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On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote: I'm a vt. I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that. What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay? This post has no substance. And why would you talk down to bunny about him having limited information? Do you have less limited information? | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote: Kenpachi Rule ##vote 27ninjabunnies Kenpachi rule? | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote: So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie." The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule" It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum. On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote: The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game. Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is: Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player. The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere. These definitions don't exactly match up... | ||
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On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote: You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum. But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule? I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so... | ||
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On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote: You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip. This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia: On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote: DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip" Did something change? | ||
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On June 16 2014 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote: So while I may or may not share the opinion that "The Kenpachi Rule" actually works or whatever, it's pretty much scientifically proven that you cannot discover the alignment of a player based on whether he is properly applying the tenets of the rule or not. That he's spoken at all makes me not want to lynch YKZ, and I think that bunnies is like supertown based on what she's saying and how she's arguing. I'm more interested in lynching people like BH sitting back and tossing in occasional kindling like the following and are content to sit back and watch it all burn. FYI: YKZ and BH are the same guy. | ||
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On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote: I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. | ||
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On June 17 2014 02:38 slOosh wrote: I'm sorry, how is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb? He hasn't rehashed anything, it's original content and wordiness is alignment null. Hmm? How does it make him scum? Where's the inconsistency? Leaning may not be indicative of degree of conviction, but merely the direction of it. You are starting to make associations here and I don't think that's a good idea. Focus on them as individuals. I'm not really sure what else to say here except that there's a large variance of degrees. How I see it, you have release saying "I'm leaning YKZ scum" on first quote and saying "I am unequivocally convinced YKZ is scum" on second one. Release has since posted something in disagreement, but this is what I see when looking at that post. What's more, when would town ever say "...what needs to be said to incriminate..."? That's some super-scummy wording. Town looks to determine who's scum, not to make someone look like scum. Further, when thinking back on my own games the way Release has posted is almost exactly how I handled my first mafia game. I posted a huge case on an easy target then AFK'ed, only posting when I felt I had to. Looking at a few of his past games (when he was town), he had a much easier to follow flow with his posts. Every post in this game feels very calculated, and given how I personally liked to post in previous games as scum, it's easy for me to see how as an insecure newbie scum he would feel inclined to stack as much together as he could into a few very carefully planted posts. | ||
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##Vote: YouKnowZhou YouKnowZhou doesn't seem very interested in figuring out other players, YouKnowZhou doesn't seem to care about literally anything but jumping at ninja repeatedly with the same argument, YouKnowZhou is scum by his own argument.: On June 17 2014 03:22 YouKnowZhou wrote: I think my most recent post demonstrates that 27nb's attention is drawn towards statements about her, rather than incriminating things I say-- even a bad townie would naturally respond to me saying things like "I lied to decieve town because I thought I could get away with it", whereas scum regardless of badness would naturally respond to me saying kenpachi rule but NOT respond to additional evidence. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of mindset. A townie, even a new townie (I remember being one), when thyey have a scumread on someone and that person does something really scummy, they RESPOND to it. they add it to their case. It's the natural thought process of a town player REGARDLESS of skill. 27nb is not showing this natural thought process. Look at her responses to my posts. Is she responding to things I say that are scummy or inconsistent and pointing out their inconsistency? Or is she just shouting about my first post whenever she gets the chance, and not actually trying to convince people to lynch me based on new evidence that emerges? A townie who was really tunnelled on me would LOVE to point out new scummy things I say, because he's still trying to formulate and develop a case. 27nb is always talking about me, sure, but look at WHAT she's responding to. Not the stuff a townie would. In short, YKZ holds ninja to be scum because ninja didn't evolve her case, while YKZ really hasn't evolved his... It's still about Kenpachi rule, and he holds ninja to a different standard than he is holding himself. A standard which makes her scum while he somehow is not... | ||
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On June 17 2014 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote: I think this post makes slOosh scum. DETAILS AT ELEVEN!!! Promises were made. Promises better be delivered. I'll be waiting. Imho, sloosh is the only one in thread who has really made a concerted effort to push things forward. I would be really surprised if he was scum when he could easily lurk around in an environment such as this one where apparently no one likes to post all that much. | ||
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On June 17 2014 14:22 Snickers wrote: I think i have been posting a lot. I am also surprised you chose to vote YKZ rather than Release. Your two posts prior to your vote posts were leaning towards him. Is it normal in mafia games for the votes to be spread like this? Barring that someone jumps up and down screaming he/she's scum, yes there's generally some degree of vote distribution. And that's where consolidating becomes key to help prevent the sway of scum influence on the vote and produce as much information as possible. And while I, and I am sure several others here, are more than happy to answer questions such as this one they're better suited for asking a coach in a newbie game. Here, they're just going to distract from whatever you have to say and fluff your filter, so I would urge you to use them sparingly and only when you absolutely need to know something you can't find out from somewhere like mafiascum.net wiki. I do believe that there's a decent chance Release could be scum. However, unlike YKZ he's willing to come in and answer questions. He's continuing to post and and YKZ is not. It doesn't sit very well with me seeing him voting for the same guy I am, but association based deductions day one is not something I can realistically do. Independent of everything else YKZ is looking scummier to me right now than Release. Therefore he gets my vote. | ||
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On June 17 2014 14:41 YouKnowZhou wrote: First off Kenpachi rule clearly doesn't apply to me since 27nb hasn't claimed VT and Kenpachi Rule Extended doesn't apply either since I've addressed her continuing filter (and her continuing non-addressal of my filter). Secondly I tunnel who I want, when I want, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop my tunnelling. Stop your so-called "thought process" for a moment here and think about this possibility: 27nb is scum. Why would I devote my time to all you guys silly cases on people like artanis or Release-- oh wait, I already did that, and pointed out my reads, and hey, looks like 27nb is STILL SCUM. I'd like you to take a moment to contemplate what you're saying here. You're saying that I, YKZ (supposedly Blazinghand) am tunnelling someone, and that the fact that I'm monomaniacally focused on my target indicates that I am... wait for it... scum? ._. You forget the real situation, which is that I'm monomaniacally focused on my target because my target is in fact scum.. Put yourself in my shoes. You have caught scum. Who are you gonna vote? Are you gonna vote, push on, and develop your case on scum? Or are you gonna do something useless and awful? Well, many people call me useless and awful, but I'm not. Instead of being useless and awful, I'm voting 27nb and have shown that 27nb's continued mindset was in fact indicative of a scum alignment. So... I'm still voting 27nb. Would you look at that, my logic makes sense, unlike the logic of, say, illogical people. Now, you are a logical person, GK. I know this because you and me, we're like *this* (makes gesture). So as a logical person, I want you to take a look at how I play as scum (you've known my scum play well) and how I play as town, and realize that the logical side is my side. I will say that I still have to digest 27nb's back-off in response to the lynch on her getting traction. It seems like such an obviously scummy move that it almost falls into "too scummy to be scum" territory, though of course such territory is meaningless anyways. I can't get why she'd do this as scum, except of course to make me think that thought. I'll sleep on it, I suppose. So you're saying now that Kenpachi rule doesn't apply? I certainly would love to see a case writeup by you showing all the other scummy stuff you've seen ninja say/do because thus far I'm either missing something in your filter, or it just isn't really there. I get you have this argument that ninja is only interested in herself, and should have jumped you for stuff like lying etc. etc. I just don't get how this applies to her being sure scum. Like you must have claimed VT with this kind of Kenpachi trap in mind, and then you say ridiculous stuff with another outcome in mind. I just can't fathom how every townie expected to act a certain way, while scum another, when dealing with these "traps." It just doesn't make sense to me. In all fairness I missed your discussion of release as in my mind it was a bit of a footnote when talking about your undying desire to see ninja lynched. And while what you say about him possibly making a case about you regardless of alignment is valid, the manner in which he does it and carries himself I believe deserves more attention. And the Artanis comment I suppose is an opinion, but one I'd argue doesn't really say much about his alignment. As town I suppose I would have expected you'd push ninja from more vantage points and try super-hard to get everyone on board. Like scream at them and stuff like you do from time to time. It's felt more like you're in a two-way conversation with ninja no one else is invited to to shit up the thread. And perhaps I'm totes off-base. Tbh, another reason for my vote was pressure as I know if you are town you will do a respectable job of showing it. I would also be very much so interested in hearing a little more from you about release. The guy wrote an ESSAY about you, and while some of the content isn't a total rehash of what others have said or a summary, I believe his posting style is substantially off from his prior towngames. And it's not like he's been eager to engage in conversation with you or investigate or get others to side with him. And yet he's just very much so convinced you're scum... | ||
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On June 17 2014 14:48 YouKnowZhou wrote: wtf, I answer like every question, even the "million dollar question" Probably like at least 10% of my freaking filter is dealing with the inane questions of hopeless proles who are begging for my time. believe it or not, GK, I was not placed into this game to serve you. I am not a servant. I am not a slave. I am not an indentured servant who is working off the debt he accrued paying for his passage to the "new world". No, I'm Blazinghand, the best player on TL Mafia, Claimer Extraordinary and Intelligent, He Who Doesn't Always Make Cases, But When He Does He Doesn't, The Catcher of the Three, The RNG Lyncher of Odin. Can you mess with those titles? You can't, that's right. So if you want me to answer your alleged "questions" or respond to your so-called "posts" you'll need to do better than that. Actually, I guess you wouldn't need to do better than this post, since I am in fact responding to it, but you get the idea. I've written the best, most coherent case in this entire thread. There are nations that bow down before me (metaphorically speaking) because of the amazing case I've written on 27nb. In fact, GK, why aren't you answering my questions, huh? Oh, that's right, I guess I didn't ask any. Well, fair enough, you win this round. But the point I'm getting at is: My filter stands for itself and my positions stand for themselves. 27nb has done nothing, I repeat, nothing to make me think that she is town this game, except maybe back off of me in a weird way. As far as I can see, I see no reason not to lynch her, and as far as I can see, I don't see why you don't see a reason not to lynch her. That quote was posted at the exact same time as your response. You just responded to some of what I've just posted here, here, but what I just wrote is my reply. | ||
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On June 17 2014 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote: itt BH appeals to authority while smurfing. And he ISN'T the leading lynch yet? Where's that sloosh case you promised dood? | ||
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On June 17 2014 16:05 YouKnowZhou wrote: you could argue that, but you would be wrong. Also, you want to unvote me, trust me. Just gimme a day and I'll fulfill all your wildest dreams good night sweet prince Fine. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, unvote you, and honor this Day 1 truce thing we always seem to do. ##Unvote: YouKnowZhou On June 17 2014 16:07 Snickers wrote: gk what is your read on mderg? I think its weird how he has only posted one thing. He sorta offers an excuse for that. The thing i find most weird is "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow". ..... I do not think somebody that is town would say hopefully i will post more after posting one post. Both town and scum can be lazy. Not really much else to say here... If he makes a habit of making excuses then yes, it's a scummy thing. | ||
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On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote: It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. | ||
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You've been in a corner there chugging away at YKZ case-making. Anyone else you have on your list of scum suspects? | ||
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On June 18 2014 04:47 slOosh wrote: From You Only Shoot Once (first game that popped up) VE is extremely backseat and content to watch the town do it's own thing, making up excuses not to give reads / do anything. ##Unvote Artanis[Xp] ##Vote VisceraEyes FYI: VE was town in the game you referenced. From what I've seen in his meta he's been more active and involved as both town and scum in prior games. So, is there some kind of meta analysis you've done that's determined he'd be more likely to behave like this as scum than as town? | ||
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On June 18 2014 06:11 Chezinu wrote: Mafia is so chill that they are not even coming after me. *stretch* Looks like the game is about to start. You guys got to ask yo selves, who loves Chez? I am waiting with bated breath. | ||
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On June 17 2014 08:28 27ninjabunnies wrote: Gah, Release is sooo town for me. I would really like to hear an explanation on this. I mean this is a strong read, surely you have something to say on the subject. On June 17 2014 09:53 27ninjabunnies wrote: This vote on me is absolutely awful. I don't have the will to argue against it tonight, so I'll do it tomorrow. Night. Given that this is what she leaves us with. No reads or anything else, YKZ's case against her is looking to have some cred. I would very much so like to hear from her who her lead suspects are. | ||
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On June 18 2014 07:35 27ninjabunnies wrote: I am definitely not active. Sorry. Could give you a million excuses as to why, but Im pretty sure you don't gaf. Basically, family issues. Pretty bad things happened last night. Won't get into it. But I am back. Let me read up on the last few pages I have missed. If there is anything specific you want me to look at, I'll keep this page open and answer questions as I go along. I'll be around if you can convince me otherwise, but up to this point you've done little if anything to contribute to this game. This is super-hard to excuse given how much fluff you've given us. You deserve my vote.: ##Vote: Ninja For what it's worth I agree with sloosh that VE is another good candidate. The difference here tho is that ninja provides way more information than VE and therefore is the preferred lynch. | ||
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On June 18 2014 07:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay so GK agrees with me about basically everything all day, then decides that I'm a good lynch at the end of the day. Yeah, good luck guys. Let's clarify on this point: I've never said sloosh or mderg were scum so this is completely untrue. I've had you pegged as a lurker, which isn't by any means alignment-indicative. When you post stuff about lynching BH without recognizing he's actually in the game, it shows disinterest in figuring things out. At the best you're a townie too lazy to read. But when you lie about being historically too lazy to read BH, and are wishy-washy about giving up-front reads on persons such as sloosh you're looking scummy. | ||
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On June 18 2014 07:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: I don't see how everything I've said is fluff? I gave y reasoning on YKZ, and from what I'm reading, YKZ is basically all like "Oooh im the best player here. Yada yada yada. NB is scum. Yada yada yada. Look how godly I look." You know what I say to that? "EFF YOU" I might be a little pissed here. Also, I still think he is town. So let me read a bit, and I'll try and find scum for yall and atleast leave a legacy of some kind since I'm the one getting mislynched here, but hey, that's cool. First time for everything right? If you're being genuine then this post was a complete waste of your valuable time. | ||
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It's pretty clear he's not interested in keeping up with this game and is spewing whatever comes off the top of his head. Not clearly scum-aligned thought process, but a clear liability. And there's also that he lied about his history, which is pretty durned scummy. | ||
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On June 18 2014 08:35 Snickers wrote: Not changing my vote because I do not think 27nb is scum. No where else to consolidate. I think scum have won day one . 27nb ratio of supposed scuminess to actual scuminnes seems high. I think mafia are playing us very hard here . Maybe we will know for sure in 30 min(assuming 27 nb is lynched). I really find it weird how she is still bringing up my association of players. If she is shown mafia. My long shot preferable outcome is what we will all agree on. It seems that way. I think ykz is either really emotional or scum fooling town so well over multiple layers of thought If that's how you feel, and you have VE on your scumsuspect list then I encourage you to consolidate on VE. Between Mderg and VE, he's the better candidate. | ||
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On June 18 2014 08:40 27ninjabunnies wrote: I would actually pick Mderg over VE being scum How so? If you look at Mderg's past scumgame it was nothing like this. I'm of the belief he was legit busy. Don't have a good read on him yet, but at least he's willing to play the game. | ||
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On June 18 2014 08:47 27ninjabunnies wrote: Because I don't think Mderg's posting is of any substance, and Ive played town with him. Doesnt seem like townie game. VE's reads and posting seems more genuine to me. Mderg's seems just enough to get by. Also, why do you think VE is scum? I know I'm getting lynched here, but would still like your reasoning. Also ##Unvote ##Vote:mderg I've already explained VE. I will admit it's definitely not ironclad. Going to look at an mderg towngame real quick brb. | ||
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VE isn't getting lynched today apparently. | ||
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Also, policy lynching BH if he ever brings up Kenpachi rule again... | ||
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