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Vivax
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On May 04 2014 03:38 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax, you best roll town now, ya hear? But what if you roll mafia then | ||
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On May 05 2014 07:29 Koshi wrote: Vivax can we be best friends? Sure, unless you're mafia then I have to tunnel you and that doesn't seem friendly. | ||
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Time to wait for Oats and the other two dudes to post. | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote: At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched.I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off. I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess. So you think I'm scum but didn't want to put me at L-2 cause of trolling people? Or you didn't want to put me at L-2 cause of other reasons? | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:11 Koshi wrote: Vivax Why are you lurking? I'm waiting for Cav to reply to that cause that post looks slightly scummy to me although I have trouble saying exactly why. Not much worth of my attention besides that since a lot of it is people not posting anything of value. | ||
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On May 05 2014 19:23 Koshi wrote: So what do you make of Steve blowing up at Cav? You agree that Cav was just joking with that vote on Steve? You agree Cav was joking when he said he would lurk? I don't know how seriously I can take Steve with that cause none of what he said would make Cava scum. "said he would lurk", "doesn't lurk" isn't really something I would ever consider as a scumtell. | ||
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Why don't you tell me what you think about the reason Cava gave for not voting me? Don't you get da vibes? | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:08 Cavalinho wrote: At first glace, I figured this was setup like Mafiascum, where when someone hits majority they get lynched. I didn't want to put Vivax at L-2 because we were goofing off. I'm still not entirely sure if that's how it works, but that's my best guess. He said he didn't want to vote me to not put me at L-2. 1. It's serious, 2. It provides a serious justification for a non-serious phase, 3. The reason is totally evasive and doesn't say anything about his opinion on me. It reads like an excuse. That's why I wanna know more about this post. | ||
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This. This is incredibly towny and it's so so so so sooooooo odd that Vivax mentioned it was scummy. Why would scum be CONCERNED about someone going to L-2???? It shows that while he was having fun he was also thinking about the consequences the fun could have on the actual game. I think it's this defense that rubs me the wrong way. "Why would scum do x" as a basis of a townread is stupid. Scum would do x you don't expect them to do in order to look more townie (for example me hard defending Cav last game even though I didn't have to). Good ol' WIFOM. Overall I feel like HF is picking sides way too strongly, and looks too confident with this and his push on Oats. But I'll observe further. | ||
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It's not like I'm sure about his alignment yet, neither about Holyflare's, but the latter seems to follow a very aggressive approach to the game and that gives me neg vibes. Anyway gonna give some of my thoughts about the two now. If you're town and look at the posts I made about Cava, think for a moment how you would see them and suggest how you would react if you were in the place of Cava (who never showed a sign of wanting to vote for me). Would you instacall me scum and say i'm twisting or try to make clear it was a full joke post and that you think it's actually townie? Cause I don't call him scum, I don't say he's twisting things, I simply say that I found his post defensive, giving a reason for something that in his eyes should be trivial since it stems from a joke, a reason that at the same time allows him to not give a read on me (hence evasive). He doesn't have to agree with the same logic, but does the logic I use at the same time make me scum for using it? That pattern of thinking is missing in Cava's response as I see other people being able to at least understand my point of view, of which I don't claim that it constitutes ultimately damning evidence. Regarding HF a lot is cause of the reasons he's pushing Oats with. Oats sometimes gets misunderstood or misreads or doesn't make something incredibly clear, so pointing out inconsistencies and calling his mistakes or wrong representations lies, as in scummy lies shouldn't be applied while it could be applied to a player who doesn't make such mistakes as town often. With Oats you have to is look at his attitude. He's really passive as mafia and in your face as town as I think that is the case in this game. I know it's very subjective (I think LXI and Doctor Who 1 he was scum and I played with him) but maybe somebody else can confirm (Koshi and thrawn maybe can) but I feel confident to say he shouldn't be lynched today. | ||
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On May 06 2014 19:37 Koshi wrote: Vivax. I heard you like meta. Do you see similarities between HF in Normal ass normal game and this game? Because I don't. I simply felt it in Normall ass that he was off, but every time he posted he was able to convince me he wasn't scum. Now he is just pushing reads 24/7 and playing thread police. It's not the meta. I don't like how he blows out of proportion what Oats did when Oats blurted out on his own that he has no idea how HF opens as town (adding that his concern is the tryhard joking), and I don't like how he tries to polarize the me vs. Cavalinho situation. He basically tried to turn a post I found at least mildly suspicious into something scandalous "cause it's a joke post". I don't know about you but if you say you wanna avoid L-2 with your vote, then that sounds serious to me. If that post was ALL shits and giggles, and everything until then was shits and giggles, it wouldn't have warranted a serious reason cause nobody was at serious danger (and there was no reason to vote for me). Anyway I would like to have the matter of that post settled cause I feel it got more attention than it deserved. Wrote it with the intention of confronting Cava with it, Holyflare answered for him very aggressively. I do still think Cava has a chance of being scum, gonna verbalize my thoughts a bit later. | ||
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On May 06 2014 20:30 Koshi wrote: Yes. I know your point on HF being agressive is not based on meta. Could you answer my question? In normal ass I didn't read who my scumbuddies were until the point where I answered to OO, so basically you were observing my REAL scumreads, albeit weakly pushed (hence why I started the game strongly I think). To get to the point, HF caught my attention in normal ass (without me knowing who he was) cause he simply pushed scumreads aggressively early without displaying doubt, and without clearing people who I townread easily. The push on Oats cause he said he had no idea about HF's meta reminded me of that. | ||
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When somebody simply calls the stuff you say dumb, even when your points were nothing extremely damning, but a point from where to start scumhunting, you will feel the urge to avenge your point of view you feel had some validity (to the point of giving it more weight what it deserves cause you have to defend it against that attack), that's what I mean by polarizing me vs. Cava and blowing things out of proportion. I refused to engage on the conversation with HF more than I did cause of this reason. Arguing with him would have put me in a position where I would have been trying to give my point more weight than it actually has, also making me biased towards my read on Cava. | ||
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