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On June 26 2014 07:21 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? Are you for realz!?!??! I never said I got a goon check!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU FRAMES HIMS WITH THE GOON CHECK?!?!? You obviously didn't get medic, you can't get godfather, and if there was a roleblocker scum would have roleblocked artanis last night and shot you (remember, you didn't specify his medic type, so they'd need to RB him to be sure he didnt' save you again) so there wouldn't be a live chezinu to clarify his checks. Admittedly you could have gotten back framer, which I didn't consider.
Wow, you really did think through about killing me, didn't you?
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On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him?
Sure, I'm cool with dying.
Yes, that's basically the reason I think SlOosh is scum. Given your response, it seems like you are not sharing my views, am I correct?
Some more things:
-Snickers, I remember someone giving pretty solid arguments for why he was town. I don't really remember who or where but I remember getting convinced. His reads are just super off but yhea. Probably town here, agree/disagree?
-Release, I think his play is also really off. At first I thought that he was pretty confirmed town for his mderg vote but his vote actually came after mderg super wierd vote on Snickers. I'm getting a feeling that Release might have understood that mderg just fucked up too bad to be able to save in a good way at that point.
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On June 26 2014 07:24 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:21 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 07:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? Are you for realz!?!??! I never said I got a goon check!!! ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU FRAMES HIMS WITH THE GOON CHECK?!?!? You obviously didn't get medic, you can't get godfather, and if there was a roleblocker scum would have roleblocked artanis last night and shot you (remember, you didn't specify his medic type, so they'd need to RB him to be sure he didnt' save you again) so there wouldn't be a live chezinu to clarify his checks. Admittedly you could have gotten back framer, which I didn't consider. Wow, you really did think through about killing me, didn't you?
Well, you have been obviously the cop for a while. The only reason I didn't call you the cop at night was in case scum somehow didn't know-- if you could live another night and get another check, that's good. When you were alive and Artanis died, I tried to think about why scum wouldn't just rb the medic and shoot the cop, and the only reasonable answer is that they actually couldn't.
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Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone.
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On June 26 2014 07:16 Chezinu wrote:
Release, I know I haven't talked to you directly all game. But I have something very important to ask you. Why do you think there is a roleblocker in this game?
Did I say something about a roleblocker?
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On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone.
I was basically a town read for everyone for Days... They refuse to lynch me and refuse the kill me!! I mean it isn't that hard to make a case against Chezinu. You know what to prove my point I'm going to show you what I would of done if I was you.
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On June 26 2014 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? Sure, I'm cool with dying. Yes, that's basically the reason I think SlOosh is scum. Given your response, it seems like you are not sharing my views, am I correct? Some more things: -Snickers, I remember someone giving pretty solid arguments for why he was town. I don't really remember who or where but I remember getting convinced. His reads are just super off but yhea. Probably town here, agree/disagree? -Release, I think his play is also really off. At first I thought that he was pretty confirmed town for his mderg vote but his vote actually came after mderg super wierd vote on Snickers. I'm getting a feeling that Release might have understood that mderg just fucked up too bad to be able to save in a good way at that point.
I was summarizing. I'll take a look at the faulty reasoning of mderg defense, which is typically more telling of scum than just happening to push townies imo. The question isn't what a player does, but HOW the player does it. town can be right and town can be wrong, but they are right or wrong for reasons that make sense, at least to a townie. If SloOsh was really defending mderg for reasons that don't make sense then that's a solid reason for a scumread.
I did not like release before D3. However, throughout D3 he was willing to engage me and we had many long conversations, when I feel like as scum he just wouldn't have interacted in such a meaningful way. That being said, I'll take a look at my interactions with him and see if anything seemed off.
Snickers' chief point against him (in addition to some blantantly anti town play) is that he voted for mderg D1 but not D2, just like you and VE did. I don't like him.
On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone.
In terms of the Artanis shot, it seems very straightforward to me. He was the doc and scum needed to shoot him. The fact that scum shot him and not Chez means they probably didn't have an RB, else they'd have RBed him and killed the cop right away. Also, yes, like literally everyone had a townread on Artanis.
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Case Against Chez.
Chez has been mocking us all game. Look at him. Seriously look at his face!
On June 18 2014 08:59 Chezinu wrote: no bunny hops...
Before bunny dies, he sadfaces likes he knows he is town.
Again,
On June 24 2014 07:16 Chezinu wrote:Vote Count - Day 3: Lazermonkey (3): VisceraEyes, slOosh, Chezinu - Unvotes (2): Koshi, Release VisceraEyes (5): YouKnowZhou, Snickers, Koshi, Release, Lazermonkey - Unvotes (2): Lazermonkey, Chezinu Koshi (1): - Unvotes (2): Artanis[Xp], Lazermonke YouKnowZhou (0) - Unvotes (2): VisceraEyes, slOosh Currently Not Voting (1): Artanis[Xp] It looks like my dearest friend is going to die...
When his "dearest friend" was about to die, sadface again. It's like he knew VE was town.
Here is word to the medic before he dies:
On June 22 2014 10:40 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 10:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:17 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? Chez ur on the table today. Unless you can coherently tell me why you're suspicious of...whoever, then I'd consider lynching you today. I thought you loved me... On June 22 2014 10:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 22 2014 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 22 2014 10:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Woop woop.
From those two I prefer BH. I think BH's scum capabilities are far stronger than slOosh and I think slOosh has played a good game on D1 and N2. I tend to agree, though I can't just let go of the fact that he went absent during a scum lynch. What do you make of my observation right at the outset of N2, I'll quote to refresh ur memory. On June 21 2014 23:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I have been thinking about it lying in bed. If GK was killed for being so close to the truth where mderg is concerned, then I think a mafia BH would probably follow up the GK kill with a push on VE to ensure that mderg isn't targeted. A GK kill doesn't make sense followed up with a hard mderg push from a mafiaBH perspective I think. GK was getting suspicious of me before he was killed, so it makes sense from my perspective.
BH this means I'm giving you a pass tomorrow. I don't mean to offend, but PLEASE don't waste 90% of it blathering on about how confirmed town you are and how godly you are and shit. That's annoying and doesn't help anyone find mafia, not even you. I believe I need to refresh your memory. On June 22 2014 02:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Actually VE, I went through goodkarma's filter and he's not really suspecting mderg in my opinion. There were other people that he definitely pushed harder like BH and Release. Where do you get it from that he died because he was close to finding out mderg? On June 22 2014 10:11 Chezinu wrote:On June 22 2014 10:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people we're not lynching today:
Artanis
Snickers
VisceraEyes
Release
Probably not lynching slOosh or Chez either, so that leaves BH, Lazer and Koshi. Those three candidates are the people I want to focus on, though slOosh and Chez are fair game too if you have a good case. Why would you even consider lynching a confirmed town? I'm not sure why you're confirmed town. Cause they said so.. On June 21 2014 03:01 Chezinu wrote:
I have looked at everyone posts and came to a conclusion.
People who think Chezinu is town:
2. VisceraEyes
3. YouKnowZhou
5. Snickers
7. Lazermonkey
8. Release
9. mderg
10. Artanis[Xp]
11. Koshi
12. slOosh
Chezinu is town
The mafia are never wrong when it comes to knowing who is town. They are too scared to risk stating that I am Mafia. So, I just your untypical lunatic. It's Great to be Confirmed Town! I have never stated that I have a strong townread on you. I'm only mildly reading you as town because your votes have been in the right place in the end and because mderg has pushed you. You haven't really provided much so it's difficult for anyone to get a read on you, town or scum. On June 22 2014 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:Must have missed that. On June 17 2014 22:37 goodkarma wrote:On June 17 2014 21:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 21:23 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 17 2014 20:42 mderg wrote:On June 17 2014 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote:So I wrote this big post about why I think slOosh is mafia because he thinks Artanis is mafia, but then as I started picking apart slOosh's reasoning I find that I'm really not so strongly feeling townie on Artanis, and that slOosh's reasoning is as bad as it was at first glance. So I removed the bit about Artanis and frankly it's not nearly as impressive. I've included it in a spoiler because I'm still tentatively scummy on slOosh, but the crux of my argument is garbage and the rest can possibly be just me misreading slOosh's intention or whatever. Would probably vote for slOosh if he said nothing more today, but right now I'm looking elsewhere because I don't really find my case super convincing myself. I maintain that he doesn't /feel/ town to me, but concede that it's quite possible that I'm just wrong here. + Show Spoiler +Why slOosh is Mafia Early on his play can be categorized as asking a lot of questions. A lot of questions. This is okay I guess, if you take his probing as a means to get reads on players. However, the problem I have is that all through his filter, ne'ry is there a read on anyone involved in the early game. He can be seen defending a couple of players...which I don't find to be particularly indicative either way, but it always seems to come with an out too so meh. Ultimately we've got: +- Asking a lot of early questions that don't seem to go anywhere. +- Defending players before they can defend themselves. - Never gives reads on players involved in early game, in spite of interacting with many of them through various questions. - In spite of posting a fair amount, doesn't feel town For now I want to hear what slOosh has to say before voting for him, but we'll call him my top scumread for the sake of argument. As for other players, as always I absolutely refuse to read BH this cycle. Chez seems to be Chez, which means he'll be alive until we lynch him regardless of his alignment. I'd like to see where this Artanis/slOosh stuff goes. I'm now kinda townreading Release now that he's proven a proclivity toward verbosity in all matters. mgerg is more guilty of rehashing than Release ever was, and in a way I find to be far more scummy. I think based on his (presumably only) D1 post that he's my favorite lynch today. I find his entire post to be wishywashy and diplomatic and scummy, and considering it may be all we get from him this cycle I'm fine with lynching him.##Vote: mderg That´s some solid reasoning there. At least be specific in some way. Right now your case on me is basically that my post feels kinda scummy. Also I can assure you that it´s not all you get from me this cycle. "You may theoretically not post any more in this cycle, so I´m fine lynching you". Like you´re not even interested in my play and just want me lynched for starting the game a bit late. Overall a really lazy vote on me without much to back it up. Wait a minute. If his case on you is that your posts feel kinda scummy then it makes perfect sense. If you agree with his reasoning, however, is another story. It would make sense to read someone as scum, if his posts feel scummy. But that´s not why you vote someone. The case sucks because it´s highly subjective and has no real substance. I think making a case just based on a post feeling scummy is terrible. It is worth mentioning that a vote on you up until you suddenly came to life was a lurker vote. Like magic, a vote is cast on you and you come alive not to pursue any of your reads, but to defend yourself. Would you mind clarifying your read on Release? This is the point you're most wishy-washy about in your opening post. Like apparently unflipped people piling on him gives you townie vibes, while a virtually nonexistent case made by Artansis makes you think he's looking scummy? And said nonexistent case is stronger than sloosh's case? Please do explain. This was the post that solidified my read on mderg - he mentioned something I also noticed (and mentioned actually) and he ended up dying in the night. However beyond this you're right, at the end of the day he ended up on the "mderg town" side of things. :/ Frankly the only thing I can see GK being killed for is either a busted role-hunt or to implicate me somehow (he ended up scummy on me at the end of the day). Good to know. Yeah, I don't think he was killed because he had a strong read on mderg. He might've simply been killed because his critical thinking was strong and I did explicitly point out a strong post of his, which might've cemented his fate. His death incriminates YKZ and Release more than you, I feel, as he was on their asses for more of the game. On June 22 2014 10:19 Release wrote:On June 21 2014 18:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
No Release, I'm desperate to give someone bonus points. Now stop focussing on Snickers, he's not scum. Your attention is better suited for just about anyone that isn't me/snickers/lazer. On June 21 2014 21:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On June 21 2014 21:14 Koshi wrote:
Artanis probably meant the mderg vote. If it brought Snickers in the lead it looks pretty good for Snickers. Snickers was on mderg his ass so mderg might have gotten greedy. Mderg didnt move to bh when he could, so why move to a teammate?
I am back condemned to phone posting for today.
My fav lynch for tomorrkw is VE or lazermonkey. I agree that the vote put it him the spotlight but it was so obviously extremely strange. I dont see why town would do it. Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I think your lynch targets are bad though. Also, the town reasoning should be obvious; he thought YKZ was more scummy than mderg, so he tried to get YKZ lynched. Please explain like I'm 5 why Snickers (and you and lazer) were supposed to be confirmed town. Also, why lazer is no longer in such a position. Snickers is confirmed town because Mderg delurked to vote him last minute which put him over the edge in votes. I'm confirmed town because read the game. Lazer was confirmed town because of his late vote that felt too scummy to be scum, but I'm rescinding that because other things in his filter ring some alarms that make me uncertain if that is true. I'm going to bed now. Good, you were getting a bit sleep deprived with your reads on me. Operaton End FISH RIP is over! Unless you wake up feeling better about me. PS: Day 5 is the key.
He told him that operation "End FISH RIP" aka "Friendship" is over. You know what happened next? Yeah, he died..
Now, look at Chez today...
On June 26 2014 05:42 Chezinu wrote:##Vote Lazermonkeyezpz.  I'm totally going to day tonight right? Well, at least VE died first. I did say I was talk to The Sheriff with him. GG
Smilie face... A STINKING SMILIE FACE!! Do you know what this means?!?!? If Lazermonkey is scum, then Chezinu is totally bussing him and in his arrogance Trolling with all of town!!
Oh wait.. nm.. I guess that wouldn't work for you LM.... I guess you couldn't possibly make a fake case against me.. All those smilies... all the cryptic messages.. what is town to do?
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On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone.
He made two posts about how I may be suspicious (I don't think that constitutes "pushing ... quite a bit":
One for an "inconsistency" which I explained.
Second for a meta read comparing himself to me, which I also explained.
The post immediately after those two is one that attacks YKZ (for similar reasoning as mine), something that only I was doing.
Seems like he pushed me at first, was satisfied by my response, and then started to hunt elsewhere.
Lo and behold, another instance of the grasping at straws and casting suspicion that I mentioned earlier.
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On June 26 2014 07:59 YouKnowZhou wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:25 Lazermonkey wrote:On June 26 2014 07:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 26 2014 06:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
I actually urge you to look at SlOosh filter. I mean, Also look at my filter and look for stuff about SlOosh. Even if you are 100% sure I'm scum you still need to figure out the other scum. I've explained several times why I think he is scum already, including:
- Defends mderg alot. Yet he gives very weak/no reasoning on why he is defending mderg. It boils down to him saying that he doesn't like the mderg lynch.
- ALL of his major pushes has been on people that are town (Artanis, VE, Bunnies, me) except for YKZ. And since I think YKZ supertown, this also implies that SlOosh has only really pushed town this game. I'm aware of the fact that you don't know my alignment nor do you know YKZ's alignment but keep this point in mind when I flip since this should also increase your townread on YKZ.
- Is very eager to vote YKZ over me D3. Yet now he completly drops his read on YKZ to focus only on me. Isn't this convenient given that I am the number 1 lynch target?
I'd also like to point out, once again, that I think Release's reason for thinking that SlOosh is town is BS. While asking question IS good, it is very non-commital. Telling people to stop creating chaos is also good but once again, non-commital. Look LM what I'm trying to get at here is that if you're dead anyways, let's just make the best of it. I still think you have a decent chance of flipping town, but let's be real here: there's a red check on you. You have to be lynched. So I'm not 100% sure you're scum, but I *am* 100% sure you're getting lynched today. The first step to being productive with the next 24 hours is going to be you accepting that you're getting lynched and making the best of it. So when it comes down to it, your case on sloOsh consists of him pushing townies and defending mderg with faulty reasoning, and on D4 focusing you over me (I'm assuming you're talking about before chez claimed a goon check on you). Does this accurately characterize your reasons for wanting to lynch him? Sure, I'm cool with dying. Yes, that's basically the reason I think SlOosh is scum. Given your response, it seems like you are not sharing my views, am I correct? Some more things: -Snickers, I remember someone giving pretty solid arguments for why he was town. I don't really remember who or where but I remember getting convinced. His reads are just super off but yhea. Probably town here, agree/disagree? -Release, I think his play is also really off. At first I thought that he was pretty confirmed town for his mderg vote but his vote actually came after mderg super wierd vote on Snickers. I'm getting a feeling that Release might have understood that mderg just fucked up too bad to be able to save in a good way at that point. I was summarizing. I'll take a look at the faulty reasoning of mderg defense, which is typically more telling of scum than just happening to push townies imo. The question isn't what a player does, but HOW the player does it. town can be right and town can be wrong, but they are right or wrong for reasons that make sense, at least to a townie. If SloOsh was really defending mderg for reasons that don't make sense then that's a solid reason for a scumread. I did not like release before D3. However, throughout D3 he was willing to engage me and we had many long conversations, when I feel like as scum he just wouldn't have interacted in such a meaningful way. That being said, I'll take a look at my interactions with him and see if anything seemed off. Snickers' chief point against him (in addition to some blantantly anti town play) is that he voted for mderg D1 but not D2, just like you and VE did. I don't like him. Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 07:46 Lazermonkey wrote:
Went back and analyzed both Artanis's and GK's filter. While we can only speculate on why they got shot we do know that they got shot for a reason
People have already tried to get a grip of the GK-shot. Most people had him as townie after D1 IIRC so it makes a bit of sense to shoot him none the less. He was also suspcious of mderg. What I haven't seen someone say (and this may be because I simply missed it, CBA to look through all pages really...) is that he was pushing Release quite a bit. This makes Release look a little worse IMO.
As for Artanis's filter its kinda hard. I think he got shot simply for the fact that he was a town read for basically everyone. In terms of the Artanis shot, it seems very straightforward to me. He was the doc and scum needed to shoot him. The fact that scum shot him and not Chez means they probably didn't have an RB, else they'd have RBed him and killed the cop right away. Also, yes, like literally everyone had a townread on Artanis.
Okay. Totally agree on the part about the difference about defending townies. While you pushing Bunnies to death didn't exactly make you look super good, you could at least look at you and tell what exactly it were that you found scummy with Bunnies.
I'll go to bed now. Will be able to post a bit tomorrow as well. Everyone, I urge you not to just wait for my flip. Use the time wisely. I'd be happy to answer questions also, since I'll be modconfirmed townie in about 24 hours. Don't ask me question about myself though. I know I will be lynched.
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On June 25 2014 06:29 Snickers wrote:
Mr. Harp reporting. It's official that under questioning, NameDropper has no clue what is being asked of him and decides to reply to something off topic. The only other possibility are team of detectives have considered was maybe he is delusional.
In actual news, how about you start thinking clearly like ykz and Lazermonkey.
Day 2 votes I was busy so I had to consolidate early. W/e you make out of that. Anyway time for me to come clean. I do not know if this is the best move, but I think it will be good for me and chezinu to compare notes. I am the Detective.
Here was the message when I was afraid of dying. Day one I checked YKZ and he was reported back town.
Day two I checked Lazer and he came town.
Day three I checked SLoosh and he became town.
I originally thought my the trick to my role was trying to guess who was getting lynched. So I thought YKZ was getting lycnhed day two. I thought Lazer day three Then I figured out that after I have lived for awhile, it is more about good checks. Anyway I checked sloosh after learning this.
So Chezinu does this help you? Hopefully Lazer is scum.
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lol back to came to became, owell you guys get the point. Anyway Lazer getting lynched, If he is scum, his role will help us out alot.
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I was framed, you're insane. Npnp.
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Or one godfather and one framer who framed himself? Possible.
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Or I'm insane and release and koshi are scum. One of them framed ykz then lazer then you. The world may never know.
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Thank you!!! You totally help my red/blue blindness. I had a red/blue read on Koshi this game. YKZ is possible godfather. Sorry for wanting the vigi to shoot you earlier... I'm a bit red/blue blind.
Question: Game balance wise, how many blue roles do you think town has? Based on how many we have now, I'm pretty sure the other two mafia are special roles.
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I was going to wait until tomorrow, but I was joking about role checking Lazermonkey in order to get more reads. Wanted to see his reaction if he believe me or not to decipher if he was really mafia or not. Guess who I really did check?
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Hmm, actually I will wait until tomorrow to reveal my checks.
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But chezinu, if I follow you now and for some reason cannot change my vote.... You are too confusing. Anyway , why do you believe me, does my info match you perfectly or have my actions proved me town.
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On June 26 2014 14:44 Snickers wrote:
But chezinu, if I follow you now and for some reason cannot change my vote.... You are too confusing. Anyway , why do you believe me, does my info match you perfectly or have my actions proved me town.
Mafia Framer
You can change yours or someone's appearance to the investigative roles as you see fit for a night.
Mafia Godfather
Can change his appearance to the investigative roles as he sees fit. During N1 you need to PM me what role you want to appear as for the rest of the game. If you do not you shall be Vanilla Townie.
With these two, your role is meaningless. Plus, you never breadcrumbed any check info.. I think I understand where you are coming from now.. It's ok if I die, you don't have to take my place. VE has already died.
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