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On June 15 2014 18:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:Teeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuu
Sup Bunnies! Hopefully, we get this game started. I'm excited to try some forum mafia. 
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On June 15 2014 20:53 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2014 18:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 15 2014 18:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 15 2014 18:08 Teemursu wrote:
/in
Enter Teemu. 8O) Teeeeeeeemmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuuu Sup Bunnies! Hopefully, we get this game started. I'm excited to try some forum mafia. I am excited I get to play with Teemu N0 incoming
Oh hi, me too, Nydus
Am really bad at haikus
Betting on my luck
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I hope you were joking Teemu........ say that line again to yourself
On June 15 2014 21:06 Teemursu wrote: Oh hi, me too, Nydus
There's a clue about that in the poem.
You should already know by now that I literally never joke.
Also, have you been to forums before?
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On June 16 2014 02:20 Epishade wrote:
...How many of you guys know each other?
I know you.
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On June 16 2014 03:19 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 03:10 Teemursu wrote:On June 16 2014 02:20 Epishade wrote:
...How many of you guys know each other? I know you. You been stalking me?
You don't need to know.
Anyways, is there a way to read someone's posts in isolation? Just in case you want to re-read someone, etc.
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Ok, I'm blind. I just found the filter button. 8O)
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I'd prefer EOD not to be at like 3am my time, since I still have work. I live in Finland, so my time zone is GMT +3.
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Oh right, if EOD is 9am @GMT -8, I have no problem myself.
Hope we find some decent compromise for everyone.
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On June 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote:
I love tiramisu
Let's roll town together! <3
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On June 17 2014 21:51 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 20:39 Teemursu wrote:On June 17 2014 20:36 kushm4sta wrote:
I love tiramisu Let's roll town together! <3 im not allowed to join this game :'(
Don't spread your love here, then! >:C
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HaruRH's case is solid.
Too town to be town.
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You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee.
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On June 18 2014 15:38 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote:
You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. This makes absolutely no sense.
Yes it does. You're using so many words, but you're actually not saying much.
And you're so defensive as well!
obvi mafia is obv...
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On June 18 2014 16:46 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2014 16:13 Teemursu wrote:On June 18 2014 15:38 Epishade wrote:On June 18 2014 14:34 Teemursu wrote:
You don't seem to understand that it would be -a terrible idea- to vote me off here. I am -pretty sure- he's mafia.
I've drawn some connections too. Cats is bussing Templar as mafia. Epishade Is mafia for voting me. HaruRH I don't think is town anymore, he's just trying to pocket me as mafia.
Mafia plise don't NK mee. This makes absolutely no sense. Yes it does. You're using so many words, but you're actually not saying much. And you're so defensive as well! obvi mafia is obv... Don't worry about Teemu... he's a dumb blonde. That means that he's either obvious mafia or horrible town. Like if I were the cop, which I may or may not be, Teemu is such a dumb blonde that my red check on him turned orange.
You'd think Nydus is a likeable player, but in reality he's just nasty... He's softing my role and trying to bury me, which I would think is him doing it as a VT, but the fact that this is literally the opposite of his town play makes me lean mafia on him.
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## Vote: NydusHerMain
He's gay.
What's your check, even? I bet it's something dumb like a green on me.
My check was red on a player who isn't even in the game! Templar never wrote /in after writing /out.
Mafia would never have this bad of a claim.
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Much wreckage. Well played, Haru.
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Haru, let's lynch Nydus first.
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On June 19 2014 03:14 Epishade wrote:
Has nobody placed any thought on Teemursu's blatantly errant logic apart from me and Nydus? In no way do any of his points make sense! Cats can't be bussing Templar! He changes his mind about Haruhi between posts without her even posting or discussion being brought up about her. When I vote for him based on these plays, he calls me scum! His plays don't make sense! Weak scum or bad town? Idk, but I want him gone. He's a detriment to society!
Please, sir! I pay my taxes, I follow the law and I take care of my kids! I even vote!
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Speaking of voting.
## Unvote
## Vote: NydusHerMain
Just needed to revote for "funsies".
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gUISE, we're all frends and shold just shill n- enjoy eech oders compony
EDIT: typo
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and iwth that
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srry nydus :c
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On June 19 2014 04:10 The_Templar wrote:
I am not available at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) or later, can it be pushed half an hour earlier?
I'm not actually trolling this time, but if the time is going to be around 4:00, this is really the best time possible time for me. Anything earlier, and I need to wake up at like 5am before I leave to work. 
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On June 19 2014 04:23 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:17 Teemursu wrote:On June 19 2014 04:10 The_Templar wrote:
I am not available at 04:00 GMT (+00:00) or later, can it be pushed half an hour earlier? I'm not actually trolling this time, but if the time is going to be around 4:00, this is really the best time possible time for me. Anything earlier, and I need to wake up at like 5am before I leave to work. Well, I can be here until the deadline, but I won't be available for hours after it. Even 5 minutes earlier would be very good for me.
5-10minutes is still perfect for me.
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Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia.
Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back.
My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad.
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On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker.
I don't like this.
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On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum.  Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game?
How DO you play town? Let's talk!
Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike?
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On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it?
The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.
Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads?
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On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything.
Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum.
I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it.
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On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads.
Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed.
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On June 21 2014 23:28 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:22 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. What's video mafia? I've seen someone play like 5-minute chat mafia, which was fairly terrifying haha It's like IRL mafia except online I think? edit: online, by video, sort of like Skype + video chat That would make sense
Yeah, it's exactly like that. Playing when you can see people's faces is so different from this. Even though you can read into the writer's tone and such, all kinds of bodyreads and facial reactions are gone. Things can even get kind of heated sometimes on video. We play on twitch.tv/dailymafia.
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On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia.
So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out.
I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on.
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On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum
Hi, Nydus.
It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you.
I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O)
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On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum.
If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum?
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On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum?
Sorry, I misread you. You did say that you don't think it was a play. Would like to hear your thoughts anyway!
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On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read?
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On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all.
Will do.
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner.
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On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully.
Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much.
In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats?
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On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing.
I'm mostly on the same page with you here.
On June 21 2014 23:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Basically you look out for people coming up with bad reasoning to lynch people, calling them on it and judging their responses to determine their alignment. Or you ask a lot of questions, fish for information, try to make people post more. The more people post the easier it is to determine their alignment. You're not just trying to find scum, you're trying to find town as well. That's the way i play at least.
So far TheKingOfCats hasn't been doing any of these things.
Are you saying you don't post much in mafia games or on forums in general?
What was a direct response to that post?
Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all.
I don't feel like any of the questions you've asked so far are pushing forward what you call your town play. You're not trying to find any scum/town nor trying to make people post about anything relevant.
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Depending on how rest of the day plays out, I feel like I'm probably going to vote on either TheKingOfCats or Meatpudding today. Hobbitus so far is on the fence with me. If he doesn't believe the world where both Templar and I are mafia, I would like to hear from him about rest of the game.
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Hi guys, I just woke up. Once I get my fix of video mafia, I'll be posting. I'm not going to catch up just yet, but if anyone has any questions or wants to talk a bit, let's do it! 8O)
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On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much.
It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE Meatpudding
I'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea.
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On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more?
I'll quickly read his filter whenever I die/during nightphase in video mafia. I'll get back to you soon.
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##Vote Meatpudding
Not sure about formatting?
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On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point?
What are the scum vibes?
I don't like your push on me. You jump into speculating about next night's night kills before even giving a good explanation/analysis of why I am coming off as scum.
I understand we're all newer players here, but please don't think someone is scum because they think you are scum or are pushing you to get reads. As I said before, I can't really figure out if you're mafia or just a newer player.
I would like for you to give your reads on people that haven't really been interacting with you. I would also really like to see you place a vote on someone. Voting on someone doesn't mean you have to stick by it, and it shows that you are willing to push on people and try to find mafia.
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On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend
Hi, jabber, what do you think of Meatpudding and Cats?
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On June 22 2014 14:45 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:38 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 13:22 meatpudding wrote:On June 22 2014 13:12 Epishade wrote:
Ok guys, I knew I would have very limited time to post these past two days. I was planning to post an intro on the first day when the game started, but Amiko delayed the game and I figured I wouldn't have had much to say day 1 anyways for me to justify staying up to 2 AM posting at my grandma's computer.
I'll have a lot more time to spend tomorrow when I get back home. I got about 2 hours now that I'll spend reading through the thread and bringing up anything I see that stands out to me I guess.
As for introduction,
Behold, it is I, Epishade, keeper of nights, savior of world, and browser of naked ladies! This is my 2.5th mafia game. Many of you (only Meat) should remember me from my first mafia game, where I won the game for town by slaying the last mafia member in a bout of intense bravery and courage! I also played briefly in a second mafia game where it had to be restarted after Squirt ruined it by asking about coaches a day after the game started. I was mafia in that game, and was quite upset because I was being read as town early on. I /outed after the reset, so I don't consider that a real game.
Anyways, I'll start reading through and I'll try to come up with some reads. Sorry for not being able to post earlier again. That would have to be MysteryMeat, because it's not me. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. I still feel like Teemu is giving off scum vibes. Although I agree with Tolkien he does not make for a good day one lynch. He is playing as if a townie, and at least as long as he is not trying to derail the scum hunt, then he is useful to town. I would be critical of what he is saying for the time being. If I am right and Teemu is scum, then surely they would want to get rid of me so they could continue blending in with town. If they hit me during the night that would be a huge tell. Why else would I be a mafia target unless I was onto them? If mafia wanted rid of me, it would be much less suspicious if they had me lynched. One thing is for sure, not everyone who jumps on the meatpudding wagon is scum, and not all scum are going to jump on the wagon (too obvious). @Haru I would like to hear your opinion on this as well. Are you leaning for Teemu being town. Do you have any scum reads at this point? What are the scum vibes? I don't like your push on me. You jump into speculating about next night's night kills before even giving a good explanation/analysis of why I am coming off as scum. I understand we're all newer players here, but please don't think someone is scum because they think you are scum or are pushing you to get reads. As I said before, I can't really figure out if you're mafia or just a newer player. I would like for you to give your reads on people that haven't really been interacting with you. I would also really like to see you place a vote on someone. Voting on someone doesn't mean you have to stick by it, and it shows that you are willing to push on people and try to find mafia. In short, the reason I find you suspicious is because you were leaning towards Templar being town when it was too early imo to make a read like that. That's why I was wondering if you are sticking by Templar being a townie. (I'm not sure yet.)
Like Nydus (we know each other from video mafia), we both get our reads from smaller things. Nydus gets very decent town reads, while I get even better scum reads day 1. I usually catch at least one mafia day 1 and try to push on it.
I gave some points on Cats, but he has started to ask better questions. Once he provides us with the information that he's gotten from the questions, I might start leaning town on him.
My updated read on Templar is still leaning town. I don't think his push on Scott is too bad, he keeps giving reasons for his push. Templar's play so far is very vanilla and he hasn't done anything to make me put him lower in my list from the initial slight town read I had on him.
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On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk.
Actually, I thought I had another point to bring up against you, but I reread one of your posts with a bunch of quoted spoilers and realized I misread it.
Well, that was mostly the dirt I came up with on you two. Only other suspicious post I saw was about Haruhi.
What's your read on Nydus?
My question and interaction comes from knowing him from video mafia and having played a lot of games with him.
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor.
I feel like you keep contradicting yourself. I'm being active and trying to scum hunt (as you seem to agree), while you say we can't possibly know who the scum is D1 and you're having suspicion on me based on my early reads on small things, which are generally strong and creating discussion anyway.
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Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum??
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On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum??
EDIT: Minus one question mark.
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On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : )
Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk.
What's your read on Scott?
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I hope I'll get some real-time interactions with people in this game. I feel like it's a really good way to get some interactions (based on what I've read from other forum games). Can't assume that'd happen at this hour though, I guess,
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On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him?
Not too much, I haven't really formed a solid read on him yet. I like what you have to say though.
What do you think of Haru?
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Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy.
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On June 22 2014 16:06 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:04 Teemursu wrote:
I hope I'll get some real-time interactions with people in this game. I feel like it's a really good way to get some interactions (based on what I've read from other forum games). Can't assume that'd happen at this hour though, I guess, filters are super useful for finding contradictions, I like laying all the information out at once
I agree, I will filter people when I make cases, but I think RT interaction important too. People's alignment will come clearer through tone, since A) mafia will probably be very conscious about how they sound like and B) town will probably be a little careless about their posting (not in terms of logic necessarily, but tone).
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Jabber, I think you're leaning town on Meatpudding, right? Which wagon would you be willing to join at this point?
Kind of related to that, what do you think of Cats?
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TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him.
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Nydus, maybe reading you in text form isn't too much of a challenge after all. 8O)
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On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content.
I'm also not sure about Tolkien yet. I will be more confident with my read on him once Haru posts his case on him (helps me to read Haru as well).
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Not from me, a game of video mafia is starting as well. Night.
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On June 22 2014 18:29 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
Jabber, initially i thought he was leaning town, but looking through his filter again. He hasn't contributed too much, and it seems like he's posting more to blend in as town. Depending on how the day goes, and what he says further, i could switch my vote from cats to jabber.
tolkien: The only thing i didn't like was that he said he didn't like cats or meatpudding, and i felt like his post read that he didn't like cats more, but then he votes on meatpudding, Find it a little weird, but nothing other than that.
Interesting read on Jabber. I really liked his tone with me and his read on Scott. I'm reading Nydus as town, and him agreeing with the read makes me like Jabber even more.
Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing.
Anything you want to say about him?
What do you think of Meatpudding based on your read about Tolkien not voting on Cats?
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Honestly, at this point I'm expecting people who haven't posted yet to start joining the thread, and I hope it's not like 6 hours before EOD, since I will be sleeping at that point.
I'm mostly fine with the list I posted. I'll probably wake up like 30 minutes before the time to quickly catch up if there is anything critically important.
This might be just a play style thing, but I dislike Scott's post. Posting long quotes and saying a couple of words is very annoying to read and I'd much rather either have straight interaction with the person I'm trying to read, or actually try to analyse their posts.
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Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
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Meatpudding, what's your read on Jabber?
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On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Addressed this above.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
Why do you lean town on him then? Anyone can ask questions and still not provide with any information (Jabber pointed this out, and it's the reason why he is my town read with Nydus).
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
What makes you lean on him giving false information instead of actually just having wrong reads as town? Town don't have perfect information, mafia does.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
I feel like this read is very weak, it feels like you're too afraid to give an actual read on him. If I see you flip as scum, I'm going to like Haru's push on Tolkien a lot more.
I've started my bandwagon, given reads and reasons, yet you think I'm more scummy than Tolkien even when he's being, as you said, "noncommittal".
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I think everyone should consider Meatpudding as a serious lynch candidate today.
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Welp, failed at quoting.
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MysteryMeat1, do you have any scum reads besides Cats that are based on the interactions in this game?
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On June 22 2014 21:41 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:50 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
if your town you should be fighting to the end.... Thanks for the vote of confidence, I do appreciate it.
Not to encourage your inner OMGUS, but sometimes mafia can really break your spirit of fighting and break town's moral. This sometimes happens in video mafia when people act BM towards each other.
When I said I disliked your post, I didn't say your reads were bad, I just disliked the form that you presented them in.
Don't worry, one of the better players at forming town circles is considering you town!
To move the discussion forward, would you be down for joining us in the MeatPudding wagon? I feel like he's probably a better vote from your perspective than yourself. 8O)
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On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:
I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1.
Why are you reading Templar as town?
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I'm hoping Hobbitus will contribute soon. I'd like to hear her reads on other interactions than just the slight town lean I had on Templar today.
Also, people who haven't said a single thing yet:
Solar424
GlowingBear
BlondeMocha
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I'm off to sleep in a few hours, and I would really really like seeing people start voting and joining wagons. Remember that placing a vote on someone doesn't mean you're locking in on them as mafia and that you can always be wrong about people.
It will help us by pressuring people, find mafia later on through voting patterns and generally not get you guys modkilled. 8O)
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Well, since nothing much is happening, I'm off to bed. Hope none of the people who haven't posted yet get modkilled and actually post something. :/
I'll be here probably 30 or so minutes before EOD to quickly check on the wagons, and see if there are any claims or something just in case.
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Hi guys, I overslept a little bit and I seemed to miss half of the content day 1 (which seems to have appeared in the last 8 hours of d1 playtime). I'm starting to catch up now.
Can I post reads and respond to people, since people are posting now, or may I do it only once day begins?
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On June 23 2014 18:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 18:53 Teemursu wrote:
Hi guys, I overslept a little bit and I seemed to miss half of the content day 1 (which seems to have appeared in the last 8 hours of d1 playtime). I'm starting to catch up now.
Can I post reads and respond to people, since people are posting now, or may I do it only once day begins? Yea you can post reads anytime you want. I'm currently filterdiving.
Good to know, thanks! I will be catching up and checking for any new posts while I do so. If you want to discuss about anything, let me know.
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This post Strikes me as off a little bit.
+ Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling."
First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy?
"Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made"
In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents.
"or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on."
I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads.
His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 07:50 The_Templar wrote:Good idea.
Lord Tolkien: Town | + Show Spoiler +His opinion seems a bit divided at some points, but otherwise he's pretty solid right now. On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution. Show nested quote +
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. A reasonable start for him. He clearly states that he thinks mafias distance themselves more than town. He then follows this up by reading the most active player in the game thus far (Teemu) as town, due to his contributions. His lynching pattern is pretty similar, starting off at least. He wants to get rid of lurkers who don't contribute at all. He did, however, ignore the people that weren't really contributing at all, simply saying he doesn't agree. Why did he ignore those who posted empty posts? Who knows? That's a small point, not really indicative though, and he follows up with pretty much more of the same: On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE Show nested quote + On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkienhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord TolkienThe filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Besides basically summarizing a guide on how to play as a town, he reminds us to post and post dammit. He then posted some filters, which seem to be mostly very angry posts based on what I've seen, and finally decided he would vote scott because he hadn't done anything with the few posts he made (this is OK, but he doesn't mention anyone else who barely contributed). He then unvoted Scott because he contributed. Basically, I think he's townish because he's very consistent and clear about how he's playing this game. I don't see any deception at all in his posts.
Jabberwockzerg: Slightly Scum | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? Literally just two questions. On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend "Thanks for answering my question. I have no followup to my interrogation." On June 22 2014 14:59 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:39 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 14:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 14:35 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 14:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 04:33 scott31337 wrote:
Edit: I'll give a longer introduction - This is my first mafia game on TL - and I wanted to give it a shot - I've bee on TL for a bit over a year, and usually post in the tech support or elsewhere.
Scott, do you have any experience in any mafia games elsewhere? On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. On June 22 2014 09:30 Lord Tolkien wrote:
In fact, let's get some bandwagons going right now.
#vote Scott31337 Tolkien, why the switch from meatpudding to scott? I answered it below. On June 22 2014 12:16 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Templar did actually explain my reasoning for starting the bandwagon on Scott, but to clarify a point: I wrote specifically that meatpudding was my, at the time, preferential bandwagon due to contribution (aka fairly minimal; he asked a person for their opinions and that's it); I noted I did not have any solid scum reads. After seeing Scott's next post (just a random agreement post, does nothing for town), I mulled it over and revised my opinion on who I would prefer to lynch first. tl;dr I changed my mind on Scott's next post (the irrelevant agreement with Templar) which I didn't see earlier before I posted. Okay, thanks, goodnight friend Hi, jabber, what do you think of Meatpudding and Cats? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:05 meatpudding wrote:
I'm not going to jump on any wagons yet. My vote will be up within 8 hours from now, which will be the end of the day for me. Until then, see if any more lurkers post. I'm not definitely sure if any posters are genuine town either. Anyone could be anomaly at this point.
@Teemu, what is your read on Templar, now that he has posted more? I really like this post. A scum, especially a newbie scum, would try to jump on a wagon, and he's asking direct questions, which is always nice. Cats is asking a lot of questions, which he included in his little how to guide to play town. I also like how he hasn't jumped on a wagon. "I like Cats and Meatpudding because they are also asking a lot of questions and doing very little otherwise, just like me." Well, at least his plan is pretty clear so far. On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? Well… ok. His post on Scott is acceptable, but he mentions that new scums can post almost nothing, which is exactly what Scott had done up to this point, yet he says he's not scummy. This is the most analytical post he's made so far, unfortunately. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. He says stuff, but never really follows it up. Not decisive at all, and, as Hobbitus has pointed out, has switched over to the meatpudding wagon. This doesn't mean too much yet, as he could be not taking day 1 very seriously, but if he doesn't step it up he's almost certainly scum.
HaruRH: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +He laughed at me because of Scarlett so I instinctively dislike him. Looking past that, though, he immediately claims that Cats is a great town player and terrible mafia player, saying that he hopes that Cats doesn't go AFK. Not sure why, considering that would mean he's mafia and we have a mafia down. Maybe I'm overthinking it but it just seems a bit too friendly. It could be the anti-scarlett bias talking. He suddenly jumps in as soon as someone talks about an interaction between me and Teemu being a play. He wasn't involved at all but forces himself into the middle of the argument. Here's one of his more important posts so far: On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Even though Hobbitus confirms that she meant that she didn't think it was a play, Haru keeps pushing, insisting that she was contradicting herself when she wasn't really. After Hobbitus manages to clarify herself, he pulls out, claiming that she should have been talking to Teemu. Why put yourself in the conversation then? Literally his next post (besides asking hosts a question) is an attempt to squash Lord Tolkien. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien The bright spark in this post is that he clearly wants to lynch mafia, or pretend it. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to be thoroughly reading this thread, because Tolkien clearly revealed his intentions before this post. HOWEVER, he made this post: On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding Haru is pretty solid in this post, surprisingly, as he notes meatpudding's inconsistency in his reads, although he's slightly exaggerating the number of people meatpudding is accusing. So, he seems to have improved a bit since the start of the game. He's also been helpful by linking most of the major posts so far this day. Possibly a zealous mafia, possibly an initially misguided/incorrect town.
TheKingOfTheCats: Slightly Scum | + Show Spoiler +After I made my scum read on him, he replied that he wasn't sure how obvious what he was saying was. That's acceptable. But then he just asks everyone questions… On June 22 2014 08:09 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:05 scott31337 wrote:
Arguments are always good for stirring up the pot right?
Great point on mafia getting modkilled. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 07:30 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 07:16 scott31337 wrote:On June 22 2014 05:50 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 04:30 scott31337 wrote:On June 21 2014 23:55 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Do you often talk And make all of your scum reads In haiku format? That could get very annoying very quickly. I like the haiku posting, I can see where it would get annoying quickly though, maybe to change the subject? ... Do you have any thoughts on anyone else? Me, teemursu and meatpudding perhaps? So far, I really do not - and we got too many non-posters still as well. Being talkative often is a sign of misdirection, but not always. I have a couple small hints of where I'm going, Templar a little townie - Thinking there's over five people who haven't even posted, they could all be scum - and there's too many quiet ends. Teemu has said he's likely to vote me or meatpudding today, he's given reasons why he's likely to vote for one of us today. What do you think of his reasons? And why are you leaning town on Templar? On June 22 2014 21:48 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats Why an i "super scummy" for doing that when Lord Tolkien isn't for doing exactly the same thing? Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 09:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. It isn't and I agree; however it is indicative to how useful they'll be to contributing to town, and I'd rather get a lurker lynch out of the way now in a newbie game, than later. If someone actively posts, it's easier to judge alignment, and gives town something to go with. If I am convinced of a player's scumminess I'll vote for him, but at present I don't feel enough of it atm. As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk, however if you are a blue role in forum mafia, the correct play for blues is generally to play like you would a vanilla townie. There's no reason to treat a blue role as anything outside of a (very nice) bonus; you're still playing town. All lurking does is make you suspicious, either to town or to scum. Don't do it guys. I do agree with you broadly, just I'd rather get a serious non-contributor out of the way, and a lurker lynch policy for a newbie game is decent incentive for newbie townies to NOT lurk, and post (which is the only way we can judge people: no/little/non-informative posts=bad for town). If people don't post they'll get mod-killed anyways, but still, low-info posts don't help town. AKA: POST GAIZ, AND CONTRIBUTE On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. That's how my D1 the past 2 newbie mafias went for me hah. Which reminds me. If anyone needs it, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Lord Tolkienhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441178-newbie-mini-mafia-lii?user=Lord TolkienThe filters for my previous forum mafia games, which is mostly the sum of my mafia experience (minus a couple DC/MD/VA meetup mafia games). For your conveniences. I aim to improve my D1 play anyways, but it should give you a general idea how I play. At this point, based on current posts, I'd vote on Scott. No opinions on anyone excepting pointing out that we had lurkers, and the rest are just sheeple nods. Hasn't added anything to the thread, just posts to make himself appear active. Why didn't you mention him at all when he said that he didn't mind a potential D1 mislynch of someone that wouldn't be contributing as well? On June 22 2014 22:08 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can. Jabberwockzerg- On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. My instinct tells me an inexperienced person trying to back his Mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much at the moment - and maybe defending too early - not enough to say honestly. Can you point to any posts of jabber's that lead you to think he's trying to "back his mafia, and reading the mafia chat too much" or is it just a baseless gut feeling? Also, have you played mafia before or is this your first game? These are decent questions, but there's no followup anywhere. My opinion hasn't changed because of this. On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. This is his most recent post as of the time I am writing this. The post is very hard to read; he barely refers to anyone by name so I'm not exactly sure what he's saying...
NydusHerMain: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Cool, video mafia helps you determine Teemu's behavior. On June 22 2014 08:58 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch).That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Not only that but Teemu agrees with me on TheKingOfCats. Although I agree with people that we should vote a lurker, considering the large number of lurkers and the fact that it's a newbie game, I don't think being a lurker is necessarily indicative of scum. On the other game, I do see people trying to contribute and looking scum whilst doing it. I'd rather vote on someone who I think is the scummiest than RNG a vote and potentially hit a cop. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 07:39 The_Templar wrote:Responses to recent posts in this thread.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:24 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:11 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:03 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:
Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. I know it's going to go into tunnel vision, but I don't think there is enough info out there for that to have happened so far, and yet you have a pretty strong opinion on most people already. To me that suggests a strategy of some kind. What that strategy is, I don't know. To clarify, I don't think you and Templar were buddying up like meatpudding (not I) suggested. The idea of THAT play seems too obvious and early. Reaction testing, he does this in video, neither town nor scum I'm going to step out of haiku mode for this one because I made an error. I thought this was a conversation between Hobbitus and Teemu. I'm slightly sleep deprived and know Teemu outside of TL Mafia so feel inclined to defend him without having an actual reason to think that he's not scum. Fair enough. Just make sure you're not confusing Teemu and Haru in the future, as that will get confusing really quick. I wonder why Haru jumped in so suddenly but I guess he could do this a lot, not sure yet. I'm watching your posting pattern so that I make sure you're consistent on what you've stated here.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Keep in mind that people could act differently in forum mafia. More on this later on, I explained it better then and I don't want to duplicate in this post. Personally, in the sc2 mod mafia, I watch people and jump out at them when they're unsure to trip them up, but this doesn't work in forum mafia (I tried in the TL+ game). So, I am going to watch and observe patterns, trying to figure out where everyone's going and what their plan is. I know this part of my post is a bit vague but hopefully I'll be able to show what I mean a bit better as the game goes on. Now, in your reply to meatpudding, why is that -any- different than Teemu's post on me? Neither are particularly strong and assume a lot of stuff. Teemu assumes that we're all figuring things out as we go, and it's town to realize that, and meatpudding guesses the motivation behind someone pressuring him on day 1. So what's the difference?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Hehe, you didn't at all, in fact you even said there was no read on him yet specifically (A null read according to some guy). You did say that (obviously) we should lynch meatpudding if he's not contributing. (Not sure why you even bother to say it, it's like a universal truth in these games).
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 02:00 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. Will do. Show nested quote +
It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Saying his post wasn't alignment indicative is still giving a read on him. You're evaluating his post and coming to a null conclusion. Also, I don't feel like you said much in general in the two lines of text that you wrote, since stating that people who don't contribute are good lynches is A) very obvious B) continuing to talk about Meatpudding in a null manner. I would say it's not a read because you can't read into it. Looking at it again, I do agree that Cat's post was a little too passive. Probably because he's not contributing much, as he said he wouldn't.
+ Show Spoiler +Now, I see a few people saying that meatpudding is scummy. Not seeing it personally. He only has two significant posts: On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. On June 22 2014 00:14 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. Would like to hear your thoughts as well. Do you have any reasoning to think that either would be scum? Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. This post specifically makes me wonder. If Teemu is scum then I would say Templar is as well. Yeah, it's an obvious play, but if it's not a play then is there any reason to suspect either of them? All he's done is point out that Teemu agreed with my intentions (which apparently means we're both mafia), and that he was slightly pressured by Cats. This is in two posts. The Cats part is pretty straightforward and I covered it earlier in this post, so I'll focus on the pointing out of Teemu quickly siding with me. The first day is very slow compared to video mafia. Teemu is a video mafia player in general, which means he might be used to taking a side quickly and seeing how things develop (which they do at a blistering pace) (I don't know him very well, these are assumptions). I'm not particularly familiar with that side of mafia (although I play the sc2 mod, I really just lurk in the shadows and attack suspicious people), but I would assume that this is fairly normal. I did see a post that mentioned that Teemu's style is different than that, so I don't really know- perhaps he's trying to adapt but only being partially successful? I'm not really suspicious of either meatpudding or Teemu yet. If someone that knows him well explains his style to me, I'll try to see if he's playing weirdly, but someone else will be a better judge of that. This part of the post started with meatpudding and ended in Teemu. I think that the two are connected somehow, but this could be completely baseless.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 05:46 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding. On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. I didn't really see his post as scummy just poorly worded, plus people had already jumped on it so i didn't need to ask him myself. It does look a bit odd, though. Meatpudding seems to have reacted, a lot, to your post. Definitely more than you were intending considering you were trying to be passive about it. Why? Well, he could be scum. I don't know his skill level but his responses actually made it look like (to the rest of the town) that you were pressuring him, and I guess that could translate to being mafia. Not sure.
My reads so far: (also TLDR) -Suspecting Nydus because he's got multiple standards on whether seeing something from a towny perspective is ok. -No idea on meatpudding, so Null read for now and I'll change it later. I think it will be resolved by the end of the day. -Cats is more involved than I thought he would be. But he's not doing anything in particular. Asking for more than he has. -Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure. I have come to two conclusions: -Cats is my best guess at this point for scum. -I'm not nearly as good as I thought I was. This has already gotten too complicated for simple analysis. On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. Woah woah woah, wait, but I can't factor it into my thoughts? Well ok then… if you insist… A lot of what he has posted is relevant to video mafia so there's not much for me to go on. I'll reserve judgement for later.
Solar424: No idea | + Show Spoiler +Did you expect content in this spoiler? Please, even I can't make literally nothing into something.
GlowingBear: No idea | + Show Spoiler +He was pretty late so I guess we'll see where he goes
meatpudding: Scum | + Show Spoiler +I already made a case against him so I'll keep this one short. He's made one post since I voted him: On June 23 2014 05:53 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 00:10 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
Just from the looks of it, Templar seems to me to be townie so far. He's been posting a lot and replying to a lot of posts directed at him. Generally, too, when I think things to myself, and other people agree with what I'm currently thinking, I place those people in my town pile. I put Templar in there for his suspicion against Teemursu, which I had as well. Though he ultimately decided to vote on Scott, which I also believe to be a justified vote thus far. Sure, I guess a mafia could have done either just as well, so I generally don't put a lot of faith into day 1 reads. Just, so far, he's most townie to me right now.
I would like him to answer one thing I saw him post that seemed a little weird to me.
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
He said that I gave off a towny vibe, but it could have been scum trying to make me look scum. It was very early in the game to be thinking anyone was town or scum, so it was sort of weird. However: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:07 Teemursu wrote:Right when I ask for real-time interaction, two people start posting. I'm happy. I like this though. He is trying to get us all playing. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
THE_TEMPLAR:
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
When did I link my filter?  I posted two posts from my previous game which basically said that I spent a lot of time playing mafia. Tolkien did link filters… even though you could find his last game in his post history. (In fact, I just did that.) Anyway, the game was over a year ago. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 19:09 scott31337 wrote:
Okay, I've had a bit to think about this, and want to post my feelings as best I can.
(The_Templar)
I mostly agree with this - and also since he is showing the most information in my opinion - he may be lynched by mafia - and since he may be thinking Cats -
If Cats gets lynched - Templar will go at night
If Meat get lynched - Templar may go as well
If Templar does not go at night - a slight scum read
Still suspect Templar town
Hope that helps how I feel with my townie friends!
I only have a slight scum read on Cats, which is not particularly strong at all, and I specifically said I don't have a read on meat yet in that post. I don't see why I'd be a good n1 kill in those scenarios, especially considering there are people that are also doing their best and reading just like I am. I think you might be setting up something against me later. There will be at least 10 people alive day 2 if nobody gets modkilled, so why are you in this mindset of "The_Templar will probably either die or look scum by day 2"? The post is a very big analysis post in general though, and you're clearly putting in effort, so: ##UnvotePlease unvote yourself and keep your head in the game. Also, I'd rather not waste a lynch when you can just ask to be replaced.Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. Haru called out Tolkien as being scummy and voted him. He also pushed Hobbitus earlier, so he's definitely looking for scum. Maybe not as much as you would like, but certainly more than you… I've never played with Teemu. Wtf?
If you think my long post is the only informative post I've made, you should read my filter again. Sure, none of my other posts have thorough analysis, but a lot of my other posts explain why I'm doing what I'm doing… particularly these, and I save my analysis for the big posts. Why exactly does Hobbitus look like town? Just because she's looking for stuff doesn't really mean anything, and all she's actually said is that Teemu and I were probably not both scum making a play so early in the game. (This is not a jab at Hobbitus because she seems to be making a longer post right now) Starting to look suspicious to me. I'll wait for you to redeem yourself, but I'm on the edge of voting you now. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. Templar, my mistake. I was confusing you with something that Nydus said. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 00:41 HaruRH wrote:On June 22 2014 00:14 Hobbitus wrote:On June 22 2014 00:01 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:59 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:51 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:
But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course.
Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?
TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. Uh, do you really think this is a play? No, that's my point. Meatpudding is saying that's a play, but I don't think so. IF it is though, I think it'd be more likely that one is town and one is scum than both being scum. If you don't think it's a play, do you have a specific reasoning for that? Who do you think is the town/scum? Well like I said, it seems very obvious/early for a play? One "hey I think you're towny" post does not a scumteam make. It's more like you're sniffing out reads to me. That being said, if it is a play I'd say you're more likely than Templar to be scum just because you do have such polarized reactions to people. Now, you're raising flags here. I don't want to spoil your mood but once the day goes into full gear, you will only see one-sided polarised arguments filled with tunnel vision of each other. Also, by calling out the 'play', and yet saying you think it's too obvious/early for plays you're contradicting yourself. + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. That seems like too obvious a play to me? I could see one or the other being scum but not both. I don't have a strong case against Haruhi. But this post seems to be contradicting what he said about not scum hunting on D1. I went with my vote for this and because besides from this he is not being too direct. I'm trying to avoid a mislynch and if you think Haru is not worthy to lynch don't vote. On being paranoid of Teemu, he has been on my case since I introduced myself and hasn't let up one bit. He is pushing the lynch wagon hardest as well. Teemu strongest scum lean for me but I am not proposing a lynch because he posts a lot and might lead to more info and contradictions in the future. Teemu, Templar and Haru are leaning scum for me, but sure the case is weak. That's all for now. If I'm back before closing I can make another post. Teemu did the following as an interaction with you: -Said he didn't like that you lurked -Discussed keeping an eye on Cats -Voted you after deciding between you and Cats, because Cats contributed more. -You start pushing Teemu pretty hard and he tells you of the complexity and amount of time in the game -You admit suspecting him because he sided with me so early. -He makes a serious case on you. Both of your reasons for attacking each other seem sort of superficial. It could be staged but if it was, it would just have backfired. Alternatively, one or both of you could be town (I think Teemu is more likely, see my explanation later). I interacted with you in the following ways: -I call your The_Lurker joke random -I said I had no idea about your role -I decide you are less worthy of a lynch than Scott -I say that I don't agree with a vote on you. At this point you have done literally zero concerning me, besides making and justifying a 'cute' joke about my name. -You make a fishy post, I jump on you and eventually vote you. -You suddenly saying I'm scummy. What am I supposed to think now? You basically only did anything with me because I voted you, so this looks like a knee-jerk reaction to make me look scum when I'm not. Haru: -You ask his opinion on Teemu, and he responds. -You two call each other scum and vote each other, although neither seem very justified. -He confirms his scum opinion by talking about your methods, which are weird.
Hobbitus: Slightly town | + Show Spoiler +She was a bit random at first, voting a lurker (before the game of course ) and sided with me before saying that one of me and Teemu might be scummy because he sided with me (not the other way around). I don't see how him siding with me might make just me scum but whatever. However, she did admit it was more likely that Teemu was scum. After all the mess with people accusing Teemu and me and people saying that it meant nothing because he said I seemed town, she didn't really do anything until a fairly large analysis post. I'll admit I'm a sucker for analysis posts, but it did seem like she put quite a bit of effort into it. She then pushed Jabber for a while, before changing the subject a bit and talking about the meatpudding/teemu/haru triangle. She seems town to me mostly because of the analysis post and her ability to actually focus on multiple things. Nothing she's done has really stood out to me.
Teemursu: No idea | + Show Spoiler +He smiles a lot in this thread.
In order to not make this by far the worst of my reads, I'll offer some actual analysis.
Teemu is sort of mystifying for me. He seems town by asking for reads from practically everyone and pushing whenever possible, whereas I've never seen a mafia be that aggressive, but he hasn't offered any real analysis of his own except for when he had already voted meatpudding. So, what is he doing? Perhaps he's not used to analysis based on video mafia? (Not likely, I was able to analyze on my first mafia game).
I don't really have much on him right now and I've spent literally 4 hours on this post, so I'm going to move on for now.
Epishade: Town | + Show Spoiler +Epishade is all business in this game. Pretty much all of his posts are analysis posts, which I currently have no problem with, or basically saying "Hello, reading the thread." Otherwise, it's sort of difficult for me to dissect his analysis posts (I'm tired at this point), but I notice he focuses on all the details of people's posts that other people ignore, such as here: On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:
@Templar, what did you mean with these sentences about Teemursu? What was the "But he thinks I'm town." clause supposed to contradict?
As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious.
Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk.
He does consider the big picture enough, but stuff like this makes him very valuable to keep around. His reads make sense as well. I don't really have anything bad to say about him right now.
Scott31337: On the fence | + Show Spoiler +He was very scummy with disguised, no-content posts at first, but his analysis post made me change my mind on him. I've already posted a lot on him, so I'm keeping this one as short as the last few. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/450895-newbie-mini-mafia-lvi?page=24#462However, his reasoning in a lot of his reads are sort of odd, particularly the ones on me and HaruRH (quoted a post before the game I think?) so I don't know about the validity of it.
The_Templar: Town | + Show Spoiler +This is the most obvious one I think
MysteryMeat1: Slightly Town | + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats This is pretty much his only post. It's a fair analysis post on most of the active players. Honestly, I don't have much to say about any of his analysis, as it's pretty mild for the most part. His scum reads are a little over-reactive though, as he uses a poorly worded post to make Cats his top scum. That's my only problem, I guess we'll see where we go from there overnight and probably next day.
BlondeMocha: Scum | + Show Spoiler +On June 17 2014 21:21 BlondeMocha wrote:/confirm this will be my first game.. looking forward to it. I'm on US Eastern time zone Poor guy. (My scum read on him is not serious by the way)
This post took way too long, and is apparently 43 pages O.o
I like this post, moving Templar higher in my town list. I disagree with some reads, mostly Jabber.
Read on MeatPudding is great, and I want to push him as a serious lynch candidate for today, since people apparently either didn't like my case on him enough or they didn't see it (no one referenced it in their posts before I left the thread).
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On June 23 2014 19:05 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:43 Teemursu wrote:
Depending on how rest of the day plays out, I feel like I'm probably going to vote on either TheKingOfCats or Meatpudding today. Hobbitus so far is on the fence with me. If he doesn't believe the world where both Templar and I are mafia, I would like to hear from him about rest of the game. Yes. Given how you were initially thinking of voting for kotc and meatpudding, I would like to: 1) see what changed in your views of Hobbitus, kotc and meatpudding 2) reads from reading reads in the past 10+ pages (lol what a pun)
When I quickly skimmed through some random pages, I got a really bad vibe from KotC. Hobbitus I am going to keep on my fence, I saw one post where he evaluated some of MM's reads instead of being obnoxious, like Tolkien and KotC were.
I'm going to have a better picture of the situation now that I'm actually reading and catching up post by post, so what I just said might be very incorrect but those were my initial gutfeelings.
Talking about puns, did you know, that I actually submitted ten puns to a pun contest, hoping one would win? Unfortunately, no pun in ten did! :c
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On June 23 2014 19:10 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . Thanks for the read. I have reasons to suspect that there is a scum between KingOfTheCats and MeatPudding . Do not mistake me, I still think meat is the one I'm looking for. But having an alternate wagon won't hurt.
I definitely agree. Since I assume you were in the middle of all of the clusterfudge, how are you reading Tolkien from all of the interaction?
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This post is ringing scum to me.
My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do!
I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me.
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On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy
EDIT: +thinks*
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On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me.
Sorry, I meant this post.
The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons.
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On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding
I didn't mind most of your reads, I have you as leaning town. What is your updated read on MeatPudding and KotC? Also I want to hear you talk about Tolkien.
Regarding MeatPudding, I specifically want to direct you to here.
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On June 23 2014 09:28 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:15 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
Nydus
jabber
LEANING TOWN:
Scott
Templar
FENCE:
TheKingOfCats
LEANING SCUM:
Meatpudding
SCUM:
Get to posting!
Not sure yet where I should put Haru yet. I will read his filter in a few hours, but so far I'm leaning town on him. Some explanation for some of the reads would be greatly appreciated. Specifically jabber.
Sure.
I liked Jabber's read on Scott and his overall tone.
The way I read Nydus (at least in video mafia) is when I evaluate his logic and reasons for his town reads. Sometimes he can be very paranoid and defend very scummy people (often even mafia) and that is sometimes a little harder to read through, but sometimes he can give very towny logic and help me not misread him.
So far I've been happy with the content he's provided. I'm not sure what he has posted yet in the coming +15 posts.
Templar's reads are decent and is playing very vanilla, I like him as town.
I've given my thoughts on MeatPudding in my accusations towards him, could you maybe read them and tell me what you think?
I'm currently focusing on Cats, please respond to me ASAP about him. I want to talk with you, since I want to read into the interaction between you two.
I also need you to explain this in detail. This post is one of the more questionable ones to me, now that I'm starting to read through these posts.
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On June 23 2014 10:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
As I said, it's a tough choice. You have to pick which meat you want.
I noted my decision-making process here. The absurd inconsistency is just FAR too big of a warning bell for me.
meatpudding is acceptable I think as well, but I can plausibly think of him far more as just a bad town, what with blatant OMGUSing and ridiculous plays like voting Haru.
MysteryMeat's contribution is him trying to pose as normal town when he hasn't been posting much. My (limited) experience with lurker scum is that they hide until the second half of Day 1 before posting a "reads" list, and giving a vote in the hopes it'll let them off the hook for any suspicion, and voting for a possible bandwagon based on the general feelings in the thread. Let's be real here, NO ONE in this thread thought I was scum until GlowingBear (I believe Haru had already removed his vote at the time), so he figured it'd be best to continue the trend. Cats a safe vote. A bandwagon on meatpudding, but Cats is under suspicion so his vote won't be heavily scruitinized D2 if meatpudding turns up green.
It's just impossible for him not to even MENTION that I pushed for a lynch on a player for being deadweight and being FINE with a mislynch if that happens, if that's why he's so bent on voting Cats. It's just ridiculously impossible, like holy shit.
Why is he acceptable?
He is making, in my opinion, if not as little, even less sense than MM1, and you're still regarding him as bad town instead of scum.
This kind of inconsistency is how I catch mafia. I believe you're scum and you should probably be lynched immidiately.
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To add to my previous post, you keep repeating the joke of "deciding which meat to bite on", and yet you completely flip flop on MeatPudding as bad town for no close to no reasoning.
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[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 09:40 Hobbitus wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 09:20 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 08:49 Hobbitus wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 23 2014 08:28 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Ok can everyone that thinks i'm scum please state why because the only reasons i'm seeing are that i haven't been contributing much. The fact that i said that i would be giving considerably less fucks that usual about this game before it started seems to have been ignored plus if anyone actually bothered to skim the filter from the other game i posted they would see that i, as town, did precisely fuck all during the first half of D1. So if you have any other reasons to think i'm scummy please tell me. I know none of you know my meta but i know that i don't generally do a lot the first half of D1 as either alignment so saying i'm scummy for it is kind of annoying me.[/QUOTE]
Whoa there, bucko. If you don't give reads, regardless of your meta, you are going to look suspicious. Instead of getting pissy that people are (quite reasonably) suspicious of you, why don't you give us some reads? Other than on MM, you haven't done so, and I suspect the only reason you did so for him was so you had someone to vote on. THAT seems scummy to me.[/QUOTE]
I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me.
As an aside if you ignore your scumread on me (just humour me, assume i'm town for the time being) what do you think of my points against MysteryMeat?[/QUOTE]
That's fine, not everyone's play style needs to be the same, and yes, it is super time consuming But it's weird to not post any reads until close to the deadline, and then to only post one. Even two would be much better, so I know you aren't scum keeping your options open. So you think MM is mafia, who is your second in line? How is not pressuring anyone other than your scummiest scum beneficial to the town? We both know that it's most likely that meatpudding will be lynched tonight, and if we don't see MM flip, we really have no information on you at all. Do you see where I'm coming from?
If you are town, I agree that MM does seem a little scummy, thus my on the fence read. His main post seems really careless, picking out really trivial stuff to base his reads off of, just like he's not putting in a lot of effort. Bad town or mafia? Dunno. As for his attack on you specifically, I think it was as fairly baseless as his reads on everyone else. I don't know if that's enough to vote him though.[/QUOTE]
I like the last sentence of this post. I can see the same mindset as I am having right now. Again, seeing as the clusterfudge played out, I feel like specific people kept trying to bury MM1 for this.
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Woops, that's a clusterfudge if I've seen one. Sorry for being a little careless about quoting.
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Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding?
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This reason keeps coming up again and again when Tolkien and Cats both defend their case/accuse MM1.
To put it simply, why focus on it so hard? Since MM1 flipped green, it almost sounds like they had to pre-emptively defend their case on something they knew would be a misslynch.
Did MM1 actually not push on Tolkien at all? I'm still not sure how much things would be different, if he had.
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On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:45 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding? Sure. 1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding 2) Nydus' s hard push on MM 3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch 4) Templar's vote switching
Great, I'll get back at you ASAP.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 11:31 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:21 MysteryMeat1 wrote:On June 23 2014 11:02 Hobbitus wrote:
MM is so bad, and the case against him is so strong it's actually ludicrous, which is why I'm entertaining that idea at all. I don't want to believe anyone is that terrible. I find this actually quite amusing, you don't agree with my reads, and call me bad which is fine. But if we want to talk about past games, then in mine i successfully predicted the roleblocker, got town to lynch him ,and pinged out the other 3 mafia. I'm a town you don't want to lynch d1, unless your mafia. then go ahead and lynch me. Not to be rude, but I don't really care about your past games. The options I see for you are: 1. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes 2. you are town and made a series of bad mistakes which scum are using to their advantage 3. you are mafia and made a series of bad mistakes 4. you are mafia and being bussed to make other players look good If 1 is true, I think you'd be more of a hindrance than an asset to town for the rest of the game If 2 is true, at least I have some leads for D2 scum If 3 is true, you're scum, which is all the matters in the end If 4 is true, you are scum, which is fantastic, and I might be able to use you to figure out other scum In any of those four cases, I don't mind you getting lynched
It is starting to look like 2. being the case. What is your thought on it now that the clusterfudge is over?
by Epishade:
+ Show Spoiler +"Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you."
In hindsight, this sounds a little weird to me.
There is a reads post by MM1, that I want to bring up right here.
MM1 says Tolkien wants to lynch lurkers. MM1 posts reads and people are still going at him HARD for some minor inconsistency in who he wanted to push?
Seeing the votes EOD, I suspect there was at least 2 scum in MM1's bandwagon.
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On June 23 2014 19:51 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:45 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, you still in the thread? Are there any people you want to talk about other than Tolkien, KotC and MeatPudding? Sure. 1) Jabber's wagoning from townreading meatpudding -> voting meatpudding 2) Nydus' s hard push on MM 3) Scott's usefulness in this lynch 4) Templar's vote switching
To answer some of your questions.
1) Initially I thought he might've switched his read because of how hard I pushed on him, but since I haven't really seen him post about this matter yet, I kind of see it being scummy. I'm going to read through his filter if a clearer answer won't come up by the end of the day.
2) I now came to the post where Nydus votes on MM1.
I really really like his town read on Jabber. It's the exact thing I'm looking for when I try to figure out his alignment
His town read on Tolkien is awkward. I can kind of see his reasoning, but after the post, I don't feel like Tolkien has been updating his reads too much. I would like to hear Nydus's updated read on Tolkien and Cats.
The flip on MM1 is weird. I can see a world where he votes on him instead of MeatPudding because of the townread he has on Tolkien, but I'm a little confused as to why he switched his vote from MP to MM1, since he didn't explain it too much.
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This post comes off as extremely obnoxious and loud (the two adjectives I would use to describe this whole case and clusterfuck as).
Why are you entertaining and asking so much for reasoning on a world that is impossible from your own perspective?
And to answer your question, since I believe you might be scum, to get a misslynch. It's really that simple.
The question screams for answers that only contain, at least partially, WIFOM.
Why are you so passionate about MM1 voting on Cats instead of you?
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:Teemu Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered.
At least your activity level went up, but you still haven't addressed some of the suspicion I've had on you.
Where am I covering tracks? I'm saying you're scummy for thinking Cats is trying to lynch you, since he wasn't. That came to me as overdefensive and I wanted to push on you for that. You didn't do much to defend yourself, ask others why they think you're scum and why they're voting you.
Since you didn't get lynched day 1, I expect a lot more from you day 2.
I don't know where you get the idea that I've made up my mind and that I want to stop pushing you. The pressure is still on you, and I haven't been the only one putting it forward. Discuss with others as well about you. We should all try to find out your alignment, instead of you trying to OMGUS me.
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On June 23 2014 13:00 Lord Tolkien wrote:
at MM1.
You apply too, though you aren't dead. Make some fking sense tonight/tomorrow and stop OMGUSing. There is a potential for a case on Teemu, but good lord man.
Please bring it on. Accuse me.
FITE ME.
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On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die.
I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other.
You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.
I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine".
You most certainly are scum, and you need to die.
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On June 23 2014 20:30 HaruRH wrote:Dude that's alot lol. Is there more  When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers.
3) I didn't see a single post by Scott, so his contribution surely is useless. I hope he just didn't check out from the game but there's not much I can really go on about. I dropped him to null because of his inactivity.
4) His voting pattern is interesting.
Initially, his switch comes off really weird. Why is MM1 more scummy than MeatPudding? Why does he not see MM1 as town?
This post, though, really buys points for him. He says the reads makes sense, and admits to pushing for a reaction. I like this post A LOT.
never changed my general opinion of MysteryMeat. However, he's sort of looking frantic at this point, so I'm considering changing my vote back. I don't like changing my vote back and forth so I'm waiting until a conclusion is being reached.
He does finally settle with voting on MM1. I don't really get the feel of scum trying to pre-emptively justify their final vote on a misslynch, so I'm still going to have him as one of my higher town names.
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That is mostly my ketchup and I want to have more discussions with people now. If anyone wants me to address anything specific from day 1, let me know and we'll talk. 8O)
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I realise now that if anyone ever wants to find my post in order to read my filter, just jump into page 41, LOL.
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On June 23 2014 20:30 HaruRH wrote:Dude that's alot lol. Is there more When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers.
I hope that wasn't too much, haha.
I'll be happy to hear your thoughts on my ketchup.
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TOWN:
HaruRH
NydusHerMain
LEANING TOWN:
Jabber
Templar
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
NULL:
Solar424
BlondeMocha
Scott31337
FENCE:
Epishade
LEANING SCUM / SCUM:
Tolkien
Cats
MeatPudding
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On June 23 2014 20:54 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 23 2014 20:30 HaruRH wrote:Dude that's alot lol. Is there more When you finish posting, I'll give my general consensus on your reads. Also, please answer the last 2 questions. I'll include what I interpret from your answers. I hope that wasn't too much, haha. I'll be happy to hear your thoughts on my ketchup. I would like to know your read on me too. Brb food
I had you as null around the time when you retracted your opinion of finding scum on day 1.
You've gone hard against MeatPudding since then and I like you a lot for that. Here's a great post. There are decent ones after this as well.
Maybe one thing I would have liked to hear you post about during the day was the whole thing about the interaction between Cats and Tolkien. At least, we're going to have the whole next day for that.
Your tone hasn't come off forced and I'm liking this interaction with you right now.
I have you as pretty strong town.
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On June 23 2014 20:59 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:04 Teemursu wrote:This post Strikes me as off a little bit. + Show Spoiler +"The posts are generally designed to appear useful, but are actually all that. He is the first one to raise the Scott=inexperienced issue (irrelevant to why I voted onto him, but still a defense of Scott when scum would probably let him burn if he was town) however, which Nydus and Teemu bandwagon onto later. Which is why only a slight scum feeling." First off, I don't understand this post. Jabber is scummy because he was the first one to give the read on Scott, and Nydus and myself agreeing with him makes him scummy? "Didn't say anything about the noticeable push onto Scott I (and Templar) made" In my opinion, it wasn't anything noticeable. I had a slight town lean on Scott, and I didn't feel like there was any reason for me to defend him. If you want to hear my opinion/reads on your posts where you push him, please link them and I will give my two cents. "or the spat between myself and Haru when we were on." I had a town lean on Haru in the first place, and I was waiting for his case/accusation on you. Based on what I saw by quickly skimming through, I'm going to have to pressure you and Cats tomorrow. I need to re-evaluate MeatPudding once I see his post about me calling him out on his weak reads. His accusation on you is interesting, since MM had kind of the same thing going on against both you and Cats. Seeing how I read this whole clusterfudge, Cats got very defensive about it, and you backed him up and pushed a misslynch, while you left Haru's thing hanging when you started focusing on MM. . IF you had the choice to narrow voting to two candidates, would you choose me and Cats, or me and Tolkien?
Tolkien and you.
We still have the whole next day, though, and I can imagine the dynamic to change.
To put it simply, I'm reading you as scum because of your weak play and inconsistency and I'm reading Cats and Tolkien scum for their interactions and reasons for pushing MM1 yesterday.
Thus, if you can provide me with content that makes me want to put you higher in my town list, I can see myself prefering Cats and Tolkien as the main two wagons tomorrow.
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On June 23 2014 09:47 Hobbitus wrote:
Wow, I really didn't realize that cats and tolkien acted so similiarly o_0 Hmm
Forgot to mention that in hindsight, I think this post is kind of funny.
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Meatpudding, what information did you expect to get out from that question and.. what info DID you get?
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I can imagine most of the people from States are asleep at this point and will be waking up around the time I'm heading home. I'll be off from work in about two hours at latest.
I'm kind of happy that there isn't much work to do where I work (office of a police station), so I can give some focus to this game.
Hope for some good discussion then.
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On June 23 2014 21:28 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:17 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, what information did you expect to get out from that question and.. what info DID you get? I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call.
Which one do you then think it is? You don't think it could be both of them?
As I said previously my thought on how yesterday happened KotC got very defensive MM1's vote on him. He didn't seem like he was playing what he called was his town play. Tolkien then kind of jumped to back KotC up in a weird way.
If there was one, I can see it being Tolkien pushing a misslynch and at the same time pocketing KotC, but I'm not really sure yet.
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On June 23 2014 21:35 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:28 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:17 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, what information did you expect to get out from that question and.. what info DID you get? I'm interested in your opinions on Cats and Tolkien because I think further investigation on those two is warranted. I'm leaning to think one of them is mafia. I wanted your opinion now so I can get a read on how you place your vote. But as you said, things will change when day starts so I'm not sure how well you can be held to such an early call. Which one do you then think it is? You don't think it could be both of them? As I said previously my thought on how yesterday happened KotC got very defensive MM1's vote on him. He didn't seem like he was playing what he called was his town play. Tolkien then kind of jumped to back KotC up in a weird way. If there was one, I can see it being Tolkien pushing a misslynch and at the same time pocketing KotC, but I'm not really sure yet.
EDIT: +was that*
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On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone.
You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list?
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Where did Haru go? Would still like to hear his opinions on my posts.
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On June 23 2014 22:18 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 22:11 HaruRH wrote:On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 21:41 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 23 2014 12:26 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Teemu On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me.Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Way to jump to conclusions. Anyway I pointed this out before that I was introducing myself and responding to Templar. On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Teemu was really quick to start pushing on me at the start and yet 20 mins later making town lean calls on Templar. On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:53 The_Templar wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 20:57 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 20:48 HaruRH wrote:On June 21 2014 20:41 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Hello people, i have a stupid username. I've been playing mafia on OMGUS (TL's evil twin that's locked in the basement and fed a bucket of fish heads every night) since last october. Between then and now i was somehow voted season 2 best town so if my play is terrible it's pretty much a certainty that i'm scum. Yea your scum play is horrible, to the extent of nearly being modkilled. I hope you aren't going to afk :/ I should be more active this game because i actually know how to play town. I was quiet in my last game because i have no idea what i'm doing as scum. How was i nearly modkilled in that game? How DO you play town? Let's talk! Do you read into tone perhaps? Who do you like/dislike? There's this guy named Teemursu who's taking things really seriously at the beginning of day 1. In all seriousness, no reads for me yet as we've just introduced each other. Meatpudding's joke seemed a bit… random, (trying to get things friendly between everyone perhaps?) but I don't think it really means anything. Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. On June 21 2014 23:09 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:04 Hobbitus wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Weird that you say that before meatpudding even reacts? But I'm with Templar, too early for me to get any reads. Might've been too early, agreed. I'm probably too used to video mafia's speed. I did get a towny vibe from Templar, though, so it's not like I came out empty-handed. To me, Teemu's willingness to make these reads based on one or two posts seems hasty and irrational. I (semi-seriously) pointed out that Teemu and Templar are likely a scum team trying to make false headway. (Hence my reading of Templar's future posts from that perspective.) On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Teemu trying to cover his tracks? Who was the first to suggest I should be lynched? - Teemu. I think that he plays too well to make mistakes like this. The only thing that could excuse him is because I'm a new player, his reads are wrong because I'm not playing the normal way. On June 21 2014 19:36 Teemursu wrote:Hey guys, I'm here to stomp mafia. Lynch my day 1 scum reads, and we're all good.
I'm in the middle of some video mafia. Hope some discussion is on the way once I come back. My name (Teemu) comes from my mum & dad. On June 22 2014 12:46 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents. I don't like Scott's posts very much. It's where I am the strongest in my town play.
Anyway, Cats is finally asking some better questions, so I am moving my focus on ## VOTE MeatpuddingI'm not sure about the Scott bandwagon, but pressuring him is not a bad idea. Teemu would have us believe that his D1 scum reads are infallible. So far he has only made one strong call to mafia (guess who) which seems suspicious to me. He has basically stopped pressuring now that he has made up his mind, and that I have helped convince half of town that I may be scum anyway. Easy lynch for Teemu. On June 22 2014 21:09 Teemursu wrote:
Meatpudding, I don't even know who Templar is..?
I get a lot of reads based on people's interaction with me (how they accuse me, etc), and so far yours has been very poor. You keep throwing scum at me without giving any explanation or backing up. Which of my reads have been off and how? Do you disagree with some or do you disagree with my reasons for my reads?
Honestly, I'm only trying to give you a chance to project town here by talking about reads, but you keep failing at it, which is making you my top scum read.
Speaking of throwing scum, people have been throwing scum at Scott, and I really wish he didn't become unmotivated as town because mafia pushed on him. >_>
Not the strongest case, all things considered. Cool, but can you please offer your insight on you vs MM? Teemu isn't quite relevant right now I think. Yes, I know. I also want to write up my thoughts on you and Cats. I'm keeping up with the thread but I don't have a read on MM. Other than what Tolkien said about lurkers being scum, I don't know. I have the net 30mins free but only so much I can type. I'm basically voting to save myself and help town. Since you didn't do anything about you and MM, can I see these thoughts or are you going to do nothing this night? I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped. I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion though. I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone. Right now my thoughts are Teemu - potential scum Tolkien - potential scum Cats - fence Templar - town Still contradictions in meatpudding's reads. You read teemu on potential scum, yet agree with him that tolkien feels scummy. So you think teemu is bussing tolkien now, or are you suggesting your scumread on teemu is lesser than tolkien? I read Teemu as scummier than Tolkien. But what Teemu has posted is a good analysis, he is trying to blend in with town after all. I am not going to go as far as suggesting that Teemu will bus Tolkien (assuming they're both scum). I will however keep an eye on how Teemu votes. He has stated that his opinions are subject to change. I don't see that as a scum tell, I think it's warranted to pressure me, Teemu, Cats and Tolkien next day. But I would pay attention to how his opinion shifts. I suspect Teemu will not give a scum read on Tolkien by day's end, and if so, I would look into the reasoning behind that.
You're suspecting this odd scenario without giving any reasoning for it, then you want to look for the reasoning AFTER it would happen?
Tolkien right now is my top scum.
You've moved right above KotC now.
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On June 23 2014 14:05 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:As soon as i saw this i knew he was going to flip green: Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 13:02 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
The only thing ill take back is thoughts on tolkien, i can see it but apparrently others can't. I think mafia just got a more talkative team.
if your mafia, keep epishade alive. He's a town that you can get to mislynch.
i townread nydus, but he could be scum, hes the most unsure of my town reads. His final push on me, honestly he's probably scummy.
ill be laughing in dead mans Qt when it turns out im right. Fuck. Anyway it's 6AM here and i really need some sleep so... 
Just noticed this. What the heck?
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KotC, I need you to read my posts and give your reads on them, please.
I'm heading off from work now. I'll be home in one to two hours depending how much I sideroad by getting some food or dropping by my local game store to play some MtG.
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Siderail, rather.
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For some reason what you two are going on about isn't giving me a read one way or the other.
Haru, I'd still like you to read through my posts and give your reads on them.
I wonder when everyone else starts posting up more?
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GlowingBear, you're adorable. Definitely leaning town. Your reads just ooze towny perspective.
What's your read on Haru?
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On June 24 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 03:04 HaruRH wrote:On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. please don't think of me this way Haha don't worry, I have good feelings towards you. You sound greeny, even blueish to me. I just like to cover all possibilities. I'd be too naive if I didn't.
Maybe not the best idea to say that out loud, LOL.
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Hey guys, I'm alive and soon to be posting.
As you guys can imagine, I'm pretty surprised that Tolkien died in the night, lol.
Anyways, I would still appreciate people to look at my analysis on Day 1. I agree with Tolkien that it's kind of frustrating that I didn't have any real time interactions with people during MM1's lynch. It annoys me a little bit that half of day 1's content came from the last 8 hours of playtime (the time when I sleep too). I hope people will be more active throughout the the coming days and not only when I sleep, haha.
I'm still kind of exhausted from going through all of day 1 (especially since no one is posting reads about it), but I'll try to gather up some info and try to re-evaluate now since Tolkien apparently flipped town.
On June 24 2014 08:42 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:
Teemu how often do you play video mafia and how many times have you played forum mafia?
Why does this matter? What kind of information are you trying to gather from this question?
I'll be posting some soon. First, some video mafia.
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Eh,
I've played for about three months and get around three games a week on average.
This is my first forum mafia game.
As was said before though, you should probably evaluate my contribution as though I haven't played video mafia before.
I dislike greatly asking from people on video, if they're a new player or not, since people generally will make a lot of wrong reads based on that information.
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From an hour to three hours, generally. Day is from 15 to 30 minutes and night is maybe 5 minutes?
Could you instead post and reference my analysis on day 1?
I'll probably start reading and answering in about three hours.
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Why are we talking about WIFOMy scenarios on Tolkien's death and not looking at who and how MM1 was pressured/voted by?
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Anyways, welcome to the game Tehpoofter & Mtamburini.
How are you guys reading MeatPudding, KotC and myself?
I'm starting to be willing to ignore whatever MP posts from now on, since his logic is starting to make less and less sense.
KotC is actually starting to sound reasonable, I'm starting to consider even putting him off from my vote list. I like his pressure on MeatPudding.
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On June 25 2014 05:22 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:17 Teemursu wrote:
Why are we talking about WIFOMy scenarios on Tolkien's death and not looking at who and how MM1 was pressured/voted by? Yes. I want to ask you about 1)what do you feel about MM's wagon and who are your suspects? 2) who do you scumread the most now? 3) how has your reads changed due to the d1 flips and n1 flips?
1) I'm still unsure about the wagon. I feel like some people overreacted on how frantic MM acted towards the end of day. I'd probably look at the people who voted on him "more quietly", since Tolkien flipped town, and I'm actually starting to like KotC more.
2) Still MeatPudding. I'd be much more motivated to play this game if he wasn't in this game.
3) The answer to the first question partly answers this one as well. Tolkien -was- my top scum read before the flip, and the fact that he flipped green makes me really re-evaluate KotC. I'm not sure about their interaction anymore, since it's how someone said before, they acted very similarly.
I kind of wish I was there to push the lynch on MeatPudding, so that we could have actually maybe got the lynch on him instead.
I really wish that people who have leaned on him as "bad town" instead of actual scum would explain their reads and discuss them with me, since almost no one has yet to give their thoughts to the post-spam I had during the night phase.
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Epishade and Hobbitus are currently the biggest question marks to me interactions-wise. Once I find some more energy to really get back into the game, I'm going to focus on their filters the most.
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If anyone has any questions about reads or their posts, please, let's talk!
I'm tired of going through huge posts of reads and content. I'd rather interact with people and get reads through that. It's difficult to keep jumping and shifting the focus on and off from something that is so content heavy. I'm expecting at least ten pages full of content once I wake up tomorrow, LOL.
Anyways, enough about ranting. Someone, let's talk!
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Hey, GlowingBear, I read your long post and saw that you read Epishade as scummy. Could you read him a little bit? I'm curious about him and kind of skimming through his filter.
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On June 23 2014 10:18 Epishade wrote:
Though meatpudding hasn't really done much to convince me, Meat's inactivity and illogical/inconsistent posting has made me question my vote on meatpudding in favor of a better lynch.
Sorry Meat. You might be town, but you've made questionable choices for me to not vote you.
Unvote
Vote: MysteryMeat1
I still dislike this post GREATLY. Hasn't MP been as illogical/inconsistent about his posting, if not more? How have you been re-evaluating MP today?
I would like for you to take a look at MP's interaction with Haru, KotC and myself in the night. I feel like we pressured him well and he started to crumble a bit.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 22:23 Teemursu wrote:
I read Teemu as scummier than Tolkien. But what Teemu has posted is a good analysis, he is trying to blend in with town after all. I am not going to go as far as suggesting that Teemu will bus Tolkien (assuming they're both scum). I will however keep an eye on how Teemu votes. He has stated that his opinions are subject to change. I don't see that as a scum tell, I think it's warranted to pressure me, Teemu, Cats and Tolkien next day. But I would pay attention to how his opinion shifts. I suspect Teemu will not give a scum read on Tolkien by day's end, and if so, I would look into the reasoning behind that. You're suspecting this odd scenario without giving any reasoning for it, then you want to look for the reasoning AFTER it would happen? Tolkien right now is my top scum. You've moved right above KotC now.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 22:02 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
I was going through KotC's posts when the lynch was taking place. I kind of couldn't make up my mind, even after MM flipped.
I was not happy to vote for MM, because the case against him didn't convince me completely. His own reactions caused a lot of suspicion. though.I can't call Cats or Tolkien scum based on that alone.
Right now my thoughts are
Teemu - potential scum
Tolkien - potential scum
Cats - fence
Templar - town
Odd. It feels like you're hiding something and not wanting to make up your mind about someone. You say you can't call Tolkien scum based on that, but you agree with me on Tolkien being scum, and you put him into your potential scum list?
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Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again.
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Banks, if there's anything you want to talk about while you're going through the pages, let me know!
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On June 25 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote:
Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again. This post is wolfy.
This post is wolfy.
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On June 25 2014 06:08 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:06 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:05 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 25 2014 06:04 Teemursu wrote:
Tehpoofter, you calling people wolves making me want to participate again. This post is wolfy. JK You and every single person in the village better be participating its going to be a sad day if all the talk is me talking to me. I'll do it and still find the wolves but I'm going to have less fun. Finally it wont be me and teemu talking to each other during this time. Ask any questions you want. But please don't ask me questions like 'summarise d1 for me' etc such open ended questions.
I know Banks is better than that.
JK.
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HaruRH
Templar,
KotC
NydusHerMain
MeatPudding
GlowingBear
fuck your formatting
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Banks, what is your read on Jabber?
I feel like I'm the only one town reading him.
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On June 25 2014 06:23 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:16 HaruRH wrote:
Top Town: Templar, myself.
Town: Glowingbear, kotc, teemu
Fence : hobbitus
Scum: nydus, epi
Top scum: jabber, meatpudding
Probably scum for making me talk about wolf: mtam, poofter Good distancing. Also so you both agree meatpudding is a wolf you guys voting him I assume?
YES, PLEASE, KILL HIM.
## Vote: MeatPudding
I half-forgot that it's the day and that we can vote again.
yay.
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On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general
Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
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Nydus, how about instead you talk with me, Haru and Banks about people and reads?
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I'm on the same mindset as you, GlowingBear.
I'm going to keep an eye out on Epi. I have a gut feel from him doing his best at "sounding towny".
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On June 25 2014 06:37 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:28 Teemursu wrote:
Nydus, how about instead you talk with me, Haru and Banks about people and reads? I said I'd give a writeup in a couple of hours... I'm just reading through everything right now and gathering my thoughts. A little hostile Teemu?
If you want to read it that way.
I'd just rather prefer having discussions with people instead of having to reading a couple of walls of posts and spend too much effort in analyzing them.
Just like in video mafia, y'know?
EDIT: having to read*
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Woops, I accidentally pressed edit instead of quote. I'm sorry. :S
Should probably go to bed.
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Banks, could you imagine if video mafia's structure would be something like having one formal per person, and then people creating bandwagons based on those formals?
No discussion between formals. Limited questions/pressure on people.
I'm all down for some walls of posts, but I don't want those to be the only content people will provide.
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On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts.
Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about?
Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything.
What do you think of KotC after the flips?
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Just initial feelings, I don't necessarily even need you to read the stuff him and I posted during the night phase.
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On June 25 2014 07:08 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? Feels like you're buddying a village as a wolf teemu.
I'm just too lazy to read his filter right now.
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Hey, guy Epi. What do you think of my reads on KotC? I talked a bunch about him during the night.
I feel insulted that I'm tied for scummy with MeatPudding.
Could you talk to me about this post a little bit? Where is your thought process of flip-flopping on MeatPudding being a "misguided townie" and "scum"? I don't need you to refer to anything specific. Just post your thought process.
People, including me, have read the last part of the post as pretty scummy. Anything you want to address there?
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I'm so proud of myself
and disappointed on everyone else.
Get voting, please!
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On June 25 2014 07:21 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:11 Epishade wrote:Ok, well, I said last night that I'd get around to posting my reads on everybody. This'll probably take a few hours to type up, so I hope things don't drastically change between that time to make my reads obsolete. I'm getting dinner after this, so I'll be back to read afterwards. JabberZerg - Slight town lean + Show Spoiler +JabberZerg is one of the people in this game that I think is playing so bad he couldn't be scum (Jk, not AS bad as Meat anyways). I realize that MysteryMeat was also playing pretty bad, but he was also not helping his case with his aggressiveness and misuse of logic. JabberZerg at least can explain his actions. Jabber puts meatpudding in his townlean at the start of the game here. On June 22 2014 16:20 jabberwockzerg wrote:
yeah, pudding's a townlean
I'd be most comfortable with a tolkien vote, but I want him to read my post about scott and react to it, defend his wagon.
I'll agree with a fence on KittyCats, he's asking questions, but I'm noticing a lack of content. However, he votes for meatpudding later here with the excuse that he wanted to vote someone so he wouldn't be modkilled if something happened. I have to question his choice of voting for meatpudding over someone else. On June 23 2014 04:01 jabberwockzerg wrote:
Hey guys, I'm out for most of the day, but I'll try to keep up on my phone, and I'll be home for the last three hours or so to read through all the filters and make my final vote.
I just want to make a quick vote now in case something happens I won't get modkilled.
##Vote: meatpudding When he comes back, he explains his reasoning behind the vote being that meatpudding was a wagon. On June 23 2014 09:37 jabberwockzerg wrote:
okay first thing's first:
##: Unvote
I voted pudding because, honestly, he was the first person with a wagon that I could remember. I was trying to save my stupid ass from a modkill.
I understand that it looks scummy.
I'll get on reading through filters and give my thoughts on the meat situation ASAP This seems like a really bad reason to vote for someone without having his own reasons for doing so. He understands it looks scummy, as he says. Honestly, I don't think a mafia would make a mistake like this, to vote for someone just because they were a wagon. That seems like way too dumb a move that mafia would make. In the end, he votes for Meat because of spite imo. On June 23 2014 11:58 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 11:56 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
im not going to share my thought process on one person. deal with it... You might not like how I'm gonna deal with it ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Honestly, I don't blame him for that. Meat was posting like crap at the end. He wouldn't answer some of JabberZerg's qustions either. The way he voted for Meat isn't as methodical like those that listed reasons for voting for Meat. I'd think a mafia is always going to try to be methodical and use pseudo-logic to cover themselves, instead of voting based on emotion. I had a scumread on JabberZerg before I looked through his filter. Now I think he looks a bit town to me. Haruhi - Town + Show Spoiler +Haruhi's posted a lot, and with the recent roleblock, I have to say I'd view her as town. She is conversing a ton, but is not afraid to throw votes on people she thinks is scummy so far. The first comes with her vote on Token. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien I read her as townie for doing this before, so I'll just post my previous reasoning again. On June 22 2014 11:14 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 08:15 Lord Tolkien wrote:There really isn't much to say right now. All I can say is that Teemursu is my only solid read for me atm (as town). While Nydus has played with him before and says this behavior is alignment-null, he's instigating the scumhunting that town sorely needs early D1. As a result, I would peg him as town (or at least, a non-viable D1 lynch). That being said, I don't agree with any of the early lynch candidates thus far (as in, I don't have a strong enough read on any of them currently), and would rather lynch a lurker at this point in time. That includes scott, because his post was pretty much a non-response. Of Cats or meatpudding, if I had to choose a D1 lynch atm, I'd vote meatpudding solely based on thread contribution.
-Teemu agrees with me and "thinks I'm town", which I always appreciate, but he "thinks I'm town". He could be a town, or a mafia trying to make both of us or just me look mafia. Again, completely ambiguous and I'm not sure.
My general impression of mafia players in my limited experience is that they work to distance themselves as much as possible. I personally do not read too much into it atm; without a flip it's speculation. Lord tolkien, this is the wrong way to approach forum mafia. In forum mafia, you lynch for scum ONLY, not for information/clearing lurkers/usefulness to town. We usually clear lurkers with cops and people useful to town will die quick to mafia anyway. I have a feeling you knew this. Coupled with how you wanted to go with meatpudding but went with scott just for a wagon, you're playing really scummy. ##Vote: lord tolkien
I wrote this in response
At this point in the game, I'm going to have to disagree with Haruhi. How could we possibly know who scum is on day one? I have a feeling that Teemursu is possible scum, but I'm not going to vote for Teemursu just yet because he's talking a lot and being active. If he turned out to be actual town that'd be even worse had we voted him off because he was an active contributor. If we get rid of all the active townies, then mafia has a significantly better shot at winning. Token's voting for Scott as someone who hasn't contributed much, which seems justified enough to me. In my first game I voted off a non-contributing townie, and I'd probably do it again, as he didn't defend himself well enough to sway votes off of him.
I personally, though, think that your pushing on Token was too hard, even voting for him so quickly, for it to be scummy though. I'd think a scum wouldn't want to put themselves out like that so easily. So, though I disagree with you for now, that doesn't mean I think you're scum. I'd say you were town for making a move that I found questionable, but only because I think a scum would be better than to make a move so rash. It's all pretty much impossible to tell anyways though.
Again, I tend not to put a lot of thought into day 1 posts. I did on my first mafia game and everything I had gathered at that point turned out to be wrong. I don't want that to happen again here.
Well, I spent an hour and a half writing this out. It's almost 2 now, so I should probably get some sleep. Usually I can stay up a lot later guys, but I'm not at my house right now, so it's not an option right now. Tomorrow I should be able to post more if I see anything I want to add, but I'm getting off for tonight after I post this and refresh. KK.
Her read on meatpudding makes a lot of sense, too. On June 22 2014 21:39 HaruRH wrote:In fact, meatpudding's vote on me is very questionable. 1) Contradicts himselfLet's take a look at his reason to vote for me. + Show Spoiler +On June 22 2014 20:58 meatpudding wrote:
Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now. TL'DR Asking vaque questions, not pushing anyone. By looking at what he has posted, all his questions were very vague and he never follows up on the questions. Also, he is pushing even less than me (He only stated he find teemu/Templar suspicious). If he is scum, he is currently finding suspicion on as many people as possible so that it will look less suspicious of him to jump wagons when the situation arises. 2) Does not stick to his readsHe initially read Templar and teemu as potential scum. Then, he votes me based on a 2 liner 'push' that can be applied to half the players here. This is similar to the point where I mention that he could be trying to jump wagons later on without getting suspected of doing so - he can freely jump between voting me, Templar and teemu. This is very indicative of scum since he as explained by himself. This is more than enough for a d1 vote for me. ##Unvote
##Vote: Meatpudding meatpudding doesn't make a whole lot of sense, so Haruhi calls him out on it. I happen to agree, too, and offer my own post about meatpudding where I vote for him. Haruhi's scum stance on meatpudding also attributes to her townieness I feel. Cats - Town lean + Show Spoiler +I really didn't pay much attention to Cats until he pointed out that Meat voted for him while ignoring Token. Honestly, I think I've been tunneling Cats as probable town whole game for little reason other than him being picked out unfairly by Meat and Nydus (whom I didn't agree with his vote). I saw nothing scummy about Cats when he was voted for. His vote for Meat was the most justified however out of all of us. On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Ok, i'm voting MysteryMeat. I really don't like that he said i was super scummy for bringing up the idea of lynching an inactive while completely ignoring the fact that Tolkien did the same thing and voting me for it seeing as thread sentement wasn't exactly in my favour at the time. Him thinking i'm "super scummy" is completely disproportionate to the rest of the thread's view which is null to slightly scummy at best so i'm having a hard time thinking his implied certainty that i'm scum is genuine plus as i said at the time i looked like a likely lynch candidate and two people had voted for me shortly before his post. His double standard regarding my and Tolkien's scumminess combined with his overconfidence that i'm scum posted just when a wagon was forming on me looks like an excuse made up to jump on an easy bandwagon from my pov. Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. This post, in conversation with Templar, is what makes me think he leans town. On June 23 2014 08:06 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 07:52 The_Templar wrote:On June 23 2014 07:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Also him posting that a non alignment indicative thing is scummy is itself scummy, he's twisting things to suit his own purposes: On June 22 2014 22:25 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 22 2014 22:01 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 17:49 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
yoyoyoyo whats up guys!
im the mystery of the meat! i know quite a few people here, teemu and nydus from vid mafia, epishade my self-proclaimed pretend to be best friend, and templar from blogs and stuff. Just from reading throug the last couple of pages
current reads:
THE_TEMPLAR:
he likes my blogs which is a pretty big plus one
I don't like how he links his mafia play filter. IMO its pretty scummy people who do it. ITs like guys this is how i play mafia, don't worry i can't possibly change my play and fool you guys. THE_Templar and one other posted their filters, which seemed pretty scummy.
I read Scott's posts and didn't really see any reason to vote on him. However its forum mafia, so voting 20 hours before deadline isn't that big of a deal as you can always switch. Don't mind him pressuring scott either.
King of the cats:
I honestly really don't like him, seems super scummy, in one of his arguments on lynching, he mentions that he doesn't care about alignment. If you can push a mislynch day1, then you can kill a stronger player in the night. Top scum at the moment.
Hobbitus:
Mentions its his first game. Considering this is a newbie game, makes sense that he would post it. However i don't really like that he posted that. He also blows stuff up. all in all, don't like his post buts its not enough to give a solid read on. leaning town.
Teemu:
excels at finding scum day1, perfectly alright with pinging people out. Also votes can change, at this point i feel like votes are just to pressure people. And in my experience, votes made closer to deadline mean a whole lot more.
meatpudding:
leaning town, didn't jump on any bandwagons, however its self-proclaimed which i don't really like.
Nydus:
seems pretty town, he's making reads, and he was a bit trolly at the begining with the haikus but switched into serious mode.
Every one else, just from a quick read through didn't stand out too much, or i forgot to post about them.
for now though, i'll vote on cat, as i think he's pretty scummy.
##VOTE: TheKingOfCats I would like to know what your actual read on Teemu is. All you've given is a description of what he is like in video mafia. I like the reasoning you gave behind your Templar read, although I am leaning town on him. Overall, I like the reads that you gave, even though I don't necessarily agree with all of them. I am leaning town on you MysteryMeat1. The things he said about Templar were not good points, he's trying to say that something that isn't alignment indicative is scummy. If Templar is scum then his point is valid given enough time but you can't make your scum play match your town play overnight, seeing as he's only played 3 games here and been scum in only 1 of them it's safe to say he doesn't even know how to play scum let alone match his scum play to his town play, and if he's town it would make sense to post filters from previous games so you can see if he's playing like he was in his past town games thus giving people a chance to meta read him. It's not inherently scummy and any attempt to paint it as such is just WIFOM. Fun fact: I confused Templar with Epishade and he confused Templar with Tolkien but amazingly the point still stands because this is only Tolkien's 3rd game. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1Predit: I'm not entirely sure i like the way this post is worded, feel free to give me shit for it. I agree his quick scum read on you is sort of sudden and not particularly justified. But he's barely posted since then so maybe he was planning on not doing much for the rest of the day. If that was supposed to be a defence of MM it's not a very good one. Him possibly not planning on doing much for the rest of the day is hardly alignment indicative and if anything coming up with a weak reason to join a wagon and fucking off till flip is actually scummy. I think here, Cats slightly suspects Templar of potentially defending MM for his vote, thinking they are both potential mafia. If he were mafia, he wouldn't care to throw this suspicion at Templar (as slight as it might have been) because he knows that MM would flip town, and everything he suspected Templar of wouldn't matter after that. He didn't know at this point, and so he expressed doubt that Templar was actually town through his defense of Meat. He also analyzes my post about Token's death as well. On June 24 2014 21:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. First of all you're assuming that scum shot Tolkien, it's possible that scum got jailed/roleblocked and the vig shot Tolkien. Tolkien being shot because be suspected the right people makes little sense but lets analyze it a bit. If me or meatpudding are scum it would be pointless to shoot him for suspecting us because half the game does, if either of us were to shoot him it wouldn't change anything for us and it would actually be detrimental for us to do that as scum because Tolkien was looking scummy to a lot of people too and he would've been one of the easier people to push for a mislynch. seeing as him, me and meatpudding were the main lynch candidates today we wouldn't kill one of our most valid chances to escape a lynch. Teemu, well this one's simple. If he was going to shoot someone for being "on" to him it would've been meatpudding because meatpudding's been on him more. Why would he shoot Tolkien over meatpudding? Why would he shoot either of them for that matter? They were both suspicious to a lot of people and he wasn't. As for Jabber...i dunno. He seems to be on a few peoples radars if i remember correctly, it would make more sense to shoot one of them for being "on" to him as opposed to one of the lynch candidates. It really doesn't make sense for scum to shoot him especially for the reason you posted. Personally i think the less likely situation of scum's NK being blocked and a Vig targeting Tolkien is more likely. He's thinking like a townie here, thinking through all the people he might think would have reason to shoot Token, and explaining why or why not they might have done it. He also suggests that vigi killed Token and mafia's shot was blocked, which, though I think is a little unlikely still, is not outside chance, considering Templar was jailed (which I didn't know at the time). Nydus - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +I started off Nydus with a townlead originally for asking Templar to ignore any of Teemursu's video mafia experience in making reads on him, here. (Sorry for formatting). Show nested quote +
On June 22 2014 08:20 The_Templar wrote:
Personally, I don't know about Teemu, partly because I don't know about video mafia. I'm going to research this further. Scum-hunting isn't essential on day 1; I think it's more of a developing point in the game but that's just my two cents.
I don't like Scott's posts very much.
I'd like you to imagine that Teemu had absolutely no experience in video mafia prior to this forum game. I say this because I feel like you're holding back on reading him because of two possible reasons. One, you're used to active day 1 scum hunting as being a mafia tell but I'm telling you that it's not. Two, you're scum trying to give multiple null reads in order to keep your options open in the future. I changed my stance on him though when he voted for Cats. On June 22 2014 16:05 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 16:03 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:45 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 jabberwockzerg wrote:On June 22 2014 15:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 15:41 Teemursu wrote:
Haru, could you give your case on Lord Tolkien if you think he's scum?? EDIT: Minus one question mark. It's way less frantic now : ) Hey, jabber, you're in the thread with me, cool! Let's talk. What's your read on Scott? Scott just seems totally lost tbh. Nothing he has said is really scummy. He could definitely put in more work for the town, but that just comes from inexperience. New Scum players tend to go overboard or post almost nothing, which isn't what he's doing. Anything you want to say about him? I absolutely agree with this. He seems completely inexperienced rather than scummy. #Vote: TheKingOfCatsI still think that TheKingOfCats is the most scummy, followed by MeatPudding. I will update my vote accordingly but that is how I stand at the moment. He votes for Cats with his reasoning here: On June 22 2014 02:21 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 02:14 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 02:07 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 22 2014 01:53 Teemursu wrote:On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:
As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it.
Why does it seem forced? I'm not reaction testing him. I did get a towny feel from what he said in the brackets.
I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town.
I don't really hear you giving town/scum perspective reads either. I didn't necessarily read his defensiveness caused by TheKingOfCats's null read to come from a towny perspective. Could you specifically explain that read? When I play with you in video mafia, your town reads come from hearing people give several reads, and deciding on whether or not you like their logic. Seeing you give a quick town read for something very small that I personally don't see as being particularly alignment indicative is very weird from you. Perhaps your playstyle is different on forum mafia but if this were video mafia, you'd be quick to drop into my scum list. Having played with me before, you should know that my town and scum reads come from small things that people do or say whereas your reads come from a bigger picture. Reading the posts again, I realize that TheKingOfCats didn't even give a null read, rather, he gave no read at all. Meatpudding's defensiveness actually does seem scummy. I am getting names mixed up and should read more carefully. Personally, I feel like I'm expressing things here that I don't normally bother saying in video. I agree with you getting town reads from small things, but I rarely hear you explain reads by saying from which alignment/perspective players are telling their reads. In either case, we should evaluate each other based on this game alone. Discussing how our play might differ from different form of mafia is probably not going to give us much. In any case, what's your read on TheKingOfCats? My read on TheKingOfCats so far is that he is potential scum with MeatPudding.Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:17 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? It's too early for me to have any reads. Seeing as this is Meatpudding's first game i don't think his post was alignment indicative but if he doesn't contribute anything he'll be a good lynch regardless of his alignment. Show nested quote +On June 22 2014 01:49 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:52 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town? TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. So I didn't specifically call you out. Apparently I got a reaction anyway, which is good, considering I just said I only pinged you out. I don't feel like TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch you at all, and I'm not sure how I should read your defensiveness about that (new player/mafia being pushed). He did give a fence read on you though. Like, It's obvious that we should lynch people who don't contribute at all. He's someone I'm going to keep my eye on. Please explain to me how i gave a fence read on meatpudding when i didn't give a read on him at all. I find it weird that TheKingOfCats' first reaction is to question Teemu on a supposed "null read" when I feel like MeatPudding saying that TheKingOfCats is trying to lynch him (pretty much saying that TheKingOfCats has a scum read on him) is a much scummier thing. Ok, so he thinks meatpudding and Cats are a scumteam right now, and Cats is townreading meatpudding for that reason. However, he seems to contradict himself, as he said before that he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so early in the game. On June 22 2014 01:39 NydusHerMain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:59 Teemursu wrote:Yeah, I'm probably the most serious person you'll meet on this forum. I actually kinda like this read. Feels like it's coming from a towny perspective. We -are- all new here and some are playing for the first time, and your read has that ring to it. As someone who plays with you a lot in video mafia, I feel like this is not a typical read of yours. Seems a bit forced, and I hope that it's a reaction test. If it is, I'd like you to explain what you got from it. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:31 meatpudding wrote:On June 21 2014 23:19 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 23:09 meatpudding wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 20:41 The_Templar wrote:
Hi, I'm The_Templar. I'm from the sc2 section. I am a mapmaker and I live report sometimes.
I play a lot of sc2 mafia (the mod) but it's filled with idiots and trolls so I decided I wanted a challenge here. I played a game in TL+ where I was a mafia goon but I don't think anyone else here has TL+ to compare it so w/e.
I know Epishade and MM1 because they are pretty good at blogs, as well as meatpudding (not that well though).
My name story is that I wanted a 'normal' name when I was 13 so I decided to pick a unit, but I didn't want to pick just one so I decided to be ambiguous with templar.
I… am not a star trek fan, but I'll bear the flavor as if it's normal flavor.
Good luck everyone! Since you're wondering, it was a direct response to this post. I usually browse custom maps but don't often post there. What was a direct response to that post? This post was a response to Templar: On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. But I was just describing my general forum attitude. Since I signed up to play I intend to contribute of course. Teemu was quick to call me out though, but he backed up Templar straight away. Two scum trying to blend in with town?TheKingOfCats tries to lynch me as well, but I think he's town trying to prod me if I'm mafia. I don't think scum align themselves so quickly. The read seems a bit weak but I don't necessarily think it comes from scum. Your read on TheKingOfCats seems to come from a towny perspective. Not sure what to think of you yet but leaning town. So he says he doesn't think scum aligns themselves so quickly, but is ready to vote for Cats based on your thought that, since he said he didn't think meatpudding's post was particularly alignment indicative. Wouldn't that imply that Cats and meatpudding had aligned themselves together? Anyways, I thought Nydus' vote kind of contradicted that, and I didn't think Cats was scummy at the time, so I questioned his vote. Afterwards, he changes his vote to MysteryMeat here, and townreads Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg. On June 23 2014 12:23 NydusHerMain wrote:I just woke up so I should have a clearer mind for this. ##: UnvoteLordTolkien: Town + Show Spoiler +LordTolkien starts off the game saying that people trying to solve the game are town, and that lurkers are mafia. I thought that this was scummy because of how he was defending Teemu just for being someone being active. He didn't just say that Teemu was off the table, he said that Teemu was town. However, as I read through his filter, it is clear that his reads keep updating. I feel like it is more indicative of scum to tunnel on certain people with weak reasons, whereas LordTolkien looks like he's constantly getting new town and scum reads. Town + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2014 23:57 jabberwockzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. you know the rules, and so do I Feels like it's coming from a town perspective. I know it's a weird thing to town read someone off of but it looks like he's annoyed with this post in a "Wow, thanks for the input, I also read the rules" kind of way. As opposed to most people, his reads aren't as polarized and it gives the feel of him trying to find out why people find certain people scummy that he has a town or fence read on. Town + Show Spoiler +Sigh... I was reading through his attack on The_Templar based on how The_Templar supposedly knew there was more than one mafia... it was pregame filter. Hard to clear my mind from that but I'll try. As of this moment, his play feels very consistent. Can't really see any glaring inconsistencies. The fact that he compiled reads that people made alone makes me want to say that he's town just for effort but we all know that effort is not alignment indicative. I didn't like how he had a lot of fluff when people were already in scum hunting mode. Actually, to be honest, he's asking great questions. I was going to say leaning town just because of the fluff but I feel like his contributions outweigh that. I wanted to give more detailed reads on everyone but I feel like I don't have enough time with how much time is left in the day to actually finish my reads so I'm going to be way more concise from now on. I don't think that TheKingOfCats is as scummy as I originally thought he was. I feel like MysteryMeat1 just sheeped my read on him and is actually scummier than I thought. I was pretty tired when I made those reads initially. I rescind my town read on Teemu, I pretty much townread him because our reads seemed to align but after reading through the thread again, I feel like our reads are starting to differ. I'm not saying that it means Teemu is scum, but I'm just not feeling him as town as I did prior. The_Templar I'm getting towny vibes from, otherwise, I don't really have standout reads. Everyone else is more leaning null aside from MeatPudding who I also think is scummy. ##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Though, he does rescind his read on Teemursu and Cats, it's a while after everyone kind of already knew Cats wasn't going to be lynched and Teemursu was being read as scummy anyways. I don't think it would make much sense for a scum to keep those opposing views, but a townie could just as well do the same, so I can't hold that against Nydus here. He does end up voting Meat without an explanation. Could just be he didn't think he had time to read through and come up with a reason? Idk, that's not alignment indicative either though. He was scumreading meatpudding too, so he could have voted for meatpudding just as well here. It didn't really matter which Meat he picked here. He ends up townreading Haruhi, Token, and JabberZerg, too. JabberZerg he townreads based on a joke that Jabber made though, so I'm not sure if he'd still want to keep that read, as he didn't realize Jabber was referring to a song in the post that he townreads him. I started out this read thinking that Nydus was scum, but now I'm not entirely sure. He's a scumlean at best, but he conflicts with a lot of other people I thought were scum too, such as Teemursu and meatpudding. GlowBear - Slight town + Show Spoiler +GlowBear's a little harder of a read for me. I kind of think he is town for questioning Haruhi's alignment, since she is a large part of the thread and he's worried she may be leading us astray, especially when nobody views Haruhi as scum currently (I don't think). On June 24 2014 02:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I think Haru is dangerous because he leads our reads. He ask questions to be answered and, therefore, changes the route of our reasoning. If he is scum, he has got us on his hands.
But I never saw any scum sign in his posts. I think he ask good questions that may help town. So, I think he is townie. I also like that he's clearly giving his reads on everybody in the game, as this makes it harder for him to backtrack on somebody that he thinks might be scum. He doesn't go too in-depth in his reads, but the fact that he's doing it at all seems kind of townie to me. On June 23 2014 08:06 GlowingBear wrote:Ok, following this order, here are my reads of these reads: On Nydus's: + Show Spoiler + He's got the same reads i've got on meatpudding and TheKingOfCats (I've said earlier that I wasn't really sure about meatpudding but after analyzing his reads I've started to believe he is leaning scum, I'll tell why on his time), although I don't think he's got good grounds on it. I don't think that questioning Teemu instead of TheKingOfCats is ground for possible scummy.
That said, I don't actually see solid argumentation here, but nothing suspicious. Null-read on Nydus. On MysteryMeat's: + Show Spoiler + *On his reads on The_Templar, I don't see direct relation between having scum filters and that being scummy. You may clarify this assumption so I could understand it better, but it means nothing to me right now.
*On his reads on scott, I'm with him. I'd just say that, as someone said, Scott is kinda lost in the game. ALTHOUGH voting on himself looked very suspicious. Sounded like he was trying to get away from being lynched by looking as a victim.
*On his reads on Cats, I' with him again. Most of TheKingOfCats posts sounds scummy to me.
*On his reads on Hobbitus, I don't see a problem on saying that it's her first game. I have a townie-read on Hobbitus, but I need to read more of her posts to get a stronger read.
*On his reads on Teemu, I disagree. As someone said, forcing a "pinging out" before analyzing meatpudding's reaction was suspicious, as to push voting to someone he knows it's not his partner in case he is a scum. Some other of his posts have a scummy vibe, although sometimes I see him leaning townie. I have no reads on Teemu by now.
*On his reads on meatpudding, I disagree. He sounded scum in the beginning of the game and in other times later. I have a specific argument which I'll reveal while analyzing meatpudding reads.
*On his reads on Nydus, I'm not really sure. I think Nydus is leaning townie, but that's a weak read I have.
That said, there is little I can tell about MysteryMeat. Null-read. I will do a less detailed read on reads from now on, or the post will get too big. On Templar's: + Show Spoiler + His reads are kinda confusing for me, actually. He suspects Nydus but doesn't suspect Cats nor meatpudding? Then, after, assumes that his best guess for scum is Cats? It's confusing and I don't agree with it but I have to admit his grounds on Nydus are ok.
Null-read on Templar's for now, I think if he could clarify his assumptions I'd have a better read on him On Tolkien's (and about Lurking) + Show Spoiler + I think he has no grounds on Scott and his "lynch all lurkers" policy worries me. As one of the guides said, it's a common blue strategy to lurk. But that's not the main point.
The main point is: if you are Mafia and you have Mafia partners lurking, would you risk forcing this "lynch all lurkers" policy? I don't think so. Now, if you are Mafia and all your partners are on the game, what would you do? Force the policy so you could lynch a blue, as lurking is a common blue strategy.
Moreover, if you are convincend I am town, this means that lurkers definetely weren't all Mafia, which would mean that Mafia strategy of lynching lurkers is a huge possibility.
Again, saying "As for the possibility of hitting a lurking blue role or whatever, it is a risk" worries me the most. Would you take the risk to take a cop out of the game instead of trying to identify active scum?
Because of these, I have a strong scumread on Tolkien He is still forcing this policy by now. On Haru's: + Show Spoiler +He's got the same opinion as I. Moreover, I said before I have a strong feeling Haru is townie. Therefore, thats how I read him. On Epishade's: + Show Spoiler + Alright, not sure what to think about Teemu and Templar, as I said before. Therefore, I cannot totally disagree with the arguments Epishade brought. Really hard to analyze. But at least he brought plausible arguments.
I have a leaning town read on Epishade because I think he is trying to contribute and brings good grounds with his reads, although I might not agree with them.. On Teemu's: + Show Spoiler + Again, not sure what to think about Teemu and his reads are ok but I can't see his grounds in this post. Not a reliable read I must say. On Scott's: + Show Spoiler + I've not got much to say, it's pratically the point of view I'm having of the game right now. Makes me wonder if I'm misunderstaning his self-vote. I'd null-read him for now. On meatpudding's: + Show Spoiler +
"Not very sure how to vote. I could read players that are defensive as scum.
##Vote: HaruRH
Haru is not really pushing town agenda. Asking vague questions, not pushing anyone in particular. Calling out when Hobbitus contradicts herself, does not seem like a good read to me.
I'm still leaning towards Teemu as scum. Teemu and Templar have played before, maybe that is why they are acting familiar, but it seems like Teemu's reads are off.
Cats is asking lots of questions, I am leaning town here.
On Templar, I think only his one long post gives much info. I think he plays town, but could be trying to give false info.
Tolkien seems noncommittal, then starts a bandwagon. Not sure here.
Hobbitus not posting much but looks like town trying to get some early reads.
That's all I have for now."
There is a huge contradiction here. Meatpudding is declaring Haru guilty for the same reason he decides Cats is not-guilty. He says that Haru is asking vague questions, but if Cats isn't, I don't know how a precise question should be. This seems really suspicious and, as I think Cats is probably scum, meatpudding may trying to cover up a partner.
I have a strong scumread here. On Haru's (again) + Show Spoiler + Haru has got the same opinion as I, that meatpudding is contradicting(?) himself, and I've concluded this opinion before even reading Haru's scumread. I'm with him. On Templar's (again): + Show Spoiler + Once again, I cannot read Templar. But this time he brought good grounds on most of his assumptions, although I might not agree with them. Phew, that took long! Having said all of these, although I still have a feeling that TheKingOfCats might be scum, I'll vore for meatpudding as I've got now a stronger read on him. So... ##Vote: meatpudding Glowbear also calls into question my post about Token's death, which is good, though I disagree with him on which of his scenarios is more likely. On June 24 2014 23:24 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2014 14:35 Epishade wrote:
Ermm, I was really not expecting Token to get shot, of all people. I expected either myself, Haruhi, or Templar to die tbh, as we've all been townread for the majority of the game by most people. Token could have been a potential case if someone were to call him out, so I have a hard time rationalizing why mafia would shoot Token over someone more townie.
The only way I can see Token's shot being justified is if mafia thought he was on the right track and shot him to get rid of him, because objectively, that looked like a bad shot to me. You usually shoot people that have little chance of getting lynched for reading townie, but there seemed to be enough suspicion on Token (or at least, more than the three people I listed above) for me to think that that wasn't the reason he was shot.
There are a few people that Token scumreads over day 1, and I think that probably played a part in his death.
His scumreads:
JabberZerg (initially, then changed his mind to a townread at 4:00, which wouldn't have given mafia time to change their shot if JabberZerg wanted to keep Token alive for townreading him, assuming that Jabber is mafia)
meatpudding
Teemursu
Cats
His townreads:
Haruhi
Templar
me
Hobbit (only in his post at 4:00)
Fence reads:
Nydus
Dunno reads:
GlowBear
Other peoples
So I think the cases should probably be focused on people in his scum list at this point. I mean, he did say for people to look at me, GlowBear, and Nydus day 2 in his 4:02 post, but I'm not considering these specifically right now because they came too late to be able to influence mafia, and I'm only looking at the reasoning for shooting Token here over someone else.
He also asked me to post my reads on him, Cats, and meatpudding at this point, too, but I woke up too early today and am dead tired. I'll post my reads on everybody I have reads for sometime tomorrow after I wake up.
Night all. Your post strike me as odd. It's because the scenario you've brought isn't the only one possible. Possible scenarios are: 1) Tolkien was on the right track and asking the right questions, so it was better for Mafia to make him shut up. This is too simplistic, it would easily lead townies to lynch the right people. I don't think Mafia would do this. 2) Tolkien wasn't on the right track but being shot would lead town to misread other townies. This one seems more plausible to me. 3) My stupid mistake made them change their top townies change targets to someone who had more scumreads 4) Top townies are actually very good scums and they killed at random (I think this is too much) As I think (2) is more plausible, your post striked me as odd because you seem to push (1) as the only possible interpretation, leading townies to misreads and, therefore, to mislynchs. I'll keep an eye on you. meatpudding - Scum lean + Show Spoiler +
meatpudding has, like MysteryMeat, not exactly used the best logic in his posts. A lot of people have called him out on it and I don't really feel like thoroughly going through his filter to restate what has already been said.
I'll just say that my current read on him is probably tied for scummy with Teemursu atm, with Nydus first.
Hobbit - Dunno. Kinda town. + Show Spoiler +I put Hobbit in a similar area of townieness to GlowBear. He lists his reads, like GlowBear did too. On June 23 2014 03:57 Hobbitus wrote:
Might as well do this systematically:
1. Lord Tolkien-On the fence
I like that he's consistent on voting for people that are not the best contributors. How much I agree with this logic is less cut and dry. For D1, I think it's acceptable, I think there will be a lot more to go on after someone flips. He's not saying too much else though.
2. Jabberwockzerg-Leaning scum
Not really contributing much, giving alignment reads but no real arguments of substance to go with them. Pushing Tolkien for I have no idea what reason. Also talking up cats, who has been meh this whole game for me.
3. HaruRH-On the fence
I think his read on Tolkien was too aggressive, but he later retracts this. I don't like his read on meatpudding either, but consistently disagreeing with someone doesn't mean their alignment isn't the same as yours.
4. Thekingofthecats-On the fence
I just haven't been blown away by his contribution, especially when prefaced by his post about how he likes to help town by contributing. He did try to warn us though. Also I find his timing to enter the game suspicious, as it was right after Teemu said he wasn't contributing and while scott/Templar were discussing the scumminess of lurkers.
5. NydusHerMain-Leaning town
Makes good points, I like that he was willing to challenge Teemu.
6. Solar424 (crickets chirp)
7. GlowingBear (crickets chirp)
8. Meatpudding-leaning town
I agree with most of his reads. The only thing I dislike is how quick he is to see himself as the victim when Teemu is involved.
9. Hobbitus-town obviously
10. Teemursu-leaning scum
I was getting scum vibes a lot in the first few posts, but less so now. My first instinct makes me suspicious, but what he said about scott being able to replace rather than waste a lynch has been partial redemption. Also he is contributing a lot, which makes me agree with everyone else about him being a bad D1 lynch.
11. Epishade-leaning town
Like the logic, want more posts.
12. Scott31337-on the fence
Fighting to figure out if he's making mistakes from inexperience or scumminess. I really dislike his dialogue with Templar about total lurkers getting modkilled.
13. The_Templar-town
A really strong town vibe, every post. Still going to keep my eye out, but my most certain read rn.
14: MysteryMeat1-on the fence
His post just seems careless. Need more info.
15: BlondeMocha (crickets chirp) A lot of what he says is also things that I can see the logic in and agree with. At this point in the game, Haruhi had just voted for Token, which I thought was questionable but gave me a townread on her. Hobbit reads Haruhi as a little scummy for it, which I can also see the reasoning for. He's also suspicious of Teemursu, as am I. Here, too, he reinforces my townie read on him. On June 23 2014 09:53 Hobbitus wrote:But I'm still stuck in the same position then: is he scum or bad town? Tolkien, you'll vote him either way, why should I? I'd imagine a scum would likely just not even bother asking something like this, and instead just figure out their own reasoning to vote for MysteryMeat. No reason to ask this if you're scum. Teemursu - Slight scum lean + Show Spoiler +My opinion on Teemursu is less scummy than before, but still a little bit. So I'll post the reasoning that I used before in thinking him as scum. On June 22 2014 14:42 Epishade wrote:As for Teemursu, he's got a few posts that make me a little suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 22:51 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 22:47 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:On June 21 2014 22:46 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 21:56 meatpudding wrote:
Yeah I don't post that much. I lurk more than I post. Maybe I should be called The_Lurker. I don't like this. What don't you like about it? The joke felt forced. Admitting to lurking and not at least saying you'll have more reads later on in the day rings scummy to me. Anyway, I just wanted to ping someone out. Do you have any early reads? Someone making a joke that Teemursu thought felt forced sounded scummy to him doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I realize that generally, people like others to post more than lurk, but pudding admitting that he probably won't post that much doesn't sound all that scummy to me. He's never played before on TL (afaik), so we have no way of knowing his true posting style. He could just be upfront about the way he thinks he's going to post, but that doesn't ring scummy to me. Doesn't read town for me either, he just wants people to know his posting style so we don't lynch him for lurking, instead of actual content he produces. Show nested quote +On June 21 2014 23:58 Teemursu wrote:On June 21 2014 23:54 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 21 2014 22:48 Solar424 wrote:
Hello. I am new to TL, and this is the first time playing Mafia online, bu I know the rules. Feeling a bit rushed, spelling error, no details, I think you are scum Hi, Nydus. It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you. I expect a lot from your haiku mastery. May they be plentiful and insightful. 8O) Does anybody else think that this doesn't sound like something that a townie might say? "It's going to be an interesting challenge to try to read you." Maybe I'm being pedantic here, but that sounds like something a mafia would say in an attempt to sound like town. I couldn't see a town saying that, but maybe I'm overthinking it, idk. However, On June 23 2014 20:33 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 12:57 Lord Tolkien wrote:
But no seriously you're fine, just...you need to work on making sense. If you are town, such a glaring discrepancy in analysis like what you did will get you punished unless it was deliberate (and you'll get punished for that too, like I learned my last newbie mafia gaem <_< ). And you really need to work on making sense. Because I still can't follow your line of thinking in your defense afterwards.
If you're scum, die. I want you to stop flip-flopping on MeatPudding. This isn't updating your own reads, as Nydus said. It sounds more like being unsettled to call your scum partner one way or the other. You say he's fine, and you coach him on how to play better as town. But just in case he's scum, you tell him to die.I'm saying you're not fine, and that you need to dig yourself out from the hole you've jumped in to by making this case on MM1 on weak basis. By making the case based on him having discrepancy in analysis and not making much sense, while these are the exact same things MeatPudding should be accused of, and you still think he is "fine". You most certainly are scum, and you need to die. This is another thing I don't see a scum saying to Token. Though I disagree with how nitpicky he is being to Token here, I think the content of what he posts here leans town a bit. He's being fairly accusatory to Token, almost as if he expected Token to be a primary lynch candidate Day 2. But since Token died in the night, Teemursu wouldn't have had to worry about doing this. If Teemursu were mafia, there's no reason he'd have to put pressure on Token right now when MysteryMeat had turned up town, since he shot him later that night. It doesn't really seem like a mafia thing to do, to me. So...a little conflicted about Teemursu now. I still think he might be mafia, just not as much as before. Templar - Town + Show Spoiler +
He got jailed. He's been posting a ton. He's been pretty logical in all of his posts. He tried to help Meat out when he was being pressured. And he likes my blogs. All townie behavior if you ask me.
Honestly, unless a vigi claims and says that he didn't shoot Token, I think you're town.
I know I have some people listed as scum, that, if they happened to be scum, would eliminate some of my others as scum. The 2 people I want to pay most attention to right now are Nydus and Teemursu actually, maybe meatpudding too. These two conflict with each other though, and both conflict with meatpudding, but I think one of the two is scum. Goddamn, that took way too long to write. "Scum lean" "Town lean" sounds so passive. If someone wants some homework go look at this guys previous newbie game he was town in. I feel like if you're going to call someone mafia you should say scum. The whole "lean" thing sounds like you don't want to make enemies or leaving your options open. (Just to clarify I didn't read your spoilers yet as I'm not caught up so the content might change how I feel but first impression gets a big scummy MEH)
This is one of the reasons why I have been reading him as "trying hard to sound towny".
IMHO, He's continued the same kind of way of talking by switching on the MM1 bandwagon by calling MeatPudding a misguided townie, while MeatPudding has in my opinion had even more bad & inconsistent logic.
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On June 25 2014 07:26 Solar424 wrote:
Hey. Sorry for being so inactive. I'll try to be more active from here on out.
How much of the thread have you read?
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On June 25 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote:NydusHerMain
I haven't finished reading but I looked through the filters and your filter is barely 2 pages and I already have that much content and you had a day start. You should be way more active than this. Step up today.
What did you think of Jabber's read on Scott and Nydus supporting it?
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On June 25 2014 07:32 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:31 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:29 Tehpoofter wrote:
##Vote:NydusHerMain
I haven't finished reading but I looked through the filters and your filter is barely 2 pages and I already have that much content and you had a day start. You should be way more active than this. Step up today.
What did you think of Jabber's read on Scott and Nydus supporting it? Can you quote it I'm not there yet still in the mid 20s page wise I think. Had to do some work.
I'll find it. I thought you already went past it.
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Here's the post.
The read wasn't necessarily his original, but it was a small thing I read Nydus as town for.
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On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle Show nested quote + I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum.
With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions.
Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet?
His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now.
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Time for some video mafia. Please post questions to me. I like discussing.
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On June 25 2014 07:42 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:38 Teemursu wrote:Here's the post. The read wasn't necessarily his original, but it was a small thing I read Nydus as town for. Why is that townie? Did he case King of Cats before the vote? bleh... I feel so out of the loop cause it might be explained later. I just hate that nydus is a good player I know and he has 2 pages of filter thats what my scum games on forums look like because you're always so worried and careful to post as scum.
I generally read him as town for his logic and reasons for his town reads. He backed the read up a little bit and explained it a little further, which I liked.
I had a case on Cats before that. He might've liked it. I'll find it for you.
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On June 25 2014 07:46 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:43 Teemursu wrote:
Time for some video mafia. Please post questions to me. I like discussing. You playing with Ryu?
Nah, some random DM game.
I'm too shy to ask people if I can join Ryu's game, LOL.
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On June 25 2014 08:15 Epishade wrote:@Teemursu You ask me about your reads on Cats. Ummm...where did you make your read about Cats? Can you link me to a post? And also, what did you mean by this: Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:26 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 06:25 NydusHerMain wrote:
It's just as hard to read Tehpoofter in forum mafia as it is to read him in video mafia it appears -_- .... I'll have a large writeup in about 2 hours. I want to just make one big post with what I think about everyone in general Great. More posts that I don't want to read.
I'll link some to you after this video mafia game.
I explained myself after that post (about walls of posts, etc). What do you need to know?
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At least Nydus's post wasn't a literal wall of text. I don't agree with some of the stuff he said.
I don't particularly care about his flip-flopping on Templar. If you argue that he never particularly believed in the world where both Templar and I are scum, why is he giving so much work and thought into it?
I've pointed out multiple times where his logic is inconsistent and it has had nothing to do with the light town read I had on Templar in the beginning
Show nested quote +Anyway I can't follow MM's process at all. I'm not sure, but I hope you guys know what you're doing.
##Vote: MysteryMeat1 Maybe I'm going crazy but holy crap that sounded towny.
Nope, nope, nope.
People who are defending MeatPudding and would like to see, for example, me vote on another wagon, are going to have to refer to my accusations towards MeatPudding to convince me. I throughout this game have -not- seen a reason to back off my strongest scum read.
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Nydus, you rescinded your town read on me. What made you put me back as green?
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I can at least agree with you on KotC.
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Also, why is Epishade bolded town for you? I CTRL+F'd your filter and I didn't see you type his name before a single time.
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I like calling him Cats.
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Banks, oh please.
I can feel the warm pockets calling for me.
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On June 25 2014 10:10 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 10:09 Teemursu wrote:
Banks, oh please.
I can feel the warm pockets calling for me. No need to be in the pockets hop on my back I'll carry you to victory bbygirl. We might have to kill Nydus though
No, I agree. I think pressuring him right now is a great idea.
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Nydus hard defending someone is nothing new to me, but the fact that I expected to have him post a long wall of post that I am probably not going to have energy to put effort into, afterall, was a post about hard defending an obvious scum.
His defense mostly addressed a day 1 interaction and how MeatPudding "evolved" his reads once he got corrected after he gave false information.
I need him to give us content about others as well, like Epishade.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons.
These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night.
I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment.
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On June 25 2014 10:21 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry that I haven't been actively updating my reads >.<. A lot of my reads are kind of new from today since I read a lot of the things that I missed out on.
Teemu I thought at first that you were coming to really quick conclusions and I always figured that you were a player that waited a tad bit longer. I town read you for your forum activity, similar to how I used to read you in video, but realized that in a forum setting, you could probably change your playstyle so I threw you into null. I liked a lot of the logic that you threw out, I can give you examples if you want so I thought you were town again.
Epishade feels towny as fuck when I read through his filter. He's not instantly hopping on any "OMG I AGREE WITH YOU HE IS SCUMMY/TOWNY" bandwagons. He's trying to be objective and giving what I think are to be very strong reasons for his scum/town reads. For example, he also mentions how easily people townread me and Teemu, etc. and how he thinks that those people are scummy. For actual detailed reads that he gave, you can refer to his filter but if you disagree with me, I'll personally give specific examples.
Jabberwockzerg my read hasn't changed much on her.
Templar I thought you pushes were a little weird. I keep getting a towny vibe from you but your interaction with MP I didn't like at all.
Yeah, I'd actually like you to give examples and give your reason as to why you read both Epishade and myself town for those specific examples.
It's how I read you, and I like the fact that you're now being way more active like this, instead of preparing a bigger post for an hour or so.
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Nydus, do you not read the same adorable town tone from GlowingBear as I am?
Okay, so, supposed meatpudding is Mafia. What is he looking for with that question? Well, in my point of view, he is trying to know who is getting votes so him and his partners can set up a strategy as Mafia.
His whole blue thing during the night was a little awkward, but no reason to really drop him from a list or anything (not really saying you don't have him there because of that).
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I'll just repeat what meatpudding himself said already. I like his read a lot.
On June 23 2014 12:16 meatpudding wrote:
Not the strongest case, all things considered.
If someone asks me to, I can refer to specific points, but what he has said so far is just a big pile of inconsistency.
Epishade, please accuse me instead of calling out my name every now and then.
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I'll make my case on meatpudding a bit later.
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I actually rescind about making a case on MeatPudding. I feel like I've gone against him the strongest, and I've had multiple posts where I've discussed with him/haven't voted on him.
If people aren't convinced by my push on him, then I'm going to divert my attention to someone else. We obviously haven't hit on mafia yet and there still are others alive who town would rather lynch.
I think Nydus actually might be mafia. His read on Epishade is very weak. I asked him to provide examples on Epishade and give reasoning on those examples (yes, in plural). So far the reason Nydus has called him top town is that he's been "objective" and that Epishade posts a wishy washy list of conditional scum/flip logic that doesn't really mean anything.
Only because people have pushed on someone, and that person flips as either alignment, doesn't clear or put people who actively pushed that person under suspicion. I just played a video mafia game where a VT pushed a ML on Day 1 and I caught two of the three mafia by looking at how they supported the person who was the most active pusher.
Nydus should be a way better player and recognise to that Epishade's contribution today does in fact NOT put him as "top town" for his "objectiveness".
This takes me to a second possible mafia, Epishade.
I don't know if I left out anybody in here, as Teemursu's filter is 9 pages...and there is a whole lot to read not just in his filter, but everywhere. Goddammit, this is a mini-mafia, why are there already 60+ pages by day 2?
I think I'm leaning more toward Teemursu or meatpudding right now, but idk exactly. meatpudding hasn't posted more than once after Token was shot, so I don't know what his current thoughts are right now. I'd rather make a vote when he posts I think.
Firstly, he wants to vote between two people who have gone the hardest against each other (ignoring MM1 vs. Tolkien and Cats).
He says he doesn't have a clear preference, then he says he wants to vote on me.
He seems to understand I post a lot, he doesn't refer to anything specific that I've posted about.
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So far I'm happy to keep my vote on the main wagon, but I will seriously consider voting on either Nydus or Epishade today as well.
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I'm being frustrated with my case on MeatPudding and I want to be more productive for town.
I don't care that you think I'm copying you, when I'm trying to play better.
How about you talk with me about my post on Epishade/Nydus instead of focusing on your suspicion of me trying to "pocket" you and ACTUALLY catch scum?
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Going through your filter quickly, I see that you have Epishade as towny.
Could you explain your read on him?
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On June 25 2014 19:57 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 19:21 Hobbitus wrote:
Actually, can anyone else who finds teemu suspicious make a case on him? I'll do it myself if I have time but I just don't know if I will today :/ I hope that anyone who find teemu suspicious would actually read teemu's n1 'spam'. I'm willing to bet that most of you did not read it yet, thus the suspicions. He replied to most suspicions about him and yet posted some crucial questions that I would like to see answered, such as questions for you, hobbitus, on the 4 options that MM was.
I read this like I see light at the end of the tunnel.
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I'm off for a few hours.
When I come back, I expect a real case on myself from Epishade and/or Hobbitus, so we can finally talk about the content and reads I've worked with.
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MeatPudding, you thinking that I have been pressuring you because you OMGUSed back at me just shows how much lack of attention you have.
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We haven't hit on mafia, as in, a mafia is not dead yet. I said I would be making a bigger case on MeatPudding, but I'm taking that back.
I am not listing MeatPudding as town..
I'm not rescinding my vote off from him. He's still "the main wagon" and I'm still happy to lynch him today.
Also see N1 interactions to find some really scummy logic he said. I'm not sure why you digged part of the stuff I've said, though (also, there is still more).
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On June 26 2014 01:02 TheKingOfTheCats wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 00:33 Teemursu wrote:
We haven't hit on mafia, as in, a mafia is not dead yet. I said I would be making a bigger case on MeatPudding, but I'm taking that back.
I am not listing MeatPudding as town..
I'm not rescinding my vote off from him. He's still "the main wagon" and I'm still happy to lynch him today.
Also see N1 interactions to find some really scummy logic he said. I'm not sure why you digged part of the stuff I've said, though (also, there is still more). So you're not going to make a bigger case on meatpudding because he's the main wagon and you feel like you don't have to put any more effort in to get him lynched? Would you provide this "bigger case" on meatpudding if it looked like he wasn't going to get lynched?
No, people aren't placing votes and some are town reading him for nothing while not referring to the accusations I've had on him. I'm not sure if the general town consensus even is to lynch him. I've given a lot of content on why I think MeatPudding is mafia and people are either not interested or ignoring them for a reason.
Also, I think you're doing a good job pressuring him (which is why I'm town reading you), so I think I can be a more valuable asset for town if I shift my focus on finding the other mafia.
I probably would put some more work into making a wall of post accusing MeatPudding if he wasn't going to get lynched and my other strong mafia reads aren't being strong wagons either.
This is a problem with me in video mafia too. I can't seem to convince people that certain people are indeed mafia.
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On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
I haven't been spamming. I've been posting reads, accusations, questions and defenses. It's not my problem that you're not putting enough effort to read me. Disregarding my content as mostly "spam" is scummy. It shows that you're not trying to figure out my alignment at all, and instead you're just throwing random scum at me with baseless accusations and WIFOMs.
have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now
It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team.
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners?
If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did
I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through.
All of this is irrelevant non-content WIFOM.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best.
I am not accusing both of you as mafia in association nor have my suspicions been conditional on either one of your alignments.
In my posts I've been pointing out how much fluff your post has contained and how Nydus reading you as top town for it is extremely awkward. Your reaction to me pinging out is very weak and is definitely making me lean scum on you.
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Epishade, entertain my world for a moment.
Since I know I am town, who are the scum pushing on MeatPudding?
Not everyone is "hating" on him, as some people have been defending him. Calling him town because of everyone pushing on him is incorrect.
Yesterday, EOD, myself, Haru, GlowingBear, MM1. - Haru and GlowingBear I am reading both as town. Strong town on Haru and leaning on Bear.
Before EOD, The_Templar, jabberwockzerg, and you visited that wagon until you switched to MM1.
Cats is pushing on MeatPudding right now with myself and Haru mostly.
To me it looks like three people have actively been pushing on MeatPudding, while six was the biggest amount of people voting on that wagon yesterday. Six.
How is that way too many people?
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I want to see more pressure on Nydus.
## Vote: NydusHerMain
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I'm off to bed now.
I'll see you right before EOD. I'll update my vote accordingly to how much Nydus will contribute today.
I would be happy to either see MeatPudding as the main wagon, and possibly Epishade as the secondary one.
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Fuck it, I'm voting for JabberZerg. I can't tell who to vote for anymore and she's been flying under the radar for too long now.
##Vote: JabberZerg
Buahahahahaha!!!! sdea fgsdafn jd
I suppose you have a point.
##Unvote
##Vote: Teemursu
## Vote: Epishade
10 pages in 10 minutes... Let's do this.
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On June 26 2014 10:12 mtamburini wrote:
Hi I'm checking in. Haven't read anything. Looking at the player list teemu should be lynched or if there is a vigi they should shoot him. I will filter dive the person I replaced when I get home I'm on the bus coming home from school internet isn't very good.
Lynch teemu though seriously it's always pro town.
How does it make you feel teemu that I haven't read anything and I already know your scum?
Makes me go extremely overdefensive and OMGUS you.
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Ok, I've caught up.
Apparently I didn't miss like literal 10 pages of content while I slept.
That's way too bad. Epishade's voting is super scummy and Nydus is doing nothing to redeem himself. Votes are so spread out and we don't have any clear wagons.
I need to leave to work soon, so if anyone has any questions while I take a shower etc, please go ahead.
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I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk.
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On June 26 2014 12:29 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 2 meatpudding (1): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (1): HaruRH, Teemursu HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
Currently, NydusHerMain is set to be lynched with 3 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else. (The first player to get the majority will become the new vote target)
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
Day 2 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
When did MeatPudding change his vote from Epishade to me?
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On June 26 2014 12:47 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. I don't know who else I'd vote for, I haven't kept up very well and I'm off in 13ish minutes. I'm only sticking around just in case something spectacular happens, like mtam posts more dancing ladies
I think Epishade, Nydus or MeatPudding are great votes.
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On June 26 2014 12:49 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 12:45 Teemursu wrote:
I have a feeling that jabber might get modkilled. Templar and Bear maybe put your votes somewhere else? Idk. Teemu, I would, but Nydus was going to be my second target, so I rather stick to jabb in case he appears.
If he doesn't?
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So once the mod clears the mistake, Nydus and Epishade will be the main wagons with 3 votes.
I would right now rather lynch Epi over Nydus.
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On June 26 2014 07:37 NydusHerMain wrote:
God... I'm starting to feel like I'm in a world where I'm defending two scum partners of epishade and meatpudding... I don't think the scumreads on Teemu are warranted... eagerness to kill someone isn't indicative of scum, it's him being "oh my god we can finally kill obvious mafia!" I feel like you guys don't really have much of a case on him.
On a flip note, this is a selfish read but I know that I'm now, and I'm quite certain that MP and Teemu are not scum partners. Why would Teemu flip his vote from MP to me when MP has the bandwagon? Seems more indicative of town to me.
A little bit because of this post.
Epi's voting has also been terrible, but maybe that's just nitpicking.
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On June 26 2014 10:52 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 26 2014 04:55 HaruRH wrote:Now Epishade, I completely refuse to think this is a read from you. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
Honestly, you've got 10 pages of filter now because you've been spamming the entire thread, and it's only Day 2. Seriously? You're the worst person I hate filter diving through because there's so much to sift through. I wish you'd consolidate your posts more.
My main suspicion is you for mafia. I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. Cats did earlier iirc just a little bit by saying that he thought meatpudding sounded more like bad townie than mafia. And Nydus just recently defended him. I have a hard time thinking though that if meatpudding were actual scum with Nydus, that Nydus would be defending him right now, as meatpudding was going to be a pretty good lynch today anyways. It wouldn't make any sense for Nydus to defend meatpudding right now if they were both a scum team. (Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure Nydus defended him, but I'm going off of memory right now)
I posted a case on you in my 'reads on everybody' post already. I said there were some redeeming qualities about you that made me reconsider, but out of between you and meatpudding, I'm gonna have to choose you.
I hope this is just an opening because it have zero information except for the ' I think way too many people are hating on meatpudding with virtually nobody defending him. ' bit, which doesn't sound like a read to me. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:
You think Nydus, someone under suspicion right now would point me, someone also fairly suspicious right now, as town if we were mafia partners? What kind of move would that be? If he got lynched and we were mafia partners, then he could assume that I might get lynched next, since he strong town read me when nobody else did. The other scenario is that he's mafia right now and he knows that by pointing someone as town, he might give me a higher chance of me being mislynched the next day.
Your scum read on us as partners is faulty at best. If we were partners, I'd have no reason to change my slight townread on him at the start of the game to a scumread midway through. I'd have just found some other crap in his filter that I could say sounded townie to me and kept him with a townread.
I believe you asked me to review your case on Cats.
This argument is also faulty from you. You mean there is no reason to scumread your own scum partner? What kind of logic is that? Also, unlike what you're saying, a townread on you now is actually helping him if both of you are scum. Since everyone acknowledges that nydus is the only one to townread you, it is so newbie to think that he is scum too. No scum would townread the scum who is scumread by everyone. On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 25 2014 10:27 Teemursu wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. On June 23 2014 19:22 Teemursu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 19:18 Teemursu wrote:This post is ringing scum to me. My overall read is that he it's scummy to accuse/vote him while everyone else is on the fence with him or leaning scum. The way and the amount of "WHY ME?! AND NOT TOLKIEN" I read from this makes me lean way scummier on him. It understand KotC and both Tolkien had this as one of their reasons to literally bury MM1. At this point I didn't really see as to why it would be so weird to push on KotC instead of Tolkien from MM1's perspective, since both are basically as valid for pushing to either get reads or try to lynch scum. If anyone can help me correct myself with a potential misread, please do! I think in this post he comes off as extremely defensive and even more so aware of what people think of him, which sounds like a very scummy mindset to me. Sorry, I meant this post. The post in what I addressed above also comes off as scummy to me mostly for the same reasons. These two posts were the main accusations I had towards Cats during the night. I think the biggest reason I thought he was scum was his association and similar play style to Tolkien's, who was my top scum at that moment. These cases against Cats really don't sound scummy at all to me. Not townie either, but not scummy, which you say it seems to. The first post he asks people why they find him scummy. You think it's scummy for someone to ask why they're being scumread? I asked the same thing when Nydus and Meat voted for him. So you mean a whole bunch of defensive posting coupled with some responsibility dodging is not scummy at all to you? On June 26 2014 04:23 Epishade wrote:On June 23 2014 09:31 Epishade wrote:
Ok, so, can someone explain why Nydus and MightyMeat are voting on Cats again? I had a slight feeling on Meat being townie for me, but I read through Cats' filter and didn't see anything that really looked scummy to me, so I find it hard to justify a Cats vote unless I missed something.
Would like an explanation from those 2 again why they voted on Cats. It's like when Poof said that a scum is more likely to care about what alignment someone looks like in their posts. I disagree, as that's something I care about no matter what alignment I am. I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie. Cat's asking why people are scumreading him here is not alignment indicative imo. The second post of Cats that you're referring to doesn't sound scummy to me either. He votes for Meat because Meat claims that something that isn't alignment indicative being viewed scummy looks scummy to him. I'd happen to agree with that, and that weighed my vote against Meat at the time, too. Your cases against Cats seem to rely on, "he sounds very defensive and aware of how people view him, which is a scummy mindset." Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that.I happen to think too many people hate meatpudding right now for him to be scum. You're getting my vote Teemursu.
##Vote: Teemursu I like your contradictions. you mentioned it wasn;t scummy for Kotc to dodge responsibility which already looks suspicious (If you're a townie, why would you need to repeatedly remind everyone that you're not with the guy who pushed with you, and even scumread him at n1?), then you mentioned 'I don't want to post something that would generally make me look suspicious without good reason to do so if I'm townie.'. so are you able to explain the 'good reason' kotc have for doing that? 'Like I said to Poof, that's not a scummy thing to do, though Poof seems to think it is, or is at least more likely for a scum to do that,' This is your own opinion. Nobody have to follow your thoughts nor understand it completely. If you're voting based on opinions and personal feelings, I don't see why I can't do the same. ##Vote: Epishade
Haru, is there anything behind you vote on Epi other than this one post, and when he switched votes to MM1?[/QUOTE]
After this post I haven't seen you vote on me. Never voted on Epishade, eh?
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It now frustrates me again that we can't vote MeatPudding, he doesn't even know who he is voting for.
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I wish Epishade got lynched today.
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wat
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Yeah, way different.
N1 I posted most of the content I had about D1 analysis. Everyone suddenly posted like half of day 1's content in the last 7 hours I slept. Too bad it didn't really happen this time.
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On June 26 2014 13:10 mtamburini wrote:
Errr Teemu is probably town , he pulled off Nydus at the end of day to go on someone else.
What are your reads on MeatPudding and Epishade?
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Off to work. I'll be back ITT in about 2-3 hours earliest.
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I can read Nydus really well and I was pretty sure he just made up his town read on Epishade (regardless of alignment). That's why I was reading him scummy. I just wasn't sure if he made that because he didn't have the energy/time to put into the game or if that was because he was mafia. That's why I wanted to rather vote on Epishade.
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On June 27 2014 03:09 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:03 Teemursu wrote:
I can read Nydus really well and I was pretty sure he just made up his town read on Epishade (regardless of alignment). That's why I was reading him scummy. I just wasn't sure if he made that because he didn't have the energy/time to put into the game or if that was because he was mafia. That's why I wanted to rather vote on Epishade. Just coming home from work teemu? Have you read the conversation of the night phase?
I've been just sitting in a hangout zoom the whole day. I've been kinda tired the whole day so I haven't had the energy to read filters or anything. I skimmed through the night phase but nothing much seems to have happened. I can't really read into the fight that you two are having.
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On June 27 2014 03:19 GlowingBear wrote:
Teemu, now that Nydus has flipped green, how do you read Epishade?
Actually, what's your read on tambourine and tehpoofter?
I still think Epishade is scum. I think Nydus really just came up with some read to appear more towny, since he didn't really have the attention spam for the game, as he said himself.
I can never read Tambo, but what he's doing right now is his own way of pressuring people, I think. Haru's been one of my stronger town reads and he's reacting kind of poorly to the pressure, but it really could be the other way around as well.
Banks (tehpoofter) I have as null. He hasn't really posted as much analysis/reads yet (he's a very good player), but I -really- appreciate that he's trying to get people voting and posting lists.
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What do you think that means for their alignments, then?
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On June 27 2014 03:38 Teemursu wrote:
What do you think that means for their alignments, then?
In terms of their*
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On June 27 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 03:38 Teemursu wrote:
What do you think that means for their alignments, then? Nothing much. I actually like the fact that tambourine came with an aggressive tone, although he focused it in a wrong way. Some of his posts are dumb and I get what Haru is doing. But I think he is overreacting. This makes me put both on the fence. Tambourine because I don't have enough posts to analyse him completely but I don't think mafia would react to Nydus editing the way he reacted. Haru, on the other way, was looking towny but now I'm putting him on the fence because he is kind of strangely overreacting...
Idk, I think him overreacting is a little towny if anything, rather than scummy. I'm imagining scum Haru being way more restrictive about the emotion he lets out. Feels kinda TvT, imo.
Anyways, going to take a nap for about an hour before some video mafia starts. I'll be keeping an eye on the thread, but not very actively.
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I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis.
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MeatPudding: I'm still reading KotC as town. Just because he voted on Nydus doesn't make him scum. Nydus was still a decent vote and I've expressed my opinion about that.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes.
Since the votes were so spread out, I really can't speculate where the mafia voted. I'm going off on my reads so I'm pressuring MeatPudding and Epishade tomorrow.
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On June 27 2014 11:41 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:13 Teemursu wrote:
I'm awake. Ask questions etc.
Also, Hobbitus, I gave my quick reads on Templar's vote switching, could you give your opinion on them?. They're somewhere in n1 where I made the big amount of posts about day d1 analysis. Can you find it for me? I'm still reading in the mid sixties, which I missed completely.
I'll find it a bit later, starting video mafia currently.
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I'm here only to place my vote for now. I'll be rereading once I wake up tomorrow. I have -zero- energy for that now.
## Vote: MeatPudding
Can we just finally lynch you, please?
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On June 27 2014 11:44 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2014 20:57 Teemursu wrote:
TOWN:
HaruRH
NydusHerMain
LEANING TOWN:
Jabber
Templar
Hobbitus
GlowingBear
NULL:
Solar424
BlondeMocha
Scott31337
FENCE:
Epishade
LEANING SCUM / SCUM:
Tolkien
Cats
MeatPudding Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 06:15 Teemursu wrote:
HaruRH
Templar,
KotC
NydusHerMain
MeatPudding
GlowingBear
fuck your formatting Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 05:23 Teemursu wrote:
Anyways, welcome to the game Tehpoofter & Mtamburini.
How are you guys reading MeatPudding, KotC and myself?
I'm starting to be willing to ignore whatever MP posts from now on, since his logic is starting to make less and less sense.
KotC is actually starting to sound reasonable, I'm starting to consider even putting him off from my vote list. I like his pressure on MeatPudding. Show nested quote +On June 25 2014 07:42 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:39 Hobbitus wrote:On June 25 2014 07:04 Teemursu wrote:On June 25 2014 07:01 Hobbitus wrote:Around for a little while. Just so you know, I don't have a day off from work/social obligations from now until the end of this game, probably I'll post as much as I can, but there will be long stretches where I can't. To be honest, I'm feeling kind of discouraged after last night; I put a lot of time into my earlier reads and I feel like it's getting me nowhere :\ If anyone has specific questions for me about D2, that would help. In the mean time I'm going to reread N1 events and post my thoughts. Hey, I kind of feel the same. Anything specific you want to talk about? Let's start somewhere if you don't have anything. What do you think of KotC after the flips? I am on the fence after the flips. Now that I know Tolkien was town, I can understand his arguments better. However the fact that I couldn't understand his argument until Tolkien flipped is something I'm keeping note of. To me that suggests that Tolkien's alignment generated the case, rather than making a case to figure out Tolkien's alignment. But that's very subjective. This is how kotc describes his playstyle I don't make long posts where i list everyone that's playing and say if i think they're slightly X or slightly Y because of Z. It's just not the way i play. I pick out things that i think need addressing and run with them. I push my strongest scumreads and only point out why i think people are town if they're looking like they might get lynched. Doing anything else seems like a waste of time to me. and he's definitely sticking to it. However, it is a less traditional way to play town, so I'm not sure how to feel about it. His style would be easier to hide scum in, whether or not he is scum. With his playstyle, it's fine to ask questions. I just need to see him provide the information he gets from the questions. Regarding that, has there been anything his content has stuck out to you specifically yet? His push on MeatPudding has been pleasing me so far, so I'm actually okay with him now. Show nested quote +On June 27 2014 11:19 Teemursu wrote:MeatPudding: I'm still reading KotC as town. Just because he voted on Nydus doesn't make him scum. Nydus was still a decent vote and I've expressed my opinion about that. + Show Spoiler +On June 26 2014 13:01 Amiko wrote:Day 2 - Final Vote Count meatpudding (0): Teemursu, Hobbitus, The_Templar, GlowingBearNydusHerMain (3): Tehpoofter, Teemursu, TheKingOfTheCats, TheKingOfTheCats, mtamburini GlowingBear (0): NydusHerMainTeemursu (2): Meatpudding, Epishade, Epishade Epishade (2): HaruRH, Teemursu, Hobbitus HaruRH (0): GlowingBearJabberwockzerg (2): Epishade, The_Templar, TheKingOfTheCats, GlowingBear mtamburini (2): HaruRH, NydusHerMain Not voting (1): Jabberwockzerg
NydusHerMain was lynched with 3 votes. Since the votes were so spread out, I really can't speculate where the mafia voted. I'm going off on my reads so I'm pressuring MeatPudding and Epishade tomorrow. So, just to be clear, you switched your read on Cats from scum to town because he was asking me questions? Do you have an updated read on Haruhi? Since the votes were spread out, do you think there is a good chance mafia had one vote on Epishade?
Not only asking questions but also pressuring and providing information based on those questions.
As I said previously, Haruhi is still strong town, but his response to tambo's pressure was kind of awkward.
If people really want me to explain my town read on Haruhi, I will, but I'd rather focus on scum hunting, since that's where I'm strongest at with this game. I already am kind of exhausted with the game (I can see where Nydus is coming from).
I don't know what would point to at least one mafia voting on Epishade? Nothing points to or away from it. The votes were so spread out and we didn't have a clear candidate for a main wagon.
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On June 28 2014 10:10 meatpudding wrote:
Teemu
Has been very unproductive in D2. He seems willing to give easy town reads, while hesitant to call out any scum. I think he is only calling out town as scum, and if he did that too often a wagon would pile onto him. His scum reads aren't given with clear information. He is careful to be completely consistent. He attacks the credibility of anyone who argues against him instead of trying to prove he is town. I believe Tolkien died because he was on Teemu's scum list and he didn't want to be seen to be inconsistent when he voted for me or Epi.
Everything you say is logically inconsistent and simply bad. I'm too tired of debunking everything you say since it's so goddamn stupid.
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MeatPudding, I'm pretty sure I've been wrong only on one player in this game, Tolkien.
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On June 29 2014 13:02 mtamburini wrote:Yeah that worries me abit too
what's the check
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On June 29 2014 03:21 HaruRH wrote:Teemu, I want your comment on my giant wall of text. I am so rxhausted right now
IreallyreallylikeyourcasebutWHEREISYOURCLAIM
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On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf
he's playing so fucking bad. I had no idea lol
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haru got lynched regardless???
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On June 29 2014 13:10 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf My eod was so ducking town. I shook things up either way this analysis might win us the game cause mafia doesn't know what to do Also on mobile and drinking Teemu did we lose?
Apparently if we just lynched our cop, lol
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On June 29 2014 12:26 Amiko wrote:Vote Count – Day 3 The_Templar (0)GlowingBear, Hobbitus, mtamburini, TehpoofterEpishade (2): HaruRH, GlowingBear, HaruRH, The_Templar Meatpudding (1): Epishade, Teemursu, mtamburiniTeemursu (1): Meatpudding, EpishadeHobbitus (0): HaruRHHaruRH (4): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBear Not Voting (1):mtamburini
Currently, HaruHR is set to be lynched with 4 votes.
As a reminder for resolving ties - a player becomes the new lynch target when that player has more votes than anyone else.
Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you!
This is really hard to update - doing by phone. If any info is incorrect please ensure you PM my mistakes to Alakaslam
Day 3 will end in (04:00 GMT (+00:00)).
GlowingBear, uh?
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On June 29 2014 13:13 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:11 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:10 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf My eod was so ducking town. I shook things up either way this analysis might win us the game cause mafia doesn't know what to do Also on mobile and drinking Teemu did we lose? Apparently if we just lynched our cop, lol Who didn't move off him?
HaruRH (4): Hobbitus, Epishade, TehPoofter, TehPoofter, GlowingBear
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On June 29 2014 13:14 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:12 Tehpoofter wrote:On June 29 2014 13:10 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf he's playing so fucking bad. I had no idea lol How was that bad???? I understand now what you did but you confused town here. Then I went to simple logic as "o wait, if mp is town, Teemu can't be" which is stupid...
Wp. :/
/logic
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Well, now that I'm probably getting lynched, all I can say is that my reads are apparently pretty spot on. I guess I was just outplayed by a superior scum player (MP).
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On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote:
Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol
gl
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On June 29 2014 13:24 meatpudding wrote:
Rule 6 tho
You don't know the rules, and neither do I!
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On June 29 2014 13:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Probably Teemu. He was my last vote...
I... just wanna tell you how I'm feeling.
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On June 29 2014 13:43 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I think mafia would just out if we lost IMO were still in it
Gotta make you, understand!
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On June 29 2014 13:44 Hobbitus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:41 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:39 Hobbitus wrote:
Hate to spoil it for you epi but I'm VT lol gl ;-; I don't even want to play anymore, this is awful.
Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down
I'm just gonna ride or die, with you.
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On June 29 2014 13:46 meatpudding wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:44 mtamburini wrote:On June 29 2014 13:43 meatpudding wrote:
Banks and mtam were acting really scummy, but why push on Templar? Are you living the world where all town lynched MM1 day 1? Im not. Actually, yeah I could believe it. Mafia played hands off because either way they lynch one of us.
Your heart's been aching, but you're too shy to say it!
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On June 26 2014 18:02 NydusHerMain wrote:
Thanks for letting me play my first forum game ^^. I clearly have a lot of things to work on (like an attention span longer than 30 minutes). Good luck town and mafia both!
We've known each other for so long.
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On June 29 2014 13:06 Epishade wrote:
You just missed it Teemursu.
Inside, we both know what's been going on
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On June 29 2014 13:03 mtamburini wrote:
Did we get an extension? or does this end now?
We know the game and we're gonna play it
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On June 29 2014 13:50 meatpudding wrote:
Never gonna live
Never gonna live
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On June 29 2014 13:12 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 29 2014 13:10 Teemursu wrote:On June 29 2014 13:09 GlowingBear wrote:
MP is green and I voted you because of that.
Poof, wtf, I had you as town and you just... God wtf he's playing so fucking bad. I had no idea lol How was that bad????
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
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On June 29 2014 12:55 HaruRH wrote:
??? EPI WHY ARE YOU THIKINH
Never gonna say goodbye
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On June 29 2014 14:38 GlowingBear wrote:
I like how tambourine says Templar is scum for no particular reason
Never gonna run around and desert you
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On June 29 2014 14:47 Hobbitus wrote:Mod gods, we have disappointed you
(Ooh, give you up)
(Ooh, give you up)
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On June 29 2014 14:47 Teemursu wrote:(Ooh, give you up) (Ooh, give you up)
Thanks for the town read Banks and Tambo
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Inside, we both know what's been going on
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On June 29 2014 14:50 HaruRH wrote:
Teemu can you flip yourself
Im breeming with anxiety
I just wanna tell you how I'm feeling
Gotta make you understand
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On July 05 2014 13:18 HaruRH wrote:
Was fun guys. Just a few large hiccups along the way, or else we would have won T.T
teeeeeeeemmmmmuuuuuu why no vote epishade nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
If he voted epishade -> lylo templar claim jailer and say he jailed hobbit d3 (so hobbit didnt say cos he roleblocker)
I was asleep, unfortuantely. :/
But yeah, gg's and sorry for getting so exhausted with the game. I'll try my best next game (still not going to give up).
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