Normal Mini Mafia LVI - Page 13

On June 17 2014 12:12 Release wrote:
As I have said more than once now about the VT claim:
Yes she mentions it in post above her vote. Yes she says "another."
However, the fact that the sentences after that and the vote form a coherent independent sequence of events strongly suggests to me that the primary reason (and ultimately only relevant reason, otherwise we all would have seen a vote in the first post questioning the VT claim) was the "limited information." Therefore, I have reviewed my actions and statements (more than once now) and they are correct.

Yes, we have roles but if you read the OP closely, the Mafia Godfather sends his role on N1 or Night 1 which is after today. We have no reason to believe that any other role acts before Night 1. Therefore, no roles have any more information than anyone else except the mafia, who know exactly who is town, and who is mafia. AND, if you have been following closely, "limited information" was an intentional "scumslip" to solicit the use of the Kenpachi rule. However, my reasoning for the YKZ lynch is not for the utterance of "limited information" but for the actions that YKZ took afterwards.

I am not wrong. However, this is the second (or more?) time that you have claimed that I am wrong, and I have had to repeat myself (which of course will cause Artanis to give his mandatory "omg release stop rehashing" speech).

And in the bolded section (3 posts before this), the connection is not as glaring as the fact that you say "Another reason i am leaning towards 27nb, is if she is shown as scum, YKZ would then almost be proven as a town player and we would have a knowledgeable town player and only two more scum to hunt. " which does not make sense at all. (Again) wanting someone (YKZ) as town does not make the other player (27bn) mafia, but you say that regardless which is ridiculous.

On June 17 2014 12:44 Release wrote:
Not on day 1 and there is no point in talking about it on day 1.

I read it and it does not excuse illogical play. Regardless of 0/1/2 of 2 scum, you wish does not affect their roles. You soft retract your statement by saying it's a bad reason, but why say it in the first place if that is the case?

On June 17 2014 13:05 Release wrote:
If you read the original situation in which the information is said, the information relates to 27nb calling out 3 purported mafia and YKZ saying she has less information. It pertains to knowing who and who isn't mafia, and in this case, VT and PR are equally informed (since it is day 1). Knowing there is a pr does not in any way help call out 3 mafia. Therefore it is the same and we should stop talking about PRs.

On June 17 2014 03:22 YouKnowZhou wrote:


I think my most recent post demonstrates that 27nb's attention is drawn towards statements about her, rather than incriminating things I say-- even a bad townie would naturally respond to me saying things like "I lied to decieve town because I thought I could get away with it", whereas scum regardless of badness would naturally respond to me saying kenpachi rule but NOT respond to additional evidence. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of mindset. A townie, even a new townie (I remember being one), when thyey have a scumread on someone and that person does something really scummy, they RESPOND to it. they add it to their case. It's the natural thought process of a town player REGARDLESS of skill.

27nb is not showing this natural thought process. Look at her responses to my posts. Is she responding to things I say that are scummy or inconsistent and pointing out their inconsistency? Or is she just shouting about my first post whenever she gets the chance, and not actually trying to convince people to lynch me based on new evidence that emerges? A townie who was really tunnelled on me would LOVE to point out new scummy things I say, because he's still trying to formulate and develop a case. 27nb is always talking about me, sure, but look at WHAT she's responding to. Not the stuff a townie would.

On June 17 2014 07:29 VisceraEyes wrote:

I think this post makes slOosh scum. DETAILS AT ELEVEN!!!

On June 17 2014 14:15 goodkarma wrote:
I know BH can get busy etc., but given that he has literally done nothing but tunnel one player at this point using a rather baseless argument, I believe he's playing more to his scumgame than his towngame. As such, he earns my vote.:

##Vote: YouKnowZhou

YouKnowZhou doesn't seem very interested in figuring out other players, YouKnowZhou doesn't seem to care about literally anything but jumping at ninja repeatedly with the same argument, YouKnowZhou is scum by his own argument.:



In short, YKZ holds ninja to be scum because ninja didn't evolve her case, while YKZ really hasn't evolved his... It's still about Kenpachi rule, and he holds ninja to a different standard than he is holding himself. A standard which makes her scum while he somehow is not...

On June 17 2014 14:22 Snickers wrote:
I think i have been posting a lot.

I am also surprised you chose to vote YKZ rather than Release. Your two posts prior to your vote posts were leaning towards him. Is it normal in mafia games for the votes to be spread like this?

On June 17 2014 14:42 goodkarma wrote:


Barring that someone jumps up and down screaming he/she's scum, yes there's generally some degree of vote distribution. And that's where consolidating becomes key to help prevent the sway of scum influence on the vote and produce as much information as possible. And while I, and I am sure several others here, are more than happy to answer questions such as this one they're better suited for asking a coach in a newbie game. Here, they're just going to distract from whatever you have to say and fluff your filter, so I would urge you to use them sparingly and only when you absolutely need to know something you can't find out from somewhere like mafiascum.net wiki.


I do believe that there's a decent chance Release could be scum. However, unlike YKZ he's willing to come in and answer questions. He's continuing to post and and YKZ is not. It doesn't sit very well with me seeing him voting for the same guy I am, but association based deductions day one is not something I can realistically do. Independent of everything else YKZ is looking scummier to me right now than Release. Therefore he gets my vote.

On June 17 2014 14:41 YouKnowZhou wrote:


First off Kenpachi rule clearly doesn't apply to me since 27nb hasn't claimed VT and Kenpachi Rule Extended doesn't apply either since I've addressed her continuing filter (and her continuing non-addressal of my filter). Secondly I tunnel who I want, when I want, and there's nothing you or anyone else can do to stop my tunnelling. Stop your so-called "thought process" for a moment here and think about this possibility: 27nb is scum. Why would I devote my time to all you guys silly cases on people like artanis or Release-- oh wait, I already did that, and pointed out my reads, and hey, looks like 27nb is STILL SCUM.

I'd like you to take a moment to contemplate what you're saying here. You're saying that I, YKZ (supposedly Blazinghand) am tunnelling someone, and that the fact that I'm monomaniacally focused on my target indicates that I am... wait for it... scum?

._.

You forget the real situation, which is that I'm monomaniacally focused on my target because my target is in fact scum.. Put yourself in my shoes. You have caught scum. Who are you gonna vote? Are you gonna vote, push on, and develop your case on scum? Or are you gonna do something useless and awful? Well, many people call me useless and awful, but I'm not. Instead of being useless and awful, I'm voting 27nb and have shown that 27nb's continued mindset was in fact indicative of a scum alignment. So... I'm still voting 27nb. Would you look at that, my logic makes sense, unlike the logic of, say, illogical people. Now, you are a logical person, GK. I know this because you and me, we're like *this* (makes gesture). So as a logical person, I want you to take a look at how I play as scum (you've known my scum play well) and how I play as town, and realize that the logical side is my side.

I will say that I still have to digest 27nb's back-off in response to the lynch on her getting traction. It seems like such an obviously scummy move that it almost falls into "too scummy to be scum" territory, though of course such territory is meaningless anyways. I can't get why she'd do this as scum, except of course to make me think that thought. I'll sleep on it, I suppose.

On June 17 2014 14:48 YouKnowZhou wrote:


wtf, I answer like every question, even the "million dollar question" Probably like at least 10% of my freaking filter is dealing with the inane questions of hopeless proles who are begging for my time. believe it or not, GK, I was not placed into this game to serve you. I am not a servant. I am not a slave. I am not an indentured servant who is working off the debt he accrued paying for his passage to the "new world". No, I'm Blazinghand, the best player on TL Mafia, Claimer Extraordinary and Intelligent, He Who Doesn't Always Make Cases, But When He Does He Doesn't, The Catcher of the Three, The RNG Lyncher of Odin. Can you mess with those titles?

You can't, that's right. So if you want me to answer your alleged "questions" or respond to your so-called "posts" you'll need to do better than that. Actually, I guess you wouldn't need to do better than this post, since I am in fact responding to it, but you get the idea. I've written the best, most coherent case in this entire thread. There are nations that bow down before me (metaphorically speaking) because of the amazing case I've written on 27nb. In fact, GK, why aren't you answering my questions, huh? Oh, that's right, I guess I didn't ask any. Well, fair enough, you win this round. But the point I'm getting at is: My filter stands for itself and my positions stand for themselves. 27nb has done nothing, I repeat, nothing to make me think that she is town this game, except maybe back off of me in a weird way.

As far as I can see, I see no reason not to lynch her, and as far as I can see, I don't see why you don't see a reason not to lynch her.

On June 17 2014 15:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
itt BH appeals to authority while smurfing. And he ISN'T the leading lynch yet?

On June 17 2014 15:42 goodkarma wrote:
And the Artanis comment I suppose is an opinion, but one I'd argue doesn't really say much about his alignment.

On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:
I almost forgot about this due to the world cup

The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid.
They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this.

I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies

I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play.

So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments.
I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read.

It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you".

I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time.


Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy.

I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others.

I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him.

Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow.


##vote 27ninjabunnies