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VisceraEyes
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strongandbig
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I will get you killed | ||
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strongandbig
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VisceraEyes
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##Unvote ##Vote: strongandbig | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
What's the odds of both VE and Slam being town dayvig? hmm.. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I'm gonna leave my vote on foolishness and probably will have time to read/post for a bit before the day ends. I still have no clue how this fake nuke thing worked, but since palmar isnt dying I see no reason to kill caller yet. See you guys later. ##vote: foolishness | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
Anyway, bh asked me to read him as well so here it is. He accused geript of overexplaining and put an early vote down, flipped that vote a few times, and made his own overexplained case on me. Honestly, I've stopped expecting much out of bh. I know his read on me is wrong, and I really disagreed with how he justified his vote on geript. I know he won't be happy if I just say "he's been wrong in a scummy way, but his posts don't give me a strong gut impression and I don't really expect him to be right so I have a mild scum lean" so I'm gonna go ahead and say "he's 100% scum seal of approval lynch this motherfucker but lynch VE first and probably some other people too." | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 28 2014 01:49 strongandbig wrote: Yeah but it will be easier I know he's a decently strong town player who you would be shooting without giving a chance to actually explain himself; that you would be shutting down his accusation of you; that if you shoot him it makes him town unless I'm wrong about your alignment; and that if you shoot him during the day he won't flip. Those sound like good reasons that shooting him would make it easier to get you killed. Seriously explain to me how you shooting Yamato before he explains his case on you would be a townie action. Go ahead. | ||
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strongandbig
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 27 2014 18:56 prplhz wrote: Who would you lynch over strongandbig? (and why) ##Unvote unvote Palmar. When he asked for Caller to be shot and I said that wouldn't be a good idea because he won't flip he said he didn't care. Pardoning you when you weren't in danger of even dying was also useless. If you're doing anti-town things, and acknowledge it before you do it, and threaten to screw the Town over - you're scum. More to come later. On April 28 2014 00:38 yamato77 wrote: Not thrilled with an snb lynch, try again town. good. There's hope for you yet. ##vote Palmar | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On April 28 2014 02:07 strongandbig wrote: Just to talk for a second about bh's case - it's stupid and lazy. He also uses way too many words to say I'm not being committal enough / am giving myself room to back out. This is the TL meta at work, no room for nuance or honest actual thought processes. The thing is, I feel like it's such a trope that I'm not even mad - like, the case is stupid but less stupid than koshi's cases. I said exactly what I thought in the post bh doesn't like, I guess I should've made up more machismo. Anyway, bh asked me to read him as well so here it is. He accused geript of overexplaining and put an early vote down, flipped that vote a few times, and made his own overexplained case on me. Honestly, I've stopped expecting much out of bh. I know his read on me is wrong, and I really disagreed with how he justified his vote on geript. I know he won't be happy if I just say "he's been wrong in a scummy way, but his posts don't give me a strong gut impression and I don't really expect him to be right so I have a mild scum lean" so I'm gonna go ahead and say "he's 100% scum seal of approval lynch this motherfucker but lynch VE first and probably some other people too." I'm not saying you can't be nuanced, though thanks for strawmanning the shit out of my statements. You can say that it's like "TL Meta" or whatever, but first, 1) TL Meta is objectively the best-- we are literally better htan other mafia sites 2) even if I use too many words or it's a trope or whatever, or you lack machismo, that still doesn't change the fact that your case still literally gave you the ability to back out and didn't include a vote. What you've said doesn't contradict what I've said, you've just made some words and put them on a page and made it LOOK like it does, but really you're just shitting the bed. I also would like to note saying "I have a weak read on BH but will pretend to have a strong read on him" is literally the same as saying "I have a weak read on BH" except with added snark. We should call you snarkandbig. You think my vote on geript was shit? Look at it this way, I'm here driving the town discussion and making things happen, and you're here not taking stances and being scum. Complain all you want about "expecting things out of BH" or "TL Meta" but all your whining is going to be extra funny when you flip scum kek On April 28 2014 02:05 sandroba wrote: wtf is this snb shit? honestly he is one of the few people I'm actually leaning town so far and somehow he is the one being wagoned? I'm gonna leave my vote on foolishness and probably will have time to read/post for a bit before the day ends. I still have no clue how this fake nuke thing worked, but since palmar isnt dying I see no reason to kill caller yet. See you guys later. ##vote: foolishness Foolishness almost certainly is not scum. His posts have real intention behind them and he's looking into people's meta to try to figure out whether their plays this game (and there have been many odd plays this game) align with their scum play or town play. That level of interest in actually determining people's alignment tells me Fool is town. Not a good lynch today imo. Not really sure why you're voting him. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
On April 28 2014 01:38 strongandbig wrote: So koshi's reason why I'm scum is that I have strange reads. Lets talk about this in detail. First paragraph: I had a gut "this is scummy" reaction when I saw ve's post. I didn't have it on rereading but the thing you're quoting is from my initial read through post. Anyway you're committing a fallacy here. When a player makes a post about another player, what that post says about the poster and what it says about the subject of the post are two independent questions. First, because pre flip connection theories are inherently unreliable; and second, because even if the poster is scum, his post can still be attacking either another townie or a scumbuddy, and judging the post based on the perceived alignment of the poster is therefore an exercise in wifom. What I'm saying is, even though caller did throw a nuke and looked like scum, I try to judge whether I agree with his reactions and reasoning about other players separately from whether I think those reactions and reasoning make him scum. Sometimes those conclusions feed into each other, like if someone's reasoning is bad and I can find a scum motivation for that bad reasoning. So yes, I do "quote a post of Caller saying you totally agree with him about his VE read without taking into account this guy just dropped a nuke." Now, point (1). You're twisting my words here. I didn't say I couldn't see why palmar might think caller is scum. Palmar had not posted a single thing at that point either accusing caller of being scum, or explaining why he thought caller was scum. I thought and still think it was more likely that palmar had simply raged out at caller and wanted him dead regardless of caller's alignment. Plus, the merchant stuff wasn't useless filler; it was evidence that palmar is the kind of player who will rage out and play counterproductively if he gets pissed off, because that's what his play looked like to me in the later parts of catastrophe. Point (2) - do you honestly disagree? At this point, Palmar thought like everyone else did that the nuke would land at deadline. Saving the pardoner power until deadline rather than soft-claiming it seems like much stronger scum play to me. First explain why this is incorrect or non-townie logic from me, then call me scum for it. Point (3) - my entire read of palmar at this point was based on the fact that he was pissed off at caller for nuking him. That's like the whole reasoning I explained in the paragraph that you labelled (1). How is that me knowing palmar is scum? Like, how does this show me having extra information at all? Also, you're not reading what I wrote again. What I said was that if caller is scum and palmar is town, then caller would likely be bulletproof or something, because palmar is likely to attack back. As scum, I do think a town palmar makes sense as a target for a nuke. It's getting rid of a strong town player, plus palmar is likely to rage and create chaos. The problem is, palmar is also the kind of target I would expect from a troll caller, for the same reason. Anyway - none of the points in this case actually make sense. They don't connect to what I said at all. Koshi is building a case for me being scum but it doesn't engage with what I actually said, it just works it into a fake narrative that I'm scum. Am I scum? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 27 2014 14:15 Blazinghand wrote: IHOP sells wafflesGet real, I haven't seen this much waffle since my last trip to IHOP and they don't even DO waffles. Check it. Out of people who have posted, Oats is my least favorite poster so far. Filter. First posts - Caller isn't mafia because this is a scummy way to use a nuke and scumCaller would do something that looked a little townier with it + geript is mafia for pushing a lynch on Caller at this point and masking it as policy. On April 27 2014 00:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Blindly trusting Palmar = meh. The bolded is my least favorite SENTENCE in the game so far. Two things about it. One is that while you can read it as "Palmar is now talking about screwing town over, therefore he's anti-town, and scumCaller wouldn't have nuked anti-town Palmar", it ALSO smells like this weird bootstrapped argument, because Palmar hadn't done anything anti-town at the point of the nuke, and so using Palmar's later behavior to partially justify Caller being town/Caller nuking Palmar feels smelly smelly. Does anyone else read that sentence as a weird justification for Caller's actions (nuking anti-town Palmar) rather than a comment on Caller's alignment given how Palmar's later play goes? Anyway, also keep that comment in mind for second reason it's relevant.Well Palmar says he doesnt have a gun though. What caller is doing if hes scum is totally outing himself, wasting his nuke on someone he has no idea is gonna play or not and essentially trading himself 1 for 1 especially with so much kp in the game someone is gonna shoot him. So fucking stupid it cant be scum. That is a legit heuristic. I could see scumCaller doing this day 2/3 but not now man come on. Also Palmar is not acting in a town-like fashion so yeah, evidence suggests that Caller is town and we dont kill townies. Get your votes off him and onto geript/Ace/All the promoters of Caller scum. I prefer geript though, Ace could be this boneheaded as town. On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Geript was mafia because he was masking a shitty lynch as "policy." Now he's not mafia because he dropped his "policy" lynch, which he would have continued with as mafia.man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. Oats has no reason to think geript is town for this. If someone pushes a lynch you think is shitty and tries to mask it as policy, you're saying THEY ARE MAFIA for doing that. Town doesn't try to get mislynches ever, not by hiding behind "policy", not by hiding behind other words, town doesn't ever push mislynches, they push people they think are mafia. Oats is saying Geript was basically making up reasons to push Caller --> was pushing mislynches --> should be mafia, the end. His giving up that push doesn't make him "not scum," he simply stopped pushing Caller, but the push itself was there and appears to be scum-minded from Oats and just stopping it SHOULD NOT swap Oat's read. (That point is not expressed as well as it should be, but you should get the gist). ALSO --> at this point Caller's nuke was modconfirmed dud. ~12 hours before this. Oats pops into the thread to say he doesn't think geript is mafia anymore (which I don't like), vote SnB, and says NOTHING about the nuke/caller/Palmar. Remember that Geript was claiming earlier that Palmar was playing anti-town, and this was one reason Caller was townie (Caller was town for shooting Palmar, who later played anti-town, meaning Palmar was not town-aligned, and Caller has to be town for shooting someone not town-aligned). For someone who thinks Palmar isn't town-aligned, WHY IS HE NOT VOTING PALMAR OR MENTIONING PALMAR?! This is, imo, the biggest thing. Oats says Palmar was playing anti-town, is SO SURE Palmar is anti-town that part of why Caller is town is that his nuke is going on someone anti-town, but he doesn't vote Palmar, he doesn't talk about Palmar's pardon, he doesn't talk about Caller's nuke being fake and on Palmar, he just does what I feel to be a poopy 180 on Geript, then votes SnB without really any significant comment, without showing interest in a dude he thought was anti-town or any followup to the fake nuke. (You guys should vote oats too!) ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I don't like his defenses as much, but they're very prickly. The only time I can remember being scum with SnB, he was muy lurky, and not big on responding to things/trying to save self, he mostly just let himself go (It was chrono, it was MUCH later in game, it's not a 1:1 comparison). Even though it isn't 1:1, SnB responding to pressure by saying Koshi manufactured a case on him, taking time to address it, essentially calling Koshi scummy (town doesn't manufacture things, they can be WRONG or believe things incorrectly, but they don't manufacture), and then calling BH scummy, while addressing both their cases and still calling VE scummy as well....that's not what I'd expect from scum SnB. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case. I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB. I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly. atm I like for lynch: 1) Palmar 2) SnB 3) VE 4) geript | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 28 2014 03:13 Koshi wrote: Next time you make a post, either just to answer or for other reasons, I'd like to see your thoughts on oats/what I wrote about oats.Meh... ABBA bro you better be not be lying scum here. It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case. I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB. I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly. atm I like for lynch: 1) Palmar 2) SnB 3) VE 4) geript Vets are wrong plenty of times, and tend to die early if town. Better to have your own thoughts than just sheep mindlessly, and if you think vets is so schmexy, better than non-vets are being super townie and maybe have to get shot before quiet vets. If nothing else, that last bit is entirely true, and the more you value vet contributions, the more you should want to be contributing as a non-vet, in order to keep others alive and kickin' | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 28 2014 02:40 Blazinghand wrote: Foolishness almost certainly is not scum. His posts have real intention behind them and he's looking into people's meta to try to figure out whether their plays this game (and there have been many odd plays this game) align with their scum play or town play. That level of interest in actually determining people's alignment tells me Fool is town. Not a good lynch today imo. Not really sure why you're voting him. Like...has anyone looked at Foolishness' filter? Can anyone say with a straight face that BH could have gotten any of this stuff from Foolishness' filter? | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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