EPTNormal Mini Mafia LVI - Page 10
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slOosh
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
A bruised man visits the doctor. He tells the doctor that he saw the sheriff on a long stretch of road just outside of town. The sheriff was approached by two shadowed figures, a small figure and a large figure. The tall figure had its face obscured by a dark cap. The small figure was deformed, a scar running from the left side of his mouth. The rest of their figures obscured by the eclipsing sun. The man mentioned seeing a package delivered to the sheriff from these two gentlemen, whom then spotted him. He ran away as fast as he could as gunfire followed him. He fell on his face from a branch, then hid in the bushes. He overheard the two talking after they gave up their search. "It doesn't matter anyway. Operation Hyrule can no longer be stopped." Are you familiar with the codeword Hyrule? What does it mean? | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:13 slOosh wrote: Hmm, not quite feeling the flaming spears of logic and justice yet. I think my most recent post demonstrates that 27nb's attention is drawn towards statements about her, rather than incriminating things I say-- even a bad townie would naturally respond to me saying things like "I lied to decieve town because I thought I could get away with it", whereas scum regardless of badness would naturally respond to me saying kenpachi rule but NOT respond to additional evidence. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of mindset. A townie, even a new townie (I remember being one), when thyey have a scumread on someone and that person does something really scummy, they RESPOND to it. they add it to their case. It's the natural thought process of a town player REGARDLESS of skill. 27nb is not showing this natural thought process. Look at her responses to my posts. Is she responding to things I say that are scummy or inconsistent and pointing out their inconsistency? Or is she just shouting about my first post whenever she gets the chance, and not actually trying to convince people to lynch me based on new evidence that emerges? A townie who was really tunnelled on me would LOVE to point out new scummy things I say, because he's still trying to formulate and develop a case. 27nb is always talking about me, sure, but look at WHAT she's responding to. Not the stuff a townie would. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:16 27ninjabunnies wrote: Understandable, which is why I'm trying to move conversation from YKZ and Is fighting elsewhere to get more reads. People did that in cell badly, and I used it to my advantage as mafia. I still think using associations as town is helpful. Plus I'm getting reads based off what I'm writing and how people question my theories. It's quite interesting. I think you are town. I want to be right on YKZ, but I know in a game of mafia, I could be wrong. I don't see how this makes me scummy for wanting to be right on a top scumread? Why do you think using associations between unflipped players is helpful in the current situation? Why do you think I'm town? Do you have any current scumreads other than YKZ? It's scummy because it's something to fall back on. If your arguments fall apart it gives you a reason to continue pushing him, or when the heat returns on him after it disappears you can easily go after him again. It gives you an opening. On June 17 2014 03:17 slOosh wrote: How is Release the perpetrator if it started as a spat between YKZ and 27nb? He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Also, yes, the other point was the limited information. Still not sure how this makes me scummy? Your logic here to me seems super bad. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:21 slOosh wrote: Lazermonkey, what is the "scummy stuff" that bunnies is backpedaling from? The quick version: 1. Bunnies says that YKZ's VT claim is wierd and that she doesn't like it. 2. Bunnies says that ANOTHER thing the she doesn't like about YKZ is his "scum slip". Bunnes votes for YKZ. 3. YKZ votes Bunnies because Kenpachi rule. 4. Bunnies claims that the VT claim wasn't a reason she voted YKZ. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you think using associations between unflipped players is helpful in the current situation? Why do you think I'm town? Do you have any current scumreads other than YKZ? It's scummy because it's something to fall back on. If your arguments fall apart it gives you a reason to continue pushing him, or when the heat returns on him after it disappears you can easily go after him again. It gives you an opening. He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic. You are town because you seem t be trying to figure things outside of ykz and me, rather than just jumping on a bw lynch of one of us. I like this. Scum outside of YKZ, actually not sure. Not many people have talked in order for me to get a super great read on them. I'm a bit iffy on snickers. Also, if I notice associations now, after the flip, the associations become more clear. It's how I've always played the game. I notice connections before flip. It's something we do in video mafia, especially since usually in video mafia, you have no flips. You have to base everything solely on reads and connections. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:28 Lazermonkey wrote: The quick version: 1. Bunnies says that YKZ's VT claim is wierd and that she doesn't like it. 2. Bunnies says that ANOTHER thing the she doesn't like about YKZ is his "scum slip". Bunnes votes for YKZ. 3. YKZ votes Bunnies because Kenpachi rule. 4. Bunnies claims that the VT claim wasn't a reason she voted YKZ. 4. It wasn't the MAIN reason I voted YKZ. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: It may be that I worded myself poorly. Look at my response to SlOosh. The fact that you voted YKZ before he voted you is exactly what I am getting at. You didn't say anything about that the VT claim wasn't important untill after he voted you because of Kenpachi.@Lazer- it is no lie that I was weirded out by the vt claim. You can obviously see that. but notice I voted YKZ before he voted me. So your last paragraph makes no sense? I don't vote YKZ until he votes me with kenpachi rule? I voted before that and he omgus the vote instead of actually giving reasons as to why I am scummy. Also, yes, the other point was the limited information. Still not sure how this makes me scummy? Your logic here to me seems super bad. | ||
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slOosh
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:34 Lazermonkey wrote: It may be that I worded myself poorly. Look at my response to SlOosh. The fact that you voted YKZ before he voted you is exactly what I am getting at. You didn't say anything about that the VT claim wasn't important untill after he voted you because of Kenpachi. So here, I know I'm town. Which means the kenpachi rule doesn't apply to me, and I know it doesn't apply to me because I am not scum, and it catches scum, not town. I looked at your response, and responded. That's why the vt claim isn't important on the BASIS of the kenpachi rule. But I do find it weird he had the need to claim VT. But it wasnt my main reason for voting him. | ||
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YouKnowZhou
United States262 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:36 slOosh wrote: Alright YKZ - the million dollar question. What's your read on Artanis? Townie, for this post: On June 17 2014 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Snickers, you mentioned that you felt Release made a good post before, now you accuse him of twisting your words to hurt you. What's your overall read on him? If he were scum and just trying to get a counterwagon rolling he wouldn't ask a nuanced question on someone's changing opinion of his push target. The case on Release isn't good, obviously, but the follow-up indicates town mindset. You don't see scum making a post like this. | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:33 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I'm not really interested in discussing this further with you. My goal isn't to make you confess in the thread. Its to convince the others.4. It wasn't the MAIN reason I voted YKZ. It is basically that it is impossible for us to know that what you are claiming is true or not. Based on what you wrote earlier I do find it more likely that you are scum than that you are town though. | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:40 Lazermonkey wrote: Okay, I'm not really interested in discussing this further with you. My goal isn't to make you confess in the thread. Its to convince the others. It is basically that it is impossible for us to know that what you are claiming is true or not. Based on what you wrote earlier I do find it more likely that you are scum than that you are town though. Understandable: also ##Unvote I know this is not going to get votes off of me, and I'm fine with that. But YKZ's last few posts have been a bit towny, especially his read on Artansis. I'm starting to worry we are two town fighting. I also don't want my judgement clouded by my vote on YKZ and would like to hear more from other people. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:48 27ninjabunnies wrote: But YKZ's last few posts have been a bit towny, especially his read on Artansis.  | ||
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Sorry, I'm getting used to this new keyboard. I've made multiple spelling mistakes. Artanis* | ||
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slOosh
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
On June 17 2014 03:58 slOosh wrote: Could you explain how his read on Artanis is towny? Because that was one of the reasons I was reading artanis as townie. YKZ seems to be in the same mindset as me, even though his read on me is completely wrong, but I'm kay with that. Our discussion has caused many people to talk and comment on things. Initially my calling YKZ was reaction testing. (I mean I did say YKZ and two others were scummy just to get conversation going). I didn't necessarily like how YKZ jumped on me, but that's okay too. Then I vtoed him. And many people voted and commented on either side of us. I got reads from that, and Im sure YKZ did too. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy. ##Vote Release Here is his first post, top of page 8. There are many unnatural things about this post. First is his complaining tone. We are only 5 pages in, and yet he calls it all "bullshit". It's totally out of place and unnatural. Then he moves away from it and blames Release. Two things here. One is that he does nothing to either comment on, or figure out said "bullshit". No reads or questions on either YKZ / 27nb. Nothing to try to figure either one out. Just a straight up dismissal of the whole thing, and moving on to someone else. Next is how he blames Release for it all. When I press him on this issue: On June 17 2014 03:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Release made a giant post about stuff that was really boring so I didn't get very far in it. The first part is definitely rehash. You're right in that he did add some original content afterwards though. Wordiness being alignment null is debatable but that debate wouldn't go anywhere so let's agree to disagree on that. Nothing but fluff. He doesn't offer any meaningful reason why Release is scum. Look at the backpedaling. "oh yea I guess he added content. I could argue that wordiness isn't alignment null but I won't". He doesn't really care to convince me or others why he finds Release scum. He just wants to put his vote somewhere to look like he is contributing. He dodges the question the first time around so I ask him again: On June 17 2014 03:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He's the perpetrator of the conversation continuing about that specific topic. Ridiculous. Release is trying to make sense of the debacle, and Artanis is overexaggerating, blaming him for "perpetrating" this "bullshit", while making no effort to either figure out the YKZ / bunnies thing himself, nor make clear how Release is scum for it. Just vague handwaving and avoiding the biggest discussion topic at the time. Artanis is unnatural, Artanis is apathetic, Artanis is scum. ##Vote Artanis[Xp] | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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