at it too closely.
That added with the fact that also in your first post you basically assumed zen was town in one part of your read to call me scum but then had him on your scum list? People jumped all over Zen for so much less than this. You have tried to explain this and it STILL makes no sense to me what so ever.
You are my biggest scum read right now elvis but i will hopefully have more to post about this after filter diving you later.
Also while i've been writing this day post happens so nice work pr's getting a save or a good jail has gotten us another lynch which it looks like we are really going to need.
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Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again.
First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion.
You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there?
When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you.
About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here.
Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.)
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On October 09 2014 05:50 Elvis! wrote:I'm sorry about this short post, but I want it to be able to be discussed before the deadline. I will insert more quotes that support this asap, but due to real life issues I had less time than I thought I would. My current read for the most scummy is: Breshke: ##Vote: BreshkeHe does post an amount which is not suspiciously low, but moslty in a very short manner each time. Even though he asks some questions, there rarely is follow-up, more analysis or just generally use of that information. I see this as a subtle way to try to hide being mafia, shallowly you appear non-mafia, since you can see him posting and gathering some information, but I think what he's doing is more to confuse town than to hunt scum. Which is what we're here for. The only way he "contributes" is with a fishy vote on Zen, which Superbia and the surrounding characters have a decent case on, but Breshke was merely a small time before the vote, defending Zen against accusations. A townie would adress why, and in detail, one should not only follow a bandwagon, insert personal thoughts about the case and support it. He simply jumps on something he as a mafia knows is not mafia, is a good scapegoat and has a decent case against the person.This is the perfect opportunity for him as mafia to strike and hide. Then there is multiple posts which insert chaos, which according to this analysis (yes abuse I too have read this one - it's really good), is exactly mafia's role. To sum it up: How do I think I detected him? He not only does donkey things like loaf, but things that stop us from scumhunting. He jumps on a bandwagon that even though it has a decent background, might be close but not quite(read: a lot of people are getting read as scum at the moment, most people vote on Zen because to them he appears a little more scummy than the rest, but not in a crazy substantial way). my current list: abuse + superbia go the most into scumhunting. I like how they don't fear to be in the spotlight and get their cases forward(!!!). They share position 1 - would not put them in my town circle quite yet, waiting for cases on more people (which they announced already) to happen. Rad is not as intense in doing so as they are, but I don't see scum indicators and few town indicators, so he's on position 3 in my town Position 3 - leans town FecalFeast for me at the moment is null, I can't really say what his actions indicate the most, will look at him in more detail later when the next big thing happens. He does not seem dangerous or disruptive, so he's not a scum read for me. position 4 - null. dusts: -- no position --. loafery for me at the moment is just making a whole bunch of weird actions which might or might not be intended to be disruptive. Since some of his things are more scum-like than town he is Position 5 - leans scum. Zen for me still is the second worst of them all, but for me I think Breshes disruptive and chaotic actions are more clear. He might be the second scum with breshke, since he isn't as obvious as Breshke for me atm I'll not vote for him. Position 6 - leans into scum like a drunk guy on a fit girl. Breshke - see above.
So this is the first post where Elvis mentions Zen and he both calls him town and mafia in one post. I need to emphasize how wrong the bolded section is. According to his list at the bottom he thinks both me and Zen are mafia but in his post on me he uses logic in which Zen is town. How does this make any sense. Also his lake of almost any interaction with zen disturbs me like he didn't want to be associated with what he knew was a miss lynch.
In this post here he wants to emphasize that his main problem with me is that i have been causing chaos. Where? He has come back with some of my quotes(post ) but how are they making chaos? I was asking the person who was going to be lynched what their reads are. How is this bad no matter their alignment we get information and i have explained basically every other single one.
Elvis is grasping at straws, he can't find a reason to scum read someone because he is scum
##Vote:Elvis!
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On October 10 2014 15:27 Elvis! wrote:
So apparently now according to Breshke I'm mafia for no mafia reasons. There solely is town reasons behind my post and through my analysis of Breshke I have enough reason to say why he is not only useless and hiding, but outright disturbing us at scumhunting. Really just read my big post for the reasons.
If Breshke would have read my posts right he would know that there is not contradiction between calling someone very scummy but yet town.
Saying I'm scum for this sole reason, which I explained multiple times already, is pointless, there is no decent analysis at all of my case in his post, it's basically just OMGUS.
This OMGUS defense just further proves how he doesn't have any town motives. If a town thinks someone is mafia, the townie would make a posts with proof of scummy behaviour and thus stir up discussion on the matter.
While everyone can feel free about talking about my alignment, since I've got nothing to hide I think it's pointless and that we're not doing proper scumhunting with this.
Looking forward to everyone else's posts on Breshke and other scum pushes.
Especially from superbia since he said he now has to reevaluate everything and I'm interested in what he'll come up with.
vote me then. I've explained how that still doesn't make sense to me to assume someone is town to call someone else scum and to then call them scum. Also I still don't think you've shown a specific quote where im activly causing chaos and misleading town.
Also i don't think this is a omgus. Yes my vote on you for many reasons concerns your case on me but it isn't a omgus.
Abuse did you even read my post that was in response to yours?
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On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Wow. That answer. On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play.
the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched.
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On October 10 2014 17:09 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Wow. That answer. On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched. what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles. Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point.
False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to.
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On October 10 2014 17:20 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 17:17 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 17:09 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 16:11 Breshke wrote:On October 10 2014 15:58 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 14:51 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Wow. That answer. On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? Your post here is scummy as all hell. It's indecisive in when you would suggest them to claim, why they should claim, and even whether you actually think they should claim. It's open to allow others to tell you it's a bad idea while also baiting a vet claim out. It looks townie while serving no use to town. It says a whole lot of nothing while looking engaged. On October 10 2014 14:22 abuse wrote:On October 10 2014 06:18 Rad wrote:On October 10 2014 06:08 abuse wrote:
so scums shot failed. awesome.
glad to see that we either have a compitent PR or that scum failed and hit a vet.
If a vet was hit, I would suggest claiming it at some point, but it is completely up to you, so don't do it if you don't feel it is a good idea, but chances are high that a vet will just get hit again the next night.
Of course any other PR's should not claim.
Everyone who did not post at the end of N1, please start posting. I'm curious. Let's say you're a vet. Would you claim? don't try to find out if I'm a vet or not pls. find scum not PR's. Now back to this gem. How am I trying to find out if you're a vet and not scum hunting right now? You're not getting over confident being a town read to most people d1 are you? Remember, we lynched a townie and there were 4 of us on him. Because if I say that I would claim as vet and I don't claim that means I'm not the vet. Also that post of mine you tried to quote is not scummy. My stance is clear. I think a vet should claim, because if you have already been hit, then scum already know you're a vet, no reason to not let town know it aswell, as we get a confirmed townie that way, but I am not going to force a vet to claim. It is their game to play. the problem with this is we could have a medic not a vet so then say mafia try and kill the same person tomorrow and we still have our power role. Vet is going to be killed tonight if he claims so isn't it better to only claim if he is going to be lynched. what I say is only based on the situation IF we have a vet. Vet claiming will not really impact how mafia choose their next kill. Scum should already know he's a vet just based on their own roles. Also - what you are saying about him only claiming if he is going to be lynched is not bad. It is also correct. I never said the vet (if we have one) should claim right now. I said at some point. False, vet is in exactly two setups. One has a role blocker one doesn't. I also think that we shouldn't be talking about this because the PRs will sort themselves out when they decide to. True, but if scum has a roleblocker he was not sucking on a thumb tonight, so if scum aren't dumb they should have som ideas as to what the setup is already. Also we are only talking about a Vet who if exists, most likely does not have a vest anymore. I am confused by your statement about PR's sorting themselves out when they decide to, because at no point did we say that other PR's had to do anything at this point, and people doing stuff when they decide to themselves is what I've been pushing for this entire time. Why are you trying to make it sound like I did the opposite?
Sorry i thought you and others made it abundantly clear not to do anything if you were a different PR. it was in no way my intention to make it look like that if i did. I think it is best to just stop talking about this really. I'm interested to see what you have to say about my reply to your post especially about some misconceptions about where you think my vote was at the end of the day.
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On October 10 2014 17:54 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 06:42 Breshke wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Linking the post this time so it isn't a wall again. First of all i did not drop all suspicion of loaf, he started scum hunting so i started reading him townier for it. Like this is actually ridiculous elvis saying I wasn't going on anyone and calling me scummy for it and then for the same posts abuse says im going on loaf and then drop all suspicion. You know why I "defended" Zen? Because this is a newbie game! He did something I in my first game also did and everyone was losing their shit about him not telling the truth. I wanted to shoot that stuff down read him scum but not for that. You say it isn't towny but why? I fully expected him not to be able to explain what was going on there as he wasn't even giving his reads before he died until i asked him twice. Yes i voted him with my very first vote because i wanted him to start playing and not just sit back. Also i have no idea why you emphasized very first vote there? When i voted on ff i actually had no idea that rad had written the fos on him earlier. I don't know if i missed it or forgot about it but there is no way to prove this so it probably wont matter to you. About my list and eys once again it was shit. The town were all equal not in order of most town if they were at the time you would have been top abuse. Also my vote was on ff so i have no idea what you are talking about here. Abuse you asked people to re-evalute but at the end of D1 you had me zen and loaf as scum and nothing seemes to have changed for you after zens flip. In your world the vote on Zen went over with no mafia at all voting on him and one mafia defending him. (I personally don't think i defended him as i was prepared to vote for him because at the time superbia had only one less vote then he did and he was in my town.) 1) where did he start scum hunting and does scumhunting instantly make you a town? Can scum not pretend to scum hunt, especially if it's done so weakly that people (me for example) did not even notice it as scum hunting? Because if you think saying "superbia is scum because he farms others posts to read them later" is scumhunting then you are wrong. 2) Why does it matter if it is a newbie game or not? Your defense was rendered useless when you voted for him in the same post. You say you wanted to read him scum but not for that. Why did you read him scum then? How can you expect him not to be able to explain? Why do you assume such things if you did not know at that point what was zen's skill level? I emphasized the first vote because your first vote was done on someone you had not even mentioned before, yet when you were suspicious of loaf you did not vote for him. 3) why do you find the time to "reread ff's filter and see him scummy" all of a sudden, but not have time to read the previous page of the thread? 4) why was loaf town in your list? Where does the confidence come from. It doesn't matter who is top town who is least town if you think they are town. 5) Nothing much has changed for me after zens flip (at that point at least) was because your actions towards zen were the most suspicious during D1. I have checked every single person in the thread for this. I am not sure loaf is scum, he just seems like the most likely candidate if we consider you being scum. Scum don't have to be on the wagon to lynch a townie if the lynch already has enough support from town. @ fecal, as for your question, basically breshke's post did not persuade me, but I still do not know how I feel about him pointing out the flaw in elvis's post, I think it is a pretty big deal.. :/ elvis did explain it to a decent degree, but it still leaves him as a coinflip.. The fact that breshke did notice that is quite townie of him.. I am not sure if it is townie enough to make him town though.. I need more time and events to clear this out.
Okay he wasn't scum hunting. He started actually playing the game then and i was going to read him townier for it.
I need to make this clear. I was defending one part of Zens play and that was the "lie" he told. It isnt everyones reaction when they do something dumb like that to just come straight out and admit to it. I did agree however with the second part of superbias case on him about non committal reads so i felt voting him to at least pressure him. I then also felt fine taking my vote off him as there was plenty of votes for him so he was going to be pressured anyway and at the time i thought ff was much scummier.
I honestly don't know how i missed that post, i think i was focusing on ff's filter and didn't go back to reread what most other people had said it was bad i shouldn't have posted so hasty.
I was liking him at the time i can't actually remember why but he is still town for me more on that later though.
It just doesnt feel like you have re evaluated at all. I know it doesn't mean your reads have to change but you basically called out me zen and loaf as scum D1 and it feels like you are going to lynch all 3 of us until you lose as scum or win as town. I am seriously so confused about you abuse on one hand i like all the pressure you have been apply. first on loaf then on me but on the other it feels like you are happy to be stagnant with your reads and this is not a town thing to do.
For me to believe that 0 mafia voted on Zen i would have to think that exactly loaf and Elvis are mafia. i believe it is more likly that there is one mafia in the group of four that voted on Zen. I still think superbia is town having starting the wagon and building the biggest case against him. I also don't think ff is necessarily the scum although some of his posts today have been off. This will hopefully become clearer today when more stuff starts happening and superbia rejoins the thread. So i basically have a lean town read on loaf at the moment because i truly believe Elvis is scum and that the other scum lies in the group of four that voted on Zen. This being said i need you to contribute more loaf because i currently feel like a donkey for having a townread on you because you have contributed almost nothing recently.
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On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far. Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point.
I think someones play as a jailer and someones play as a cop would be very similar so i don't know why you keep thinking scum knows exactly what the setup is. I don't get why you keep hinting at it as well like I have no idea who is a power role i don't know why you seem to.
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On October 10 2014 18:33 abuse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2014 18:18 Rad wrote:
@abuse STOP with your insistence that claiming vet would be good here. If some newbie town vet reads your shit and claims just cause you said it's a good idea, I'm voting your ass immediately.
Scum can NOT know what the set up is at the moment. They REQUIRE knowing whether it was a vet or not to know what the setup is. All scum could possibly know that town doesn't is whether or not scum has a roleblocker. That's it. No other information has been revealed to give them any clue as to what the PRs are. Now that I look at the setup better you are right that scum will know what the setup is if they know if there is a vet in the game. Still, do you think giving them that information in exchange for receiving information ourselves is such a bad deal that you would vote a townie for this? Because that's not helping town. Also it's no good assuming that scum do not have a brain to have ideas as to what the setup could be right now, judging by other people's posts so far.Scum's main job currently except for causing mislynches and staying hidden is finding PR's. I like your rage though. +1 town point.
Why would scum have more of an idea than us. it's like you are trying to scare the pr or pr's into outing by saying mafia know who they are.
Does it not make sense to you why i am reading loaf as town now? I think Elvis is mafia and currently i refuse to believe that everyone who voted on Zen was town. Look how noone even tried to defend him or anything none of you guys even tried to get reads from Zen before he was lynched if he had ended up being mafia what would you have gone on to try and find his partner so no i refuse to think you can all be town so then i come to the logical conclusion that loaf is town.
So you arn't even going to consider elvis's possible slip anymore? Are you reading him town then?
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