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Holyflare
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 02 2014 19:33 GMT
#5
/in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 03 2014 18:08 GMT
#23
I just wanna play mafia man hurry up and /in
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 01:32 GMT
#27
gogogogo?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 20:52 GMT
#32
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:26 GMT
#41
Swwweeeeeet naivety!

does this setup follow your other ones whereby if there's an x role it's setup a or b etc? Or is it just any number of anything?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#46
On May 05 2014 06:41 Cavalinho wrote:
Probably being mafia and lurking.

I bet we should vote him and not me.

aren't you always "mafia"? :p
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:48 GMT
#47
super scum read on cava right now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:50 GMT
#50
On May 05 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 06:41 Cavalinho wrote:
Probably being mafia and lurking.

I bet we should vote him and not me.

aren't you always "mafia"? :p

No I think that is you.
Are you going to play your towniest this game?


neverrrrrrrrr!

lets lynch cava
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:57 GMT
#54
On May 05 2014 06:53 Cavalinho wrote:
Hey, how about we sit down and all talk about our feelings.

I'm feeling pretty damn horny today, what about you?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 21:59 GMT
#55
dafuk koshi y so srs?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:21 GMT
#57
On May 05 2014 07:13 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 06:53 Cavalinho wrote:
Hey, how about we sit down and all talk about our feelings.

I'm feeling pretty damn horny today, what about you?


Asl.


18/f/cali

u?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:30 GMT
#64
On May 05 2014 07:24 Cavalinho wrote:
40/m/nd

Let's cyber.


i'm wearing some nice black lace lingerie:

http://www.annsummers.com/p/rhea-black-babydoll/01stblas1041006

kinda like this


wht u wearin bby?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:35 GMT
#67
On May 05 2014 07:34 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 07:30 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 07:24 Cavalinho wrote:
40/m/nd

Let's cyber.


i'm wearing some nice black lace lingerie:

http://www.annsummers.com/p/rhea-black-babydoll/01stblas1041006

kinda like this


wht u wearin bby?


Cock ring and a smile.


HOTTTTTTTTTTTT

is it one of those vibrating ones
xxxx
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 22:56 GMT
#73
On May 05 2014 07:52 Vivax wrote:
Yea I'm going to bed.
Time to wait for Oats and the other two dudes to post.


GOOD TALK BRO
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 23:07 GMT
#75
my cyber partner completely ditched me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 04 2014 23:24 GMT
#76
what's going on? everyone afraid of the early game or what?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 00:07 GMT
#84
On May 05 2014 09:00 Steveling wrote:
Btw I read my pm title as Glory Hole(instead of role), I was like, wtf this mafia is gonna be kinky.


it's as kinky as you want it to be baby xxxxxxxx
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:05 GMT
#91
NO SPOILERS FU THRAWN
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:06 GMT
#92
I am most definitely Ned Stark though! Fighting for the good only to get beheaded by the evil NK scum!

Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:08 GMT
#95
On May 05 2014 10:07 Blazinghand wrote:
No ASOIAF post-book-3 spoilers plz


the dragons die
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:08 GMT
#97
On May 05 2014 10:08 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 10:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
poofter and steve, have either of you read books?

plz answer, this is a scumhunting question


I have read the books, I know everything.
Not scum though. xD

You are Varys btw thrawn.


sick burn thrawn, you gonna take that? he said you got no balls
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:12 GMT
#101
true that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:12 GMT
#102
so when do we actually start the game?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:13 GMT
#105
On May 05 2014 10:12 thrawn2112 wrote:
ok. steveling has read the books. so that makes his suggestion non alignment indicative


fuck you man this is definitely an oberyn spoiler
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:14 GMT
#107
On May 05 2014 10:13 thrawn2112 wrote:
hf game started a long time ago man. idk what you are reading


game (of thrones) bro not THE game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:15 GMT
#108
Can you post links in op to player filters, i'm super lazy
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:19 GMT
#109
1) thrawn2112
2) Holyflare
3) Cavalinho
4) mderg
5) Koshi
6) Tehpoofter
7) Oatsmaster
8) Steveling
9) Vivax


Did it for you <3
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:20 GMT
#110
putting in effort in order to be more lazy, it's a curse :/
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:22 GMT
#112
oh shit i think someone scum slipped!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:29 GMT
#120
9) Vivax

Take the name vivax. When you put each letter to it's corresponding number (A=1 etc) for Vivax's name you get 22922124.

When I put 22922124 into google, the first result I get is a Seat Heater Pad for GM (http://www.newgmparts.com/oe-gm/22922124). Who is GM on the site of mafia?

GMARSHAL!!!!!!! What does he take charge of? The banlist!

Who gets banned? Bad people.

In a game of mafia, who are the bad people? THE MAFIA.

Remember how this all links back to GMarshal? Some could even say he was "The Godfather" of the banlist. What does Vivax say in his first post?

On May 05 2014 07:24 Vivax wrote:
Are you the godfather Steve?


Vivax is mafia with Steve. His name is complete proof of it and he played the ballsy move of revealing his scum team for later plays.


##Vote Vivax
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:33 GMT
#123
On May 05 2014 10:33 Steveling wrote:
I'm playing pudge atm, anyone wanna join next?


LOOK AT THIS. He's already given up playing this game because he has been outed. Classic scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:36 GMT
#124
When you type the name Thrawn into the equation I (numbers in names do not count) I am taken to a link to The Cheetah Girls 3 made by Disney.

http://chomikuj.pl/katix5898/M*c5*82odzie*c5*bcowe/The.Cheetah.Girls.3.2008.DVDRip.XviD-VoMiT,2081812314.avi(video)

What do Disney make? Feel good family films. Who likes to make people feel good? Friendly people! Who are these friendly peoples? TOWN.

Thrawn is town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:40 GMT
#128
i actually think my mind has been fucking blown right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS INSANE MAFIA PLAY



Steveling - Steve for short = 19205225

FIRST FUCKING LINK IN GOOGLE?????? http://www.rockauto.com/dbphp/x,catalog,302,partnum,19205225,d,ACDELCO_19205225.html

What is this link to???

ACDELCO Part # 19205225 GM Original Equipment




/thread

GG
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:41 GMT
#129
this is too much of a coincedence not to be true
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:43 GMT
#130
On May 05 2014 10:38 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
9) Vivax

Take the name vivax. When you put each letter to it's corresponding number (A=1 etc) for Vivax's name you get 22922124.

When I put 22922124 into google, the first result I get is a Seat Heater Pad for GM (http://www.newgmparts.com/oe-gm/22922124). Who is GM on the site of mafia?

GMARSHAL!!!!!!! What does he take charge of? The banlist!

Who gets banned? Bad people.

In a game of mafia, who are the bad people? THE MAFIA.

Remember how this all links back to GMarshal? Some could even say he was "The Godfather" of the banlist. What does Vivax say in his first post?

On May 05 2014 07:24 Vivax wrote:
Are you the godfather Steve?


Vivax is mafia with Steve. His name is complete proof of it and he played the ballsy move of revealing his scum team for later plays.


##Vote Vivax



How long does it take mafia to write a concession speech? #wrekt


HF you get vivax I'll get Steve because the more ballsy mafia should live longer.

##vote:Steveling



you need to Bote: Vivax in the boting thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:43 GMT
#131
##bote must become a thing
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 01:47 GMT
#133
On May 05 2014 10:46 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 10:38 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 05 2014 10:29 Holyflare wrote:
9) Vivax

Take the name vivax. When you put each letter to it's corresponding number (A=1 etc) for Vivax's name you get 22922124.

When I put 22922124 into google, the first result I get is a Seat Heater Pad for GM (http://www.newgmparts.com/oe-gm/22922124). Who is GM on the site of mafia?

GMARSHAL!!!!!!! What does he take charge of? The banlist!

Who gets banned? Bad people.

In a game of mafia, who are the bad people? THE MAFIA.

Remember how this all links back to GMarshal? Some could even say he was "The Godfather" of the banlist. What does Vivax say in his first post?

On May 05 2014 07:24 Vivax wrote:
Are you the godfather Steve?


Vivax is mafia with Steve. His name is complete proof of it and he played the ballsy move of revealing his scum team for later plays.


##Vote Vivax



How long does it take mafia to write a concession speech? #wrekt


HF you get vivax I'll get Steve because the more ballsy mafia should live longer.

##vote:Steveling



you need to Bote: Vivax in the boting thread



There is a boting thread? Wow.

##Bote:: Steveling


you spelt Vivax wrong bro
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 13:16 GMT
#216
On May 05 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Cav whyd you choose Steve over Vivax or anyone else?

@Steve what character is Cav?


At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess.


He said he didn't want to vote me to not put me at L-2.
1. It's serious, 2. It provides a serious justification for a non-serious phase, 3. The reason is totally evasive and doesn't say anything about his opinion on me. It reads like an excuse.

That's why I wanna know more about this post.


you are dumb
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 13:18 GMT
#217
and oats can you explain this to me?

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 13:21 GMT
#218
On May 05 2014 22:16 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Cav whyd you choose Steve over Vivax or anyone else?

@Steve what character is Cav?


At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess.


He said he didn't want to vote me to not put me at L-2.
1. It's serious, 2. It provides a serious justification for a non-serious phase, 3. The reason is totally evasive and doesn't say anything about his opinion on me. It reads like an excuse.

That's why I wanna know more about this post.


you are dumb


and the reason is because you took a NON-SERIOUS post and tried to twist it to become something serious!

Not putting you at L-2 is not a serious justification in the slightest it's a "oh i'm joking around but don't want to make it too risky for the jokes" explanation. How do you read this as serious explanation?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 14:01 GMT
#221
On May 05 2014 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually i have no idea how holyflare opens as town. The feeling i get is that he is trying way way way too hard to be funny


LOOOOOOL
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 14:01 GMT
#222
such a twat
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 14:07 GMT
#223
On May 05 2014 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
and oats can you explain this to me?

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie

nah it aint broa nd you know it.

On May 05 2014 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually i have no idea how holyflare opens as town. The feeling i get is that he is trying way way way too hard to be funny



So let me get this straight. You made it out to be my town meta that I get "straight down to business" (even though this isn't the case). You then STICK to this by saying what I was doing ISN'T my town meta. THEN you say you have no idea how I open as town and actually it's just a "trying too hard to be funny"?

My question is, why didn't you just say that in the first place? Why did you feel the need to portray this as my non-town meta when you actually had a reason in the first place?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 14:45 GMT
#226
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:18 GMT
#227
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:20 GMT
#230
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.



how can you NOT understand the point i'm raising

if you are town WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW IT'S CORRECT


##unbote
##Bote: Oatsmaster
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:22 GMT
#231
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:33 GMT
#234
zzz

much afk

many boredom
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:35 GMT
#237
On May 06 2014 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.



how can you NOT understand the point i'm raising

if you are town WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW IT'S CORRECT


##unbote
##Bote: Oatsmaster

because town needs it to be convinced, I dont. This is simple. You are blowing it up into a huge affair because you got caught.


caught at what..........? There's numerous games where I troll for almost the entirety of day 1 yet you tried to twist my actions at a time where EVERYONE was trolling into something that didn't exist in order to push a lynch on a player, "town needs to be convinced" is the worst thing i've ever heard. You literally just admit to lying to push a lynch on someone.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:53 GMT
#241
On May 06 2014 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think you are scum for overacting and then this overreaction to something that I do practically every game anyway and I never do as scum.

On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending.


So why is it that I can't use meta to prove that what you are saying is utter BS but you CAN use meta about yourself to say that you are right? Is this real life or are you just squirming?

On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending.

On May 06 2014 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im really confused here, in what world does scumOats obviously lie about something completely factcheckable and then not give a shit? Oh right, no world.

Your meta doesnt show shit Holyflare.


In what world does town oats lie about something so obviously fact checkable to try and get someone lynched when the game hasn't even started?
+ Show Spoiler +

For anyone that wants to listen to his nonsense and is unconvinced about lynching this mofo yet:

Catastrophe Mafia (Themed) - Didn't do anything ALL of day 1 (oats was in this game), trolled majority of it.

Cell mini mafia trolled almost all game

Titanic 3 Made a fake case on DP to start discussion/get the ball rolling/troll (oats was also in this game!!!)

Vengeful Mafia Did the same thing as titanic 3

Really small mafia - scooby doo all game


You have been in a lot of my games where I've opened with trolling! THAT is why there is an "overreaction" (hint: there's not), you LIED about my meta and it's something you should know about seeing as you were in a lot of those games to get me LYNCHED in an instant majority game but then when I point that out and you have to backtrack and suddenly me pointing out your lie is an overreaction????????

You are scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 15:58 GMT
#242
Here's the chain of events:

1) Oats lies about my meta

2) I jump all over oats for this

3) Oats claims me jumping all over him for lying is an overreaction

4) I prove that what he did is a lie with meta

5) Oats says meta is useless -> says he's right because of meta -> says i'm scum for wanting to lynch a confirmed liar

6) Lynch oats

7) Profit. £££$$$$
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 05 2014 16:11 GMT
#244
Anyway, back to the thread:

On May 05 2014 07:34 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 07:30 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 07:24 Cavalinho wrote:
40/m/nd

Let's cyber.


i'm wearing some nice black lace lingerie:

http://www.annsummers.com/p/rhea-black-babydoll/01stblas1041006

kinda like this


wht u wearin bby?


Cock ring and a smile.


This is the towniest post in the thread. By far.

In all seriousness:
On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Cav whyd you choose Steve over Vivax or anyone else?

@Steve what character is Cav?


At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess.



This. This is incredibly towny and it's so so so so sooooooo odd that Vivax mentioned it was scummy. Why would scum be CONCERNED about someone going to L-2???? It shows that while he was having fun he was also thinking about the consequences the fun could have on the actual game.

In fact the post vivax made: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449650-glory-seeker-mini-mafia?page=11#210

Reminded me of this post from titanic 3: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445107-iii-titanic-mini-mafia-ms-paint-edition?page=47#924

Where he compared peoples "shifts in trolling to not trolling" (he was mafia). He takes Cavalinho's post totally out of context and adds on so many fluffy things "why didn't he mention anything about me", even though it's quite clearly explained in the post.
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May 05 2014 16:15 GMT
#245
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?

Holyflare
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May 05 2014 16:25 GMT
#248
Are you actually kidding me oats? There is 0, absolutely 0 chance you are town this game.
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 16:25 GMT
#249
I point out everything about you and I point out stuff about vivax and koshi and cavalinho but suddenly:

On May 06 2014 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
It feels so fake holyflare. Is cav's stuff really the only thing you noticed?


rofl
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May 05 2014 16:27 GMT
#251
mderg where have you gone? you can't just drop a 1 liner and leave again
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 16:40 GMT
#253
On May 06 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:
I´m still here, I don´t have anything to add right now.

On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?



You stated this previously and then just sat back but me and oats have been talking for a while. Have you not gained anything else from that conversation that makes you lean in any direction?
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 17:56 GMT
#259
On May 06 2014 02:32 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
This. This is incredibly towny and it's so so so so sooooooo odd that Vivax mentioned it was scummy. Why would scum be CONCERNED about someone going to L-2???? It shows that while he was having fun he was also thinking about the consequences the fun could have on the actual game.


I think it's this defense that rubs me the wrong way. "Why would scum do x" as a basis of a townread is stupid. Scum would do x you don't expect them to do in order to look more townie (for example me hard defending Cav last game even though I didn't have to). Good ol' WIFOM. Overall I feel like HF is picking sides way too strongly, and looks too confident with this and his push on Oats. But I'll observe further.


So what you're saying here is that scum do things that make them look towny all the time......? So you're saying that what he did makes him try to "appear" towny!? That is so backwards.

I see it like this -> we're pissing around I make some joke thing on you and me and thrawn joke vote you. Then I do the same thing with steveling, if we all went on you then that would be L-1 (big risk for obvious joke) poofter goes on steve to avoid this, cav does the same to avoid being at l-2. You return and point out that he hasn't talked about you and that he voted steve without saying anything!?!?!?

and you rationalise it by saying he went all serious mode for no reason...? That's what I don't understand and subsequently WHY koshi's response is so unfathomably strange and I want to know what he liked about cav's post before you said anything
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May 05 2014 17:58 GMT
#260
also why have you not mentioned anything about oats at all? he straight up lied about meta to get me lynched when the game was in clear troll mode but you neglect to say anything about that at all?

Holyflare
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May 05 2014 18:28 GMT
#261
god damn this game is slow i'm 1/4 of the threads posts so far, why is everybody just casually lurking?
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 18:39 GMT
#262
1/3*
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May 05 2014 19:03 GMT
#264
On May 06 2014 03:53 Cavalinho wrote:
Yeah, I'm bored.

You wanna make out?


[image loading]
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May 05 2014 19:45 GMT
#269
On May 05 2014 19:23 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 19:19 Vivax wrote:
On May 05 2014 19:11 Koshi wrote:
Vivax
Why are you lurking?


I'm waiting for Cav to reply to that cause that post looks slightly scummy to me although I have trouble saying exactly why.
Not much worth of my attention besides that since a lot of it is people not posting anything of value.

So what do you make of Steve blowing up at Cav? You agree that Cav was just joking with that vote on Steve? You agree Cav was joking when he said he would lurk?

On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 06 2014 04:22 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?


What Vivax says is that cav gave serious reasoning for a trow away vote that was at the same time evasive. I agree with that when I read it.

I was pressuring steveling about his push on cav because it didnt make any sense and steve refuses to explain it.
Explain to me why cav is scum because he said he was going to lurk and then makes the next post after that.

Also explain to me why Vivax gives Oats townread for lying.



Joke vote on steve -> not scummy -> vivax posts reasons that don't make sense if you think that it was a joke vote -> you say you agree with vivax

explain to me how that makes any sense whatsoever?
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May 05 2014 19:55 GMT
#272
how the fuck can it be both a joke post and serious/evasive....?
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 20:08 GMT
#274
On May 06 2014 04:58 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 04:55 Holyflare wrote:
how the fuck can it be both a joke vote and serious/evasive....?

THAT'S THE PROBLEM


yes the problem with your reasoning........ -.-
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May 05 2014 20:09 GMT
#275
tehpoofter literally did the same thing and nobody has said shit about him
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May 05 2014 20:28 GMT
#277
why would you "jokingly" vote vivax over steveling unless he was thinking the exact same thing that cav put into words


poofter, clarify this for us plz
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 20:28 GMT
#278
steveling over vivax*
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 20:50 GMT
#279
Also explain to me why Vivax gives Oats townread for lying.


I don't see where he did that? Although I don't like him coming in at random times, spouting useless crap and ignoring the main issues.
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 21:43 GMT
#284
Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible.


wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.


On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.


because town needs it to be convinced, I dont. This is simple.


On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?

I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that.



How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game?

His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia.
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May 05 2014 21:59 GMT
#287
On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.

yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/

On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.


These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here:

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum.



It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster.
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 22:00 GMT
#288
On May 06 2014 06:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
+1 to the stuff vivax is saying about oats


want to explain this already disproved nonsense?
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May 05 2014 22:02 GMT
#290
k
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#292
god damn it thrawn ~_~
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#294
<3 still luv u bby

xxx
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#295

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?


This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all:

On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?



Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place?

It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all?

I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect.

Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull?


He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said).

So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives?
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May 05 2014 22:41 GMT
#298
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread?
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May 05 2014 23:03 GMT
#300
On May 06 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:
Time to sleep.

Poofter fill in 8 names:

towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scummer that scummed:


why just poofter?
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 23:08 GMT
#301
On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread?


I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it.

I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought.


Ok well, how about this:

What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that?
What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that?

I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind.
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May 05 2014 23:31 GMT
#303
This game feels like trying to get blood out of a stone...
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#305
yup
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#308
Yeh oats just stop typing and roll over. You're attacking me as a player right now instead of what I am typing, I am the only thing you have talked about pretty much ever which is rich when you accused me of focusing on nothing but cav (which never happened). Vivax hardddd defended you by saying what you said was misread or misinformed when you yourself explicitly said it was a lie. Yet, you make no mention of vivax on your return, no mention of anything about anyone.

Have fun.
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 23:54 GMT
#309
On May 06 2014 08:42 Steveling wrote:
Anyone here?


Have your thoughts updated since last time you were around? You've only really talked about cav for posts in a time of joking and koshi.
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May 05 2014 23:57 GMT
#311
On May 06 2014 08:54 Steveling wrote:
HF I don't agree with you on the cav-vivax situation.
You said the following is bs

Show nested quote +
On May 05 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 05 2014 12:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Cav whyd you choose Steve over Vivax or anyone else?

@Steve what character is Cav?


At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off.

I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess.


He said he didn't want to vote me to not put me at L-2.
1. It's serious, 2. It provides a serious justification for a non-serious phase, 3. The reason is totally evasive and doesn't say anything about his opinion on me. It reads like an excuse.

That's why I wanna know more about this post.


How so? This is perfectly logical.


We are having a fun time making up bs. Cavalinho is concerned fun could end up bad if he puts vivax close to lynch. It's not serious, it's not evasive in any way shape or form. Why should cava have a read on vivax when vivax posted nothing? There was no scum reads no anything, just jokes. So why did vivax take it as a serious post, why is it evasive and why should cava have a read on 0 posts?
Holyflare
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May 05 2014 23:58 GMT
#313
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.


He quite categorically says you aren't a liar.
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May 05 2014 23:59 GMT
#315
And no, lying to lynch a towny is never fine oats. Especially when your lie was only concerned with one person in the early game where 5/9 people were present and doing the same.
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May 06 2014 00:00 GMT
#316
Oatsmaster revealed he lied after i called him out for it steveling
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May 06 2014 00:12 GMT
#319
On May 06 2014 09:03 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote:
Oatsmaster revealed he lied after i called him out for it steveling


Yeah obviously, I mean no one else.


how can anyone else call him out if nobody else is around to do it? Don't you think the fact nobody else called him out for it makes it more likely a scummy play than a towny play because he could have gotten away with it unnoticed.

I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.

If you're taking your past experiences as mafia into account then you should absolutely take my past experiences when I say that I have pushed lies and said the exact same logic as oats to appear more towny for doing it numerous times.


Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?user=Holyflare&view=all
On December 08 2013 13:38 Holyflare wrote:
I dunno, a lot of people in this game seemed to pick up on "scum tells" that aren't real scum tells. Like misrepresenting someone isn't a tell, it's just being forgetful or misunderstanding sometimes. It's one thing to lie but to lie about something so obviously fact checkable is a thing i don't think scums would ever do.


I was scum. Enjoy your free win and lynch oats now.
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#321
On May 06 2014 09:21 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:
how can anyone else call him out if nobody else is around to do it? Don't you think the fact nobody else called him out for it makes it more likely a scummy play than a towny play because he could have gotten away with it unnoticed.


That's 100% incorrect.
How would he go unnoticed since you are in the game?

A situation like you described for example, would be my post earlier about gumshoe, gumshoe is not here so I may be lying and get away with it.
But how on earth would Oats get away with it with you here?


That is in fact correct, and why at first I was apprehensive about it:

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On May 05 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
and oats can you explain this to me?

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On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie

On May 05 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 05 2014 22:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 22:18 Holyflare wrote:
and oats can you explain this to me?

On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.


plz let me know the extent of my town games where this has happened because in all honestly this is a complete lie

nah it aint broa nd you know it.

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On May 05 2014 22:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
actually i have no idea how holyflare opens as town. The feeling i get is that he is trying way way way too hard to be funny



So let me get this straight. You made it out to be my town meta that I get "straight down to business" (even though this isn't the case). You then STICK to this by saying what I was doing ISN'T my town meta. THEN you say you have no idea how I open as town and actually it's just a "trying too hard to be funny"?

My question is, why didn't you just say that in the first place? Why did you feel the need to portray this as my non-town meta when you actually had a reason in the first place?

On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

On May 06 2014 00:20 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.



how can you NOT understand the point i'm raising

if you are town WHY WOULD YOU NEED TO CONVINCE ANYONE OF ANYTHING IF YOU DO NOT KNOW IT'S CORRECT


##unbote
##Bote: Oatsmaster


but like I said,
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:28 GMT
#322
To elaborate, it's not specifically about the lie (although that does play a big part in it) it's his motives and actions all through the game after that and his responses. The reason he had to lie, the way he criticises me rather than my posts, the fact he's pointed out that i focused on 1 thing (which I hadn't) but is guilty of worse. It doesn't strike me as someone who is unsure of people's alignments.

Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:34 GMT
#325
On May 06 2014 09:32 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.


Well it's funny you saying this because you are the one who voted for him right after he jumped on you.
You are the one pushing more, oats haven't voted yet.


On May 05 2014 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
What the fuck holyflare.
##vote holyflare
why even sign up if you arent going to bother


it's his second post of the game
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:35 GMT
#329
I'm not super sure, I just have a good reason to think you are scum because the ONLY thing you have done is pushed me this game whereas I have >1/3 of this games posts trying to get to the bottom of people's alignments and motives.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:36 GMT
#331
On May 06 2014 09:34 Steveling wrote:
You know guys, there's a chance both of you are town and scum is laughing in their qt atm.

Can you back up and look at other people?


I hope you are joking because this implies you haven't read anything I've actually written at all.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:37 GMT
#332
On May 06 2014 09:35 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:32 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I'm also going to drop some knowledge bombs on you, mafia does whatever it takes to get someone lynched, they aren't interested in the truth they don't tend to ask questions they just push and push and push.

Where in oats filter does it highlight that he might be wrong about me? Absolutely nowhere. It's that conviction with no questioning and no care about anything else that makes him mafia.


Well it's funny you saying this because you are the one who voted for him right after he jumped on you.
You are the one pushing more, oats haven't voted yet.


On May 05 2014 15:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
What the fuck holyflare.
##vote holyflare
why even sign up if you arent going to bother


it's his second post of the game


LOL this is a complete twist and turn, you know the reasons he did this and that it was a joke vote. LOL
You are trying to make it seem like he voted for you after your debate, LOLOLOL.


No I'm not? This wasn't during the "joking" time at all. I just assumed his vote was on me at this point and couldn't re-vote me because why else would you write ##vote unless you were voting someone?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:41 GMT
#333
On May 06 2014 09:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im criticizing you because its been an ongoing recurrence out of game where you are horrible. Im guessing its not the case this game though.


please explain this?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:46 GMT
#335
So oats you're saying that you're only criticising/pushing me this game because of an "ongoing recurrence where I'm horrible?!?!?!?!" (I don't even interact with people here lol?)
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#337
nah i'd like to know
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#338
+ it's game relevant
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:50 GMT
#341
On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve?


Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched.
People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot.

Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm.


why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:52 GMT
#343
On May 06 2014 09:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
No, thats why im not attacking your play, but rather you.
Anyway, how do you say that scum dont probe and push but just straightout accuse people when you have done it as town before, namely dp in that game before this.


the only person I've ever been "horrible" to is DP so I assume you mean that and which game before this? Titanic? or the one on OMGUS? Titanic I started out as trolling and realised he had 8 pages of contentless filter which is a massive scum tell and was backtracking on everything and was not inquisitive like I stated multiple times with meta instances and proof, OMGUS was because I was trolling.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:54 GMT
#345
On May 06 2014 09:53 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve?


Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched.
People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot.

Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm.


why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category


Poofter is lurker #1 I agree.
Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.


Well then what do you make of his post, my debunking of it and Cava's response? Don't think you had an input into that.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:58 GMT
#348
I can understand why you think I was horrible multiple times if it is in regards to DP but it's simply the fact that he is not a pleasant person behind closed doors and is pretty crude with some of the things he says about people and thinks he's the god send to mafia when in fact he's just another person.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 00:59 GMT
#349
On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.


I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:03 GMT
#351
On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.


I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.


Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol


No but you can read the position they are in the thread by hitting the # button on the post and reading the context of them, just finding it interesting when you have the complete opposite read to me about Vivax and I want to know if you've actually read him in detail or are just spouting off something you think is true.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:11 GMT
#355
God damn it I feel like I've wasted the past day of my life because you can't be bothered to read the thread in the first place:
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On May 06 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:
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Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible.


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wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.


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On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.


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because town needs it to be convinced, I dont. This is simple.


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On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?

I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that.



How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game?

His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia.

On May 06 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.

yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/

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On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.


These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here:

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On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.

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On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum.



It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster.

On May 06 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
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If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?


This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all:

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On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?



Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place?

It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all?

I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect.

Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull?


He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said).

So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives?

On May 06 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread?


I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it.

I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought.


Ok well, how about this:

What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that?
What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that?

I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind.


^^^^ is implied that there is no town motive behind what Vivax posted


He's posted pretty much nothing. His one post of substance completely relies on false Oats meta and he ignores that Oats himself said that he lied and paints me in a scummy light for saying that oats did lie. It shows that he isn't reading the thread, he's hardcore defending a player based on wrong logic and random things (he did this in the last game as mafia on cavalinho). He has like half a page of filter and tries to paint cavalinho as scummy for calling him scum when that just wasn't the case at all. He has no investment in the game (something that rolling scum twice in a row would do) and is pretty much saying nonsense.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:13 GMT
#357
On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg

After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture


Dare I ask..... can you elaborate on your read on me............?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:22 GMT
#365
Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool!

Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me.

I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though:

On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case.


On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
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On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...?


If he was reading he'd know you said:

On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:26 GMT
#366
Let me just clarify something oats. You have only pushed me this game because of out of game reasons?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:49 GMT
#367
On May 06 2014 10:21 Steveling wrote:
Koshis filter in a nutshell

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On May 05 2014 18:43 Koshi wrote:
On May 05 2014 18:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys whats up. i have nothing to contribute atm. but i am down to chat

What do you make of Steve?



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On May 05 2014 19:10 Koshi wrote:
On May 05 2014 19:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah i'm so so town. next question.

Who is the most scummy Oats or Holyflare?



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On May 05 2014 22:07 Koshi wrote:
on another note

Hi mderg!


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On May 06 2014 07:40 Koshi wrote:
Time to sleep.

Poofter fill in 8 names:

towniest town that towned:
Leaning town:
Leaning scum:
Scummiest scummer that scummed:


3 pages of filter with nothing to say.


10/10, could lynch
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:50 GMT
#368
This game is dumb, I only have like 2 townreads/potentially 3
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:50 GMT
#369
people gotta start playing
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:56 GMT
#370
On May 06 2014 10:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
There are no mistakes. Also stevling seems to think im more likely to flip town. Is there any reason why mistakes = scum, stevling?
Also I reread holyflares filter and I retract my scumread.
##vote mderg

After thinking about vivax, I realised that his town read on me is really premature and the reasons he used are incorrect. H could flip scum too. I think I pretty much played exactly like the last 2 scumgames when he gave me the scumread so no real reason to think im town at the juncture


Can you elaborate on this, you give 0 reasoning for your mderg vote but then a lot of reasons why vivax could flip scum but seemingly your vote falls on the person with no explanation? Why mderg over vivax?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 01:57 GMT
#371
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/449777-glory-seeker-mini-mafia-voting-thread

There is also a voting thread you should be posting in.......
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 02:10 GMT
#372
Well, whatever, I'm going to bed. Don't spam the thread toooo much............. -.-
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:15 GMT
#428
On May 06 2014 21:04 Vivax wrote:
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On May 06 2014 00:53 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think you are scum for overacting and then this overreaction to something that I do practically every game anyway and I never do as scum.

On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending.


So why is it that I can't use meta to prove that what you are saying is utter BS but you CAN use meta about yourself to say that you are right? Is this real life or are you just squirming?

On May 06 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
The meta thing does not play a part at all. Nothing. Stop referring to it because its chainsaw defending.

On May 06 2014 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im really confused here, in what world does scumOats obviously lie about something completely factcheckable and then not give a shit? Oh right, no world.

Your meta doesnt show shit Holyflare.


In what world does town oats lie about something so obviously fact checkable to try and get someone lynched when the game hasn't even started?
+ Show Spoiler +

For anyone that wants to listen to his nonsense and is unconvinced about lynching this mofo yet:

Catastrophe Mafia (Themed) - Didn't do anything ALL of day 1 (oats was in this game), trolled majority of it.

Cell mini mafia trolled almost all game

Titanic 3 Made a fake case on DP to start discussion/get the ball rolling/troll (oats was also in this game!!!)

Vengeful Mafia Did the same thing as titanic 3

Really small mafia - scooby doo all game


You have been in a lot of my games where I've opened with trolling! THAT is why there is an "overreaction" (hint: there's not), you LIED about my meta and it's something you should know about seeing as you were in a lot of those games to get me LYNCHED in an instant majority game but then when I point that out and you have to backtrack and suddenly me pointing out your lie is an overreaction????????

You are scum.


I think what I bold here has so much emphasis that HF is either hysterical about what oats did or adheres to an aggressive scumread push too early in the game.

It reads so dramatic and theatrical that it gives me scumvibes. Don't know about you but I do tend to get emphas-y and emotional as scum.

Again, it's one bit of the puzzle. I wouldn't base my whole read on this but it bumps it into a direction and hence I would like some feedback.


Did you even read titanic 3??????
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:19 GMT
#429
Your ONLY contribution in 22 pages of game is still about Cavalinho's post and my reaction to oats. I don't understand how this isn't cleared up already either. You can troll and joke but you can be careful about it at the same time and that's all Cavalinho did imo yet you're constantly mentioning that post... Like wth there's like 200+ posts since that!
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May 06 2014 13:24 GMT
#432
On May 06 2014 16:12 mderg wrote:
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On May 06 2014 10:22 Holyflare wrote:
Well I just did dare! Answer me fooool!

Mderg... I'm not going to lie I have no fooking clue. He was lynchbait in Cell mafia when I played with him and his activity has been low in the games I checked of him previously and in Cell. I liked that he was on you for a bit but I am biased because it's me.

I'm not sure I can reconcile these things together though:

On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

On May 06 2014 01:53 mderg wrote:
I still think Oats play was shit, he might be scum but that´s too big of a tell for just one stupid case.


On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


He goes from saying that you are just making things up, thinks your play is poop and doesn't know if you are scum -> doesn't agree with me that you are scum because suddenly it could just be bad meta...?


If he was reading he'd know you said:

On May 05 2014 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
I did say that reason. Are you not paying attention Holyflare?
The reason why i said that meta stuff is because it sounded nice and I had no way to check.
and would realise you made the entirety of it up so it shows that at least he isn't reading but unless he posts more it's still just a murky nullish for me.

Why do I even bother reading this thread, if you´re saying I don´t read it anyway?

I was saying that he´s not 100% scum for his case on you, not that he´s town. Just because I don´t read things the same way as you it doesn´t mean that I don´t read this thread. You´re really pissing me off this game.



I don´t like koshi´s play.
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On May 06 2014 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oats D1 is always good. Either alignment. He can be in your face on D1. In PYP he had like 10 pages filter D1 & D2 and then 2 page filter in the next 4 days.

This sounds like wanting to policy lynch Oats when there are actual leads that go somewhere, there are reads in the thread, so I don´t like the post.

Also, what´s thrawn doing right now, I want to hear more from him.


This is a major overreaction to what I was saying. Like super overreaction. I said oats didn't have a case his case was based on lies and mderg then said that oats probably wasn't scum because of bad meta....? Oats didn't use bad meta he flat out lied which is what i pointed out about mderg not reading but then he gets all super hardcore pissed at me because i pointed out something that doesn't add up...?

Mderg you still need to explain this. Are you saying you don't think oats lied or what..? Previously you said you had NO reads on other players when me and oats had been posting so when and why did that change for oats?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:33 GMT
#433
On May 06 2014 20:55 Vivax wrote:
Overall we want to get an atmosphere of discussion and not plain accusation and I think his style works against that.

When somebody simply calls the stuff you say dumb, even when your points were nothing extremely damning, but a point from where to start scumhunting, you will feel the urge to avenge your point of view you feel had some validity (to the point of giving it more weight what it deserves cause you have to defend it against that attack), that's what I mean by polarizing me vs. Cava and blowing things out of proportion.

I refused to engage on the conversation with HF more than I did cause of this reason. Arguing with him would have put me in a position where I would have been trying to give my point more weight than it actually has, also making me biased towards my read on Cava.


What did i do after i called it dumb? I posted the reasons why it was most likely a towny point of view to not put someone at L-2 even when trolling and you responded that scum like to do things to appear towny which implied cava was trying to act towny instead of just being town. I tried to make discussion happen and you decided not to do it. Not to mention you just stated that you didn't want to argue after I called it dumb but your only return post was to still talk about cavalinho and falsely talk about oats and then ignored everything i posted after that which nullified what you said.

Why u not discuss things?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:34 GMT
#434
I think lonemeow just likes to ignore all my votes in voting thread
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:37 GMT
#435
On May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.

Can you explain this? You think what he's saying is contribution/good/towny?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 13:51 GMT
#438
Vivax what does that post actually say? The first part seems like you're scum reading him for throwing out reads and claiming lynch bait the second part seems like you're town reading him for being assertive?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 15:28 GMT
#444
On May 07 2014 00:03 mderg wrote:
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On May 06 2014 23:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 22:42 mderg wrote:

My read on Oats didn´t change. He might be scum, he might not be scum. I doubt we can figure it out, if we just ride on that one case he made on you.

Why arent you trying to figure it out?

That´s a bad question. I am trying to figure it out. It´s just that the whole back and forth with you and holy made it more difficult for me.


Wait what...? The only way to figure it out is WITH the back and forth. I asked you AFTER the back and forth what you thought of oats and you said no opinion. Then you changed it to he might be scummy but not just based off that one thing. Then you posted saying you were going to disagree with me that oats was scum but oats was making it hard to do that with his posts and now it's MORE difficult to figure anything out with the same information you had before?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 15:39 GMT
#446
On May 06 2014 18:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey i'm back. what's going on?


baby come back
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 15:41 GMT
#447
thrawn you gotta play bro otherwise i gotta call you scum and i don't want that and you don't want that so come cuddle and have a chat!
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 15:53 GMT
#450
Well apparently I'm misunderstanding you and that is YOUR responsibility to clarify it to me, you don't need to get angry or pissed at me for that. I want you to explain what was going through your mind when you made these posts and lay it all out so I understand what you're actually getting at:



On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?


Here you realise Oats lied about meta, he later backs it up by saying he made it up to look convincing so other people would lynch me here:

On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?

I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that.


This is directly after what you wrote so you should have seen it.

On May 06 2014 01:04 mderg wrote:
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On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:26 mderg wrote:
I don´t understand your play right now, Oatsmaster. Why would you state something as fact, if you have no idea about it?

This is a totally uninformed and useless comment that is taking what I said and twisting it to suit his purposes.

I was not twisting anything to suit my purposes. I just think it´s stupid to state something as a fact, if you don´t know it for fact.
I also don´t think it´s useless to point something out that I strongly disagree with. Even if Holy was scum, your case had absolutely nothing to back it up.


Here you ignored the fact that he said he outright said that he LIED to get me lynched, instead you make it out to be him making a mistake.

Quite some time later, you display no reason for any change of heart, any reasons to change your mind.

On May 06 2014 01:37 mderg wrote:
I´m still here, I don´t have anything to add right now.

You even state that you have no opinion.


So what changed between you thinking that he was scummy but maybe not because it's just one case to thinking he WASN'T scummy in this post:

On May 06 2014 09:12 mderg wrote:
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On May 06 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
booom boom boom.

Mderg is scum too ok for sure.

Vivax was metaing me and all that so Im meh. I dont think Im playing too different from my scum games though. Although he isnt saying that I wasnt lying, hes saying that I didnt explain myself in a 'townie' way.

Im just baffled at the amount of nonsense you say to the thread apparently believing in it.

lying to lynch someone is fine. I wouldnt lie as scum though, too easy to get caught out.

I was about to post that I don´t agree with holy on you being scum, you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible". I´d just call it a bad case based on wrong meta. Incidentally Holy made a case on me in cell mini mafia, also backed up with bad meta reasoning. He was town btw.

I don´t like this post, though. What´s with "Mderg is scum too ok for sure."? Some explanation would be good.

Lying to lynch someone is imo only fine in very few cases. Not with a weak case like yours, though.


You even ignore the part where he said he lied on purpose, which led me to believe you actually HADN'T been reading. Then you got pissy at me for pointing it out.


Explain to me what gave you those reactions, what made you change your mind, lay it all out for me like i'm a 5 year old wanting to learn.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 15:59 GMT
#452
On May 07 2014 00:54 Koshi wrote:
I am tired. I might be off for 12 hours.

~_~
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 16:04 GMT
#454
So when I said you didn't read the thread properly that was in fact correct? You said oats :

you made a bad case but in no way did you lie "to get a towny lynched by any means possible".


when I just proved that wasn't the case
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 16:19 GMT
#457
Not reading properly is the same as not reading the thread. Arguably not reading properly is far worse because you start making up things you think to be true because you have a warped version compared to everyone else and then we reach this impass.

If you can't convince someone to be lynched through normal means, resorting to lying is "using any means possible" that's not really a far stretch. Which is why it's more odd that you compare lying to using bad meta instead because the 2 are not equivalent at all. Unless you are implying they are.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 16:21 GMT
#458
On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing?


Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 16:22 GMT
#459
I would switch my vote to Vivax if it wasn't iml but infinite days op for discussion
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 16:48 GMT
#460
You know.... If people would actually discuss things :p
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:15 GMT
#462
On May 07 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:
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On May 07 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing?


Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us.


And how does all of this make me scum? I bring my points across, you can elaborate on them or not and if you don't think they are true then you don't have to try and convince me so hard of your own point of view.

I have trouble understanding what you're trying to achieve with all your actions.
You want me to see Cava's post as townie, I don't think I have to.
You want me to acknowledge Oats is a liar and that makes me scum. I use other ways of reading him.

And when I don't agree with you and don't want to discuss that with you cause I don't enjoy that, then it makes me scum?


Are you kidding? The scummyness is you're portraying ME negatively pre-emptively before an event even happened. "i didn't want to discuss cav's post to stop an argument", you haven't discussed ANYTHING. You sit back post random sidenotes about a read that hadn't properly evolved. You post a case on oats being town and when disproved you decided not to comment on any of it, take no part in the game, ignore everything i write to then return and tell us about cavalinho all over again. You've even completely dropped any mention of oats so i have to assume you actually AGREED with my points on him.


You don't listen to any points about anything, there's no reason to believe you even care, you have no substance in your posts. "cav is more assertive as town" proves nothing says nothing, especially when he was assertive in that post and without proof of what you mean nobody has any idea if it's true or not . You don't question anyone, you don't even consider that you might have misread a post because you weren't there at the time whereas the people that were there say the post has a different tone. You are spreading doubt amongst people that are actually playing the game and you are lurking.

Now tell me again how that's not scummy?

Agenda 101.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:24 GMT
#464
On May 07 2014 02:21 Steveling wrote:
Can you guys drop this, vivax is super towny.
If he's scum he deserves to win. I can't read him as scum.


"super towny"
"i can't read him as scum"

What a hero. Nobody deserves to win if they are scum. Ever. Drop that line of thinking immediately. I've already asked you to explain why you think he is town but you haven't done it.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:37 GMT
#467
On May 07 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote:
I said multiple times that I find his behavior perfectly normal.


That's good to know but we don't so point out specifically with quotes which parts are super towny.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:50 GMT
#470
On May 07 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
I refuse to do that since there are players yet to say anything.
Don't get tunnel vision on him.


I'm not at all but this post is beyond ridiculous to make. Why do you refuse yet state you don't want me to tunnel vision on him??? I think he is scum and have laid out why. You think he is supppeerrr town, super town enough for you to try and stop us discussing him but REFUSE to post reasons why you think he is town???????

What the fuck man.
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:53 GMT
#471
The easiest way to find scum is to narrow down the pool in which to search by finding townies. Why aren't you helping with that?
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:55 GMT
#473
On May 07 2014 02:53 Koshi wrote:
Holyflare makes me laugh.

??
Holyflare
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May 06 2014 17:56 GMT
#474
Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 02:05 GMT
#483
Your other game is still at deadline....

How has there been like 0 discussion since i left???????
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 02:06 GMT
#484
On May 07 2014 03:07 Koshi wrote:
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On May 07 2014 02:56 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi why you being useless all game? You have a lot of posts but are still in the same category as thrawn and poofter

What category is that?


The category of doing nothing. Don't be a catastrophe koshi
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 02:08 GMT
#486
On May 07 2014 04:10 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm gonna do my catch up one of two ways. i can either read stuff and respond to it as I read it or I'll read everythign without responding and keep notes and then post my notes when i'm done


I hope you're doing the notes version, will give me something to talk about. Hopefully at least it will put you back up on my +town list.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 02:38 GMT
#487
Where you guys should be at:


1) thrawn2112 - was originally green, regreen if notes good
2) holyflare
3) Cavalinho - get the feeeelz, l-2 post so town, picking up on all scummy stuff vivax is doing. Post more bro!
4) mderg - clueless but aggro in all the right ways, could be wrong because low game sample size
5) Koshi - meh koshi (catastrophe koshi or just a castatrophe?)
6) Tehpoofter - meh
7) Oatsmaster - really hesitant about oats but higher than meh /salty
8) Steveling - want to green but is sososo wrong on everything and didn't want to prove someone as towny?? Keep eye on
9) Vivax - pretty scummy, returns to thread to criticise and spread shit then afks again

Non-green people better step up
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 02:41 GMT
#488
My activity will most likely be really really low because some stuff came up recently but then again still most likely higher than 3/4 of the people in the game
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 03:07 GMT
#495
I don't really like Oats' post about "Vivax might be scum," because I get kind of an opportunistic vibe from it, especially when he said Holyflare could flip scum as well. I get the feeling that he's just kind of weighing his options when it comes to lynches, but the rest of his filter feels relatively towny. I lean town on Oats, but that most certainly isn't 100%.


Can you explain this to me cava? I don't think he mentions me and vivax as being scum in the same post of anything? Seem to remember him dropping his scum read afyer reading my filter.

Can you point out to me what you like?
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May 07 2014 03:20 GMT
#500
Pretty sure the h is a typo of he. Seeong as he unscumread me right above that paragraph
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 12:28 GMT
#603
On May 07 2014 21:06 Vivax wrote:
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On May 07 2014 21:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont think koshi is the lynch you're looking for vivax.

what are your reads? on everyone please.


Why shouldn't Koshi be the lynch you're looking for? I'm not sure about most of my reads hence why I'm not pushing anyone aggressively, but I do call out the stuff I find as a possible scumtell.

I'm not sure about any of my reads, except maybe on Steve but I'm probably biased cause he actually reads and understands what I write.


So someone understanding what you write is town despite him being the only 1 out of 7 people. You do realise he called you super town without reading your filter and refused to back it up at all? He then completely flipped on that in his big read post.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 12:33 GMT
#605
VIVAX


Only thing I have against vivax is that he only defended himself so far, not a single read on anoyone.
I want to see real posts or I'll give him scum points.


So why include this in his list of scum people if he was just conceding to everyone's whim?
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 14:14 GMT
#623
Absolutely 100000% we lynch steveling tomorrow
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 14:43 GMT
#627
On May 07 2014 23:16 Steveling wrote:
How so?
Is it because I was right when everyone else was wrong?
Mby I'm just that awesome.

Lynch oats or HF.


Rofl oats or hf....

It's because you are right when everyone else was wrong but when asked why you thought vivax was super town enough to stop us discussing him you had no reasons.

On May 06 2014 09:53 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:41 Steveling wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whos scum steve?


Well in this "majority vote" setup, I think people who don't offer opinions on everyone should be lynched.
People who fixate on a couple persons, people who seem to have difficulty providing reads, people who lurk, they should all be lynched or shot.

Mderg and Koshi fit this profile perfectly atm.


why not poofter, even vivax? they are all lurker category


Poofter is lurker #1 I agree.
Vivax has already taken stance yesterday, so I think he's sleeping/working/whatever now and when he's back he will contribute.

On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.


On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.


I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.


Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol


On May 06 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
I'm very happy with vivax, I would pet him if I could, lol.
Very nice and logical posts.

On May 07 2014 02:27 Steveling wrote:
I said multiple times that I find his behavior perfectly normal.

On May 07 2014 02:40 Steveling wrote:
I refuse to do that since there are players yet to say anything.
Don't get tunnel vision on him.

VIVAX


Only thing I have against vivax is that he only defended himself so far, not a single read on anoyone.
I want to see real posts or I'll give him scum points.

On May 07 2014 14:18 Steveling wrote:
I haven't dived him obviously yet.
The general impression from reading the thread was that his posts are awesome.
His posts are still awesome, I still agree with them and I find them logical.
The thing is that after I dived him I noticed that he only defended himself.

On May 07 2014 19:48 Steveling wrote:
Alright guys, let's do this.

Let's prove how nonsensical this is.

##unbote
##vote:Vivax

On May 07 2014 22:29 Steveling wrote:
I don't blame him at all.
He's the only one with towny posts.


Said you filter dived vivax. Didn't talk with anyone about vivax at all ever. In fact tried to shut down any and all discussion. Told me not to tunnel vivax, when asked why i should town read him you refused to answer (still wtfing about that). Randomly added him to your list of people you thought were scummy (why do that if you think he's super town....?), said you hadn't actually filter dived him yet but then did and started to agree with other people.....

Yolo wtf vote on your super town read ahahahahah because you "don't care anymore"

Still maintain he was super town and berating ppl post flip.


Don't get me started on how you town read oats for his lies and said he was silly town and me and him were probably two towns arguing and then made a whole case on how his lies are scummy.





Holyflare
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May 07 2014 14:44 GMT
#628
Phone posting so excuse the shitty layout and presentation
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 14:50 GMT
#630
Town read a person nobody else does is scum mistake #1. You aim to look better after the flip, you throw suspicion on the people that were pushing the guy etc etc.

If he was really so convinced he would never, absolutely NEVER vote for his super town read as town. The fact he did it AND CALLED OUT THE PEOPLE who were talking about scummy vivax to vote for him shows that he had a motive to do so.

+vivax free mislynch
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May 07 2014 14:53 GMT
#631
On May 07 2014 19:48 Steveling wrote:
Alright guys, let's do this.

Let's prove how nonsensical this is.

##unbote
##vote:Vivax


On May 07 2014 19:50 Steveling wrote:
1 more vote and we lynch, come on guys.


On May 07 2014 20:24 Steveling wrote:
Come on guys, put your vote where your mouths are.
Bote for bibax.


Does this look like someone in the dark about vivax's alignment? Not to me.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:37 GMT
#639
On May 08 2014 00:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Sorry Vivax


Don't be sorry he played like ass. Although hammering him when you did was rather annoying /odd when we have infinite time to talk
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:39 GMT
#640
On May 08 2014 00:00 Steveling wrote:
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On May 07 2014 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Town read a person nobody else does is scum mistake #1. You aim to look better after the flip, you throw suspicion on the people that were pushing the guy etc etc.

If he was really so convinced he would never, absolutely NEVER vote for his super town read as town. The fact he did it AND CALLED OUT THE PEOPLE who were talking about scummy vivax to vote for him shows that he had a motive to do so.

+vivax free mislynch


If you are town hf, which I doubt it, after this game you shall sheep me blindly 'cause I earned it so.
Well after I flip green that is.

Instead of your baseless uselessness, how about backing up your reasoning with WHY'S instead of refusing to like you did with your super town read vivax.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:42 GMT
#642
On May 08 2014 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah I dont know why steve is talking so much shit.

Mdreg I think tmr rather than steve.

Also explain why mderg, have you read his past games etc? Thought you had him as new town? (i still do)

Also, why ignore overwhelming Steveling evidence?
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:45 GMT
#647
On May 08 2014 00:42 Steveling wrote:
I said it 4-5 times already.
You are either demonstrating bad logic again like with vivax or you are scum.

And again this is useless because you don't explain ANYTHING. I posted my logic on vivax, people agreed with it. You didn't say a god damn word. You lied about reading his filter the first time because i already explained what you found out the time you actually DID read his filter but you don't mention that either.

Your only reason for calling me scum seemingly was because me and oats argued and then he buddied me...?

Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:58 GMT
#653
On May 06 2014 09:57 Steveling wrote:
Reading Vivax I remembered another mistake by oats.
Damn it oats, stop playing like this, I'd hate to lynch you and then you flipping green.

On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.

On May 06 2014 10:02 Steveling wrote:
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On May 06 2014 09:59 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 09:58 Steveling wrote:
Vivax strong townread for me.


I don't want you to just re-read his filter I want you to read the actual thread where what he says is misrepresentation of Cavalinho and hard defences of Oats based on falsehoods.


Will I find different posts of his in the thread than in his filter? lol


I then posted:
On May 06 2014 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
God damn it I feel like I've wasted the past day of my life because you can't be bothered to read the thread in the first place:
+ Show Spoiler +

On May 06 2014 06:43 Holyflare wrote:
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Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


You mafia vivax? Biggest load of bs contained in 2 paragraphs I've ever read. You're throwing around words like "misunderstood" or "misreads" instead of lying to get a towny lynched by any means possible.


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wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.


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On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 05 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Not paying attention to what? I'm asking why you even mentioned my meta in the first place if you had literally no idea about my meta at all. You've answered now "because it sounded nice"........................... wtf does that even mean, that's the scummiest shit i've ever heard, why would you need to make your argument sound nice if you're just trying to point out information you think is right (all my meta is in my profile too)

I literally said that meta shit because it sounded nice and convincing and had a decent chance of being correct.


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because town needs it to be convinced, I dont. This is simple.


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On May 06 2014 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:22 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Do you know how to play this game Holyflare? Half of the battle comes when town decides that their ego is too large to sheep people without so called "good cases"


So what, you make up points to try and get someone lynched when you don't know whether the points are actually accurate or not? Is that what you are seriously sticking to?

I dont see what accuracy has to do with anything. Fact is, what convinces me is not what convinces other people and if I have to lie my ass off to get other people to listen, I dont see anything wrong with that.



How can you possible defend oats saying he misread or misinterpreted when he said that he lied himself when he got caught out and then instead of you know, playing the game he just said how i am so mafia and wasn't doing anything instead of you know.... playing the rest of the game?

His "in your face" town style is also wrong meta because in catastrophe he was exactly the same and was mafia.

On May 06 2014 06:59 Holyflare wrote:
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On April 03 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
I really really dont like that Balla decides to propose a random lynch without mentioning any of the stuff that happened so far, and he never even explained why he wanted to random lynch. Feels a lot like he wants to be intentionally random and posted without having anything to say, indicative of a mafia mindset.

yay sandro is actually playing the game \o/

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On April 03 2014 11:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also robik rage voting dandel and then voting for iamp unexplained also feels bad, not noob bad but scum bad.
Like hes faking the rage against dandel right so he votes for him, then he feels like maybe he can get more support for an iamp lynch and is just testing the waters with his vote. Townies always have a reason for voting someone and its so early in the game it cant really be a trap or anything. Robik you gotta explain yourself.


These (^^^) are his first 2 posts from catastrophe, compare them to the first posts here:

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On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
Holyflare playing like shit and way over blowing the non-serious attitude. In all his town games he gets down to business fast and even when he jokes around it isnt to this extent.

Cal might be scum for being overdefensive yeah or stevling for being seriously on vivax for no reason.

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On May 05 2014 20:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
I think koshi is faking his nonchalant town play. Feels extremely fake. Thrawn too chill to be scum.



It's like, identical styles. In the top we see mafia Oatsmaster. In the bottom we see mafia Oatsmaster.

On May 06 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
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If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?


This is also factually incorrect, he never calls you scum at all:

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On May 06 2014 02:38 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 01:15 Holyflare wrote:
However, I do note that the differences between Titanic and here is that Vivax "wants to know more" here, whereas he states in Titanic things are fact. Which brings me to Koshi's response.

I want him to answer this first before I go to any conclusions but it was a super odd response after just berating people for calling cav suspicious:

On May 06 2014 00:18 Holyflare wrote:
On May 05 2014 20:56 Koshi wrote:
I don't see why it is scummy. I don't understand how everybody takes everything serious what Cav did and tries to spin it into something scummy.

On May 05 2014 21:11 Koshi wrote:
that actually sounds smart.



koshi if that's the reason vivax came up with for disliking cav's reply and you liked his response then what did you LIKE about it in the first place to write this?



Why does anyone have to like anything about my post in the first place?

It was a post I made when everyone was goofing off, and then all of a sudden I start watching out for L-2 botes and I'm the most suspicious guy in the thread? Wtf? How is that even a logical conclusion to jump to at all?

I do want to hear more from Koshi I guess, but Vivax is super suspicious to me right now. Steveling is doing silly shit too, but is pushing a possible inconsistency. I can see his line of thinking making sense, albeit being incorrect.

Vivax is twisting shit. Why would I bother mentioning you at all in a joke post? Why would I willingly just put you at L-2 for no reason whatsoever, off of yet another joke post? Furthermore, why would I need to justify myself when the case on you is obviously fake? What are you trying to pull?


He calls you out on legitimate queries. It's a joke post, everyone saw it as a joke post and he explained his reasoning for the joke post and then you treated it like a real post, which IS weird (like I already said).

So really vivax your post says nothing and you're not even representing what is happening in the game properly, not to mention the meta that doesn't align with oats. What gives?

On May 06 2014 08:08 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 06 2014 07:47 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 07:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 06 2014 07:32 Cavalinho wrote:
On May 06 2014 06:17 Vivax wrote:
I just wanted to know more about that post. What was serious and whatnot, hence I find it quite a bit of overreaction from Cava to give me "super suspicion" and say I'm twisting things cause I stated my thoughts about his post (upon request!) without even being judgmental about him.

It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now.

If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie?

Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive).

He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence.

Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often.

With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today.


I think a combination of tone and a logical leap (asking more about a post that others have found relatively towny because I didn't include you in it) made me think less of you at the time. The only thing I really don't like about this post is that I feel like you're martyring yourself by saying "wtf Cav thinks I'm scummy how dare he."

I still don't understand why you would expect me to give a read of you based off of nothing. I don't feel like any of my reads are relatively strong with the exception of HF, and even then I wouldn't put money on what I currently think of him. If I even had to give anyone a read on you right now...I'd say it's rather null for the moment. I don't think "suspicious" warrants the same response as "I'm going to vote you and push you until you die." There's a clear difference between the two, and I feel like this post was made, in part, to make me look bad.

Maybe I'm overreacting, maybe I'm not. I don't really know what to think of you yet. I think you're null...For the moment.


Presumably you've read the thread. What do you think of that post now that I've already disproved it all as nonsense and misrepresenting things happening in the thread?


I think it's a very manipulative post. The whole thing plays out like a way of making me look bad without actually outright saying anything against me. It smells like the equivalent of putting your hand up away from someone and then pointing a finger at them behind it.

I'm beginning to think Vivax is scummy. I want to see him post more though, I don't want to get sucked into a one-way train of thought.


Ok well, how about this:

What reason does a towny have to post a manipulative post such as that?
What reason does scum have to post a manipulative post such as that?

I think if you talk it through it will be quite evident what you are already thinking in the back of your mind.


^^^^ is implied that there is no town motive behind what Vivax posted


He's posted pretty much nothing. His one post of substance completely relies on false Oats meta and he ignores that Oats himself said that he lied and paints me in a scummy light for saying that oats did lie. It shows that he isn't reading the thread, he's hardcore defending a player based on wrong logic and random things (he did this in the last game as mafia on cavalinho). He has like half a page of filter and tries to paint cavalinho as scummy for calling him scum when that just wasn't the case at all. He has no investment in the game (something that rolling scum twice in a row would do) and is pretty much saying nonsense.


Which you ignored.

And then:
On May 07 2014 02:15 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 07 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote:
On May 07 2014 01:17 Koshi wrote:
HF how are.your Vivax and Oats 100% scumreads doing?


Oats not so much anymore, vivax pretty stronk. He complains that he didn't want to argue with me to stop discussion being stifled yet ignored everything i was doing to discuss his point. He returns to the thread with the same points previously but - the oats part which me and oats already disproved and when discussion starts he leaves again. He's talking at us rather than with us.


And how does all of this make me scum? I bring my points across, you can elaborate on them or not and if you don't think they are true then you don't have to try and convince me so hard of your own point of view.

I have trouble understanding what you're trying to achieve with all your actions.
You want me to see Cava's post as townie, I don't think I have to.
You want me to acknowledge Oats is a liar and that makes me scum. I use other ways of reading him.

And when I don't agree with you and don't want to discuss that with you cause I don't enjoy that, then it makes me scum?


Are you kidding? The scummyness is you're portraying ME negatively pre-emptively before an event even happened. "i didn't want to discuss cav's post to stop an argument", you haven't discussed ANYTHING. You sit back post random sidenotes about a read that hadn't properly evolved. You post a case on oats being town and when disproved you decided not to comment on any of it, take no part in the game, ignore everything i write to then return and tell us about cavalinho all over again. You've even completely dropped any mention of oats so i have to assume you actually AGREED with my points on him.


You don't listen to any points about anything, there's no reason to believe you even care, you have no substance in your posts. "cav is more assertive as town" proves nothing says nothing, especially when he was assertive in that post and without proof of what you mean nobody has any idea if it's true or not . You don't question anyone, you don't even consider that you might have misread a post because you weren't there at the time whereas the people that were there say the post has a different tone. You are spreading doubt amongst people that are actually playing the game and you are lurking.

Now tell me again how that's not scummy?

Agenda 101.

Which you told me to stop tunneling vivax and then refused to explain why he was town. So really, you didn't give a crap whether I'm tunneled or not and you didn't care about your super town read getting lynched.


I say he's doing nothing but preemptive defences of why he isn't talking so much. You say stop saying he's scum he's super town then come with a list of people saying you've finally read vivax and his posts are all defensive with no reads.


Please explain how you didn't get that on your first read of his filter when it's so evidently been pointed out. Yes, thats right. You didn't read his filter the first time. You lied.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 15:59 GMT
#654
On May 08 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:
HF might be scum. This push feels like shit.


Explain or you will not be in this game much longer.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 16:06 GMT
#656
Something out of.... Nothing? You said you read vivax and then said he's super town.

You said you finally read vivax and that he is just defending. In your list of scum suspects.

You voted for your super town read.

This is an open and closed case.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 16:10 GMT
#658
Like, if you were town I'd expect you to at least listen and acknowledge someone's comments when they think someone is scum. If you were town you'd reread your super towns filter when a lot of people call him scum. I'd get if you said "hey i read vivax's filter and what you guys were saying has some merit let's talk it out"

You just reread it and said he was too defensive and then all of a sudden it's "hey poofter the guy i think is scummy said we should lynch vivax, i give up let's lynch him!"

Huuuuuh?
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 16:11 GMT
#659
On May 08 2014 01:07 Steveling wrote:
Ofc it is for you.
Like bibax was.


You mean the guy i scum read but when he was at l-1 i was trying to talk to to get a better read on? Yeh that guy.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 16:18 GMT
#661
Ok yeh, don't talk about events in the game just attack me for going on vivax. Well, can't be more clear than that to everyone else.
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 17:04 GMT
#663
So why can't you just talk through the points i raised instead....?
Holyflare
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May 07 2014 23:28 GMT
#683
He never responds to anything about in game happenings, he just starts insulting the player and never providing info when asked. He super town read vivax after "reading his filter" and no matter what was pointed out he ignored it. Then when asked why vivax is super town, refused to answer and then said later that he didn't read vivax's filter after all and when he did it was all defensive.

Caught out in a lie. Too much alignment knowledge. He did similar things in cell too thrawn, "knew" alignments etc and got all cocky when called out.

If and when i die i swear to god you better lynch him.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 00:44 GMT
#687
On May 08 2014 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
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On May 08 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:
HF might be scum. This push feels like shit.


Explain or you will not be in this game much longer.


This still remains unexplained and was really counter intuitive after koshi was saying i looked nothing like scum from last game
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 01:44 GMT
#688
On May 08 2014 08:32 thrawn2112 wrote:
can you link me specific examples? or just describe them and when they happened so that I'll know what to look for?

and if anyone knows if he's played a town game then ples give link


I remember him having an argument with gumshoe and then when people started calling him mafia he had a hissy fit and rage quit thread because of gumshoe posting about swearing on his life and then whenever someone disagreed with him about his arguments when he returned he acted super superior like he knew everything, hence major deja vu.

He even has a similar refusal to answer post!
On April 06 2014 01:13 Steveling wrote:
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On April 06 2014 01:09 getmoript wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:15 gumshoe wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:11 Steveling wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:06 gumshoe wrote:
Btw Geript rayn was heavily intoxicated when he did what he did, and he quit catastrophe as well in the same manner, so it doesn't have anything to do neccecairely with alignment, he did what he did because he had no inhibition. For the most part it's hard to take anything away from his post, but there is one thing not a soul has mentioned, one undeniable fact. Anyone guess what it was?

I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home.


He asked a question, how is he wrong.


He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum.

GET OUT OF MY HEAD GUMSHOE!!!!!!!!!!


You realise him and you arrived at 2 completely different conclusions?

And I refuse to comment on your other post.


Gumshoe also attributed that arrogance to a town Steveling (he was scum)


I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 02:21 GMT
#693
Thought he added that after he was asked but no idea.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 02:31 GMT
#694
And i don't think he's had a town game thrawn
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 03:06 GMT
#698
Holy shit i was in that game lollllll, got modkilled because it was my first game and had 80ppl and i thought "fuck this shit 5 pages a minute"
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 03:17 GMT
#700
Yupppp 80 player games for you
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 11:16 GMT
#709
On May 08 2014 20:09 Koshi wrote:
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On May 08 2014 09:44 Holyflare wrote:
On May 08 2014 00:59 Holyflare wrote:
On May 08 2014 00:52 Koshi wrote:
HF might be scum. This push feels like shit.


Explain or you will not be in this game much longer.


This still remains unexplained and was really counter intuitive after koshi was saying i looked nothing like scum from last game

Yes, you do look nothing like your scum game. But the instant push on Steve is so opportunistic. The guy looks bad after flip and you jump on him because he does a suicidal play?
But you make an entire case out of it even though EVERYBODY can see what Steve did. It's not like Steve was pretending to have changed his read. He voted Vivax while he had Vivax as town. Yes, we saw that.

What's new? Nothing. Both you and poofter don't add anything new. You just say: "Steve voted Vivax while he had him as town, Steve is scum". Which is in normally correct, but only if Steve tries to hide the fact he has Vivax as town. Now it was obvious.


Then you aren't reading a single thing i wrote or the thread at all. Thrawn was the first to mention this stuff before, i pointed out that steveling has completely lied about what he was doing re:reading vivax.

Says he read vivaxs filter - ignores all cases against vivax saying he read his filter and was super town - SAYS HE HADN'T READ VIVAX - says he hadn't read vivax and now that he has he agrees with things people have been saying


How can nobody else see that at all? Even now he's just saying random crap when people try and ask him questions. The guy is NOT town
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 11:24 GMT
#712
You clearly aren't even factoring in how new players play mafia. They think being right makes them look better all the time. See it in newbie games always. Heck, even older players still do it sometimes.

There is one weird thing you did pick out from poofter though, where he says Steveling's saving grace was how he carried him as scum last game. It's not a saving grace if that makes him look more scummy.

Holyflare
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May 08 2014 11:28 GMT
#713
I really thought Vivax was scum because he refused to play the game like I know he can
.
HF should be town. I also felt he did the work I did in normall ass mafia but I don't like him anymore. Vivax had him and you as scum...


Explain how these 2 go together. How can you think he was scum for not playing the game but then suddenly start to trust his reads because he was town after all. It still doesn't change the fact that he wasn't playing the game
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 14:42 GMT
#732
Poofter said he was catching up with his other game because it was around deadline at some point? It's also quite some thing to correlate him lying about posting in a game that we can all see with lack of activity here and saying he lied, compared to steve actually getting caught in a lie about this games going ons.

I'm not 100% but i can be confident and this is pretty self evident. Town doesn't refuse to explain town reads, town doesn't lie about reading someone's filter and calling them super town and ignores all the facts, town doesn't ignore all questions asked to just post statements on return.

Poofters filter is mediocre but I'm not going to lie, i had the same thought about vivax being town because of what steve was doing but oats hammered him before i could ask anything properly. Regardless, i probably would have still lynched him
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 14:49 GMT
#733
Phone died earlier and that was being typed out before it died
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 14:58 GMT
#735
On May 08 2014 22:59 Steveling wrote:
You guys played bad and read him bad and you are just jelly.
My read was excellent and I will be here after the game ends to gloat.

You told me not to tunnel him because he was super town, i asked you to explain why he was super town so i could get on with the game/see something i might have missed and you refused to explain why he was super town. You then said you actually hadn't read him and when you did he was all defensive and would gain scummy points if he continues, you didn't let him do anything but you "gave up" and wanted him lynched.

Then you blame us for not listening to you? Grow up kid, you're scum.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 14:59 GMT
#736
On May 08 2014 23:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
i'm sorry but i'm a little too frustrated with this game to be of any use right now

Why frustrated? I have some solid towny people to get you through the game.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:15 GMT
#745
r.i.p thrawn
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:16 GMT
#746
On May 09 2014 00:09 Steveling wrote:
I say we lynch Oats or HF.
You guys pick one.


So me and oats had an argument the entire start of the game because we're both scum making a play....?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:23 GMT
#749
What the hell are you talking about? Any nk would make you look the same (bad).

Why vote straight away instead of discussion?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:25 GMT
#751
Any talking would be beneficial. Any at all.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:36 GMT
#755
On May 09 2014 00:32 Koshi wrote:
Didn't you have Steve as 100% scum? What do you want him to say?

ANY RESPONSE TO ANYTHING would be cool, don't even know why you're pointing this out when you literally just told us not to vote immediately.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:40 GMT
#756
On May 09 2014 00:31 Steveling wrote:
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On May 09 2014 00:16 Holyflare wrote:
On May 09 2014 00:09 Steveling wrote:
I say we lynch Oats or HF.
You guys pick one.


So me and oats had an argument the entire start of the game because we're both scum making a play....?


I did this with palmar. You could be scum buddies.


You did not do it to that extent at all. Regardless, why did you oats town all throughout the start of the game when i was talking about him, voting him etc but then flipped to him being scum for the same reasons you town read him?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:40 GMT
#757
Havs oats as*
Holyflare
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#762
On May 09 2014 00:44 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 00:36 Holyflare wrote:
On May 09 2014 00:32 Koshi wrote:
Didn't you have Steve as 100% scum? What do you want him to say?

ANY RESPONSE TO ANYTHING would be cool, don't even know why you're pointing this out when you literally just told us not to vote immediately.

Glad to see my wise words have an impact on you.
So do you still have Steve as 100% scum or did thrawn dieing changed this?


Nothing is ever 100%, thrawn dying had no impact on anything.
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May 08 2014 15:52 GMT
#763
On May 09 2014 00:50 Koshi wrote:
And I got RB.


Lol what? Why you?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:54 GMT
#767
On May 09 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Don't give time to scum guys.
Vote me or vote HF, I'm town, he's scum.
But do it asap.


Time to do what? The quicker the day the MORE scum favoured it is.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:54 GMT
#769
On May 09 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 00:52 Holyflare wrote:
On May 09 2014 00:50 Koshi wrote:
And I got RB.


Lol what? Why you?

Are you going to dispute me getting RB?????


No, I'm just curious why the hell they rb'd you, very very random.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 15:55 GMT
#770
On May 09 2014 00:54 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 00:53 Koshi wrote:
On May 09 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote:
Don't give time to scum guys.
Vote me or vote HF, I'm town, he's scum.
But do it asap.

No. We wait at least 48 hours. That's a normal day.

Why is poofter town Steve?


I won't discuss anything else than holyflare/oats being scum.


Well then go afk so we can finish discussion on the rest of the game.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 16:13 GMT
#774
Koshi, you think poofter is scum because he used information that vivax was town to portray steve as scum right? Why wouldn't he just follow consensus at that point and vote vivax if he was mafia?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 19:10 GMT
#779
On May 09 2014 01:39 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi, you think poofter is scum because he used information that vivax was town to portray steve as scum right? Why wouldn't he just follow consensus at that point and vote vivax if he was mafia?

He had to do something. He didn't do anything this game till then.


Yeh but then why go against vivax consensus when he could have bandwagoned the vivax lynch everyone was agreeing with?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 19:55 GMT
#782
On May 09 2014 04:51 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 04:10 Holyflare wrote:
On May 09 2014 01:39 Koshi wrote:
On May 09 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote:
Koshi, you think poofter is scum because he used information that vivax was town to portray steve as scum right? Why wouldn't he just follow consensus at that point and vote vivax if he was mafia?

He had to do something. He didn't do anything this game till then.


Yeh but then why go against vivax consensus when he could have bandwagoned the vivax lynch everyone was agreeing with?

The same counts for Steve. Why take the risk as scum and vote Vivax?
So let's look at what Poofter did outside the Vivax lynch:

-
-
-


Oh yeah. That's it.


No it's not the same for steve at all, he had maintained from the start that vivax was town. He even started to give him scum points at the end of the day. He was set there.

Poofter was not. He has no incentive to call vivax towny because of Steveling at that point. If you're saying he did it to look better after the flip then everything you have been saying about Steveling not doing it for credit is bs.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 19:56 GMT
#783
I'm not saying he can't be scum but it's not for the reasons you've outlined other than the 0 activity.
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 21:26 GMT
#787
Mderg you think Steveling is mafia, pretty obvious at that. So then you also think that me and poofter could also contain scum because of buddying. That therefore means we are super hardcore bussing scum buddy Steveling then?

Is that what you're suggesting? Or are you presenting an alternate theory or what?
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 21:51 GMT
#788
Pretty shambolic that only like 2 people gave discussed anything today
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 22:01 GMT
#790
On May 09 2014 06:55 mderg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
Mderg you think Steveling is mafia, pretty obvious at that. So then you also think that me and poofter could also contain scum because of buddying. That therefore means we are super hardcore bussing scum buddy Steveling then?

Is that what you're suggesting? Or are you presenting an alternate theory or what?

Yes, that´s what I´m suggesting. It´s not that unlikely considering how obvious steve´s scumminess is.


Ok, that's just a pretty odd conclusion to have :p

The buddying you mention between me and poofter, where does that occur? I know me and koshi were talking about him previously but what input do you have to that discussion? Do you agree with koshi that poofter mentioning vivax was town because of steve looking like mafia was a case of too much information on poofters part then?

If steve is really obviously mafia, why is koshi defending him so much?

Holyflare
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May 08 2014 23:41 GMT
#797
I've given steve like a million frickin opportunities to explain himself but he just calls me scum then he switches later to 4 people being scum (more than half the game.....). I can't see ANY town mentality behind this at all??

In his eyes his scum reads are calling him scum but all he's doing is caling them scum back and not answering anything from anyone.

Koshi is playing super fucking weird. Everyone sees steve as scummy BUT koshi and koshi isn't asking steve any questions about his play or anything so how is he so sure? he even said "oh he might be scum" later. Everyone has called Steveling scummy but for some reason koshi uses vivax who didn't really feature in this game as a reason to flip his own meta read on me alone when it's not just me on steve
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 23:43 GMT
#798
And his oats case isn't a case, it's everything i already explained previously on why oats was scummy and STEVE TOWN READ OATS FOR IT. Then later. Somehow. Despite making a case on oats that he used, me and oats are still scum???
Holyflare
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May 08 2014 23:49 GMT
#800
On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.

Can you explain?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:00 GMT
#804
On May 09 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its kinda more like a gut read because Poof's mindset is a bit off.
Its too encouraging of steve, i did that the last game cause it feels nice but town would be fucking annoyed with his shit.

also
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 08:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 09 2014 08:49 Holyflare wrote:
On May 09 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
poofter scum.
Steve is a policy lynch at this point tbh.

Can you explain?


Gotta setup tomorrow's mislynch. Oats planning ahead here.

He never ever gave a read on me, suddenly im super super scum.


^^^^ like this point a lot.

Poofter keep saying everything about steve points to being scum. Then says if you're town you have to step up, oats case was good stuff.

If Steveling's actions only point towards scummy, why would his case on you be good and why make a motivation speech if his actions are only scummy.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:10 GMT
#808
His case is not new, you didn't mention it before, i made it first, so why is it odd that i bring it up when you start mentioning the possibility of a steve town after talking non stop about how he is scummy?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:11 GMT
#809
Also cav thinks steve is scum too. It is literally only koshi that doesn't (mabe oats to an extent)
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:14 GMT
#811
This is majority lynch so if a town roles over and dies like he is doing its easy to get a misslynch pushed as scum.


Did you just call him town??? :O:O
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:19 GMT
#814
Yeh but it's not if he is town it's if a town rolls over - like he is doing.

Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:24 GMT
#815
Koshi is playing super fucking weird. Everyone sees steve as scummy BUT koshi and koshi isn't asking steve any questions about his play or anything so how is he so sure? he even said "oh he might be scum" later. Everyone has called Steveling scummy but for some reason koshi uses vivax who didn't really feature in this game as a reason to flip his own meta read on me alone when it's not just me on steve


What do you guys think of this?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:37 GMT
#818
Everyone loves to point out slips. It's a forum thing.

I have no idea what it means and I'm not going to speculate until he flips.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:39 GMT
#819
And even if he flips mafia i probably still won't speculate that much because association cases normally end up very weak.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:42 GMT
#820
I kind of just want to rip off the band aid and lynch steveling tbh. Given him 3 or 4 days of questioning and outs to explain himself and he just called me mafia repeatedly instead of playing the game.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:43 GMT
#821
##bote Steveling
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:43 GMT
#822
For justice!
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 00:55 GMT
#824
2) holyflare - me, should be fooking obvious

3) Cavalinho - early town read, the more afk the less town read i/you should be giving him. Complains he never gets to day 2 as town, reaches day 2, much afk (careful town read)
4) mderg - my little fwend

5) Koshi - not asking questions to universal scum read, says vivax wasn't playing properly, took vivax's reads over his own meta of me, odd steve defenses

6) Tehpoofter - not enough activity until now, thoughts aligned about steveling/vivax at end of day 1 but giving steveling more outs and town motivation speeches are weird if he has been paying attention, keep eye on but higher than other greys.

7) Oatsmaster - investigator oats is on the case! Looks interested in finding out inconsistencies, early game was a twat but flip of read after reading my filter shows incentive to town read people, hasn't seemed too knowledgeable or pushy like is as scum

8) Steveling - self explanatory (read his last 2 or 3 filter pages lol)
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 01:05 GMT
#825
I dunno how to explain my mderg read to you? It's like on my day 1 towny list where i wanted to town read steve for being wrong. It's the case of being wrong but having his own explanation for it that works for him kind of thing?

I guess I'll just say it's a newbie tell.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:25 GMT
#827
On May 09 2014 09:45 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2014 09:42 Holyflare wrote:
I kind of just want to rip off the band aid and lynch steveling tbh. Given him 3 or 4 days of questioning and outs to explain himself and he just called me mafia repeatedly instead of playing the game.



I gave my speech to him if it does nothing in the next time australians should post then I'm down. In the meantime what is your read on mderg and Koshi? I'm about to have dinner but I might get productive and dive some filters later if Steve is still silent.

What do you hope to achieve with a motivational speech?

If he is scum he just starts posting and you rethink everything all over again, you have to ask him direct questions about his play in the game otherwise he can just fabricate things. This also let's you slide by without putting in the effort to question him.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:38 GMT
#829
Right, why would he feel cornered if he "knew vivax's alignment all along" or "knows that we are scum"? That screams the opposite of being cornered. Being cornered and responding with i don't knows or i can't remember is town. Responding with refusals and absolutes is normally mafia.

Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:40 GMT
#830
Where the hell is everyone else....?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:46 GMT
#833
Well i think it's pretty evident by my town list :p
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:48 GMT
#834
Only qualm i have with oats was him hammering vivax while i was talking to him because i thought the same thing you did in regards to the steveling/vivax thing. It's not a super massive deal though and he explaind why and he was kinda right, vivax had like 4 days to play and didn't.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:51 GMT
#835
I've literally stayed up till 5am just so i could have a conversation with you dude because nobody else can seemingly be fucked to play and just throws your name in arbitrary scummy lists.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 03:51 GMT
#836
Kinda happy for thrawn, he got to escape. Some day I shall be freeeee!
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 04:01 GMT
#838
Yeh going to sleep :p
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 13:52 GMT
#899
Cava, what points by koshi against poofter do you like specifically? You said poofters filter is really towny so why on earth would you agree with any of koshis points? I think koshis only raised a point about poofters inactivity which isn't really a point at all anymore.

You asked why i have koshi as not town despite the rb. I don't think the way koshi is playing is towny at all. He was inactive really day 1 (long filter doesn't mean active) but still got rb'd above other people. I like to think I'm pretty good at finding blues so i checked koshis filter and there's nothing that even hints at a crumb so the rb claim is suspicious to me. Coupled with his play i think I'm happy not-towning him. He even called poofters posts null and it's frustrating he can't make a case on poofter?? Surely not being able to make a case on someone means they are likely to be town first and foremost and secondly he's not asking poofter real questions, just what did you hope to achieve etc etc only to come to the conclusion poofter is probably scummy for no reasons other than null.

Also, you've been on steveling quite some time and all he had to do was self vote to get you to believe he was town? He literally is posting videos of the gf soundtrack. Dunno how much more of a scum claim you want.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 13:54 GMT
#901
Uh huh
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 14:53 GMT
#904
"look scum can't afford to push me"
"hf is pushing me but he's still scum"


How does that make sense....?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 14:55 GMT
#906
And it also means everything you've said about me and oats bussing has been bs because you just said scum can't afford to lose a player in this setup so the first thing two scum buddies did was try and get the other scum buddy killed?

At least be consistent in your nonsense dude.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 14:56 GMT
#907
On May 09 2014 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
yo hf you wanna lynch poof instead?

He says todays lynch is boring because he already knows steve's alignment. But when hes talking about steve, he keeps switching from steve is scum, therefore something something something to, steve is town, therefore something something something.

##vote Poof


I want to kill the player posting videos of the godfather soundtrack.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 14:58 GMT
#909
On May 09 2014 23:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so much nonsense man.

Why do you think thrawn got shot instead of you?


Because i was obvious medic save?
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 15:01 GMT
#910
Point out these poofter things to me, if it's just the motivation speech thing i don't care so much. I got towny feels from when i talked to him
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 16:15 GMT
#918
Can we just get this shitty day over with and vote steve? I honestly don't give a shit about his alignment anymore i want him out of the game and i want his flip info.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 17:11 GMT
#920
Hey steve. How about this. I swear on my life I am town. Happy now?

#meta
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 17:34 GMT
#927
I'm swearing on my life that I'm town so if you are town you've wasted 5 days of our time. Not that i really think you are tbh you aren't even playing mafia, it's like you're 5 years old.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 17:49 GMT
#933
Literally just "gambled" my life and now you selectively choose when it's cheating or not? Rofl.

Koshi is voting with the guy he just voted FOR. Koshi hasn't made a real case because "it's frustrating and he can't".

If steveling doesn't get lynched here i don't even know wtf game of mafia you guys are playing.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 18:20 GMT
#939
Because i actually stayed up with poofter and he was making sense and followed my train of thought on day 1. There is not a chance in this world that I'm voting poofter over you.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 22:40 GMT
#957
Language barrier crits mderg for 999999x.
Holyflare
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May 09 2014 22:42 GMT
#958
I'm literally just going to afk this game until Steveling is lynched.

Cya.
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 00:46 GMT
#966
On May 10 2014 08:51 Cavalinho wrote:
Check my filter. I already made it clear who my lynch targets were today.

I'm leaning town on you for the moment. If we miss on Steveling though I'll probably just hiplynch you. I'm pretty sure that lynching either of you will produce at least one scum.


How can you lean town on him but want to kill him if steve is town???? That doesn't really make sense?

Also, vote steve.
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 00:50 GMT
#968
Can you guys seriously just stop these shitty associations and man up and vote steve, why are you all making statements like

"but if he's town you're scum!" before he's even flipped and when you think he is scum yourself?
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 02:04 GMT
#971
Someone be the hero the town deserves.
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:01 GMT
#988
It's shit like this that makes koshi look like mafia, it's stuff like poofter and cav saying shit like "if he's town you're mafia" that now look really weird. Poofters motivation speech of steve after i spent 4 days of trying to make him speak look so super scummy, he kept saying he'd vote steve but never did until other people started pushing for it and were already on him.

On May 10 2014 22:24 Koshi wrote:
I really have nothing else to say.
Somebody here?


I can't believe any town would ever make a statement like this. Koshi comes up with a list of names that are so unqualified, make so little sense, have no reasoning for it whatsoever that makes him so so so strange. He defended steve all day for no reason whatsoever. He then conceded to vote FOR steve only to randomly backtrack and vote WITH steve.

Cav saying that if steve flips town then poofter is scum and then randomly says "holyflare really needs to talk"??? Wtf dude I've spent everyday talking trying to push people in a direction because nobody could be bothered to do it. Steve was a great lynch, everyone thought he was scummy YOU included, so why specifically do I have to talk? Are you implying i look scummy now, do you just want my input or what?
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:04 GMT
#990
On May 11 2014 01:01 Koshi wrote:
Holyflare will just find the next 100% scum.

Do not listen to anything he says. Just ignore his posts. Don't read them. Lynch Poofter tomorrow. If Poofter looks town (protip: he wont) lynch Holyflare. Outside those 2 make sure Oats contributes. If he says anything thats sounds almost intelligent he is probably town and to be ignored. If he is inactive and boring lynch him.

So just look at who is actually sounding intelligent. Poofter needs to be super intelligent, if he is look at Oats, if he is. Lynch Holyflare.

mderg is town or can win. I don't care about him.


Please point out where I have called anyone 100% scum, I've questioned my reads, I've looked over everything and I've pushed lynches that made sense. You AGREED with a vivax lynch, you voted steve at one point and said he coukd be scum. You've been following my train of thought but suddenly "Holyflare so scum lololol"
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:09 GMT
#991
I can't fathom how what koshi just said makes any sense?

Don't listen to holyflare, anything he says (this implies im 100% scum like he is complaining I've been doing) but then says to lynch poofter OVER me and then SAYS THERE WILL BE TIME TO LOOK AT OATS TOO because he could be scum??? He's legitimately admitting that I'm not scum here rofl.
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:12 GMT
#992
On May 09 2014 00:04 thrawn2112 wrote:
steve is where most of the frustration comes from. the rest of it is that I cant figure out koshi

Legit think this is why thrawn was shot
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:19 GMT
#995
No it just looked really weird for you to say that I needed to talk without an actual question and I'm in a pretty bad mood because of steve, waited like 1 hour after he got lynched for his flip and it didn't come so didn't sleep much and then this :p
Holyflare
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May 10 2014 16:40 GMT
#1005
Cav oats is saying you've had no interaction with him but are calling him scum which is the same thing you are scum reading (koshi?) for
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 00:30 GMT
#1017
I hope one of the scummy people has a role :p

^^^^^ best case scenario
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 00:33 GMT
#1018
Really not sure I'll be around tomorrow, super busy, hopefully i take the bullet though so not too much of a problem
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 00:34 GMT
#1019
And if i do, absolutely look at koshi in hardcore detail and then the people yesterday that were alluding to steve being town. (poofter, cav etc)
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 00:48 GMT
#1021
On May 11 2014 09:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
What fucking plan Poof. I said steve is a policy lynch which meant I gave no shits about his alignment and there was no way to accurately tell it. I voted for you, so thats also bullshit.


I think you keep forgetting there's a voting thread :ppp
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 02:04 GMT
#1022
Tomorrow you guys should all claim btw.
Holyflare
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May 11 2014 03:01 GMT
#1023
koshi´s push has too little solid reasoning behind it. I don´t like how he´s tunneling you, not even accomplishing much.

On May 11 2014 05:25 mderg wrote:
I certainly didn´t think steve would flip town...
I think it´s between poofter/oats/hf. Right now I´m not sure what to think. Poofter looks slightly more scummy to me than the others. I don´t know why he waited to vote steve until he could hammer him. This is really difficult to decide, though, I have to wait to see who gets killed. Maybe that can clear some things up.


Also get mderg to explain this discrepancy.

Going to bed, glgl
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 00:41 GMT
#1075
i actually thought i was dead lol so i didn't bother checking while i was out :D:D:D:D
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 00:53 GMT
#1076
anyone around?
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 00:57 GMT
#1077
So new questions. Lets say a cop had a green check on me who is the scum team then?

Now its not fair of me to ask and not answer so If I found out a cop had a green check on you my best guess would be something like HF/mderg or HF/Cav but I feel like if you're green HF almost has to be scum. HF/Cav need to talk for more info in this area but thats where I'm at. (just because I know that I'll get misquoted and people won't feel like I'm being theoretical I think the scum team is likely to be Koshi/Cav or Koshi/HF I won't say now which one I think is more likely but it has a lot to do with Cav/Hf talking/claiming)


Why do you think I'm town all throughout the game but suddenly when it's the last day i'm in 3/4 of your suggested scum teams? Why not Koshi/mderg or Cav/mderg?
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 01:28 GMT
#1079
Also, Koshi pre-steve flip:

[image loading]


"wah wah, all your posts are null but u scum, frustrating can't make case!!"


Koshi, post-steve flip:

[image loading]

"everything in poofters filter makes him scum, i'm not 100% but I am 100%!"
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 01:30 GMT
#1081
calm down bro, i was just wondering

i said i wouldn't be around so that's probably why i lived or a blue snipe i dunno? end game does funny stuff to nk's
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 01:34 GMT
#1083
On May 12 2014 10:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
calm down bro, i was just wondering

i said i wouldn't be around so that's probably why i lived or a blue snipe i dunno? end game does funny stuff to nk's


What role are you? I'm VT Koshi claiming VT Mderg claiming what I guess amounts to named Vt?? Idk never played with that type of role before.


that's a secret never to be told
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May 12 2014 01:36 GMT
#1084
i want certain things to happen first and foremost
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May 12 2014 01:37 GMT
#1085
some people should be afraid though :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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May 12 2014 01:41 GMT
#1087
On May 12 2014 10:39 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 10:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
calm down bro, i was just wondering

i said i wouldn't be around so that's probably why i lived or a blue snipe i dunno? end game does funny stuff to nk's


What role are you? I'm VT Koshi claiming VT Mderg claiming what I guess amounts to named Vt?? Idk never played with that type of role before.


that's a secret never to be told



??Its lylo. I can only think of 1 townie reason for not claiming but thats it.


cool story
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May 12 2014 02:23 GMT
#1088
cav where you at bro
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May 12 2014 02:25 GMT
#1091
On May 12 2014 11:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 10:41 Holyflare wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:39 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:34 Holyflare wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 12 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
calm down bro, i was just wondering

i said i wouldn't be around so that's probably why i lived or a blue snipe i dunno? end game does funny stuff to nk's


What role are you? I'm VT Koshi claiming VT Mderg claiming what I guess amounts to named Vt?? Idk never played with that type of role before.


that's a secret never to be told



??Its lylo. I can only think of 1 townie reason for not claiming but thats it.


cool story


You left out "bro"


INTENTIONALLY OR UNINTENTIONALLY?
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May 12 2014 02:33 GMT
#1093
will reveal at the end
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May 12 2014 02:37 GMT
#1095
On May 12 2014 11:36 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm here.

Holyflare who's scum?


you tell me bro
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May 12 2014 02:46 GMT
#1097
On May 12 2014 11:44 Cavalinho wrote:
Normally, when I have no idea what the fuck is going on, I pick the best player and I lynch them.

So I'm gonna yolo it and say you and Koshi are both scum.


haha, gonna claim your role?

would be appreciated
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May 12 2014 02:56 GMT
#1101
There "can" be more than one.
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May 12 2014 03:01 GMT
#1103
not that I know of but i think it's hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhlllllyyyyyyy unlikely you are both named vt's

which one of you is lying?
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May 12 2014 03:04 GMT
#1105
On May 12 2014 12:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 12:01 Holyflare wrote:
not that I know of but i think it's hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiighhhhlllllyyyyyyy unlikely you are both named vt's

which one of you is lying?


HF you need to claim too bro.


TAKE A GUESS WHY I THINK ONE OF THEM ISNT REAL
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May 12 2014 03:06 GMT
#1107
i iz blue bro how much more clear do i have to make it?
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May 12 2014 03:22 GMT
#1110
On May 12 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 12:06 Holyflare wrote:
i iz blue bro how much more clear do i have to make it?



Which blue? and yeah I figured you were hinting when you said that thing about "needing to hear from Cav"


doc, blue crumb is in my profile ^^^^^, only other time i've ever put a game and my role in my profile is titanic where I was town (call it a towny seal or w/e).

N1 I saved Cavalinho, I followed my initial list of reads that I made on who to save here, I also went on a little blue/role hunt for the feelz:

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On May 07 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote:
Where you guys should be at:


1) thrawn2112 - was originally green, regreen if notes good
2) holyflare
3) Cavalinho - get the feeeelz, l-2 post so town, picking up on all scummy stuff vivax is doing. Post more bro!
4) mderg - clueless but aggro in all the right ways, could be wrong because low game sample size
5) Koshi - meh koshi (catastrophe koshi or just a castatrophe?)
6) Tehpoofter - meh
7) Oatsmaster - really hesitant about oats but higher than meh /salty
8) Steveling - want to green but is sososo wrong on everything and didn't want to prove someone as towny?? Keep eye on
9) Vivax - pretty scummy, returns to thread to criticise and spread shit then afks again

Non-green people better step up



N2 I saved mderg for similar reasons (low post count, etc etc (newbie blue/scum tells).

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On May 09 2014 09:55 Holyflare wrote:
2) holyflare - me, should be fooking obvious

3) Cavalinho - early town read, the more afk the less town read i/you should be giving him. Complains he never gets to day 2 as town, reaches day 2, much afk (careful town read)
4) mderg - my little fwend

5) Koshi - not asking questions to universal scum read, says vivax wasn't playing properly, took vivax's reads over his own meta of me, odd steve defenses

6) Tehpoofter - not enough activity until now, thoughts aligned about steveling/vivax at end of day 1 but giving steveling more outs and town motivation speeches are weird if he has been paying attention, keep eye on but higher than other greys.

7) Oatsmaster - investigator oats is on the case! Looks interested in finding out inconsistencies, early game was a twat but flip of read after reading my filter shows incentive to town read people, hasn't seemed too knowledgeable or pushy like is as scum

8) Steveling - self explanatory (read his last 2 or 3 filter pages lol)



last time i said "someone is my fwend" was when I was medic in titanic 2 and used it to show who i was saving
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May 12 2014 03:34 GMT
#1111
I'm going to make a play. Ready your anus, soon™
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May 12 2014 03:45 GMT
#1113
On May 12 2014 12:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
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On May 12 2014 12:34 Holyflare wrote:
I'm going to make a play. Ready your anus, soon™


So its "Dr. Holyflare" So you know what this means right? If you're doctor there is at least one between Koshi/Cav lying about being RBd. Because I'm town you=blue leaving 3 possible. Mafia can't RB themselves right? so one of Cav/Koshi HAS to be lying about being RBd. hmmm this game is very very interesting. I'd like to see what Cav has to say he got quite when he heard there were two claims.


I'm prepared anus wise.


mafia can rb themselves
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May 12 2014 03:49 GMT
#1115
probably
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 03:50 GMT
#1117
but my play doesn't involve all of this! All townies can rage at me in post game if the play goes wrong but it's coming™
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May 12 2014 03:51 GMT
#1118
cav
cav
cav
cav
cav
cav


i summon you
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May 12 2014 03:53 GMT
#1120
<3
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 03:53 GMT
#1121
tells me who's checking my meta bro
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May 12 2014 04:00 GMT
#1122
cav, embrace my play, it is coming!™
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May 12 2014 04:07 GMT
#1123
CAV COME BACK, SAY SOMETHING, SOOTHE ME, I NEED TO BE SURE
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May 12 2014 04:08 GMT
#1125
GOD DAMN IT MAN THAT WAS PERFECT
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 04:08 GMT
#1126
THE PLAY™

IT'S COMING
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May 12 2014 04:10 GMT
#1127
flame me end game if this goes wrong






































##vote mderg
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May 12 2014 04:13 GMT
#1130
On May 12 2014 13:12 Cavalinho wrote:
So let me get this straight.

Your entire big play was...Voting for someone.


yup :D:D:D
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May 12 2014 04:14 GMT
#1131
it's a big play when one wrong vote could end the game man
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May 12 2014 04:15 GMT
#1132
this is intense
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May 12 2014 04:31 GMT
#1134
low filter, just pointing at things but then not following that train of thought (the last post of mine before night ended etc), after all game his read is just "gut feeling", mainly because I think you are towny and have been since your l-2 post and there is no way the setup has 3 town roles because bh's 13 player setup has 2-3 town roles and that is way more people

i believe your rb and they didn't count on me being blue so fucked up in confirming townies
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May 12 2014 04:34 GMT
#1135
he also had holy/poofter (holy/oats/poof after steve flip) as scum or someone buddying but 2/3 of those reads were pushing steve who he voted for

On May 09 2014 06:26 Holyflare wrote:
Mderg you think Steveling is mafia, pretty obvious at that. So then you also think that me and poofter could also contain scum because of buddying. That therefore means we are super hardcore bussing scum buddy Steveling then?

Is that what you're suggesting? Or are you presenting an alternate theory or what?
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May 12 2014 04:37 GMT
#1136
and reads align properly, i've been playing super towny this game and people who I think are towny are following that line of thought

poofter: had me as town
cav: had me as town
mderg: had me/poof as scum
koshi: me/poof as scum


mderg/koshi team makes le sense
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May 12 2014 04:40 GMT
#1137
so we kill mderg because he is in the pool of roles that has to contain mafia and we have a degree of certainty on, we get the mafia and talk talk talk through poofter and koshi (or hedge your bets and lynch koshi for lulz)
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May 12 2014 04:48 GMT
#1138
you can talk it through all you want though, my vote is sticking so it's gg if he's not mafia
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May 12 2014 05:01 GMT
#1141
On May 12 2014 14:00 Cavalinho wrote:
I would (almost) understand if mderg claimed medic or cop or something, but he claimed a powerless blue role. Why did he hide all game?

And my only issue with not voting with HF right away is that Vivax and Steveling were both town. =/


don't know what else i can tell you other than everything I already have, I pushed the people I thought were scum :O
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May 12 2014 05:01 GMT
#1142
read my filter if it makes you feel better?
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May 12 2014 05:11 GMT
#1144
well here is bh's other game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv

13 ppl, not too many roles
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May 12 2014 05:32 GMT
#1146
reinforcing my point earlier about the role numbers so if you're town mderg is pretty much confirmed mafia to you
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May 12 2014 06:09 GMT
#1148
not my pov it's balance:O
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 06:25 GMT
#1150
uhhh 9 player game usually has 2 town roles 1 mafia or even less
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 07:24 GMT
#1155
I KNO RITE
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 07:58 GMT
#1157
all you have to do is look at 15 pages vs 2 and scum hunting vs statements? :O
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May 12 2014 08:08 GMT
#1160
tis cool, i'm out for most of the day anyway so talk amongst yourselves.

All you should know is that mderg isn't getting hammered so he's mafia

plan completed!
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May 12 2014 08:28 GMT
#1163
so you're saying you're a mislynch that hasn't been capitalised on? :O
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May 12 2014 08:28 GMT
#1164
PoE mderg, i've been through it already
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May 12 2014 08:33 GMT
#1166
On May 12 2014 17:31 mderg wrote:
you´re 100% wrong.
At least one of you and koshi is scum, possibly both of you.


Are you refuting my medic claim?? It's pretty well substantiated.
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May 12 2014 08:35 GMT
#1168
There's also the fact that I checked the timestamps of koshis posts and he's usually awake and posting long before this time. The fact that he isn't is pretty indicative of a mafia hiding from the right lynch.
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May 12 2014 08:36 GMT
#1169
Would you like to explain why it's not real then? I would love to instantly disprove you.
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May 12 2014 08:42 GMT
#1171
Yes self meta that I've only used once. As medic??
So there´s absolutely no way you could ever lie about that or have planned to claim medic later on.


So you're saying. I witheld my role. Got all excited when you claimed a role and then wanted cava to claim his role just in case of shenanigans... Am i psychic or what??
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May 12 2014 08:43 GMT
#1172
Many shenanigans were had. Psychic ability is not one of them.
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May 12 2014 08:46 GMT
#1174
There's good mafia play and then there's just someone being truthful. You're not even telling me to spam unvote you!!!
Holyflare
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May 12 2014 08:49 GMT
#1176
Like here's the situation. There's 3 claimed roles and one person has his vote on you. The one who has a perfect reason to be doc, has been towny all game, is either crazy psychic or...? You should be auto yelling at me to immediately remove my vote!
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May 12 2014 08:50 GMT
#1177
On May 12 2014 17:48 mderg wrote:
why would i tell you to unvote me? Saying that you´re wrong should imply that already.


Because this is endgame and one misplaced vote is game over??????????????
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May 12 2014 08:54 GMT
#1180
No, it's something I've ONLY used as medic. I was excited when you claimed a role because that made you town and I thought the game would be like 100% over but i had to make sure. The real OBVIOUS OBVIOUS reason is that there is a rber!!! Why would there be a roleblocker with nobody to roleblock.
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May 12 2014 08:57 GMT
#1182
On May 12 2014 17:53 mderg wrote:
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On May 12 2014 17:50 Holyflare wrote:
On May 12 2014 17:48 mderg wrote:
why would i tell you to unvote me? Saying that you´re wrong should imply that already.


Because this is endgame and one misplaced vote is game over??????????????

I´d rather reason out of this than just hope you unvote me just because I tell you to.


If you were town. You have a medics vote on you, THATS INSTANT LOSE IF YOU ARE TOWN.

I would yell and scream and tell me everything under the sun to get the vote off me in case scum were afk!
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May 12 2014 08:57 GMT
#1183
On May 12 2014 17:57 mderg wrote:
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On May 12 2014 17:54 Holyflare wrote:
No, it's something I've ONLY used as medic. I was excited when you claimed a role because that made you town and I thought the game would be like 100% over but i had to make sure. The real OBVIOUS OBVIOUS reason is that there is a rber!!! Why would there be a roleblocker with nobody to roleblock.

That´s exactly what I´m getting at. You´ve only used that as medic, so scum hf could use it to give a medic claim credibility later on.


So in your world the roleblocker blocks....?
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May 12 2014 09:03 GMT
#1185
Because that's a NORMAL towny reaction to have when you've invested so much time into the game trying to solve it!
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May 12 2014 09:07 GMT
#1188
I don't think that makes.... Any sense? Not to mention my role has been in my profile a loooonnggggg time. Hence the psychic part, which i am not.
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May 12 2014 09:12 GMT
#1189
On May 12 2014 18:06 mderg wrote:
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On May 12 2014 18:03 Holyflare wrote:
Because that's a NORMAL towny reaction to have when you've invested so much time into the game trying to solve it!

I don´t fucking get your logic!


A normal person who has invested like 2 weeks of their time questioning people, making reads, expending energy to solve the game becomes generally very emotionally invested. So when 2 weeks of effort could be ended in 2 seconds by a rogue vote that would spark rage, anger desperation to do everything possible to get that vote off before the game is auto loss, wasting all that effort.

You aren't doing that at all. Your first reaction is to not believe a medic claim that was backed up by crumbs, that was evident by thread behaviour and was used in a way to solve the game and makes sense with a rber.

Your reaction isn't towny!
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May 12 2014 19:53 GMT
#1240
The best way to play medic in a small mini is to be the towniest so that you'll LOOK like you're getting medic saved. They also want to blue hunt because claims end game fuck up the scum, as seen here, and so cant necessarily kill the towny guy over blue snipes.
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May 12 2014 19:55 GMT
#1242
On May 13 2014 04:36 Cavalinho wrote:
@Mderg, who is scum and why?

And I also noticed that mderg swore on his life. Are we gonna put any stock in that?


No, he told me IN THIS GAME that when I said it that it meant nothing whatsoever and he said he hated that post and now he tried to say it IN HIS FAVOUR.
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May 12 2014 20:44 GMT
#1248
Exactly..............?
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May 12 2014 21:17 GMT
#1250
So here's the breakdown:

Cavalinho + Mderg scum team: Cav had town cred, mderg claimed role, no need for cav to claim a role as mafia team because they would assume there would be blues.

Poofter + Mderg scum team: Possible I admit, mderg not hammered on poofter return which indicates that they are scum together or poofter being hesitant as town.

Koshi + Mderg scum team: Equally possible, moreso I'd say, busses mderg for the credit tomorrow when I inevitably die. Thought koshi was scummy all game.

Every possible scenario hinges on mderg. This is a great lynch.
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May 12 2014 21:22 GMT
#1252
well don't waste your time what i wrote is pretty simple! i don't think you're the mafia but mderg is absolutely the lynch if you are town because he fits in every mafia team there is. If you're mafia.... carry on drawing out the game :D

bh hosts a lot and foolishness normally checks it afaik, i don't think they would make the game unbalanced. If it is this game is actually redundant and yes many strong words will be said by me in post game
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May 12 2014 21:25 GMT
#1255
On May 13 2014 06:23 Tehpoofter wrote:
Well you're the one who knows if it is or not HF.... Like if you're really medic the game is fine.


true dat, i was thinking of a world where you and koshi were scum but then i realised after i typed it the game would already be over :D
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May 12 2014 21:27 GMT
#1256
spent the entire fricking day second guessing myself and now you've just proved that plans™ work :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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May 12 2014 21:31 GMT
#1259
the best thing to do in lylo is ignore EVERYTHING that happens in lylo and just look at the game itself
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May 12 2014 21:34 GMT
#1262
On May 13 2014 06:32 Tehpoofter wrote:
HF how likely is Cav/Mderg to you?


almost 0
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May 12 2014 21:35 GMT
#1265
On May 13 2014 06:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
So who do you think it is between me and Koshi?


koshi
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May 12 2014 21:35 GMT
#1266
i made my case on him here:

On May 12 2014 10:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also, Koshi pre-steve flip:

[image loading]


"wah wah, all your posts are null but u scum, frustrating can't make case!!"


Koshi, post-steve flip:

[image loading]

"everything in poofters filter makes him scum, i'm not 100% but I am 100%!"

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May 12 2014 21:37 GMT
#1270
On May 13 2014 06:36 Cavalinho wrote:
I'm really curious about what the graveyard/obs has to say about this game.

And also I'm really curious why mderg is saying TP isn't conf town with me. Like nothing he said has made sense. I'm probably going to hammer him.


he only just did now and he still hasn't put a vote down on me or koshi who in his eyes as town would be confirmed mafia
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May 12 2014 21:41 GMT
#1280
look, imbalanced games just don't happen on this site because they go through filters of higher ups before they get posted, it's impossible unless the game is themed (which this isn't)
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May 12 2014 21:42 GMT
#1284
On May 13 2014 06:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
Fuck you HF Fuck you Koshi and Fuck you most of all BH I'm voting mderg if we lose here this game is null and void and I hate it and I'm bitching like a little girl.


##Vote: Mderg


a wise decision, now you lynch koshi tomorrow and gg
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May 12 2014 21:43 GMT
#1288
just breaaatthhheeee, you made the right decision
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May 12 2014 21:43 GMT
#1290
I guess we aren't supposed to be posting because of the hammer though
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May 12 2014 21:45 GMT
#1294
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May 12 2014 21:55 GMT
#1300
dafuk maaaaaan??? you were cop and didn't say it?
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May 12 2014 21:58 GMT
#1304
you should have immediately flat out claimed cop and i never would have said i was blue, ever
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May 12 2014 22:04 GMT
#1311
On May 13 2014 07:04 Tehpoofter wrote:
I actually had a post all typed up where I was going to ask HF if he wanted to go on Koshi after he said that he thoguht mafia was him and mderg to ease my paranoia. I just saw that Cav posted he was voting and I like taking responsibility for hammers eitehr way. So my bad mderg its on me despite the claims I was getting there.

IF it had been a full day might have been differnet.

GG all thanks for hosting BH. WP mafia the RB on Cav wins the game and the claims.


i would have lynched koshi and then nk'd nobody
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May 12 2014 22:05 GMT
#1312
steveling lost you the game though
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May 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#1318
On May 13 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:
thanks to my cohosts!

sorry HF for rolling you scum again. I really considered rerolling the setup when you rolled scum, but I don't want people assuming other people are not scum just because they've been scum a lot so the host will cut them a break.


it's cool :D
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May 12 2014 22:10 GMT
#1319
On May 13 2014 07:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Jesus tittyfucking christ
HF how do you roll scum every game?
AND WIN


i don't even know T_T
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May 12 2014 22:12 GMT
#1320
ty for hosting and ty co-hosts
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May 12 2014 22:16 GMT
#1323
On May 13 2014 07:14 mderg wrote:
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On May 13 2014 06:41 Holyflare wrote:
look, imbalanced games just don't happen on this site because they go through filters of higher ups before they get posted, it's impossible unless the game is themed (which this isn't)

I think after this post it should have been obvious. Maybe I just think that because I knew who was scum, though


but it's true?
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May 12 2014 22:17 GMT
#1325
i'll be annoyed if i'm scum too lol :D:D:D:D:D roll on yuma mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 12 2014 23:01 GMT
#1357
no deadlines is so rough, should put some kinda 3 day limit or something on it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-12 23:45:11
May 12 2014 23:44 GMT
#1362
On May 13 2014 08:31 Steveling wrote:
I had HF down ez, koshi only at the start, the slimy bastard buddie'd me halfway and I stopped considering him.


you literally made the game 1000000000x harder for town playing the way you did, don't do that again
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 13 2014 00:09 GMT
#1367
On May 13 2014 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:
One additional thing I'd like to add is that you should never trust crumbs that aren't in-thread. Anything pointing out-of-thread is completely editable. I could arbitrarily edit my profile after the fact to have the current crumbs, or update my signature, or whatever. I also consider it in poor taste to use out-of-thread things to communicate with the thread and anyone who does this in the future can expect to get chewed out in the endgame. Consider, for example, a link to an image on a website that you post as an embedded image on TL then you change the image on the website; this is pretty close to "editing" and is imo not coolio.

I haven't explicitly banned this sort of thing in my OP, but going forward I will be adding the following rules:

Editing your posts is not allowed. This includes indirect editing like linking an image, then editing the image. Editing your profile or signature are allowed, but if you try weird tricky things I'll get mad at you and do stuff.


makes sense, i did just add it at the end anyway
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 13 2014 00:10 GMT
#1368
On May 13 2014 09:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
I fucking caught you holyflare. Man this always happens to me. Bleh I push one scum, then change my mind and get bit in the ass.


:D
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
May 13 2014 17:04 GMT
#1375
On May 13 2014 18:32 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty town-favoured setup tbh (simply being able to claim, truthfully, twice is pretty good). Town shit the bed pretty hard at lylo. Cav, big plays are usually bad plays. #1 play = lynch mafia.

gj scummers.

edit: wtf Holy 18 page filter in 69 page game. Insane.


was half the threads posts on day 1 :D
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