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I am at a school computer and have about 30 minutes before I have to go to my next class. After that, I probably won't be available except maybe a few minutes between 6 and 6:30pm until 8:30pm EDT
On September 03 2014 00:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:@ Batsnacks terrible post Inb4 there are third party roles, BS is fool, and therefore trying to get himself lynched. @3d12's post How is posting random useless things, random voting someone, town? He posted a useless post, random voted Templar, and then disappeared. Not townie at all, but see above post. I say if we have a vigi, shoot him. JS @Micchan's post Lurkfest incoming @Kita's post So In a way, I think the idea of having all votes in an hour early isn't such a bad idea (unless that is mafia's mission). My thing is, why focus on missions when we need to find mafia? I think it's going to cause a lot of tension and bad reads to focus on squashing missions rather than lynching off the mafia. Idk I also don't see how Templar's post was low quality? @Templar, so why are these posts the most interesting to you?
Batsnacks grabs everyone's attention by making us collectively say "wtf". Immediately votes the first reaction that's not specifically asking about the post to the post. This could theoretically, but unlikely, be seen as a townie move but it's very shallow.
3d12 is a newbie to this game so it's normal (read: null read) to agree with people and to come up with reasons why a more seasoned player could be doing something silly/very odd. Unless Batsnacks' account was hacked there has to be a reason why he posted that so the normal initial reaction is to figure out why.
Micchan is obviously watching if he has posted that the thread has become a mess. Since he is watching, we need him to offer his insight if possible, to see where he is. Micchan, since you're reading this, start posting dammit. Nobody is going to get away with lurking this game if we can help it.
Kita's idea had two main problems with it.
1. Not everyone will be here at EOD (and mafia could screw with us by pretending to be AFK) so it will be more of a mess than normal.
2. He immediately rescinded the idea when someone questioned it.
I don't like how indecisive that is. While I don't mind his policies so far he doesn't seem to be sticking with anything.
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On September 03 2014 02:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
What about the other questions and stuff that kita has put forward?
Kita scum or town
Pink. The number of reads he is asking about and then later saying what he thought is unusually high IMO.
On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more. It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
I don't like these sort of questions because they can be used as a two-way tool depending on the answer.
On September 02 2014 11:35 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:30 Vivax wrote:On September 02 2014 11:23 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 11:14 Vivax wrote:
That's exactly the feeling I got from Templar's post and the feeling I get from you is that you're trying to shove it under a carpet after feeling the same. So you're saying that I uncovered a scummy post from my scum buddy templar, pointed it out, and then decided to minimize the severity by "shoving it under a carpet"? meh I called the post a disconnected catchup post because it was. I shared my displeasure about those type of posts, decided that it's not significant enough to push right now, and pushed templar in the direction to not do it again. You didn't seem displeased, you gave us a reason for you to not pursue it further. If you were displeased I'd expect you to be more confrontational than that, where you give yourself a reason to ignore it. Why bring it up at all if it's of no relevance for you afterwards? That's what I also don't understand from a town pov. I'd expect you to mention things you find worthwhile mentioning and if you mention that but don't apply it at all to your templar read cause apparently it doesn't say enough for you then it just looks like an issue you would find scummy usually, but here you play it down. Well I found 3d12 and batsnacks more scummy and mentioned that in the exact same post. Templar was kinda scummy, but not a huge deal to me if it was a one time thing, as I stated.
In reference to this last post and the one in the spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 08:54 Damdred wrote:
If I may draw your attention to Guilty mafia that just completed, we swung the vote in the last 30 seconds almost to lynch mafia day one. If we get stuck to much in the mindset that we have to find the mission and break it, or piling on votes to one wagon (which i think is what was discussed) is a good idea. It really is not today, or any day. We really need at least two wagons going just so we have another option and we can see peoples voting patterns take form after day1,2,3 etc.. Well that idea would be that the day cycle would be like any other game, except 47 hours instead of 48 hours. You still would have 2 wagons and voting analysis could still be done since the player with the most votes after 47 hours would be lynched. The only difference would be that everyone moves to that player in the last hour. On second thought, people aren't really reliable enough to be around and now that the day is a few hours old, its not really worth discussing policy like that which isn't incredibly important so I say we should probably just drop the idea. Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts. batsnacks is around, but has chosen not to post so I wouldn't mind a couple of votes on him. Micchan is a reasonable alternative if he doesn't have anything to say either. Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.  I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there.
There is a bit of inconsistency if I am reading this correctly as there is no mention of 3d12 and batsnacks in that post. However, these thoughts were expressed earlier.
On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far?
Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly.
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On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink.
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia.
On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb
Did you intend to respond to your own post?
So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me.[/QUOTE]
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EBWOP >.>
On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP
Did you intend to respond to your own post?
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On September 03 2014 02:24 The_Templar wrote:EBWOP >.> Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP Did you intend to respond to your own post?
EBWOP #2
Apparently you didn't. Disregard -.-
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On September 03 2014 02:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote:On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:
Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack?
I don't like these sort of questions because they can be used as a two-way tool depending on the answer. Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 02:17 The_Templar wrote:
Another (more so) two-way post. He hasn't said a word about poofter so far, particularly. The reason I asked that was because 3d gave bat a town read for his "provocative" random vote so I brought up the two other players who did the same thing, wondering if he would use the same reasoning, which doesn't seem to be the case. I don't see how you find me suspicious for trying to figure things like that out.
Hm. There are some parallels but batsnack's vote might have been planned while Obi's obviously wasn't and Tehpoofter said he was intending to troll this game which is why he sheeped. 3d12 managed to come up with a reason to sheep before he read batsnacks as green.
Thanks for clarifying your ideas.
I have to go to class now and I will not be back for about 7 hours.
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On September 03 2014 02:28 Micchan wrote:
Ok here whatever
Im srry 3d i highly suspect ing u after backtracking...ur obviously trying to divert attention rn...
this forum only speaks english
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I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this.
3d12:
On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most: Show nested quote +
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet.
I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit).
On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK.
This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd).
He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post.
On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post.  Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg?
I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours)
On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game.
This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read.
On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses.
If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made...
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On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
I thought a bit about how to deal with missions. And I came to the conclusion that we should ignore them completely. We have no idea what those missions are, so it's difficult to make them fail.Our time is probably much better spent thinking about the players.
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? I also don't like how a provocative opening instantly makes him townread people.
I keep subconsciously giving him newbie bonuses >.>
On missions: I think we should be on the lookout for patterns in people's posting anyway (easier to read them anyway) but we shouldn't focus too much on missions yet. We'll see if they end up being important.
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On September 03 2014 05:44 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything?
that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards.
To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much.
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On September 03 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 05:46 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 05:44 mderg wrote:On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything? that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much. If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be?
probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post.
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I'm off to dinner/class for the next 3.5 hours, see you all later
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back, funny how I always get read as the opposite alignment on day1.
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On September 03 2014 09:34 kitaman27 wrote:Hmm, still at weak town read. For that post you pointed out, he points out all the things he disagrees with and it was followed by "my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much." This is an interesting read since it attempts to distinguish between the validity of his ideas and the motivations behind his posts. As mafia, I think it's really easy to point out all the bad thoughts and come to a scum conclusion as a result. He could probably do well for himself by throwing some spoilers around the quotes, but there are enough spots where he responds to posts unprompted that don't give me the detached feeling that I was referring to earlier, that always makes me suspicious of Foolishness. When I was reading on Newbie LVI, I did pick up on his habit to give thread updates to his availability, but it's tough to say how significant that is without a town example. I'm a terrible player for using the "he can't possibly roll scum 4 times in a row" argument, but that doesn't stop me from doing so  I'd rather look elsewhere at the moment.
I got VT 12 times on a row in live mafia. Got to the point everyone assumed I was town every game. So don't assume it >.>
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On September 03 2014 08:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 11:10 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:42 Vivax wrote:Templar's long post wasn't all that interesting, but I won't fault him for sharing thoughts. It will be important to see if he continues to share thoughts rather than making disconnected catch up posts.
Also kita I want a followup to this now. Disconnected catch up post sounds like something you would scumread him for and I don't like how you willingly put a caveat in here. I wanna talk about templars post some more.
It would be a scum read if he does this repeatedly. It's too early to go after that for a single post. If he starts interacting with the thread, then I'm not as concerned. Who do you find worse, 3d12 or batsnack? Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
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##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... This for me falls into the category of a post that should have caught your attention and forged your opinion on him into a red way.
You are surprisingly wrong here. My post that kita didn't like was basically a short response to all of the posts in the thread. That post you quoted was my thoughts on one person's posting throughout the entire game.
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On September 03 2014 08:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Bang: Vivax - His reads have aligned with mine I liked the way he answered the buddying question I asked him last night he felt like he while disagreeing with me had a townie mindset. Kill - Micchan - See my case on him he hasn't posted hardly anything and what he has posted has just set off scum alarms every single time we should all be voting this dude! Link to the post!The_Templar - His read on 3d12 that I was questioning him on felt really odd to me it seemed like to me a mafia either soft defending a newbish scumbuddy or soft defending a townie enough to hopefully not get blamed for his lynch. If his mission was defend several townies or a buddy this would make sense something about reading his post felt forced to me. I know also Templar as scum can come out of the gates firing as scum in the newbie game I saw him play in he had the 2nd if not the biggest filter and I think this reminds me of that game. To all of you so I can read you a bit better where do you stand? Have you voted Micchan yet?
Your read on Vivax: As someone who has been mafia several times in a row recently, I can tell you that it's a terrible idea to town read someone based on their reads. Most players can give alignment-neutral reads and I've seen players get terribly confused later on because the people that had the same reads as them turned out to be mafia. Regarding the rest, can you say exactly how he has a "townie mindset"? I don't see it at all.
Your read on Micchan: I don't like the post you linked to. These are all valid points but he's not making a difference at all since he's lurked a lot and I want to see how he develops over the next ~12 hours before voting him. There's not a rush to figure things out here yet.
Your read on me: I want clarification on that bolded part. In response to me coming out of the gates firing as scum: have you ever seen me play town? (hint: it's never happened before this game)
Can you really determine my town/scum meta when compared to the other considering there's no evidence of the former?
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On September 03 2014 10:02 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 05:25 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 05:12 mderg wrote:
IMO proper reads > catching people on missions True, though at this point nobody has any proper reads for at least a few more hours. I'd prefer to to speculate to see if we can come up with any policies to break the system. For example, if we all agree to cut the day cycle short by one hour as if that were the deadline and then all move our votes to whoever had the majority at that point, we might be able to trigger a failure on a vote related mission.Something else to keep in mind may be getting baited into using certain trigger words. For instance, perhaps the mafia player needs 3 people to say the phrase "OMGUS" during the cycle or something. Or we might be able to trigger a success on a vote related mission.
That's in response to an old, irrelevant post. I guess you should have started playing sooner. 
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On September 03 2014 07:14 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 06:48 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 03 2014 06:42 batsnacks wrote:On September 03 2014 06:39 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 03 2014 06:35 mderg wrote:On September 03 2014 06:22 kushm4sta wrote:On September 03 2014 05:38 mderg wrote:
Anyone else thinking that 3d12 is trying hard to get some newbie bonus? how so These give off that feeling to me. I may be thinking too much into it, though. On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help? On September 02 2014 09:09 3d12 wrote:Edit-post to fix quote formatting: On September 02 2014 08:08 The_Templar wrote:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway.
I didn't quote the post directly. Sorry. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:
You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes?
I think thats a stretch I don't think I'd give him townie points for any of these posts as even as a noob you could say them from either alignment. I think its is townie of you to point it out like it seems as if you're looking for scum. Would you agree that 3d12's posts carry an apologetic tone? If yes, why do you think he is posting this way? I do think that he is apologetic in nature on his posts. His entrance landed him in the scummy side for me because of the way it agreed with someone who already posted about something I thought was scummy. If hes scum its to try to scoot out of a lynch. He could be town trying to figure things out. He stays as scum for now to me thought. What about you? I agree that his tone sounds apologetic but I do not think in his case that this is alignment indicative. Reading his filter, I noticed he has been posting like this since before the game even began. Here are some posts before the game started: Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 00:51 3d12 wrote:
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I've never played, so if you're alright with a newbie joining in, then please do sign me up. I've read a few of the guides already though, and it seems like an interesting format. Seems like the type of game that might even be more fun in IRC format. Show nested quote +On August 30 2014 05:50 3d12 wrote:
Sorry for the double-post, but I just wanted to double-check. (And bear with me, this is only the first of what will likely be a deluge of dumb newbie questions)
Is the deadline of 12:30pm PDT the deadline for confirmation, or the deadline to post each day? Then this is his first post as of the game starting: Show nested quote +On September 02 2014 08:44 3d12 wrote:
Forgive me if this seems like kind of a newbie question, but after catching up on the thread, the main thing that sticks out to me is the discussion about the voting. I'm not sure this is a good way to flush out scum. Personally, I'm with Damdred on the opinion that cutting the vote off early will cause tunneling on whoever has the majority at that point, so could someone enlighten me further on why this strategy would help? An apologetic tone would usually raise alarm bells for me. Townies are inherently innocent and shouldn't be afraid of saying the wrong thing or accidentally saying too much; they have no reason to apologize. If townies are afraid of speaking their mind that might be an indicator of a poor thread environment. However, since 3d12 has been posting like this since before the game began I believe he's just nervous about playing in general. People have been going after him since his first post so there hasn't even been an opportunity for him to calm down yet. Overall I do not think 3d12's apologies are scummy.
What do you think about 3d12's actual posts?
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On September 03 2014 06:11 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2014 06:02 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:On September 03 2014 05:46 The_Templar wrote:On September 03 2014 05:44 mderg wrote:On September 03 2014 05:23 The_Templar wrote:I'm here again for another hour, as I am still working out kinks in my schedule. Sorry for being inconsistent about this. 3d12: On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:Thanks Damdred, that was a good explanation. From my RL experience with Mafia, I've found it's usually good to have multiple options at the end of the day like you said, to be able to better piece together who is siding with whom in the long run. I'd say that's a defensible tactic to employ later on, but I'd agree that it serves no purpose in the first few days. Especially when we have no hint whatsoever as to what these missions are. From Templar's post, I think this stuck out to me the most:
And the missions are required for mafia… or they will die. I would say that's better for us anyway
He makes a good point. We're making a witch-hunt out of nothing right now. I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I was initially a bit skeptical upon rereading this but 3d12 has not been too bad since then. He also gave the same read on ObiWan later (a move by kita which I seem to have messed with a bit). On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 09:06 3d12 wrote:I think batsnacks is judging reactions and playing provocateur. He looks pretty town from where I'm standing, but I don't have all my chips on the table just yet. I see batsnacks voting templar after a large low quality post, but I don't see how you automatically come to this conclusion that his is town based on his vote and assume he is playing provocative. It makes me suspicious of you and I wonder if you may know he is town and are attempting to come up with an suggestion that explains his play without the information being there. On September 02 2014 03:16 Damdred wrote:
@3d when you return could you talk more about why you think bat is doing that (as in him being provocative etc) and why town bats would just do that and run out of the thread? Feels like you are giving him a pass on it to easily at this point, though I do not think it is beyond town bats to do it either. It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. Instead, I'll be focusing on the people using this event and the surrounding discussion to mask their contributions to the investigation at large. And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. This is a decent post, although I don't entirely agree with it. Mafia would love an excuse or some way to cause chaos and force a mislynch so making a weird off topic post (that hopefully makes them a null read) and random voting could work (although, either possibility is very odd). He didn't really explain his thoughts on vivax/kush very well in this post. But, he did try to clarify his opinions in his next post. On September 03 2014 01:04 3d12 wrote:On September 02 2014 22:26 kushm4sta wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. So why am I scum? "jumping on the bandwagon?" not really a bandwagon since there are only two people voting for batsnacks, and I didn't really jump on it cause I was the first vote. "refuting vivax" Why are my refutations scummy? What has vivax said that makes sense? You're right, I thought I saw a third vote for batsnacks. Sorry. I wish there was a neater way to find the current vote count. Is there a program or something that I could use to loop through the thread and count the votes? As for refuting Vivax, I said that because Vivax is the one that I'm getting the most positive read from so far. He's pointed out very good inconsistency between Templar and kita, and even though Templar has made a few good posts to better explain his views, kita's evasiveness is something to be observed more closely, I think. On September 02 2014 22:12 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
And currently exhibit A on my list is kushm4sta. Despite the awesomely understanding acceptance of my newbie ways, we haven't seen much from him aside from jumping on the batwagon and refuting Vivax -- who, in my opinion, is making the most sense out of anyone in this entire thread, myself included. Exhibit B is Micchan, who seems strangely quiet. I hope he hasn't gone AFK. How do you feel about obi and poofter so far? Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. Poofter seems alright though; his posts are generally low-content, but unless we revisit the idea of missions involving post count, that's not enough for me to read him as scum. On September 02 2014 17:54 Oatsmaster wrote:
just saw 3d's post, calls out micchan for being quiet, doesnt call me out for not posting at all. Clearly sheeping someone's previous sentiment.
Or anticipating your mod-kill due to 12 hours without post. Welcome to the game. (And my suspect list, lol) Care to share any opinion on Templar or mderg? I don't like this post, but at least he's giving reasoning on his thoughts on Obi and Poofter. His read on Oatsmaster is very odd if he actually suspects him. (BTW the posting rule is 1 post/1 vote per day/night cycle not 12 hours) On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. This is a worthless post that only serves to claim town when he's been very serious all game. He should at least address bunnies, even if it's just to give a read. On September 03 2014 03:07 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:22 kitaman27 wrote:On September 03 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
Obi is a bit of a mystery, but is starting to look more pink to me. The fact that he was so willing to vote out bat for what was likely a provocation post makes me question his motives, but the fact that he instantly switched his view to Templar after receiving some pressure is a bit more fishy. More data is needed, but the radar is definitely reading slightly pink. On September 02 2014 17:24 3d12 wrote:
It wasn't who he voted for, it was how he voted and why. By casting a vote in a random direction, one can sit back and observe how people react to that vote. That's not typically Mafia behavior, though I will admit the long-winded post from earlier had me confused as well. All in all, it's a tough read; but if I had to imagine myself in his position, I wouldn't imagine he'd want to make such a big target out of himself on D1 if he were Mafia. On September 02 2014 04:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Reporting in.
##vote 27nb So why doesn't your logic that gives you a town read on bat, not apply to obi? Didn't he "cast a vote in a random direction"? You say bat wouldn't want to make a big target of himself as mafia by random voting, but obi would? This seems inconsistent to me. EBWOP If you'd asked me this 4 hours in, I'd have read Obi as green as I did bat. His opening vote was similarly provocative, and there was little reason to suspect. Since pushing to have bat plynched though, Obi has pointed fingers at two other parties and is acting much more defensive. I'm not voting yet, but Obi is definitely on my radar. On September 03 2014 01:38 Damdred wrote:On September 03 2014 01:30 3d12 wrote:On September 03 2014 01:11 Damdred wrote:
Actually 3d, why are you ignoring bunnies right now? She has said a couple times that she would be happy to get you out of the game, what do you think of that? Why did you put off commenting on it? Not worth comment, imo. She said herself that her read on me is only a "gut read," and if people are happy with bandwagoning on a gut feeling to have me lynched, I'll happily /obs and laugh as the scum runs away with the game. Well I can understand that. However what do you think of bunnies posts besides her gut feeling on you? What posts? Aside from a suspicious(ly silly) read on poofter and a CTA for a vigi on bat, she hasn't contributed much to the discussion so far. If anything, if the deadline was right now and I had to cast my vote, I think 27nb would be my choice. Stepping up and trying to publicly read poofter as town based on nothing but troll posts gives me a bad feeling that there may even be a bus straight to LYLO going on under our noses. If you think bunnies' activities make her lynchable right now you should probably explain the posts she has made... I don't like this post. A huge post about 3d12 but it doesn't actually say much. Why even take the time to go through this amount of posts, if you don't have a real conclusion or anything? that is not a huge post. That is a small post by my standards. To answer your question, my conclusion is that 3d12 is slightly green but I don't like how he thinks very much. If he wasn't a newbie what color would he be? probably still slightly green since there's nothing particularly wrong with his posts other than what I put in my post. I think its scummy that you're saying you're giving him newbie passes and still would lean slightly green on him (the same read) if he wasn't a newbie. Wouldn't your newbie passes inherently make his towniness increase? I think you might be throwing the newbie pass out there as an excuse for him like soft defending and then giving him a town read. Please explain why the rating doesn't change.
That is not what I said. I said that I've been subconsciously giving him points for a newbie. I have been realizing my mistake before I post though and re-evaluate my opinions on him, remembering not to give him points for being a noob
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