You Only Shoot Once Mafia

On April 26 2014 18:11 OdinOfPergo wrote:



This is exactly what I mean.
What makes you think town Palmar would insta OMGUS and waste his 1 shot ability to retaliate vs someone this early in the day?

On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No

On April 28 2014 08:05 Alakaslam wrote:
##Shoot: Yamato77

Reason: I was out of posts and can post my reason with the shot. I can't change my vote folks and I was already looking at Yam shot. Not playing pro town much at all IMO.

On April 28 2014 12:09 Alakaslam wrote:

Oh! Thank you greatly!



... Only one hash, proves nothing -_-



No provocation?!?

Did you read my given reason for my shot?!?

I was in an RNG list he set up with no posts left! I was half defending all the vets on that list, a quarter getting an opportunity to say something, and a quarter self defense!

Stuff like this I say please AMA about my shot because clearly I did not make myself understood!

On April 28 2014 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: strongandbig

I've exceeded my allotted post limit. I have my reservations about a strongandbig lynch, but I think Oats is town

On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No

On April 28 2014 12:46 Foolishness wrote:

As everyone's agreed, what Caller did is not alignment indicative for him. I don't think anyone has brought up an argument about which way Caller is tending to lean that actually has some non-neutral basis to it. Anything said basically boils down to, "eh I think he's town just a feeling" or "eh I think he might be scum just a feeling". Really there's very little to be said about him (and yes this is a problem and he's going to prove his town to us or get shot).

Now Ace, what mindset would Palmar have to be in to do what he did? Obviously he was pretty open about it in his posts: he saw he was getting nuked, immediately believed it and used his ability cause why the fuck not? If you just found out you only get to play a mafia game for 24 hours you'd probably be pissed and do the same thing right?

I don't think a mafia would be in the same mindset if they found out they were about to die 24 hours into day 1. I'd expect them to be more calm about it since they have a team to support them (of course this would depend on the person in question). Furthermore, as I'm sure you are well aware, if Palmar was mafia and wanted to hurt the town he could have done way worse than what he did. Going yolo and pardoning someone who has 3 votes doesn't hurt anyone (regardless of what prphlz alignment is). What could he have done instead? Posted like he was a town and provide as much insight as possible, pardon whoever the most town-agreed person in the game is and convince all of us to mislynch Caller (assuming Caller is town of course). It probably would have worked, and as I said above I don't think there's anyone in this game right now who would be opposed to Caller dying (though he might not be the best lynch).

Maybe this is all a bit convoluted and too wifomy, but Palmar reminds me of Annul when RoL faked day-vigi shot him (who was also town). The emotional state makes more sense. I won't deny that what Palmar did was "anti-town" but I hardly think that Palmar is pushing an agenda here.

On April 30 2014 01:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
If you think I'm scum try and lynch me on ur own merits Caller. Come on bbygrl it ain't hard, ask anyone.

On April 29 2014 02:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Caller you're in my crosshairs for tomorrow. You should REALLY elaborate on why you think I'm scum - that is, unless you don't mind not being around to tell everyone about it tomorrow.

5/5 - I don't think donation is possible at night. See you cats tomorrow.

On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:

You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem.

On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi everyone!

So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro.

Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did.

Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo.

Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response:



No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more.

My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.

On May 01 2014 02:44 justanothertownie wrote:

You are sheeping geript on his Cephiro read but don't even mention how Sandroba guaranteed us that Foolishness is scum? Wut?

On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far.

I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh?

On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far.

I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh?

On May 09 2014 23:17 VisceraEyes wrote:

I don't need to, evidence of this is all over the thread. This is all you're saying all day long "Prove to me that you're town" but I don't have to because I /am/ town and there's evidence of it all over the thread. That you don't agree is irrelevant, but you're arguing that it means that I'm scum in such a way that it brooks no argument because it's based on your opinion. Nothing I say is going to change your mind because I've said everything already. There's reasoning for every single one of my suspicions in the thread. That you're arguing with austin so much about why I'm scum is what makes me so certain. I didn't even /really/ think you were scum before, just wrong. But the way you're arguing with austin about it makes it like PAINFULLY OBVIOUS that you're scum here. No one is butthurt, I'm just making observations over here.

There's reasoning for every single one of my suspicions in the thread.

On April 28 2014 13:06 strongandbig wrote:
I honestly hope town loses.

On May 12 2014 17:36 Palmar wrote:
MarvPalmar not knowing wosmarv is mafiatown means he could be mafia

On May 12 2014 22:58 VisceraEyes wrote:

Why are you allowed to say things like this but I'm not?

On May 13 2014 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
I would still kill gumshoe. If you're not interested in actually pushing gumshoe and trying to get votes on him Wave then why even mention it?

On April 27 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote:

Ok the things you asked me fully explained.

Palmar:

Palmar got nuked early in the game and reacted by playing anti-town. It seems he even wanted to play so anti town that he wanted to pardon our lynch. This alone is 100% nuke/Shoot/lynch Palmar for me. I said this quite early. On top of that he claimed scum the exact same way he did in World Heavy Champ thing by quoting the BH scumclaim "blow me town".

So I totes want to kill Palmar, but there always is this 1% chance that he was major butthurt and he is actually going to be helpful now because he realizes his major butthurtness was retarded. But I am not holding my breath. Somewhere Palmar should be shot instead of lynched maybe? I don't know, probably the wagon of justice will move to Palmar near the end of the day.


Foolishness/prplhz:

Foolishness made the JubJub Journals last game so I love Foolishness. Don't be mistaken though, I always love winning games more. So even though it may look like I am just sheeping Foolishness, I am very aware he hasn't done too much.

It has nothing to do with proplhz his alignment and how I read him. When I made my list of Koshi awesomeness I saw I already had way too many scum and I would have plprhz town reading his filter but I just put him as scum so people like JAT and geript can be outraged by the ridiculousness of my list and hammer on the fact I got prplhz as scum and I am sheeping etc etc.
I just give them scummy points in return. Also laugh at them.


SnB:
I think this guy is scum. Honest read. I explained it.


I think that's all! Bro status achieved?

On April 28 2014 00:03 Koshi wrote:
##vote: SnB
strongandbig is actually going after Foolishness "for not caring enough". Also superawesome research work on SnB part.

On April 28 2014 03:13 Koshi wrote:
Meh... ABBA bro you better be not be lying scum here.
It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case.

I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB.


I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly.

atm I like for lynch:
1) Palmar
2) SnB
3) VE
4) geript

On April 28 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote:
I stick on SnB.

gn.

On April 28 2014 10:06 Koshi wrote:
Also this post count thingie is only a guideline and not a hard rule. Read OP pls.

SnB lynch of Justice.

On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote:
geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter:

1) Oats is town
2) Alakaslam is town
3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass.
4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot.
5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot.
6) RoL useless should be shot.
7) Koshi is scum
8) SnB is scum

SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well.

So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi.

So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi.

So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro.

On May 13 2014 14:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ugh wait, Palmar was one of Ace's main lynches for like eva.

Meeeehhhh....whatever, gonna read Ace's filter and then decide. Lord knows where that will take me.

On May 16 2014 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm here, I just want to lynch someone who isn't me or JAT or marv. Is that possible? Thx.

##Unvote
##Vote: gumshoe

On May 17 2014 17:55 Palmar wrote:
ok I claim to have used our factional kp on marv last night.

any counterclaims? medic claims? otherwise marv is immortal and thus scum.

On April 28 2014 12:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Dear Ace: Why is Palmar your number one choice? Is it a thing where you're suspicious of prplhz and prplhz pardoned Palmar? Because if it is, I think that's kinda weaksauce. Where am /I/ in your lynch list because your buddy SnB wants to lynch me rul bad. Can we be friends this game? Check one: O ---- Yes O ---- No

On April 28 2014 12:46 Foolishness wrote:

As everyone's agreed, what Caller did is not alignment indicative for him. I don't think anyone has brought up an argument about which way Caller is tending to lean that actually has some non-neutral basis to it. Anything said basically boils down to, "eh I think he's town just a feeling" or "eh I think he might be scum just a feeling". Really there's very little to be said about him (and yes this is a problem and he's going to prove his town to us or get shot).

Now Ace, what mindset would Palmar have to be in to do what he did? Obviously he was pretty open about it in his posts: he saw he was getting nuked, immediately believed it and used his ability cause why the fuck not? If you just found out you only get to play a mafia game for 24 hours you'd probably be pissed and do the same thing right?

I don't think a mafia would be in the same mindset if they found out they were about to die 24 hours into day 1. I'd expect them to be more calm about it since they have a team to support them (of course this would depend on the person in question). Furthermore, as I'm sure you are well aware, if Palmar was mafia and wanted to hurt the town he could have done way worse than what he did. Going yolo and pardoning someone who has 3 votes doesn't hurt anyone (regardless of what prphlz alignment is). What could he have done instead? Posted like he was a town and provide as much insight as possible, pardon whoever the most town-agreed person in the game is and convince all of us to mislynch Caller (assuming Caller is town of course). It probably would have worked, and as I said above I don't think there's anyone in this game right now who would be opposed to Caller dying (though he might not be the best lynch).

Maybe this is all a bit convoluted and too wifomy, but Palmar reminds me of Annul when RoL faked day-vigi shot him (who was also town). The emotional state makes more sense. I won't deny that what Palmar did was "anti-town" but I hardly think that Palmar is pushing an agenda here.

On May 20 2014 21:51 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like it doesn't make sense from the other perspective that's possible which is scum/scum - the situation you're arguing. Why would he appeal to me if I'm his scumbuddy? Why would he about face on a read of me at a time when he needed votes unless I'm town?

On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:


This is no joke btw.

We super lynch poof if fool is town.

On May 06 2014 20:26 Tehpoofter wrote:
@WoS I read your case on me what about my last post was super scummy? Does the fact that BH flipped traitor make your case stronger or weaker in your opinion? Also how do you feel about my Koshi shot? Why bring up that one of the early shots might have been on scum but then immediately say I'm still mafia? Does that mean that you think Yamato was scum shot by slam?

@austin Thanks for the breakdown of the QT I think this makes foolish look really townie and I really don't see a scum team going all in on a single QT. I also understand reasons for not saying the names of others in the QT. I want to say though if you have info about how/when those persons in the QT were recruited and who pushed for them I think it might be valuable to the thread especially since I think Foolish is town. Did BH give other suggestions on recruits? I saw that you said Foolish was looking at me or you.


Good to see that WoS has finally decided to play. I think its important to look at who is really putting forth effort in the thread atm and seeming excited. People like WoS and to a lesser extent Palmer have come out of the shadows and starting posting much more after 2 straight scum lynches. This reads townier for me on them because I'm excited that were kicking ass the past two days and hopefully can hit another one today. (Although looks like donkies are voting foolishness so I won't hole my breath)

Towniest Town: Tehpoofter, Ceph, Austin. Slam

Town circle: WoS JaT Foolish

Slightly Town: Palmer

Lurkers that made a big case on mafia and havent done shit else this game: Gumshoe

Slightly scummy: Va, Caller

Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, Ve

I really think we're making a mistake hitting Foolish here the QT stuff seems like good info to me from austin. I think that Foolish was the other lynch to Oats day 2 and we know his alignment. I feel like scum is probably lurking/dejected after two straight lynches Foolish doesn't seem like that in his readings.

We should be voting people like Ace who hasnt done shit all day maybe he does have real life things going on but he literally has just been pushing lynching Palmer and thats it. Like reading his short filter its no cases on Palmer just lets lynch him!!!

Prphlz wanted to kill Foolish yesterday and has been riding this train with JaT since day 2. For me I think that the scenario here is town Jat is wrong about Foolishness and Prphlz has been pushing this agenda with him while letting JaT do all the leg work. I would love to hear from you Prphlz more on who else could be scum minus Foolish?

VE: This feels exactly like Ve's game as traitor last game in Catastrophe to me. He just comes in talks about how town he is and how man hes so town like that shit does nothing for me at all. Not to mention he made this post: + Show Spoiler + Before Ceph's claim basically I think he named 3 town. He also doesn't try to push these reads really at any point during that day. Yesterday he voted on Slam and never really pushed this read at all either.

I feel like Ace, Prphlz, Ve are playing lazy games and I feel like scum is playing a lazy game.

VA gets on the list for basically claiming a role non chalantly and playing this super weird game that seems off to me. He hasn't died at night either after basically announcing hes an unknown role Why would scum not try to kill him?

Caller did that weird thing on Palmer day one and has kinda checked out I gave him town points for that but (without looking) I don't know a single one of Caller's reads off the top of my head.

1st post of day.