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On September 07 2014 05:42 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2014 11:53 geript wrote: Town Princess Newbie
TownWorld HeavyweightMafia Noir
Mafia DetentionIf you look in his town games, he actually comes out with his own opinions. He forces stuff that he thinks because he finds it important. He even comes up with some good reads (e.g. his HaruRH read in Noir). I'm not really seeing that at all this game from him.If you look in his scum games, he mostly comments on the thread rather than forcing is own thoughts and things onto people. By this I mean, he talks about things that are going on in the thread, being said, being talked about etc. He rarely forces his viewpoint and doesn't really "stick himself out there." That's the major difference that I see. The problem is that first meta is easy to use incorrectly and second that newer players change much faster which makes meta arguments much worse. In this game, I see far, far more of the latter. He's not really pushing his opinion on anything or anyone in a strong way. That's specifically why I think he's mafia. My hesitation is that I don't have a great record using meta and he's new which makes him harder to read. Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:23 geript wrote:On September 07 2014 05:11 HaruRH wrote:On September 07 2014 05:08 geript wrote:On September 07 2014 05:06 HaruRH wrote:On September 07 2014 05:05 geript wrote:On September 07 2014 05:04 HaruRH wrote:
Right, so till now, geript still have yet to present a read independent of any meta references. At this point I'm not going to. What you going to do about it hunh? I'm going to laugh as people call me useless and call geript a useful town That's probably because you have been completely useless this game. You're probably scum. Don't particularly care right now. I'm choosing to currently be useless because well meh, I'm tired of reading and thinking and shit. This is a good time to use meta, geript Here's some meta. People who are completely useless on day 1 are usually scum. You've been completely useless day 1. You've asked people for reads and haven't provided any. Even your plan is complete horse shit. Let's cover said plan: On September 04 2014 07:43 HaruRH wrote:
Alright let's cut to the chase and make it more readable for people who are going to join 5 hours later (and not fill 5 pages with spam)
Given the namelist right now, i feel that the holy grail should only go to either: koshi or rayn (or you can choose to give it to me :D). The rest are either too lurky or not going to use the 2 votes wisely (like robik).
We need to come up with a consensus so that the grail do not go to someone irresponsible. Give Koshi/Rayn the grail. Protect them at all costs. Then of course, because that plan is so obvious and makes so much sense you decide: On September 04 2014 08:16 HaruRH wrote:On September 04 2014 08:14 IAmRobik wrote:On September 04 2014 07:30 HaruRH wrote:On September 04 2014 07:23 gobbledydook wrote:
Forget it robik you are the last person I would want to have double votes So friggin true it hurts What about the game when you were medic and all of my reads were god tier. And who was the only person to clear you in the pro-am game? oh right. that's me. Don't feel sad, maybe it's because i see value in keeping you alive over keeping both koshi and rayn alive so they can shit up the thread again on any given day So you want to give the grail to people who would use it wisely and you want to give it to people who in your words: can shit up the thread again on any given day. ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/576/Wat8.jpg?1315930535) On September 04 2014 07:43 HaruRH wrote:
Alright let's cut to the chase and make it more readable for people who are going to join 5 hours later (and not fill 5 pages with spam)
Given the namelist right now, i feel that the holy grail should only go to either: koshi or rayn (or you can choose to give it to me :D). The rest are either too lurky or not going to use the 2 votes wisely (like robik).
We need to come up with a consensus so that the grail do not go to someone irresponsible. You want to give it to someone who isn't irresponsible and you're giving it to Robik? Like the vet who's the most likely to do something irresponsible with it. Like it's real simple. You've done nothing but talk about the grail. Because that's easy to do. You've never formed any reads whatsoever. I don't care. I don't see why other people want to lynch Rayn or Koshi over you. It's quite hilarious It's simple, you went into details when you explain your meta read into gobble, giving him a supposed null read (btw, even your examples were wrong because haru didn't play in noir! Now, you use a supposed 'meta' read that is junk because 1)robik is irresponsible, but I am not handing it over to ritoky 2) I have explained I was busy
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HaruRH/Damdred. They're both conf mafia.
Look at Damdred's other games. He's forming reads exceptionally differently than he has as town. He's also less active. He's also more idk polarized. That's harder to explain but I'll try. There's less confidence (less wishy washy than he is as town) and more surety. It looks like he's saying things more so to make a point than to drive discussion (which is a theme I see in his town games). There's also fewer recurring themes or ideas that he latches onto.
I'll vote for either of these two today.
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Fwiw HaruRH and Oats are not very likely to be mafia. HaruRH continuing to bitch about being caught. So noted.
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On September 08 2014 15:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 14:39 Sylencia wrote:
yam would you consider Haru town for the fact he didn't play to the fact he could've fake CC'd Martyr as scum since he caught on to the fact I suspected he was the martyr? It would've had a fair chance of working ocnsidering it was goobly who was the actual martyr and a lot of us were quite suspicious of goobly until he dropped the role bomb This is a super convoluted argument. I'm ignoring yam's read on you from now on.
I already threw that argument out anyway
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You also said haru was confirmed mafia and not likely in the following post. Nice. Can we lynch geript yet
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Just to be clear, the martyr save is only made obvious as to it being a martyr save. Whoever was targeted is not revealed.
In addition the Necromancer role will learn the identity of the original target, even if that target is then saved by a martyr.
There are some other changes to the set-up (for those who have played it before elsewhere). For example the wraith role is a one way confirm instead of two way. The necromancer gets the target role every night (as opposed to odd nights, which sometimes is the case).
Don't assume the setup is _exactly_ what you have seen elsewhere.
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okay so the martyr role was completely useless and helped only mafia. *sigh*
yamato elaborate on your Sylencia read. Are you srsly saying you think he is town because he called you town?
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On September 07 2014 06:35 geript wrote:
HolyGrail Votecount:
Geript (1) - raynpelikoneet
Ritoky (4) - ritoky, gobbeldydook, Koshi, geript
Yamato77 (1) - Yamato77
IAmRobik (6) - IAmRobik, LoneMeow, SloOsh, Damdred, HaruRH, Sylencia
Oatsmaster (1) - Oatsmaster
I like LM for town, but I'm not truly sure on the other 4 on Robik. Oats... gtfo. Funny thing is that I think the all the mafia are voting for Robik or Oats.
geript you are saying here mafia is in Sloosh/Damdred/Haru/Oats.
What has changed?
You are now calling at least one of Oats/Haru town (or both?). Do you still think Sloosh is mafia and if so why are you not voting for him?
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Sylencia why is geript mafia?
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Haru why is geript mafia?
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Until now, he still refuses to give any reads based on this game, but based on his horribly twisted 'meta' reads that are bent to suit his purposes. For example, the stuff I pointed out that was very inconsistent with all his reads was that he was using different parts of meta argument so that he can 'read' a person (eg. gobble) without looking like he did nothing. Next, his piss poor 'meta' read on me that called me mafia was very irritating to read because it is obviously twitsted so that he can call me mafia while having some sort of justification. He is basically playing like someone who only pulls reads out of his ass, except with bad 'meta' reads to justify. Therefore, he is skum.
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On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 15:55 ritoky wrote:On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote:
I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him. who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"? Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin) Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there. Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful. HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on. Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way). Slowish I'm guessing is town. Sylencia might be too based on attitude. That's essentially where I'm at.
On September 05 2014 11:53 geript wrote: Town Princess Newbie
TownWorld HeavyweightMafia Noir
Mafia DetentionIf you look in his town games, he actually comes out with his own opinions. He forces stuff that he thinks because he finds it important. He even comes up with some good reads (e.g. his HaruRH read in Noir). I'm not really seeing that at all this game from him. If you look in his scum games, he mostly comments on the thread rather than forcing is own thoughts and things onto people. By this I mean, he talks about things that are going on in the thread, being said, being talked about etc. He rarely forces his viewpoint and doesn't really "stick himself out there." That's the major difference that I see. The problem is that first meta is easy to use incorrectly and second that newer players change much faster which makes meta arguments much worse. In this game, I see far, far more of the latter. He's not really pushing his opinion on anything or anyone in a strong way. That's specifically why I think he's mafia. My hesitation is that I don't have a great record using meta and he's new which makes him harder to read.
Basically the 2 things I highlighted shows how he progressively hard scumreads gobble at early d1 and then relieve some pressure off him by stating how he was newbie and shit. Horribly twisting 'meta' reads to his advantage.
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On September 07 2014 05:23 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 05:11 HaruRH wrote:On September 07 2014 05:08 geript wrote:On September 07 2014 05:06 HaruRH wrote:On September 07 2014 05:05 geript wrote:On September 07 2014 05:04 HaruRH wrote:
Right, so till now, geript still have yet to present a read independent of any meta references. At this point I'm not going to. What you going to do about it hunh? I'm going to laugh as people call me useless and call geript a useful town That's probably because you have been completely useless this game. You're probably scum. Don't particularly care right now. I'm choosing to currently be useless because well meh, I'm tired of reading and thinking and shit. This is a good time to use meta, geript Here's some meta. People who are completely useless on day 1 are usually scum. You've been completely useless day 1. You've asked people for reads and haven't provided any. Even your plan is complete horse shit. Let's cover said plan: Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 07:43 HaruRH wrote:
Alright let's cut to the chase and make it more readable for people who are going to join 5 hours later (and not fill 5 pages with spam)
Given the namelist right now, i feel that the holy grail should only go to either: koshi or rayn (or you can choose to give it to me :D). The rest are either too lurky or not going to use the 2 votes wisely (like robik).
We need to come up with a consensus so that the grail do not go to someone irresponsible. Give Koshi/Rayn the grail. Protect them at all costs. Then of course, because that plan is so obvious and makes so much sense you decide: Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 08:16 HaruRH wrote:On September 04 2014 08:14 IAmRobik wrote:On September 04 2014 07:30 HaruRH wrote:On September 04 2014 07:23 gobbledydook wrote:
Forget it robik you are the last person I would want to have double votes So friggin true it hurts What about the game when you were medic and all of my reads were god tier. And who was the only person to clear you in the pro-am game? oh right. that's me. Don't feel sad, maybe it's because i see value in keeping you alive over keeping both koshi and rayn alive so they can shit up the thread again on any given day So you want to give the grail to people who would use it wisely and you want to give it to people who in your words: can shit up the thread again on any given day. Show nested quote +On September 04 2014 07:43 HaruRH wrote:
Alright let's cut to the chase and make it more readable for people who are going to join 5 hours later (and not fill 5 pages with spam)
Given the namelist right now, i feel that the holy grail should only go to either: koshi or rayn (or you can choose to give it to me :D). The rest are either too lurky or not going to use the 2 votes wisely (like robik).
We need to come up with a consensus so that the grail do not go to someone irresponsible. You want to give it to someone who isn't irresponsible and you're giving it to Robik? Like the vet who's the most likely to do something irresponsible with it. Like it's real simple. You've done nothing but talk about the grail. Because that's easy to do. You've never formed any reads whatsoever. I don't care. I don't see why other people want to lynch Rayn or Koshi over you. It's quite hilarious
I removed the pics because they are annoying.
This again shows how he tries to bend his 'meta' reads to attack me. Then, he comes along and do this horseshit:
You want to give it to someone who isn't irresponsible and you're giving it to Robik? Like the vet who's the most likely to do something irresponsible with it.
Which I already explained in my counter of this read, is stupid because the only candidates that obviously will have the grail at the end of the day are robik, yamato and geript (perhaps he is sour I did not vote for him) and I will not give the grail to yamato nor geript.
Like it's real simple. You've done nothing but talk about the grail. Because that's easy to do. You've never formed any reads whatsoever. I don't care. I don't see why other people want to lynch Rayn or Koshi over you. It's quite hilarious
Similarly, taking out all the bullshit meta reads from his filter, all you see is talk about grail. I don't see why people think he is town.
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Okay. what's your take on Sloosh and Sylencia?
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On September 08 2014 14:18 slOosh wrote:Robik, how are you telling me to trust this guy? Show nested quote +On September 07 2014 02:40 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 07 2014 02:28 yamato77 wrote:
oats is town you say that every single game Im in man. Koshi, why the fuck dont you have a solid read on rayn? Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 08 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote:On September 08 2014 12:53 ritoky wrote:On September 08 2014 10:58 geript wrote:
Also for the record. Pretty sure Koshi was a miss. what precisely leads you to this conclusion? also what do you think of the judge going completely against the candidates that the majority of town wanted? I was trying to be crafty so that they would try to soup oats = judge pfft, im not that dumb. What kinda idiot claims judge by lynching someone that was only pushed by him?? haru feels like scum from the throwaway vote in majority lynch. I think rayn will either be useful or useless and we can make a more accurate decision later in the game, no reason to lynch him when there are dudes like damdred, syl, haru, LM actually you know what, LM is scum. didnt vote. Doesnt follow up on questions. Only talks about one dude in any form of detail and this is nothing like his town play. LYNCH! ##vote LMif we dont actually iml at least once this game, I will be very sad.
taking this outta context.
wtf sloosh.
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On September 08 2014 15:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2014 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote:On September 08 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote:On September 08 2014 12:53 ritoky wrote:On September 08 2014 10:58 geript wrote:
Also for the record. Pretty sure Koshi was a miss. what precisely leads you to this conclusion? also what do you think of the judge going completely against the candidates that the majority of town wanted? I was trying to be crafty so that they would try to soup oats = judge pfft, im not that dumb. What kinda idiot claims judge by lynching someone that was only pushed by him?? haru feels like scum from the throwaway vote in majority lynch. I think rayn will either be useful or useless and we can make a more accurate decision later in the game, no reason to lynch him when there are dudes like damdred, syl, haru, LM actually you know what, LM is scum. didnt vote. Doesnt follow up on questions. Only talks about one dude in any form of detail and this is nothing like his town play. LYNCH! ##vote LMif we dont actually iml at least once this game, I will be very sad. the fuck? So geript's vote on me is not a throwaway, while my vote on him is throwaway? Even when i explained why his vote on me is dumb and the reasoning sucked?
yes, you arent town when you say, "HE DID IT TOO!!!!"
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slOosh
I read him scum earlier and not much has changed.
He asks questions but there's no followup.
First says he feels better about raynpelikoneet (who he never really called scum anyway):
On September 06 2014 02:45 slOosh wrote:
I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out.
Then once Damdred makes his case on raynpelikoneet, he's suddenly up to lynching raynpelikoneet:
On September 07 2014 04:07 slOosh wrote:Oh baby Robik just attained "I would matryr for him if I was matryr" status. But I'd do Damdred , Rayn , geript , LoneMeow / Koshi / Oats. I can get on the rayn lynch. His fixation on Sylencia and gobbley the whole game is basically persuing easy mislynches, and when gobbley claims he can't go after that so it's back to Sylencia. He doesn't mention anything about Damdred really, but finds it relevant to soft defend him Show nested quote +On September 06 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So gobble damdred is mafia because he is calling sloosh scum an not defending himself instead..... god what the hell? Side note: Damdred never actually calls me scum after all this. He complains about all this stuff I'm doing, but never actually calls me scum. But in anycase, he is soft defending Damdred here without commenting on him. Are we going for the big plays?
Not a towny thought progression.
##DeadlineVote: slOosh
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Damdred
Was leaning town on him earlier for his early game suspicion of IAmRobik at a stage where I don't see scum doing that.
The way he's all defensive but not producing many reads when the pressure is on him is suspicious, but the case on raynpelikoneet shows clear effort. Except for the fact that he then pretty much says he didn't actually do a proper meta comparison and upon checking better retracts the case.
Verdict: Leaning scum. Most likely not scum if slOosh is, though.
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Your right I did reread the game and I really do not like sloosh still at this point. He scum read me all day, I'm pretty sure if he would of stayed on me and pushed him and rob could of lynched me. I'm phone posting so I'll make a proper case in an hour or so.
Also get that's a bad meta case on me, I'm usually wishy washy with my reads early and always second guess myself till later
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raynpelikoneet
While I'd agree he's not playing as he usually does, I don't see that being alignment indicative.
I don't have a solid read on him but I do like this post for him being town:
On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
the problem with this game is the following.
there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato.
geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says.
i was not around for the most of the time.
koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that.
yamato didn't get anything done.
That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia.
In fact the point about Koshi is a very good one and I think Koshi was a decent lynch.
So I'll say leaning town. A little.
+ Show Spoiler +On September 08 2014 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also in 36h starts my vacation and then i'll play. He'd never say this as scum - is what I'd want to believe.
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