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On April 02 2014 05:42 getmoript wrote: \I'm a super readable player as either alignment. If you can't read me, then you have a second chance to get it right in Cav. Third, it's not just a vote for mayor, it's a vote for who is town. If you're town, you should 100% want someone who will 100% explain their choices of who they want to lynch in each group AND explain why they ordered the groups the way they did. Me and Cav will decide our own order as mayor. Maybe it will be the same as towns (if we like their order), maybe not. I don't know yet as we haven't talked about hammering out the order yet. But he and I 100% will explain who we want to lynch in each group and why we chose the orders the way we did. And if you don't like how we do it, then you can hold us responsible for our order. ~g Town and scum are expected to do this regardless, someone goes dictator mode at their own peril. If someone wants to look obviously scummy as mayor when they are 33 percent scum they are doing town a favour, the order doesn't really matter seeing as the votes are still in towns hands / : | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote: Was watching champions league. Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:12 prplhz wrote: he can still contribute early game without him being up for lynch? If hes up for lynch he is put in a position where he is forced to contribute, the quality of that contribution would be telling. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:13 prplhz wrote: @gumshoe what you think of the orders proposed by me and getript? I think you suck as a person, and I veto anything you say ever, you jerk. honestly, I'm pretty fine with the order, just switch palmer with Slams group and were good. I think Geript is scary, therefore his order is also great. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Disagree, Getmoript is beyond alignment, he is niether town nor maf and should def be my deputy mayor. I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. In a way he´s forced to contribute regardless of being up for a lynch. Also I don´t think he will stay quiet just because he isn´t up for lynching immediately. I´m gonna go to sleep now btw If hes scum and is not pressured he might just chill out, hes done it before. I would 100 percent want him in group 1 or 2 / :because I personally believe putting him under the microscope at a time when he is strongest will yield dividends and I dont see why town cant give me that considering that no ones really offered a better reason for another group to go first (in my opinion) | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:23 prplhz wrote: just lol if you like geript's order then why not go with it? I never said I liked Geripts order, I'm just scarred of his manliness ) : | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post. Comments on my case on getmoript? ~rayn I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case. Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:42 Palmar wrote: I like the redundant ~rayn part of your posts. I'm okay with going in on day 1 with my group. It's by far my best day anyway. THANK YOU. Dammit why dont other people get this? | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fuck i gotta stop posting and i do it now. geript is mafia. noone is this fucking stupid as town. absolustely noone. goodnight. ~rayn HE IS GERIPT. He is capable of any degree of silliness. Why are you always so logic bound Rayn?(btw, I am going to typically omit the trite 'unless your mafia' statement at the end of posts, it goes without saying) | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? rofl ~rayn Hes Geript 0_0 and he doesnt know if theyre townies or not hes just presenting blind votes as an option cause thats what he does. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Because should not be decided right now. D2 can be set in stone. D1 can't. D1 should be the group that has 2 people that are incredible easy to read as town and are confirmed town. I think discussing a D1 lynch group should be done after 35h in this game. That is exceptionally optimistic of you Rayn to think well catch scum easy before day 1, but honestly if were playing it that way, day 1 should be someone whose alignment we need to know the most, not someone whose guaranteed scum, I mean if your so certain geript is mafia just put him in slot 3(so hes at least guaranteed to be killed before town loses) and have 1 and 2 reserved for people with large influence but questionable loyalties. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:15 Palmar wrote: Why is geript mafia? has he called anyone scumb yet? Geript is mafia because Rayn says he is, and Rayns always right right? | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:16 prplhz wrote: you know, you can make reads on d1 even if you're not up for lynch on d1. Yes, but seeing as hes strongest on day 1 why not put him in the best position possible to use those strengths? | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:16 raynpelikonoshi wrote: seriously bro? Not guaranteed scum? D1 is not some fucking egotripping lynch in which we lynch the loudest townie who thinks he fucking solved the game. Which you seem to indicate. If anything we lynch scum in the group of the best D1 player in the game and are guaranteed that he and the third are townies and giving an honest opinion. Which goes back to LYNCH FUCKING SCUM AND NOTHING ELSE. The goal for town is to win the game, those who blindly lynch those they THINK are scum rarely see the big picture and end up missing crucial points. If we had an honest guaranteed scum who wont tell us anything with his flip why kill him? Hes not going anywhere and it would be more important to use the lynch to answer questions. This is less true in other games because were not sure of all the variables, but here we know exactly how far we can push, the setup is utterly open and we need to catch relations(which are guaranteed to be there cause a third of us are scum) and encourage conversation to win, lynching "confirmed" scum does neither of these things. Honestly I'm just not convinced atm that Geript is scum / : so this whole conversation is irrelevant. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Scummy point for gumshoe. 1) For defending geript. 2) For not wanting to lynch obvious scum but suggesting it is better to lynch a townie who thinks he solved the game. 1: I'm defending Geript because your argument is weak. 2: A third of us are scum Rayn, there are going to be scummy looking townies and townie looking scum. We should lynch to solve, not to sate our own blood lust. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I am also not convinced that geript is scum & this fact has nothing to do with the conversation we are having. What a silly statement to make. Bolded is news to me. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe. rayn signs his post. I am Koshi. you are really miles away from where I am on how to solve this game. MILES away. You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:31 prplhz wrote: like, literally getript gum lsb all completely ignoring my posts Your a very forgettable poster / : sorry bud. Rephrase das question? | ||
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Fine. You are contributing in a reasonable manner atm, therefore even if you are scum I see no reason to bully you for being active. If you had done something overtly scummy and I had noticed it, I probably would have pounced. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. In a way he´s forced to contribute regardless of being up for a lynch. Also I don´t think he will stay quiet just because he isn´t up for lynching immediately. I´m gonna go to sleep now btw Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? | ||
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I've answered this question already and my answer hasn't changed. What does my answer mean to you? My reasoning is fairly self explanatory I feel so what are you looking for in my response? | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn You want the truth? | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: yes please. ~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question? ~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read. As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:38 Alakaslam wrote: Ha! I have observed! You use am iPhone don't you? Probably a 4 or 4S that you updated to iOS7... Close, it's an ipad XD | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:41 Palmar wrote: yeah I think this part of the game is dumb. I'll be checking in again in two days. Isn't this part of the game your jam? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 Palmar wrote: like I haven't really read the thread but the current suggestion seems to be putting up unreadable players early and good players late? So we just lose straight up if we mislynch the unreadable people twice and the first good player batch happens to be a good player batch with a strong mafia player? I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first. Were of course open to suggestions to change it up, the whole unreadable player thing was just a way to get discussion started. Do you have an order in mind maybe? As long as your first in it im happy  | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 Alakaslam wrote: Hmmm... That would be Does iOS7 go on the pads? Didn't know that. Anyway what is your gameplan for attacking this problem of losing two town voices every lynch? In fact is anyone considering that angle? A scum one is lost as well, so It feels like a problem that evens itself out honestly. Basically I dont think it's a factor that supersedes questionable alignment or outright scumminess(which is probally how we should considering the order, by who we need to flip the most in terms of information and results.) | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:50 Palmar wrote: Counter him. Angry rayn = mafia, smiley rayn = mafia non-smiley reasonable rayn = town easiest read of my life. Thats completely wrong, I have played not one but two extremely aggressive games with scum Rayn, why do you feel the need to tell hurtful lies palmar ) : | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll do one better. You only need to read Sentinel's filter and tell me if he is scum or town and why so i am pretty sure we won.  ~rayn Counter him. Angry rayn = mafia, smiley rayn = mafia non-smiley reasonable rayn = town easiest read of my life. Care to revaluate your read Plam? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:55 Alakaslam wrote: No It is the only reason ordering matters. Think on why. Uscumbro? I legit dont know what your talking about, also were not lynching all the strong groups first regardless so it's a non issue. Oh and ignorance doesn't make me scum. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:00 Alakaslam wrote: Well what if we vote mayor who doesn't do that? All we have to do is pick a non town mayor. And true, is why I askz Scum can choose any fuckin order they want if they think it's worth outing one of thier own, even if he puts himself on the bottom( thereby enabling a chance that he might not get lynched at all this game) I will gladly take that trade. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? ~rayn Slam is pretty obscure, I find Palmar pretty hard to read which is why I want him to step up as much as he can at the point he says hes best. Coag is a wild card and Holy is probably the best scum I know of. Thats about it for the players I know of. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn So your locking in this mderg guy for scum? Can you confirm? | ||
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Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best. I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard.. Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense. ##Vote: gumshoe just because i do not like anything he has said this game. bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me. I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn This next bit is one exchange between us. That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before. Witch gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Cell So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison. gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me. gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed. Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here, but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association. Heres another Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad. Heres another example of Rayns twister skills. gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this. So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( : Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep. As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again. "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone. Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn It all fits huh? I attacked Steveling at the start to bait you, Mderg went in to defend Steveling against me. I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. Why would my scum buddy come in to disagree with me? Wouldnt mderg bieng scum implicate Steveling, not me? And why would I press him back? Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? How does any of this fit? Do you think me and mderg are scum together? | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? rofl So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? First two cases are scum, third case is town | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:51 Tehpoofter wrote: @gumshoe So you baited rayn into reading you for lying? Is that what you're saying in one point in your case? Im saying In a past game I played, I made a fake case to bait scum, not rayn specifically, rayn hammered me in that game for it, this game I did something similar, made up a case on steveling that I didnt really believe to see if hed want to gang up on the third person in his group. He didnt say anything damming, so I backed off, but hes coming after me now for that play, the same play that he knows I do as town he got me lynched for last time. | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:50 Balla24 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote: I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute. It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing. I backed off of Rayn after the fake case cause his response was fine, but Rayn came back for me and I explained why I lied. He then started hammering me as if he knew I was scum, whereas I was never certain of his alignment, only reasonably suspicious. He has always been far more suspect of me than I of him, I was just trying to read the guy whose in my group. Instead of talking shit Balla, show me proof that I was certain of Rayn's guilt before he was certain of mine and that I was more vocal about it. | ||
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have openly attacked mderg.Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe? Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. | ||
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Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. this game i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern. | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:15 Balla24 wrote: Come on now, I'm not talking shit, I'm talking about what I'm seeing. The order of operations doesn't matter. Steveling has still done nothing, yet you are certain Rayn is mafia, and you call rayn scummy for being certain of you being mafia even though Steveling has done nothing. You display that confidence here: Like, I'm not arguing that rayn does not twist stuff like crazy to be in his favor as mafia and make stuff up out of thin air, he does that, it's true. I'm arguing that you guys going after each other hard and with confidence is not a scumtell like you are trying to make it out to be for rayn (and brushing it off when you do the same thing). I understand the rest of your case, and while it's hard to follow it might be somewhat ok but that point isn't valid. Let's move on: what do you think of some other cells, specifically Cell 2 and Cell 5 are the ones i'm most interested in. I am displaying confidence that he is mafia after this. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz My reasoning for him bieng scum is BORN from his lack of consideration of Steveling 0_0 the order of operations means fucking everything here. Also I even said I'm 90 percent sure after that huge case, I admit it's possible I'm wrong despite my high degree of certainty, whereas Rayn who hasnt put half the effort into going after me thinks I am 100 percent scum. Like, its amazing how your trying to break my whole case by going after this one bit, and you cant even do that, is it hard being scum/dumb balla? | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote: @gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0 | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:26 getmoript wrote: First off that was Cav. Second, I can understand this line of thinking (50% of active think he's scum in a 33% scum game), but it's bad logic. OTTOMH I forget who is in what group but it's quite possible that everyone who hasn't liked mderg is town. Like I really don't want HF playing past day 1 but right now I'm really uncomfortable lynching into pod 2 because Banks is a little town but the other two are complete question marks. I understand it's "shit logic" usually, but we have really never played with this high a ratio of scum to town, so I do feel it is a facor worth considering / : if pretty much half the people playing right now are scum, and half of town as a whole has attacked this guy who we know plays bad, dont you think thats pretty suspicious? | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:31 Balla24 wrote: Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play) Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him? | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:38 Tehpoofter wrote: So I liked your point on mderg he seemed to make a really weird point that led me to believe he is scum and sentinal is town if thats the case. He wasn't willing to call sentinel scum off what he said but like wanted someone else to which is scummy. As for HF he has 2 posts that cause me worry. Then right after that. So to me he insinuates palmer is town cause of something geript said who he reads at scum then his very next post he makes it seem like palmer is not town at all. Now I think the 2nd post is probably more indicative of how HF feels because I can see the 1st one being more of a sarcastic off hand remark and more about geript than Palmer. However it is odd that back to back posts from him call Palmer two different alignments. HF also read my idea about the cell reads as stupid which is what rayn and balla both did and they seem town to me so I guess he should get town points for that. For me Mderg more scummy than HF. Who are your scum reads outside of your cell? | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:46 Balla24 wrote: For now Holy is fine with me. He hasn't done much yet, but he has attempted to bring new information to the table in the form of some meta comments about mderg which is good. While i'm not that much of a fan of early cases based solely on meta behavior like yours (vs rayn (this is different since you were possibly "baiting") and vs holy) and holy's, it still shows a willingness to go fetch new information and new information is always good. So I don't really think that your comments: here about holyflare are that interesting. I'd like to see how this read develops as the thread atmosphere evolves and Holy contributes more (which is why in general i'm not a fan of early cases based solely on meta). What is your ideal evidence? What kind of case sways you? Wouldn't you agree that town are often just as likely to trip up as scum? | ||
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On April 02 2014 13:58 Tehpoofter wrote: @gumshoe I think your logic train on mderg being town because other people saying he is kinda weird. I mean looking at your list you are listed there but your quote doesn't seem to favor his alignment. The other people on the list I town read Balla, Rayn, and Geript. Geript the least so. HF is weird to me but hes my cellmate so thats kinda obvious. I disagree with your statement that this makes mderg auto town even if you use this 50% of players think this 1 guy is mafia thing so hes auto town your logic leaves out the fact that a lot of the time mafia tends to lurk and be inactive so there is more of a chance that the active players are mafia so I dislike this read and makes me think it might be you defending a teammate. I was curios why he defended steveling, I am less curios about that now that rayn is most likely my adversary. Are you people really this blind? Or am I just talking to scum? This is a unique setup where every third person you talk to is red and swaths of people have gone out of their way to attack this guy, WHO WE KNOW is capable of suppar play. As for the lurkers, they have straight up not started playing, that is fucking null and nothing else, they might be scum or town, seriusly doesn't matter and that argument of yours is awful. Point is, half the actives think mdern is scum for bieng mdern, and half the actives are scum, I'm sure there's townies on the wagon too but there are almost certainly scum who judging by the qoutes WANTED to be on him. | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote: @gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste. Earlier you expressed doubt in Geript as well, whose most likely scum in that cell? | ||
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On April 02 2014 16:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe: "The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum." -ok then gumshoe- I have considered that steve is scum at every point in this game, just because I made a play to try to read you early on doesn't mean I was 100 percent sure your scum out of the gates. In fact I backed off after your answer because it was fine. You came back after me because you were so sure my lie made me scum, even though you know I bait as town. I was just figuring out your alignment, like you should be doing instead of blindly considering me scum before Steve talks. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I have expressed fear that he might be scum throughout every point of this game, even at the time of my big post I said you were 90 percent, not 100. Also I love how your team keeps poking away at this one bit because you can't deny your playing exactly the same as witchcraft. How is this game different Rayn? How are you scum reading me here for the same play you'd town read me in any other game? How does a mderg, gumshoe scum team fit? Do you honestly think mderg is scum when half the active players called him red? Even though we know he's capable of shit play and getting jumped for it? Also have you rescinded you ez pz scum read on me? Because right now I'm fairly certain your scum, but no I'm not completely sure and have never been, because I'm town. Show me evidence instead of generically calling me a hypocrite, you will not find anything as damning as "ezpz confirmed scum" your point is mute rayn / : what bullshit do you offer next? Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. | ||
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On April 02 2014 18:45 Palmar wrote: This is the best post in the thread so far. What was your bait supposed to accomplish gumshoe? Did you catch rayn? I Please explain what your bait accomplished gumshoe. I don't see the benefit. All I see is you making a bullshit post and mderg disgreeing with it in quit a natural manner. Also if mderg is scum it says nothing about Steveling's alignment. Does every play ever work? No, it didn't and they don't. I wanted to see if he'd jump on Steve for something small, he didn't, I moved on, thats literally it. Rayn knows I do this as town, he knows I play this way, he always green reads me when were together for doing shit like this. Yet this game everything I say is scummy BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, Rayn has not liked a single thing I said because he literally can't. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn So shitty play from a shitty townie a scum makes? | ||
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Because you need to get me or Steve lynched, Steve wasn't around and you cant bank on wether or not you can make his play out to be scummy. But you pretty much know for a fact that you can frame me ( : you've done it before in the exact same manner. Thats why every time you talk about me its like a tidal wave of confirmation bias, not a tide that rises and falls with evidence. From your view, you can't afford giving me a single townie point because it does nothing but weaken your odds of winning. Even though town Rayn would just give me the lot of them this game : P | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe is also scum, that's another reason to not believe what he says. ~rayn Look at that, Rayn's absolute certainty XD. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Look at the games when mderg starts posting. There is actually two games of his: Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 5 pages (game starts at page 5 - mderg's post is on page 10). Normal Mini Mafia I (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 2 pages (game starts at page 4 - mderg first post on page 6). Then there is this game. There is content of 2 pages when mderg starts posting, a lot more when he stops. I guarantee you in this game, when mderg leaves the thread there is more content and scumreads than in both of those games. There are things to discuss (mainly getmoripts reads on me, prpl, my scumreads, etc). In both of those earlier games mderg jumps straight to important content -> starts calling people out etc when there is something to work with!!. In this game he does not, he comments on irrelevant things while there is content in thread. The point is not if the game is 24h into the game or 1000h into the game. The point is in all of these three games there is content to comment on, mderg does it in BOTH of his earlier town games, in this game he does not do it. Therefore Holyflare's meta read is not bullshit. I agree it does not make mderg 100% mafia because the sample size is small and there is no mafia sample. But the fact is mderg IS playing differently than his earlier town games. He is more passive and only comments on non-alignment indicative stuff. Also i know Holyflare does these reads as town. It does not make him mafia, it's not even scummy for him. There is no reason for Holyflare to make a bullshit meta read as scum. Even if HF is scum there is proof behind the read because he does not make shit up. He's too good for that. And i agree with HF's statements on mderg this game. He is commenting on useless stuff while there is real content to comment on. That's a fact. It's also a fact that in earlier games he did not comment on useless stuff once there was content in thread. Instead he tried to form reads and called people out. ~rayn We were all commenting on random stuff at that time pretty much because this a setup we've never played before -_- Rayn, know why your scum? Because everything people say/do just reaffirms your existing biases / : I doubt will see you change your mind once this game. | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fairly certain I am scum. Why? Explain pls. In witch, everything your scum reads said reaffirmed your biases, it's the same here. In that game, you found my fake post was scummy just like here In that game, you thought my meta worked against me just like here, In that game, everything I said convinced you that I was more scum. That, and your so certain even before steve talks. I have been in this situation before Rayn / : the similarity is uncanny. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote: You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch? Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time. As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i61.tinypic.com/qpnztt.png) ~rayn You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME. Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / : Whats scummy about any of this? | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:13 Palmar wrote: This is a completely invalid point because the same applies to townies too. Thats debatable, but even then if you agree scum feel that way it still serves to invalidate Holy's point that scum Rayn would avoid his cell, which is utterly idiotic. Am I fighting this whole thread 0_0 | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so? You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy? | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The fact that you cannot possibly believe the fucking shit that spews out of your mouth. Therefore you cannot be town. ~rayn Oh wait nm you did post XD my bad. You always town read me for ridicules shit, now that it's not convenient for you I'm obs scum right? Also explain to me what I shouldn't believe? That I find the way your pushing me familiar to a game where you played exactly the same, or that I think your scum because you were so certain of me before hearing steve out? Call it flawed f you like, but it doesn't make me scum / : | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: The fact that me calling you out for lying in a situation you should not lie as town is not scummy and you paint it out to be. ~rayn You paint everything I say is as scummy. Also, how is baiting for information scummy? Especially when I don't get anything out of it, why do it in the first play as scum if not to make up some bullshit reason your response is scummy like you constantly do to me? | ||
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On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote: I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it. Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember. Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post. Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later. I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation. Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1. Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period. You end up this post with Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already? I like your comment on mderg I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight. I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track. Lol, at least we can agree on one thing XD dat timing | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight. I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track. I know you are but what am I : P your literally doing the exact same thing as me, but worse, also I made my case and moved on to give other reads, I'm just responding to every lie you spout about me because I know you love to say shit over and over as scum till everyone thinks its true. If you wanna put this on the back burner so we can focus on other reads, I'm cool with that. It's up to you ( : | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:38 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I would seriously suggest to start reading into other cells. Because you stopped doing that to tunnel rayn. I already have ( : I'm just responding to all the crap Rayn's flung at me, he wants to call a truce I'll do that, otherwise it's blood for blood. Not letting him/scum dominate this thread as hes want to do. Curios, how do you feel about Balla? | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote: hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote: You know you are talking to Koshi and not rayn right? There is a distinct difference. Anyway, Koshi is also quite convinced you are the scum. I am currently wondering if you can make insightful posts, as that is the only thing that might make me revisit my read on you. So pls make them. Wrong, I am talking to scum, there is no difference and I find this hydra shield pretty shitty because scum hydras always take advantage of thier dynamic because it somehow always works in their favour. What do you think of Balla? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote: Why did you do this and say i'm taking the easy option but you know... Leave out all the evidence why i said what i said? You seemingly AGREE with me seeing as you quoted yourself as a person attacking mderg but suddenly out of the blue you 180 your read on him because too many people are on him. If you think mderg is scummy then to you AT LEAST 3/6 of those people in your list are town. You defend geript so you think he's town and balla looks really towny. So really, 5/6 people on mderg should be town to you. Only rayn is left and your case on him made 0 sense. So really. You're ignoring evidence from this games posting style to flip your read because a bunch of townies are on mderg. Why you throw suspicion on everyone gumshoe? I realized I was wrong on Mderg because of how much heat he was getting and his crap meta, I was honest about this and have adressed this point. Town change thier reads all the time, because thier town. As for my case, I pointed out similarities to a scum game of his were he pushed me in a similar manner 0_0. I also didnt like how certain he was I am scum before hearing steve talk. I then explained why all his actions make sense from a scum perspective. How does that make no sense? Provide proof please. I think Balla is scum btw. so there ya go. How is Balla townie? You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy. Anyways point answered, 3 scum on mdern. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:52 Holyflare wrote: You agreed with me on mderg, then flipped that read 180 for bs reasons and then quoted something from cultured which didn't apply here at all and then ignored the actual part in this game where i explain things. Want to restate your answer as holyflare - town now? What bs reasoning? He plays shitty as town, half of active town are on him, a third of active town are likely scum and some of those people are my scum reads. I 180 because I am not trying to avoid hit and get an easy survival win, I am doing it cause I'm trying to solve the game. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia. If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment? | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn Point 1: Why do you assume the trap was over? I wanted to see if youd say anything else 0_0 because your initial answer was this I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? I wasnt satisfied with that answer, it was totally inconclusive and a complete dodge. You then game me this Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post. Comments on my case on getmoript? Which was fine, didnt reveal anything important so I moved on and saw no point to causing a shit storm in thread over nothing. Of course you didnt even bother considering any of this cause scum. Point 2: What readibility? I dont feel the need to be transparent with people who are 50 percent scum, in what world is this scummy? This has nothing to do with proving my townieness, which I do through effort and finds. Point 3: I am presenting arguments that fit YOUR scum meta first off, not mine (my scum meta is inherently lazy and unmotivated the exact opposite as I've played this game. Over all your, arguments are "gumshoe lied so hes scum" and "gumshoe contradicted himself as scum" both of which are things I do as town, and you town read me for when your town. You are calling a lynch on me for playing shitty, not cause I', scim : P I on the other hand, am saying "rayn reassures his own reads when hes scum cause hes scared of looking weak" "Rayn meta fits his scum games" "Rayn is certain of my alignment when he has no right to be" all of these things are true brahs / : I can do this aaaall day Rayn ( : glhf. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote: It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro. Idle commentary on shitty town atmosphere, scums favourite flavour of conversation XD | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:11 Palmar wrote: also, policy lynch for traps, that's a good reason to lynch gumshoe. Go fuck yourself, lynch to win asshole, your just pissed because you and your posse cant beat me down 5 to 1. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikonoshi So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch? | ||
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Yes I do, have caught scum before this way. Do I think your scum? Its likely, but could be wrong. NEED to hear from sent and Coag | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote: So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch? Care to answer this? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote: No the point is that my alignment is irrelevant here. No matter what my alignment is, once I think you're mafia, rayn by extension has to be town, and you're accusing me of being cozy with rayn. But I now realize your theory has us as scumbuddies in that case so whatever. Yes but the question is WHY your cozy with Rayn, you could be shit town and happy with him, or scum. It could be either, probably the later, I said as much myself so I fail to see your point. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:18 Holyflare wrote: When is this ever true? Also. Last game you sheeped me over your own read on rayn because i knew better than you. Why not believe this game? As scum I find you put slightly less effort than as town, this is judging by cultured vs heavy and snippets of voice/video play(though I do take those with a grain of salt.) Because I know Rayn is scum 0_0 like 100 percent now that Steve's bled green. There is no reason I should sheep anyone in this game on matters regarding my cell, because I know way more than them. | ||
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Nope I mean me XD Please answer the question you shifty bastard. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: #1: It doesn't matter if the trap was over or not. You didn't tell the truth even after that until i said you were fishy. The point is you lied, there is no town motivation to lie in that situation. #2: Are you fucking braindead? As town you claim "being readable is big part of being town". In this game you claim "I don't give a fuck if i am readable or not". You are not only readable to me, you are readable to 13 other people. You answering to me does not only help me read you, it also helps 13 other people to read you. You are not this stupid. #3: No. You literally claim i can't read you scum because of X but you read me scum despite X which is still there. That has nothing to do with anyone's meta. Nothing i have said has anything to do with meta. You are the one who brings up retarded meta arguments "he did this in that game so he is also scum here herp derp". You have NEVER in this game commented on my case nor have you backed up your case or argued with me about it before this post. I have answered your case and you fucking don't even read the answer but just mindlessly hammer the same things over and over again. Anyways this conversation is over. I am not going to convince you you are mafia because obviously you will not agree. I am going to convince others so there is no point in you talking to me, talk to other people. Questiontime is over for you, now it's time for me to tell why you are scum and convince the town to lynch you. You got your chance to answer my questions, you blew it. ~rayn 1: I told the truth after you asked, there was literally no reason to go "hey guys I laid a trap, but nothing happened with it" before that, if I'm so scummy for it, why not continue to lie? Why tell a lie in the first place that makes me look like shit? I only did it for information, that is the only motivation and that motivation is purely townie, no loop hole you come up with can change that. 2: Readable to town, not readable to 50/50 scum, so go fuck yourself you brain dead asshole. 3: That whole things is what meta is, similarities between scum games 0_0 if you dont like it thats fine but you dont have to smash the whole idea of it just because your shit scum. You also never answered my case and never explained why im scum this game for shit you read me as town for in others. I have answered as many questions as I can Rayn, it's kind of hard when the entire scum team is after you but I've managed, I most certainly have answered yours and will continue to do so as long as you want me to, dick. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: hehehe? dafuq? I am rayn? I don't want to remove myself from the game. I want to secure a first lynch on scum. Currently I think HF is town because either tehpoofter/mdreg is scum (I got tehpoofter, rayn got mdreg). I think that Balla is quite obvious town. Both players are quite capable to do without us and I think thread needs more time to decide in their group than in ours. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. I don't understand what you are saying though. You think I am scum, thread thinks we are town. As scum it would be smart to use our influence and stay alive. I am sure Koshi/rayn can push more mislynches when alive then just go for this 1 misslynch on you Pretty sure. Nah, scum want the same thing as town here, certain mislynches, just like we want scum flips, and seeing as rayn is scum perhaps hes scared of prolonged exposure and whats to collect his check now. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:25 Holyflare wrote: I put more effort in as scum than i do as town. Hence, ya know.. My 9-0 winning streak I'm on right now. No, you play well as scum, you dont put more effort into scum hunting XD quite the opposite really. Also I intend to break that streak right now ( : | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: hehehe? dafuq? I am rayn? I don't want to remove myself from the game. I want to secure a first lynch on scum. Currently I think HF is town because either tehpoofter/mdreg is scum (I got tehpoofter, rayn got mdreg). I think that Balla is quite obvious town. Both players are quite capable to do without us and I think thread needs more time to decide in their group than in ours. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. I don't understand what you are saying though. You think I am scum, thread thinks we are town. As scum it would be smart to use our influence and stay alive. I am sure Koshi/rayn can push more mislynches when alive then just go for this 1 misslynch on you Pretty sure. Also, a third of the thread are scum, and they are organized, dont you think theyd command a stronger more solidified prescence than town? Why do you think that support means your right? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote: How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? 0_0 can you explain to me why this makes you town? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:36 Palmar wrote: Because it means I'm actually reading the thread, and that I care about the cases being made? Why are scum not capable of that? Especially if said scum is one of the best players on tl. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe apparently didn't but says he did and then scum reads me for coming to the same conclusion he did :D There's no way this is town gumshoe, he's saying things like he has "the whole scum team against" him and that he's caught a lot of scum despite spending 0 time on anyone other than rayn You Rayn Palmer Balla | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:38 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe apparently didn't but says he did and then scum reads me for coming to the same conclusion he did :D There's no way this is town gumshoe, he's saying things like he has "the whole scum team against" him and that he's caught a lot of scum despite spending 0 time on anyone other than rayn Also how is it no way townshoe? Have you played a scum game with me? Point it out XD | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote: If half the thread is afk maybe scum isn't so organised? Why does the scum have to be active? Maybe were all town and Artanis is the true scum? Wtf is this? I always assume scum play to the best of thier ability, this a tenent of my play going back to the first game I played on these forums, I am assuming they are a force to be reckoned with. You on the other hand are suggesting were totally winning, theyre afk, theres no reason to worry. Assuming that scum are as weak as possible to lure town into a false security XD ala scum holy. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote: Go read my last two games and see how well your theory holds up hurr durr I think you played fine that game 0_0 and totally read and responded to each of my questions. You were just caught out fast cause Marv is awesome, otherwise you were never getting lynched that day. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:44 Holyflare wrote: I fail to see how someone plays town so retardedly as to say everyone active is scum. Selects meta that doesn't make any sense in the context it's used. Says one of the most towny looking people is scum. Flips a read on someone 180 because "i think scum are on it". Why wouldn't your first thought be to reevaluate who you thought was scum but might be town instead? You are only calling people scummy apart from the person in your cell which is indicative of a scum trying to push mislynches rather than a town trying to figure out the game. 1:When did I say EVERYONE is scum, I've town read plenty of peopl. Also in the game with the highest ratio of scum weve ever played you think it's unreasonable to think scum are active? 2: LOL point out how it doesnt make sense, eat the food if you wanna take the shit. 3: Rayn plays exceptional as scum, so do you, and a third of thread is scum, no hard feat to look townie. 3: Vat? Why wouldn't your first thought be to reevaluate who you thought was scum but might be town instead? Explam | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:48 Holyflare wrote: The point is, i don't know what scum is doing. TL scum especially like to be super super lazy nowadays so in fact i do expect them to be less tryhard than you make them out to be. Why are you so sure scum is active and plays to the best of their abilities if that is almost never the case? Im glad your so lucky to get shit scum, but I've won like 3 games of mafia out of the 8 I've played, those loses were doled out by the likes of Rayn, you, Sloosh, solstice, so I dont know what your talking about. Scum on tl have the capacity to play great 0_0 or bad, I always assume the former because thats my experience with them. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:52 Holyflare wrote: You bring up culture as my only scum meta and i play scum lazily but that's because i bussed my entire team and played the entire town out against each other to lynch off the suki wagon so i could do that to act like a disinterested confirmed town. This game is nothing like that whatsoever? I have alignments to look at, people in cells that are confirmed mafia etc. How can you even compare the two? You constantly compare the two 0_0 so first off, hypocrite, second off, something like goading town into being at ease isnt some unique afix of cultured. It's a general strat that scum can assume thats super effective when they control town. Seeing as Rayn is basically scum, I pretty much know at least one of towns leaders is scum, so shit like "mdern is mafia, ez" fits scum holy to a T. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:54 Holyflare wrote: Yes 1 person on the team can play great but there are 5 people and you think 3 or 4 of the ACTIVE people are scum. That's ridiculous. Theyre are 13 active people (not really including sent yet) 4 of them (read a third) bieng active scum fits perfectly XD Thats not at all ridicules, it's cell mafia, it's what you signed up for : P | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote: Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking? About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum. I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by. The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own. That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum. I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself. I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part. Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate. You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. 2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways. 1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore 2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position. Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight. But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really. I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. Even if I'm insane that still makes Rayn scum XD | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:04 raynpelikonoshi wrote: ... based on reasoning "they think i am scum and they are active". I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit. ~rayn 0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM. Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote: Why though? Ok here's something. Your trap ends now. Right now. Policy lynch if it doesnt. Now explain in detail what you intended and what you achieved with the trap. Ok, its been over sometime. This is everything about it right here. I assume that if Rayn is scum, he is looking to get an easy kill on one of his cell mates (as opposed to legit working out which one is scum), so I make up some stuff on Steve and see if he jumps on it, Rayn didnt take the bait, instead he turned it back on me for lying to catch him, ironically this ends up proving my point because it shows that Rayn was looking to jump on one of his cellies XD it just so happened to be me. Thats literally the whole of it ) : I'm sorry I caused so much confusion. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum. stop already. rofl. ~rayn No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:21 Palmar wrote: The bolded is the important part. If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread. screw it, you have to be scum. Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly You know this how? Because i don't. ##Vote: gumshoe and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / : | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:24 Palmar wrote: like I just read the exchange again, the "do you want the truth" bit is awful and looks like revised history. Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:28 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say. In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all. Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts. It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town! ~rayn He completley read the thread last game as scum 0_0 only becoming useless when Marv smashed him, also in Pyp he didnt fucking read at all (was super chill all game) and said as much himself this very game, he played totally lax and carefree. Wtf are you smoking? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:21 Palmar wrote: The bolded is the important part. If you admit to have lied, and rayn spotted that. Why isn't rayn your strongest townread now? Isn't that exactly what townies do? Like if I catch Sentinel saying something that can be verified as a contradiction, I'm lynching the fuck out of him even if Coag never comes back to the thread. screw it, you have to be scum. Also, I told you I found Rayn actions inconclusive at the time / : and I didn't bother him about his answers, so clearly I did find him townie until he went all Witchcraft on me before hearing a word from Steve. I dont see your point. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote: THIS POST IS TOTALLY FALSE!!! 100% FALSE AND A STRAIGHT OUT LIE! Here is what happened (compare especially the bolded parts). I thought gumshoe scumslipped and i thought other people will see that too. I called him out instantly in thread so that i will look better when he flips (i assumed he will flip 100%). gumshoe didn't in fact scumslip, i had misread his post. We talked about the situation in Teamspeak and decided that we argue about it for a while because it will end up both of us looking better, or at least not worse. We did so. Second bolded part: So jumping on inconsistancies IS BY YOUR OWN WORDS A NULL-TELL on me! Yet you call me scum for it in this game. hahahahahah!! lynch the fuck outta this scum! ~rayn WTF , how does wether or not I scum slipped matter? Point is you THOUGHT I fucking scum slipped and jumped on me you opportunistic piece of shit. Because thats what you do as scum, you leap on anything and everything so you look best no matter how it pans out. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is proof that gumshoe is talking shit. This is the GSL scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ZEYyMDD73RtZ Look at posts 38 -> ~rayn No, how about you look at this one. FUCKING SHIT GUMSHOE YOU JUST CLAIMED SCUM IN THREAD. saFMGDANMgfdsajh Followed up by an immediate vote on me, all our after game laughter and resolution has nothing to do with this one beatiful moment, where you reveal just how on edge you are when you play scum and how you feel the need to pounce. You've done it to me, Geript, Mdern, and you will keep doing it right until the moment we lynch your scummy butt. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:42 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like i am not going to talk anything about gumshoe in this game any more. He is confirmed mafia because this is so retarded he can't be town. I hope you people see that and are not dumb. ~rayn LOL, I'm always willing to talk to you Rayn XD and dont worry, youll be back as soon as people stop buying your crap. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: BECAUSE YOU DO MAFIA THINGS! DO YOU UNDERSTAND MAFIA PEOPLE DO MAFIA THINGS! YOU CAN'T CALL ME MAFIA FOR CALLING OUT YOUR MAFIA THINGS BECAUSE YOU DO THEM! If you do them as town you are bad. But it's more likely you do them as mafia because mafia does mafia things and town does townie things!!!! You literally agree you do scummy stuff, then you call me mafia because i tell people you do scummy stuff. That's the most retarded logic i have ever heard, it's mafia logic. Because you have no real arguments. ~rayn How is lying to get info scummy? How is withholding info from a guy whose 50 percent scum scummy? Every game were town together, you find this shit I do townie. Because you get me Rayn ( : your my bro. Sadly your not my bro this game, and I have acted accordingly.The fact that your not even remotely considering I'm town this game because of that same behaviour you usually find townie shows that your hand is forced, you cant help but call everything I do scummy. Also its not mafia logic, it's Geript logic XD and hes usually town when he uses it. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:33 Holyflare wrote: So you admit this is fucking retarded. Rayn ignores it because it's fucking retarded and then he comes back and thinks. Why is gumshoe being so fucking retarded? So then rayn is scum ... Do you realise how stupid that sounds? Especially as you said rayn is super sharp as scum. If he was scum this game why didn't he just jump on you straight away instead of coming back after thinking? No, I found Rayn townie or at least null for his reaction. When he came after me I told him the truth figuring hed understand "oh , its just fucking Gumshoe, what can ya do" he is exceptional at reading me this way. The last 3 town games weve played together he was pretty sure of my alignment from the start because I played like this, yet here he finds that same behaviour scummy, In a similar manner to another game where he framed me as well for playing exactly the same. Whats dumb about this? Explain to me why scum would lie to get information? What does that get them? Why antagonize a cell mate like that? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: Can I direct you guys away from this debate for now? Enough is enough. What are your thoughts about the mayor? I like Geript for mayor, the way Rayn went after him early on gives me good vibes and I think hes pretty confident. Hes pretty much the only great player I trust at the moment. I also wouldnt mind voting you. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was asked what will happen in case of a modkill. If it's early in the game, I will replace that player. If it's later in the game, the slot will be removed from the game without flip. A no lynch option will be available for the day that slot would be up for lynch. Is this threat directed at me o_O? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: No you are saying you did something scummy and i am scum because i called you out for your scummy shit and on top of that you can't even reasonable explain it. But that doesn't make you look scummy at all, no, it makes me look scummy in your opinion. hilarious ~rayn Thats another point entirely, this point is that scum is active, you deny this, but it's pretty much true, we are dealing with an active scum team, my conflict with Rayn is testament to this | ||
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The point is, I know your scum and I dont want you to get elected, so I am forcing your hand by proposing you vote for someone we both know is town, has a good head on his shoulders and not a single person has an issue with. That transparent enough for you? | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:03 mderg wrote: raynpelikonoshi - likely town pushing different cases, logical reasoning but a bit too much focus on gumshoe gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap" Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling Why would I go all out to defend you if I'm scum? Are you an idiot? What do I gain? And of course I'm focused on Rayn, I know hes scum and hes leading town by the hand, wouldnt you be attacking him if you knew that too? That also hasnt stopped me from going after Holy and others, who do you think is scum in your cell | ||
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So you care more about your own selfish posturing than voting for someone you should KNOW is town? | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:06 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I know you meant to that. I simply don't see the point in cooperating with somebody with 0 power that is seen as scum by the majority of the thread. I am getting major or it will be somebody else that I like. I don't need your help on this. If your town what do you care so long as towns elected? Guys, Rayn is scum right here, this is scum, both his heads are sweating because hes losing his grasp on the election. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:08 Steveling wrote: I read your mayor post raynkoshi. Honestly you are probably my most town read so I don't have a problem. As for me I don't have a clue about mayor'ing and stuff. Do we want scum or town mayor in this setup? Scum want to be mayor and I dont want scum to get what they want, therefore we want a town mayor and I want you to be that mayor. Steve, this thread has 5 scum and you are the only person who has even considered Im town, on paper there is a 50 percent chance Rayn is scum to you, look at my scum games, I dont try this hard, I dont have it in me. I swear on my life I am town. Rayn CAN play this well, I'm sorry that I'm not as good as him ) : but I am trying my best. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:10 mderg wrote: You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town. I´m leaning towards Tehpoofter mostly because he tells about the perfect scum strategy and then continues to play exactly opposite to that. This seems a bit too good. Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:16 mderg wrote: We seem to have a different take on going all out, then Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. I said you were 100 percent town, then proceeded to attack Holy, thats pretty all out. if I am scum I am playing insane and sub optimal when all I have to do is watch you get rolled. Why? What makes Rayn town? The fact that hes good at the game? Hes always good XD. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote: Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi. You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing. My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid. Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys? Promote discussion pls. I adressed that case here 2: I apologize for that point ) : Honestly I was overthinking it, if we had CONFIRMED scum why lynch them then and there? I thought, towns are notorious for bieng lazy later on so I thought it no problem to just leave them till the last minute, they might even slip / :. That said, Rayn has twisted that whole conversation in 2 ways. 1: It stemmed from Geript doing Geript things, Rayn said he was confirmed maf which he doesn't even bilieve anymore 2: I meant in the case that we have 100 percent confirmed scum, which we will never have obs / : so yeah we should lynch the scummiest people first, I will concede that. But how does any of that make me scum? Why take on such a hard position. Point 3: Contradicting myself. I'm not the best player man T_T Rayn pretty much is, if I make mistakes I'm sorry, I know it dont make your job easier none. The meta argument is so clear to me, but I guess I cant blame others for not seeing it / : and the whole me bieng a hypocrite for not considering you scum too is bull because I did consider you ) : and it was Rayn who dragged me into that fight. But honestly forget all that man, listen to the thread, not one person this game has defended or backed me up / : (except you) am I really that gone? Is scum really that meek? I know that seems like shit logic, but it's just common sense really. I dont play my heart out like this when I'm scum guys T_T but theres only so much I can do when I'm bieng attacked from every single angle. What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:22 Holyflare wrote: Who the hell says we trust steve? You've made the last 20 pages a shit fest that say nothing other than talk about each other and you never ever consider Steve, who hasn't really done anything at all other than filter and come to conclusions already drawn. Vote me for mayor. I listen to town consensus . If i go against town you can lynch me. Let's stop this shit of i should be mayor because I'm so town or he should be mayor just cz my read so gd. Vote me, end of all this mayor talk. Find scum outside of your cell! Im not voting you 0_0 your scum. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:25 mderg wrote: There was already quite some pressure on you, though(still much less than now). So hypothetically defending me could give you town points when I flip green. Or I would be an easy kill, if you get lynched on day1. Sigh, your really over thinking it, in Cultured I had a similar all out green read on a player called Mocsta, I just think your town bro, why ya gotta hate me for it T_T also I understand there are reasons to do what I did, but the negatives are 1) instant ire of town 2) easy point for scum to jump on 3) doesnt help me at all as scum, because as you said, I am more likely to know your alignment if I'm scum, therefore there are no realy lynch benefits. The only real reason I'd defend you is because I dont want you to get lynched / : | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:26 Holyflare wrote: Regardless of if I'm scum or not (I'm not) i will follow consensus. If i don't i am claiming scum and you gwt - 1 scum and then you confirm yourself as town because you are a tool who has been pushing me for no logical reason. Why would you not do that??? Promise? | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:24 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Hmm. Nha. rayn is pretty all over the place as town. More so than scum. Your own activity just makes him spend way more posts on you than "needed". Also rayn has provided multiple scumreads and townreads. With reasoning that go further than "all scummers are after me, the scumteam is superactive" Scummers are active bro, that be a fact of life. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe you are a cheap player. I hope you are only cheap and not a cheap fucker who does not deserve any single bit of respect. We lynch Steveling from our group. ~rayn Rayn you look pretty cary right now in my head, like a two headed dragon. Our group is confusing T_T can we just go last and end the game before it gets to us? Making a case on Balla, I think his group should go first, also I dont care whose mayor anymore, Holy's right regardless his colour, it really doesnt matter so long as they promise not to be a cowboy. You want my vote you can have it. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote: We are not scum. We are not. Now let me tell you some harsh truth in case you are town. And I am only typing this because you swore on your life. (who the fuck does that anyway but w.e) Look at where this game is going. You do see everybody is taking our side and you will get lynched? You see this happening right? This is not because rayn & I are scum and our scumbuddies are fucking you over because you are some smart guy that found out we are scum and they are all protecting us by making you look insane. This is because you are playing like a an insane tool, and everybody knows/sees that you will be the lynch in our group. It is literally impossible (or at least infinite times harder) for scum to lynch us over you because then they need to make a bullshit case on rayn, and defend your crazyness. There are 2 guys currently hinting that it might be Steve that is scum (mderg and Palmar), LOOK at how they both don't think that it is us who is scum, even then they go straight against your 100% townread on Steve and 100% scumread on us. You do see what is happening in this thread right? Who the fuck do you think you are? This has escalated, what I did was cheap but I dont think it warrants the bolded. I'm going to take a break. | ||
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Steveling quick question about Rayn Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try. So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain? Next up this little bit. This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less. I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better. How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie. That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again) He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason. I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue. gumshoe - scummy 90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap" Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling But when hes danger, Mdern rides in This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that. Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love? Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that. You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town. This is what I said about him for the record. Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this. We seem to have a different take on going all out, then Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0. So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read. or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that. My guess is a bit of both / : I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first: Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up: While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though. Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own. This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play. A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face. Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight. Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum. I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight. @LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun. So whose scum in our cell? You say the most logical thing Ive said was how Steveling is town. Do you agree with that? If Rayns scum, why doesnt he just ride me to finish line? | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote: regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it. Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town. Regarding my steveling defense timings: first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true. Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null? Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote: so gumshoe im not scum anymore???? That depends, are you capable of being scum with Mdern : P | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:53 prplhz wrote: not really rayn like palmar is town just based on how he acts but that's kind of it i have no idea about your slam read but if you're town i'll trust you on it. if not then lsb is only kind of doing his thing from fisticuffs, lists and plans instead of commenting on stuff. i do think he was a lot more engaged in the game in fisticuffs though, he loudly disagreed with you and picked your number just for the lulz of it. balla i like. i have the same feeling about him that i did in default suspicions. sent/coag hard to say. coag null, sent not very active. getript is hard to say really. i would probably lynch him over cephiro. for someone who is this active he should really be more all over the place. i don't get how he can not comment on this whole swearing situation and just carry on with the same old prplhz-is-scum-for-no-reason thing. i think gum is scum over steve. just thinking the steve thing over, i don't mind that he doesn't want to 1up gum on the oath thing. i can also get over that he originally complained over the oath thing because it was a bad argument (here) and only later did he mention that he opposed it because of a principle thing. his ragequit looked bad but then it turns out he didn't ragequit at all so that didn't actually look bad anyway. all in all, i think steve navigated a minefield and emerged relatively unscathed. gum on the other hand..... If mderg were to flip red, would that impact your opinion on steve? Do you mind lynching him first? Or do you think someone else in that cell is scum? | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:04 prplhz wrote: mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was. i also like balla24's early read on him but that's a bit more flaky. poofter i don't know really. low activity and i don't remember thinking his posts were all that great. flare isn't very active. dunno that's kind of a hard group. flare is nowhere near as townie as he was in that game we just played where no one accused him of anything the entire game. Are you arguing Mderg's was buddying stevie as if he was a townie? Clearly thats not the case, seeing as he was willing to go out of his way to say Steve is neutral to him, you know unless steve is in danger, in which cause mderg leaps in to cut down the shitty logic raised against him / : against his number 1 town in our cell no less. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo. and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander). it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners. If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / : So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at? | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:29 prplhz wrote: no. i think mderg red indicates steve green, and that's my opinion already. i don't mind lynching mderg before steve since i think mderg looks scummy and i dont think steve looks scummy. i would mind lynched steve after mderg though because steve looks town and i don't want to lynch town (not even if they have amazing reads or they are known bussers). in what cell? I disagree with what Mdern's alignment indicates, but so long as you concede Mdern for the moment I'm happy. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:35 prplhz wrote: i don't understand this at all. ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here? i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already. i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting. Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time. | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:51 prplhz wrote: 1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters. 2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now. 1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason. 2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make. | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:10 prplhz wrote: 1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right? 2) nope. i agree with you right here. Hmm maybe you are town, it's possible that you and Geript are fighting and ceph realizes that'll go on so long as he doesnt play. Same thing as what likely happened with me, Rayn and steve / : | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:37 prplhz wrote: what makes you read me as town gum? i have never seen a scum straight up afk without actually not being there so i think ceph actually just hasn''t been around. pretty null. I tunneled Rayn for eternity before talking to steve, not going to make that mistake again. Does that make me scummy? | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:37 prplhz wrote: what makes you read me as town gum? i have never seen a scum straight up afk without actually not being there so i think ceph actually just hasn''t been around. pretty null. Hmm maybe you are town, it's possible that you and Geript are fighting and ceph realizes that'll go on so long as he doesnt play. Also I never said I read you as town, I said it's likely enough that it's worth waiting to see what Ceph has to say. | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:44 prplhz wrote: meh what made your opinion on me change? I realized that though Geript should have a good idea of your alignment, that doesnt make you asking him to check out how you usually plays scummy. | ||
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On April 04 2014 00:57 Steveling wrote: Yes but that's coming from your perspective, as someone who knows rayn and before I went mad with the oath thing yesterday. I can't flip now on ryan and expect you guys to believe I'm town. And I would be fine with that if this was a normal setup since you would have my reads and the people who jumped on me as potential scum but we will lose my cell if you lynch me so I have to try my best and not give up. If this was a normal setup my last post in this game would be from yesterday. So I'm trying to figure out why ryan did what he did only to find out that you veteran guys have preconceived notions about ryan. I feel lost and confused. Also sad. Hug pls. No, that comes from the position of any town, there is no way Rayn is scum anymore T_T his play cannot be explained from a scum perspective and you all thought he was town before the play. Yet you've focused on him, not me, if I was in your position the first thing I would do is say "cmon man, this guys full of shit" I'd also like to point out that I made the life oath to you, not Rayn and you didn't care at all XD I understand if you still might think im lying, I very well might be(it is a game of lies after all) but it didnt even give you pause, because the group was going exactly how you wanted. There was no reason to consider new info, which is also why when I responded to your big point against me you ignored me (which is why I came back with that plea ) Its the same reason why Mdern didnt give a shit when I called him town. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:37 Steveling wrote: Well first of all, for a top ranked mafia player as you described your ability, you managed to contradict yourself in these 2 lines. I don't know what to say, you constantly seem to either not understand my simple posts or not want to. As for your actual question, you are asking me something that will reflect bad on the hosts depending on my answer and I think I blamed them enough. I think I already answered multiple times why I would be mad over this. Read my filter from yesterday if you are still not sure about my reasoning. Honestly, it's not the fact that you were mad thats dumb, it's the fact of who you were mad AT. Like, you should KNOW I'm scum the moment Rayn flips on you and yet you attack him for bieng dumb instead of getting pissed at me for doing something cheap. I also dont like how you present it as cheating, is it cheating if I'm scum? No, 100 times no, it is a lie and one that is available it's only cheating if I'm town. Yet you assert thats exactly what it is... | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:44 Palmar wrote: How is this true? Why should he know that? Steve doesn't understand for some reason why the flip makes rayn almost guaranteed town but if we accept that his train of thought about "rayn used terrible logic to clear gumshoe, thus rayn must be mafia" is what he's thinking, there is no reason he should know you're mafia. Rayn is scum. Things are going his way. Everyone thinks hes town. Why switch his stance? That occured to me moments after I read his swap and I've been tunneling him all game. Steveling is not an idiot. The correct right and only sensible play in that situation is to double down on me. Because whats scummy, changing your stance when things are going entirely your way? Or lying? But he directs his anger at Rayn because he is not trying to read the game, he is trying to survive his cell. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:50 Palmar wrote: In fact, seeing as you thought all yesterday gumshoe that rayn is mafia, how on earth does it make any sense that suddenly he's confirmed town? Ive explained my reasoning. A huge cornerstone of my case was that Rayn will interpret everything I say as scummy no matter what, that has proven not true and I cant see why Rayn would flip flop when things are going his way as scum. | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:51 Palmar wrote: The host has made his decision and I already said what I thought of it. Your alignment is irrelevant here. I didnt ask that, I asked if I am scum am I not allowed to tell any lie I please? Isnt that what I am supposed to do? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:02 Steveling wrote: Listen gum and holyflare. What's done is done, the poor hosts probably want to commit suicide reading this game and it's partially my fault. If it makes you feel better thinking than I'm scum and my oath-anger-burst thing was a smoke screen pls do so. But stop discussing it further pls. I will ask anything I want, you can choose to ignore it if you like but just because you and plamar conveniently dont want to talk about doesn't mean it's going to disappear from the thread. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:06 Alakaslam wrote: What the ...? What did I miss? I bet my life on a game of forum mafia and Steve claimed scum. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:08 Palmar wrote: I don't care if you keep pushing this bullshit I'm policy voting you. Go ahead, clearly you cant read me at all, which is why were here in the first place. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:08 Steveling wrote: Did I give the impression yesterday that I did not want to talk about it? lol I was the one that brought it up. It's just wrong to talk about the semantics of this anymore. Of course you brought it up, because you felt cheated of your scum victory : P now thats it's working against you that sooner it's gone the better right? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:14 Steveling wrote: How is it working against me, stop making stuff up. Prplhz already said that my burst was legit and now he thinks I'm town. Slam the same. You are lying. There we go! This is how it should have been right off the bat if you werent actually scum : P | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:18 Steveling wrote: Well, that doesn't matter prplz because I think I will after all. Why is gum sheeping so hard that retarded case? Why is he making stuff up? Why doesn't he even for a moment question my anger when even ryan asked me why I was getting mad about it. I don't know if I should trust holyflare and palmar on their townread on ryan but gum has it a bit too convenient. Don't know, guys, share thoughts pls, am I crazy? 1: Because my entire case on Rayn was that he will contantly turn everything I say against me, if he was scum he had already won his cell. The only reason he would change his opinion is this "ive played many games with Gum, and I dont think hes a total piece of shit, so hes proablly town, sigh" therefore if Rayn is town, your scum to me by default. 2: Lol 3: Scum has already won thier group without lifting a finger, townie says some cheating bullshit that changes the other townies mind, how dare they!? Thats not even remotely fair! How does that reaction NOT fit scum ? | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side? We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure. Did I scum slip that hugely in that game? Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad. Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake? Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote: Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: i thought i was bad gumshoe. balla i gave my order, i don't care that much, ~rayn Turns out I was ) : what you did doesn't make sense as scum and goes against my argument. If I want to entertain the notion that my reads are driven by reason I am forced to concede that my case on you was wrong ) :. That said you totally misread me as well, so if you want we can be bad together : P | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote: Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum. Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T | ||
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On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote: As I explained, I was the most green player. I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok". That's why he was afraid. And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor. Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right? It also explains his fixation on getript. Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo). And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town. We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left. From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi. With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3. Me+gum+getript=3 as well. I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating. Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd. Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point? Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot? Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all? You were not the most green player, you were the most green player to US because at the time me and Rayn were fixed on the other being mafia. Town considered Rayn the greenest by far because they did not have our cells enhanced tunnel vision. No one but me ever called Rayn scum, so I dont see your point here ) : also even if you were right, I'm not entirely sure what that proves, can you elaborate? How sure are you that Geript is town? Do you think prp is scum? Would ceph lurk as long as he did as scum? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:22 Steveling wrote: Well, no one called me out on anything serious. Yes? You and getript had actively hunted ryan? Yes? So I was greener? I'll take that as a yes too. You are again lying after that, getript had called ryan scum many times and I don't recall, have to check filters, I think even before yours and ryans fight. As for your last questions, I didn't assume anything regarding their status. I did forget Geript XD mostly cause I tend to forget about him as I generally dont put much stock in what he says / : that is not a lie, it is a mistake. That isnt scummy : P just slop. Also there are other cells bro, figure out a read and offer it please. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:23 Palmar wrote: maybe gumshoe is indeed the mafia who knows How does fucking up make me scum? Arent you supposed to be good at this game? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:30 Steveling wrote: You avoided to answer this or did you forget again? Actually, yes XD I read this and jumped to your case and forgot about the rest of the post. 1: I think you dont understand what I mean by sub optimal, if Rayn is scum, he literally just has to do what hes doing and he wins, the onus was on him to make such a shitty scum move that makes perfect sense to me if hes town (ive explained why rayn can do this as town already, and ive seen him do something similar before at key points of games) You on the other hand are reacting, you MUST react to what Rayns done therefore you are more off balance. Rayn has to go out of his way to play shitty if hes scum, whereas you are just reacting shitty to something you had no control over and trying to justify rage with rage. Also you are saying you wouldnt play this shitty as scum, why would you play that shitty as town either? That argument makes no sense / : Rayn's action is inherently better as one faction than the other. Does that not make sense? | ||
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Other than stupid Gumshoe of course T_T I mean of the two people you say were on Rayn, one of them has realized hes an idiot, and the other is Geript. | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:41 Steveling wrote: Ummm, do you read what you typed before you hit the post button? It's you who are claiming I'm scum and not me obviously, lmao. You are saying you would not play this bad as scum, but the play is bad period, theres no reason to play that way as town either. Whereas Rayn's action is inherently worse if hes scum. Ergo hes townier. Whats the problem here? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:45 Steveling wrote: Your reading comprehension? God your such a dick, Your argument, HERDER GUMSHOE I KICKED YOUR ASS AS SCUM, HOW I PLAY SO BAD?!!@>## The play is bad period, there is no reason to make it therefore it is null, it does not count in your favour. Rayns play on the other hand is good if hes town and bad if hes scum. I know one of you is scum, ones reaction is null at best, the other townie. Who do I assume is scum? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote: Why do you have trouble with that. I'm getting fos'ed and you assume I'm scum or at least scummier than ryankoshi. Obviously I'm gonna set that setting in my example? Plus I said like, 14 times that what I did was alignment free. Exactly! What you did was alignment free AT BEST(I dont think it was, but thats irrelevant) but I find what Rayn did completely good alignment indicative, I MUST pick one of you, therefore you are my scum choice. Seriusly, how does no one get this? | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:59 Steveling wrote: And btw my play would be more legit as town than as scum. Town in this setup can't afford MY's. You ML me, mafia gets a point and you lose a supposedly strong player in ryankoshi( don't know why he's considered a strong player, lol , at least based on this game). As scum, as I explained in the previous post, acting up for this stupid reason would be disastrous. You admit you played shitty earlier 0_0 ummm ok? Is this a scum claim? Also how can you NOT act out? Pretty much the towniest guy in the game turns on you, if your scum you have to deal with that, theres no way around that. What you did is null or scummy, what Rayn did was townie, do you not see my point of view? | ||
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I have answered this many times over, the play is only dumb if Rayn is scum, it only might look dumb as town if someone still thinks I'm scum or are scum, I know I'm town though, so Rayn giving up a perfect position can only really be interpreted to me as a townie making the right call at the expense of his own credibility. There is no reason to do that as scum. | ||
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Why are you deflecting my question by asking a question I've asnwered dozens of times? Are you even reading my posts? Why is it so unreasonable to ask you to scum hunt outside of your own cell? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:13 Steveling wrote: I didn't deflect anything, I'm filtering prplz right now and I'll follow up with getmoript. You didn't answer on the other hand. I have answered this many times over, the play is only dumb if Rayn is scum, it only might look dumb as town if someone still thinks I'm scum or are scum, I know I'm town though, so Rayn giving up a perfect position can only really be interpreted to me as a townie making the right call at the expense of his own credibility. There is no reason to do that as scum. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:28 Steveling wrote: Busted? We all agree we have to win our cells first and foremost and then look at other cells. In this setup a lynch removes an entire cell from the game, so town is hurt more than MY than scum by scum lynch? I'm under suspicion so I'm obviously trying to make seem as town and get us a point? Scumslip? Even though it was a lie, since I'm filtering cell 5 atm. I also like how you conveniently ask for HF who blindly trusts you to be the last cell, lol. Ok, thats fine, now provide your comments on other cells and prove your not just trying to live : D. Holy flare is apparently the best player on tl mafia, results say he is better than Rayn, would we not benefit from his insight throughout the game? Do you think hes scum? You seem to crumb that hes bad townie here, not scum, how do you know hes town? And when is Holy ever bad? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:54 Steveling wrote: In the early game he says Later on he responds to someone fos'ing him Like, totally unrelated these 2 points he makes. Weak. Later he says that he would lynch getript over cephiro which is questionable. Getript doesn't have the best posts but at least he has some, lol. On another comment I don't understand this, what does "he was right when no one else was" mean? Does he know for sure my alignment? He has an argument with getript about getript calling him scum. Read it all and I think they are both wrong, meaning, getript just overreacts to useless fluff. After that prplz has some nice questions about both me and gumshoe. He votes for holyflare which I agree with and generally I think is a good protown vote. I'd say I'm leaning more towards town atm for him. Except one thing, he changed his mind like 3 times on me and 2 on gum already. He doesn't question rayn at all, at any point. I want to ask prpls what's his current opinion on raynkoshi. Welp, this is pretty reasonable 0_0 fuck, is rayn actually scum? Is that even possible? | ||
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Whatever it means about his alignment, I think I agree with Steve on prp, Geript is playing his town meta to a t if hes scum and I dont think Cephiro would be comfterbale lurking this long if he was red, I also liked his entry and will go into why I think hes town in a bit. Gonna go grab some lunch first. | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^ Oh god your right T_T Steve is scum with prp methinks then. But lynch me instead cause I'm obviously the scummiest person in my cell XD Anyways, quick general question before I go, do you think scum are more likely to bus in this setup because they know they can throw 2 cells? | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again? gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ? dafuq? I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point. The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once. | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch? Sure. | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:34 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why would you want the first day to be a townlynch? Are you confident you will find 3 scums before the day ends? What use has it that you die first? Wether or not its a town lynch is up to you Rayn, not me. And yes, I feel totally confident that I can offer up reads for the other groups in a day, the game has gone on for a reasonably long time now. | ||
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Koshi quit the game because gumshoe, i wanted to quit too, because gumshoe, you are a fucking asshole. I want to shoot you in the face because you are a fucking dick I know we should take these posts of his with a grain/drop of vodka, but if Rayn is town, why is he so pissed at me / : he claims hes mad because Koshi wanted to stop playing because of me, which just wasnt the case, read any of koshi's recent posts, he was totally playing the game 0_0 So the question stands, why is Rayn still so pissed at me for doing something that hurts me and my credibility but benefits town? Like, I understood Steve's anger, what I did directly turned Rayn on him, but Rayn has no reason to hold a grudge like this if hes town. Steve, earlier you called Rayn scum, I assume that you still do in light of recent events / : doesn't that make Geript town? If you agree (which you pretty much should) whose scum between purp and ceph? | ||
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Steve, you considered Rayn scum, Rayn has pretty much claimed, do you have an issue with a no lynch in our cell? | ||
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On April 04 2014 11:43 Coagulation wrote: host confirmed him as scum with the no lynch. cant force town to lynch a town only cell No, he added that in to allow us to make our own judgement. If he had not allowed a no lynch, we would assume the opposite of course. He HAS to allow a no lynch because only that way do both possibilities remain. So there still could be scum, I just really doubt it. | ||
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I will say I dont like how blatant he was about wanting to lynch Slam just cause whatever. He offered no read on Slam of his own and that was literally his only read XD. I have no issue killing Coag at the moment, I think sent is super town, which leaves Plamar who I'll dive next to see if I can tie him to Rayn. ##Vote: Coagulation Also how is Coag so sure Rayns scum? His reasoning was dumb, Artanis made the only call he could possibly make to not break the game. That doesnt auto clear me and Steve. Its likely Rayn's scum, but he didnt outright claim and he was drunk so who the hell knows. Sigh, all this bullshit is pretty much my fault T_T. | ||
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On April 04 2014 11:50 Coagulation wrote: votes me before i even respond cAause he aint lookin to read me just kill Do you think you look townier than Palmar? Answer honestly please. | ||
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On April 04 2014 12:09 Coagulation wrote: how do you play mafia here and dont understand scum bus What reason is there to bus? Sents word carries weight, Rayn was in the best position still despite everything that went down (we did vote him for mayor you know) what point is there to working against your team in the group your most likely to win? | ||
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On April 04 2014 11:57 gumshoe wrote: Do you think you look townier than Palmar? Answer honestly please. Coag? answer? | ||
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On April 04 2014 12:55 Coagulation wrote: wat a fucking joke. yeah ok guys if everyone placeholders a vote on coag its really a coag lynch and u guys are being cowards about it. Coag, please answer all my questions, dont fight me if your town T_T does this help? ##Unvote First things first, I need you realize that Sent is town, it was Plam who was wrong about my alignment and probally Rayns. Also this Tehpoofter Do you think Coag is capable of giving up as town? Palmer Yes This doesn't mesh well with this / : I'm not going to wifom myself into thinking you really don't give a shit as town. This is a clear contradiction and I really dont think he cares about this lynch so long as it's not on him. Which is why hes so eager to hide behind a "if hes town, he deserves to get lynched" mentality. | ||
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On April 04 2014 12:57 Coagulation wrote: w/e this is my last post. town deserves to lose so i dont even feel bad nooooo come back T_T | ||
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On April 04 2014 13:25 Alakaslam wrote: Wait When coagguss wants lynch this Alakaslam? Seriusly? Your his only scum read. lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town | ||
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On April 04 2014 13:38 Alakaslam wrote: Coag is no fool And he isn't Rayn's bithc either. He know though this Alakaslam ez LHF So ez push ez win But Town he knows probabilities not like this. He would simply be hush, in setup like tgis Also, as a CHUPAZI of OMGUS, he flies above, dropping the turdz*, & stuff. He dropped a turd with the "policy lynch"- he knows the setup he knows you don't policy here Dasrite folks he call us the fools he does You are a wonderful human bieng Slam :D please keep talking, any other reads on stuff? Do you think theres a chance Rayn is town? | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:16 Palmar wrote: rayn doesn't have to be scum. Seriously why are you even playing this game, you're just assuming some random bullshit to be true. Steve is "modconfirmed" for saying "sorry mods" in the thread. And rayn claims scum and then town and thus he's mafia. No he doesnt have to be, but the claim itself in conjunction with his rage at me indicates the first bit was true, alchohol lowers inhibitions far more than it turns us into liars / : most likely scenario is that he was really pissed at me for what I did (id like to note here only two people should be pissed at me for that whole scenario, steve, because I turned him into the lynch target and scum. The vast majority considered me null because they thought it was possible I could be lying, whereas scum were like "wtf, thats so cheap, how do I reject that without looking scummy?!") then some part of him realized hed fucked up and backtracked. This is far and away the most likely scenario and I find it really strange how hard your clinging to the notion that what he did was null / : Could he still be town? Sure, is it far more likely hes scum? YES, so we should use all the information at our disposal, is that not what town Rayn would want us to do XD I'm less certain about sent, he did attack Rayn once, but this post is just so godamm soft XD, its hard to at a glance understand what he thinks of Rayn and shortly after he abandons this train of thought to go after Steve T_T A general impression from a quick skim of the 13 pages of roshi's filter: If I had to distinguish between town rayn and scum rayn, is that rayn plays scum like CNN - seemingly factual, but carefully omitting anything that doesn't support it, and shifting away the attention before anyone starts asking "why?" The case on gumshoe seems a bit myopic but legitimate, something I'd see coming from yamato more than rayn. Sure it's very detailed and sourced but it's almost to the point where rayn's letting his frustration with gum lead his argument instead of the other way around. More Fox than CNN. So we have a guy who is totally wrong and clinging to a sinking ship, a dude whose been a bit bouncy with his reads and the one time he did hit upon rayn it was in a very soft manner (a bit before he pushed onto steve) and Coag. Yaaaay cell 1 | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:50 Palmar wrote: You have no idea if I'm wrong or not unless you're mafia. wtf are you talking about palmar, no I dont know for bloody certain, but when does anyone know anything for certain in this game except scum?! We make pushes by reading into people and wondering why they do the things they do, I havent just said his claim makes him scum, I have also provided reasoning for why it does. As I would with any opinion of mine. Having no 100 precent idea of something doesnt mean we should just sit on our asses and not read into what Rayn did. Btw Palmar no offence, I do look up to you : P and legit think your damm good at this game despite what bits of mean I've thrown your way, but are you getting as annoyed by my posts as I am of yours? Just curios XD | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:57 Holyflare wrote: and then the fact that he goes into my filter as 100% confirmed scum and picks out random bits of it to say nothing like he's won some kind of jackpot One thing we can say for certain is your not scum together XD so if Palmar were to flip red you'd be clear most likely. You could also both be town / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: I don't think I made a mistake Palmar but I'm now reading my post again. I'll apologise if I did. Gumshoe hi, speak pls, we need more opinions. We are probs town so we should no lynch. I have claimed that alchohol makes us more likely to tell truths (it is an inhibitor lowerer) and Rayns anger at me indicates hes scum (only scum and you were likely to be angry, you because you became directly impacted, scum because they saw what I did as unfair) Rayn got pissed at the order or something, claimed, realized he fucked up and thats that. Reading the filters a few things came to mind, Rayns convo with sent does not read as scum on scum I am maybe leaning Sentinel being scum over Coag. Sentinel made all-over-nothing posts on our group and wasted a lot of time and didn't come to any conclusion And everything Sentinel says is bleeding town? / : check it out for youself, wanna hear what you think about it. On the other hand, raynkoshi seems suprisingly warm twoards Coag, yet it feels like Coag's lynch is an almost forgone conclusion in his eyes. I am somewhat sad that coag is not playing and we need to lynch into that first but w.e. Palmar his responsibility. Like can you just play the game and deduct Coag is scum from Sentinel and Palmar their filter instead of going for a policy lynch? It's lame that because rayn thinks you are scum you refuse to give opinions on sentinel and Palmar and just policy lynch Coag Like, if Coag is scum, I dont see Koshi so blatantly being reluctant to lynch him / : and yet be effectively resolved to still do so. Heres a list of scum he offered in the midst of his turmoil Steveling (only trying to win his group currently) alakaslam (trust rayn) geript (imo not good reads, cav shares them and I don't understand why) Coag (Other 2 town) Read for youself, but it seems like hes prepping for a green flip on Coag / : which leaves the captain of a sinking ship.... | ||
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In the early stages of the game, Rayn was certain me and Geript were scum BEFORE really hearing out our teamates. Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game. Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people. There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful. At this point in time Cephiro (Geripts cell mate ) had not actually posted / : Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz This is on me and similarly at this point in time Steve has not posted. So clearly Rayn is willing to make reads despite hearing a whole cell out right? Welp, thats not exactly the case for one guy. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. From the last group i have a read on Sentinel in a way or anohter but it's not strong so i don't want to elaborate more on that yet. Palmar could go either way until he talks more and so can Coag. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second. and eventually this comes out. Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say. In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all. Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts. It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town! ~rayn This came a bit out of the blue, it wasnt really a direct response but from what I can gather, it was prompted I assume by Palmar's support of Rayn against me, and my attack on the active players in thread / : (of which palmar was one and I did comment against him as well a short while before this post) Whats funny though is that at this point sent and Coag have barely posted 0_0 so what changed? The only reason I see for scum Rayn coming out in support of Palmar is so that they can safely consolidate / : which means his whole "cant say what palmar is cause afks" was probally bullshit and just an excuse to avoid talking about his scum mate. Yeah, we should lynch plam today / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 01:58 Palmar wrote: write 200 word essay on unflipped player. conclude someone entirely different is mafia. Virtually everyone here agrees that what rayn did makes him scummy. Kinda funny how things have turned around no? Just a few days ago our positions were reversed XD not fun fighting the whole thread is it? How long till your scum buddy's smell the blood in the water and come for you as well ya think? | ||
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Take note, this is the angriest reaction from palmar I have ever seen. I think what I've said is fairly reasonable / : and well mannered as well. So why an outburst this bad? Why does my opinion ( which he doesn't really seem to value) get him this angry? 2 things are at work. He blames me for what rayn did, the game was thiers before I did something cheap / : so he can't help but be angry at me. palmar responds more coolly to accusations as town than a lot of players on tl in my opinion XD Yet he's furious here, which brings me to the second factor, which is that I have hit the nail on the head XD and he can't stand it. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:06 Palmar wrote: You were under suspicion for something you did. You and HF are trying to pusht he idea that I should be under suspicion for something rayn did. There is a difference and it makes you mafia. And yet, you haven't overtly been calling for my head until now, so obviously what I did to set you off is attack you XD. Don't pretend that's not why your going after me, when I was calling out coag you didn't say shit, cause me being scummy is no problem when I'm on your side right? | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:09 prplhz wrote: gumshoe is just making shit up as he goes Purple, is rayn scum for claiming scum? If you agree, then attack my argument not me. Thanks for confirming that your scum though XD first post in a while = defence of scum buddy. I know you people are pissed about rayn but you don't have to make things that easy. If palmar flips town you can have my head if you like, there's more than once cell to win with after all. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:12 Palmar wrote: go read my filter and prove I'm mafia. If I do so I am assuming rayn is scum, just so you know, because I have made arguments as to why his claim is believeable le and that is my stance. This is a game built around associations and your asking me not to take into account a scum claim 0-0 | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:14 Palmar wrote: Also, even if we assume rayn was scum, why does that make me mafia gumshoe? Glad to see you've calmed down : D I don't read his interactions with sent and coag as scum on scum. He presents sent as possibly scummy, and coag as possibly townie so that when coag flips, everyone calls sent scum. Not you. He also chose not to read into you ( until it was convenient for him ) until your team mates talked, despite the fact that he had no issue calling me or Geript scum before Steve or cephiro talked. The motive is that he used the asks as an excuse to not talk about his scum buddies. Only once I started going after actives did he defend you. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:19 prplhz wrote: Like, you're just making shit up as you go, no thinking just fitting everything to your agenda. If I am scum, and Palmar is scum, why on earth would I even think that Palmar needed or would benefit from me posting a one liner? I'm just posting exactly what I am seeing, you are in make-shit-up-mode. Every time someone posts it completely confirms whatever you think and that's just not how mafia works at all. Loll, no your doing what scum have been doing all game. Calling my arguments bullshit in an organized manner without attacking the arguments. Scum rayn and palmar have offered one off " gumshoe doesn't make sense therefore he's mafia " all game, why wouldn't you? It worked for a good long while. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: no of course rayn isn't anything because of a drunk ragequit in the middle of the night, except probably mad i have no idea why people believe his scumclaim but not anything else he said The scum claim makes sense, the town claim after makes sense if he realizes in his drunken stupor that he fucked up. His anger implies he's scum as well. The two don't contradict each other as much as scum would like us to think | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:26 Palmar wrote: But it's ok, because for the entire time, all rayn needed to do to not be called mafia by you is to stop calling you mafia. genius. Ah yes, the scum spin XD I can only assume rayn felt he had to call me town, similar to how he had to call me scum gsl. I personally wouldn't have done it but a lynch on Steve still served his purpose fine I suppose. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:27 Palmar wrote: Like if anything you should be suspicious of rayn like steve was for using sort of flimsy reasoning to stop calling ou mafia, but that doesn't really matter because I know rayn would do exactly what he did as town. Why would I be suspicious of him doing something that he just doesn't have to do as scum? I realize now that Rayn feels pressured to do things as scum because he feels that town rayn would in no world not do that thing. If I swore on my life, town Rayn would be believe me due to what he knows of me, therefore scum Rayn cannot reconcile his two personas. Besides, steve is just as good a lynch for him I suppose. Was definitely hard for me to wrap my head around at that possibility at the time | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:32 Palmar wrote: It's not pro-town play, it's shit play by rayn, but the point is that it maks no sense to do as mafia, hence rayn was town. Alchohol lowers inhibitions, if someone is stressed out by lies, the blurt out the truth / : it makes perfect sense if hes mafia. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:31 Palmar wrote: Also what is "the scum spin" don't just throw around random shit terms and pretend they actually mean something, you have to explain. Generalize an entire argument/ Summarize everything someone is doing as shitty. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:27 prplhz wrote: i'm talking about how it just seems like you thought "now i'm gonna go 100% bullshit mode and every time someone posts i'm going to make a reply where i say it implies whatever i think" and that's not something a townie does Ok, lets settle the matter once and for all. This is my entire train of thought this game. 1: I am in a cell, I know one of us scum, Rayn is the only one around so lets see how quickly he might pounce if I pretend I think Steve is scum. 2: Ok Rayn didnt really do anything bad, maybe hes town, lets move on. 3: Rayn is attacking me for something I've done before (set a bait post) that he knows I do, Rayn has town read me for playing the way I do in countless games, why is that not the case here? 4: Rayn is playing exactly like Witchcraft, finding bits of my meta that work against me(as if anyone is totally consistent between games) and casting everything I say from scum view, without actually seeing if I am scum. 5: Rayn is 100 percent certain I am scum even though Steve hasnt said a word, wow. 6: Why would Rayn back off me? He had me totally beat 0_0 the way hes turned around is similar to Cultured, when I convinced him Mocsta was town, maybe he is green. This is my reasoning, I admit I havent played perfect, but it is in no way the total shit people make it out to be. | ||
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People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote: Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it? In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. 2: Your looking at it the wrong way bus wise, you think scum can bus any cell, its not like that, think of it as an election, say your scum team is rayn mdern palmer prplz slam You CANNOT throw the cells your are likely to win (ie plamar and rayn) you want to work to make sure those cells pan out no matter what because the mdern and slam cells can very well fail (leaving prp as a swing vote. It's like an election, where each side feels they can win certain states, and only like 12 are in the balance. If you have palmar in a cell with coag and sent, there is no reason palmar should lose that match and scum should do as much as they can to make sure that doesnt happen, thereby leaving clear connections. | ||
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On April 05 2014 02:59 Palmar wrote: Wanting a 1 for 1 lynch is basically a scum claim. We also confirm me if we get the lynch between coag and sent right No, if its coag, it could be sent, if its sent, it could be coag, it says nothing about your alignment. I am throwing away a cell I have effectively won, not because I am scum, but because I am a pompous know it all townie who thinks hes solved the game : P and am willing to bet everything to be right. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:13 prplhz wrote: how does hf know rayn better than i know rayn? HF is the best player on tl bro, he knows everyone better than you : P | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote: You probably shouldn't be listening to what i say this game though Oh come on man, who are they going to listen to instead?! ME??!!!! I need you Holy T_T if your town too were not likely to win this without you. | ||
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Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even. Sent is caught between an extremely competent player who I believe HAS played us, just as sent fears, and one of the most infamous townie goats on Tl. This sentiment doesn't make him scum / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote: This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] + On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 Geript, Rayn went after you and me without considering our inactive cellies, but Palmar got a pass BECAUSE of them. Why would Rayn do that? Especially because he clearly thought he was town from the start and was just scared of being obvious about it. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:37 Steveling wrote: Alright on coag, Two points I that appeal to me First, I don't know about that, people who know both of them speak up pls? Is he right? Second, This is the only thing of note from his 1st page. Take it as you will, it doesn't sit well with me. People that know him like Palmar say that's something a town coag would do, I can't say the same. Again with the damned meta, why don't you people treat every game as a different one? Not all of us have played a bazillion games with you. Next page This come right after raynkoshi are modkilled but I don't know why, there isn't a single sentinel post in the 3 previous pages. Mby meta again? Coag explain pls? Again scumclaming against sentinel with this In my own sentinel post I found him as I said "flimsy" so we agree here. I can't speak about rayn confirmed. I admit it fits though. Later on, and Umm, ok? lol Page3 and we have some action, His reasons for flipping between them and So let me get this straight coag. First you sheep another person's meta read, for agreeing with your meta read that sentinel is scummy. And then you say that What? Many scum points for that. He scumclaims against HF after that, with the following reasoning, Coag blaming another player for being useless all game, >.< . Anyway, he made big case against HF + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2014 23:41 Coagulation wrote: Yet he is blaming his not caring on shit that happened after this. He is pulling excuses straight out of his asshole. classic scumslip. thanks for the insight on what mafia do. had some recent first hand experience with that huh? TOTALLY IGNORING/TOWNREADING RAYN CONSTANT BITCH ABOUT LURKING ATTACKING TOWNIES FOR BAD LOGIC, WITH NO CONNECTION TO SCUM HUNTING> ICING ON THE CAKE CONFIRMED LOSS IN POWER RANKINGS BUTTHURT He has one and a half valid points but he's throwing too much weight on them for such a bold claim I think. One being the argument HF had vs Palmar regarding mderg's meta, HF was wrong on that. The half being HF perma-reading ryankoshi as town even after his death. The rest are not proper arguments. After some fluff posts Da faq? Like couple posts above guys, you can read that he said. Then he says that palmar seems engaged and 180 or rather 360 against sentinel again?????????? What? This is a huge scum point award by me. Like these posts are even on the same page in his filter. Aaand that's all about coag. Lol, I don't even, by far the scummiest of the 3. Like, can you explain any of this coag? Coag is bad at this game. This attitude is par for the course / : we lynch him it says nothing about rayns alignment, please adress my point on the cells bieng like an election and why flips are more revealing/useful this game. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:36 Palmar wrote: gum's not town and even if he is he is sided with the mafia. You know your casually shitting on me works alot better with Rayn around to do the heavy lifting / : its just kind of sad as is. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:46 Palmar wrote: aren't you 100% sure about rayn's alignment anyway? No, I am not, but I think scum Rayn is far more likely than town Rayn. So I am factoring that in to my arguments. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:46 Steveling wrote: So coag get's a mental-level-CRAZY diagnosis paper and is free to do and say what he wants? Anyway, I see some new posts I have to address along with yours gum. Yes, if you want to lynch scum and not someone whose just bad. People get into the trap of thinking bad is scum, I have seen so many derpy townies on tl its no wonder I assume scum is always competent / : as they should be because they have perfect info. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:48 Palmar wrote: pretty much. Coag and Kush both. Which is why they get lynched all the time, they're awful. So who do you think is scum? Sent? Why weren't you pushing him harder? Like you are not trying to figure out your cell, your just trying to not die and hiding behind the fact that Coag deserves to get lynched. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:50 getmoript wrote: Ignore ScumRayn and TownRayn. Read Steve's filter and come to a conclusion. I am not ignoring crucial info. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote: No no and no. This is wrong, period. You don't lynch anyone with the end game in mind in this setup, I think that's clear. I'll push for a lynch on you when our time comes if you keep going with this logic. How can you not get that this is criminal? This is the post you wanted me to see and comment on? facepalm Sigh. Steve I truly thought you were a better player than this ) : Scum know they can win certain cells over others. Thats not planning for an endgame because they literally dont know what the end game is (they cant be sure that theyll secure the order until they actually have) they merely know which cells to focus on. | ||
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On April 05 2014 03:53 getmoript wrote: You know, I think after this game is over everyone's going to be going. "Man I was awful, I don't get how I didn't see that X was obviously scum." or "Yah we totes shit the bed in that game hardcore." Like there's some serious irony in me saying, ok let's step back from the emotions, you know like read filters and analyze people. No, after this game is over, we are going to celebrate. Because we are going to win. This kind of weird defeatist attitude is so odd out of you Geript 0_0 | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:00 Steveling wrote: And you are telling me that you do know which cells are gonna be won? I don't get it, are you scumclaming? lmao No, I am telling you that I think Palmer and Rayn are scum, and if two of the best players are scum, the scum team will want to win those cells at any cost. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:04 Steveling wrote: I don't know about palmar but if you want to lynch me tomorrow, be my guests. Town will be most probably 1 point away from losing after that. I dont wanna lynch you Steve ) : your town, Rayn is scum, he is one of the best scum players on tl. Do you really think I'm scum Steve? Seriusly? I know your town, because if you were scum all you would have to do is call Rayn scum and your in the clear, the fact that you still suspect me proves to me your town and not just looking to survive. I KNOW your town now, so I know Rayn is scum, and Rayn's behaviur with sent and coag is not scum on scum. His behaviur twoards Palmer is. Open your eyes, lynch Palmer, kill me if it doesn't profit. | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote: this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question! Holy, do you see Rayn bieng as sympathetic yet resigned to lynch as he was to Coag if they were scum together? As for Sent, he does nothing to even remotely help him survive his cell and sent is a perfectly good ally / : so theres no reason to abandon him like Rayn did. He clearly favours Palmer, does that not mean anything? Is it that unlikely that they're both scum? | ||
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On April 05 2014 04:50 Holyflare wrote: gg =/ OK but you do at least see my point? If I am town, which I am(Rayns a phony!) it's far more likely Rayn is scum than Steve to me, and Rayn's interactions with Palmer are the only ones that seem Scum on scumish. Doth though agree? | ||
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But I am town mate ) : why go after Plamar if I'm scum? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:01 Holyflare wrote: umm he's not a phony he literally told me because he was mad at you so... whatever i'm just going to ignore your attempts If Rayn is actually town he doesnt know what I am / : only way he knows my alignment is if hes scum and then I cant be scum. Especially because he was null on me when he quit, how would he know what I am? Why put so much faith in a angry player who is clearly mad at me and shouldn't know my alignment? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:08 Palmar wrote: By everything you mean everything except call me mafia for anything I have posted myself. Hell, you haven't even considered the possibility that if rayn is mafia he might simply have been calling me town because he knows I tend to lynch people that call me scum. But that would obviously not fit your agenda, so let's just disregard it! Eh, I'll get to your actual filter eventually, theres alot to read there / : | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:11 Steveling wrote: I find it extremely hilarious that while sentinel was typing that post about gumshoe lying trying to manipulate situations, you did it again with this, lol Anyway present a case with solid points first, not " OMG X SHOULD BE TOWN, SO Y IS SCUM, SO LETS MISSLYNCH TO GET INFO FOR THE LATEGAME " . Ok Steve, well vote for who you want today : D if they are scum, you can lynch me whenever. This town is too dumb to hear me out and I'm too bad to convince them so lets just kill Coag because hes Coag, or murder Sent because his play is almost identical to yours (in the sense that he was catching up and wasn't totally confident, or that he was worried about his cell) | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:19 Holyflare wrote: What the fuck is this. YOU GUYS JUST MADE A CASE SAYING STEVE WAS SCUM!! They are different players 0_0 Holy answer this question. If Rayn is actually town he doesnt know what I am / : only way he knows my alignment is if hes scum and then I cant be scum. Especially because he was null on me when he quit, how would he know what I am? Why put so much faith in a angry player who is clearly mad at me and shouldn't know my alignment? Why cant Steve be scum, provided your not lying? Also wtf am I supposed to believe? Rayn didnt pm me with illegal information, so how is wierd for me to assume hes scum for scum claiming? Something you believed as well? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:28 Steveling wrote: Hi, I see you are new in this thread. Steve, Rayn told Holy that I'm scum and thats why hes not listening to me. Do you know why this makes no sense? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:34 Steveling wrote: This is not the first few hours of the game gumshoe, you are not making me do your work. For all I know you may by waiting for an answer to grab onto. Explain and if it makes sense, I'll listen. If Rayn pmed Holy that I am scum, it makes no sense, because if rayn is town, he doesnt know my alignment and at his time of leaving he was virtually null on me. If Rayn is scum and lying, then I cant be scum and it doesnt seem like something either of them would lie about if scum(holy cause it risks a modkill, rayn cause I dont think hes THAT mad at me) So one of us is scum : D | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:38 Steveling wrote: I find it particularly funny how you ignore today's cell just to make excuses for youself. You are lying : D | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:40 Steveling wrote: Can you not get yourself modkilled tonight? Thanks. Im not the one who aired private info into the thread, just the one whose using it : P | ||
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1: I have commented plenty on Palmer Coag and Sent, you people have turned that into I am scum, that is the only reason we are rehashing old arguments 2: It is in the thread now, if the host wants to stop the game cause it's ruined or something he can do that, if Holy admits he lying or some shit like that I'll take that into consideration, but I will not ignore info purely because it threatens scum :D | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:44 Holyflare wrote: ? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town How do you know his alignment? When did he tell you? | ||
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So your just full of shit : D good to know. Ok never mind all that. ##Vote Plamar | ||
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How? Im not, so you can understand why I'm curios as to your source : D How is Coag best lynch? What has he done this game thats any different from his standard? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:53 Steveling wrote: No, let's vote palmar so if he's town after all we can win from there the rest of the game ez. That's your argument gum. If you had something to say I'd listen, I think I displayed that when raynkoshi were after you. But you only make stuff up and say scummy things. So youll vote palmar : D you mean it? | ||
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On April 05 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote: Shhhhhh Ok then, so the point still stands, If Rayn is town, he doesnt know what I am, if Rayn is scum, I cant be. ##Unvote Palmer | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:05 Steveling wrote: You seem to tread ryankoshi as confirmed scum or not however it fits you gum. I like how an unflipped player's state of mind means that you are town and after this Pythagorean argument you end up unvoting on another cell. But you thought of them as scum before and you even pushed for a no lynch in our cell, xDDDDDD. I thought Rayn was scum for claiming. If Rayn is scum only his interactions with Palmar makes sense for scum on scum. If Rayn is town that argument doesn't matter. Call it as covinient as you like : D | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote: please don't imply this HF, this is dumb. He is, which means I was wrong : D yay you. | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:09 Steveling wrote: He townclaimed after he scumclaimed. Yet again you pick what you like. Nope, I thought the town claim was him going "oh shit" it all seemed scummy to me. | ||
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Holyflare has his reasons for believing whatever he wants, at least he's firm on them. You on the other hand gum, well, I don't need to explain.[/QUOTE [quote] There is not a single chance rayn is town and claims scum to say "Holyflare haha"[/quote] Holyflare was dead set on Rayn bieng scum after rayns modkill, he then changes his mind and claims rayn told him and shushes you when you suggest it was by pm. Rayn has not typed in thread since the modkill, Ergo, the only way rayn could convince Holy hes town is via pm. So Holyflare either got a pm from Rayn or hes lying, which I doubt and also If he got a pm from Rayn, that in no way confirms me as scum. What does confirm me red in his eyes is that he believe Rayn(as he should if Rayn really pmed him, as I dont see rayn being that bitter as scum), and thinks you are mod confirmed. Therefore I am scum by process of elimination. But that only stands if you are truly mod comfirmed, a proposition that has dubios worth. There is only on exchange in which steve was acknowledged by the mods. [QUOTE]On April 03 2014 02:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [QUOTE]On April 03 2014 02:37 Steveling wrote: Can the mods speak up on this matter?[/quote] Please send in questions through PM's. Future questions that are not PMed will result in an instant modkill. If we believe it is necessary to address something, we will.[/QUOTE] Holy, how does this exchange mod confirm Steve? Is it cause hes not killed? Or he asks the question in the first place? Can you clear this matter up once and for all? | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:31 Steveling wrote: Omg, you picked the right time for a wrongly formatted post. Can you format it properly at least? I want to sleep. ok XD | ||
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So Holyflare either got a pm from Rayn or hes lying, which I doubt and also If he got a pm from Rayn, that in no way confirms me as scum. What does confirm me red in his eyes is that he believe Rayn(as he should if Rayn really pmed him, as I dont see rayn being that bitter as scum), and thinks you are mod confirmed. Therefore I am scum by process of elimination. But that only stands if you are truly mod comfirmed, a proposition that has dubios worth. There is only on exchange in which steve was acknowledged by the mods. Steve: Can the mods speak up on this matter. Artanis: Please send in question through pms. Future questions that are not pmed will result in an instant modkill. If we believe it is necessary to adress something, we will Holy, how does this exchange mod confirm Steve? Is it cause hes not killed? Or he asks the question in the first place? Can you clear this matter up once and for all? | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:33 Steveling wrote: You are not editing your post right? I am : P its done. | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:41 Steveling wrote: Gumshoe you are confirmed scum for this. First of all it's impossible to not understand that rayn answered HF through this thread and not pm. You made that up. Second it's impossible to not notice that he got modkilled for the language. Gratz. Cya tomorrow guys. Lol. Where does he answer Holy? Why didnt holy agree with him then? How does Holy know rayn wasnt lying? | ||
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On April 05 2014 06:41 Steveling wrote: Gumshoe you are confirmed scum for this. First of all it's impossible to not understand that rayn answered HF through this thread and not pm. You made that up. Second it's impossible to not notice that he got modkilled for the language. Gratz. Cya tomorrow guys. I never said he didnt get modkilled for laguage 0_0 wtf are you talking about Steve? How does that prove your mod confirmed? How is holy so sure of your alignment? | ||
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I wanna be this guy But honestly Im more like this gal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:08 Steveling wrote: No that's that not an answer. You said , explain. If you are not bothered to play the game and read you should do something else with your time. The burden is on the prosecution to provide evidence, you have yet to make a case on me or elaborate beyond the point of "lol, he makes no sense therefore scum" this is extremely narrow of you, people think mafia is a game of reason and accusations, but far more so than that it was one of empathy. You have played a game where I made batshit arguments and no one listened to me right up until the end ( also because players like you as scum consitentley slandered everything I said, shall I dredge up those old filters Steve? )I was town of course / : this is your only experience playing with me, and yet this game you assert that I am scum for the same reason I was town in all my other games. That said, it doesn't matter, I've solved the game. I went back to the drawing board and realized Palmer and holy aren't scum just because they are wrong on me, and everything else in their filters is fine anyways. No, I've found the one piece of evidence to put everything in perspective and no ones even mentioned it yet : D. We lynch coag today. | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:41 Steveling wrote: I will explain it in one liners like I do towards my toddler nephew. You made an argument, the "lots of people" thing. I don't recall it being true thus asking you to prove it. To which you answer with Getript, why are you so defensive, that's the 2nd time you assume I'm scumclaiming you. What's wrong? You will not convince anyone with angry one liners, the sooner you make a formal case on me, with all your arguments together, the better. If we are both town ( a possibility no one should rule out until holy starts making sense for once) this thread spam is killing the game. I'm not going to keep trading like this, it only benefits scum. So please, make your case, get it out of you system and realize I am playing no diffrent than that one we fought in ages ago. Like im asking you as a human being here man, I'm trying to think how I can get through to you but your just putting up a huge wall to reinforce your bias ) : | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:41 Steveling wrote: I will explain it in one liners like I do towards my toddler nephew. You made an argument, the "lots of people" thing. I don't recall it being true thus asking you to prove it. To which you answer with Getript, why are you so defensive, that's the 2nd time you assume I'm scumclaiming you. What's wrong? Umm I'm not Geript. Also I'm really getting pissed at people saying your mod confirmed, or I scum claimed, when These things just don't honestly happen o - o so yes I'm upset, because people are telling me I'm scum and there's nothing I can do to change that when it is not the truth. Weren't you were super pissed when things were turned on you for what you felt were dumb reasons, why don't I have the right to be? | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:49 Steveling wrote: How did you not notice it, I say "getript" right there. I swear half of you people don't even read. I noted it later on Doesn't read Accuses people of not reading. | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:52 Steveling wrote: Yes gumshoe I was upset for something I thought was game breaking no matter my alignment. You are mad because people are on you for totally legit reasons, wrong/right? That remains to be seen but don't put your situation up with mine. Getript I won't respond to you until you answer my question. Holy flare thinks I'm scum because rayn told him so and your mod confirmed ( somehow)0 - o rayn turned on you because I swore on my life. Those two things are in the same room man, not even level. Please for the love of mafia stop trying to win an argument and start trying to win. | ||
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On April 05 2014 23:56 Steveling wrote: You made a sizeable post without noticing it. Then I realise that since I was waiting getripts response I jumped the gun with your name. Then I tell you exactly that. Then you post like all of this never happened. >.< Why are you so blood thirsty? Do you refuse to concede a single point ever? The fact you feel the need to defend a dumb mistake that means nothing towards your alignment should be a red alarm man o-o you are just trying to win, not trying to see if it's the right battle your fighting. Chill out, take a step back man. Why couldn't rayn have been scum? | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:06 Steveling wrote: Because of your posts yesterday? If you read me you will see that I still wasn't sure about ryan until yesterday night. That's just it! I went out of my way to do retarded moves, when I already had my cell locked down, there is no reason to attack Palmert I that situation, I did it because I thought rayn was scum ( as I still do) it is suicide to play that way, if this were a normal game I'd be lynched, if our cell was first I'd be lynched. I attacked plam because rayn was iffy on the other two in palms cell, but I've figured it out now : D I know the truth of this cell , can you guess what it is? | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:09 getmoript wrote: I'll explain why you're wrong when I get home. I look forward to it : D | ||
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He thinks I'm wring about rayn ) : but I'm not, because you have no scum motive to push me like this, our lynch is unpredictable it could go either way, why throw yourself into that spot if your cellie wants to a no lynch? I don't think your THAT arrogant Steve, therefore rayn has to be scum. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:15 Steveling wrote: And since you asked this twice. 1.Because you defend yourself from a simple question I made without hinting at all that you are scum. 2.Read the thread pls. 3.Where's this coming from, I don't remember. Steve can I ask a favour? If someone asks you to rehash something, quote or rehash it, and please stop bieng hostile, it makes interactions difficult. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:19 Steveling wrote: Honestly, I don't take getript srsly. They had crap posts early game. Now for reasons unknown he made a 180. If he's scum he's very lucky to have ceph in his cell because it makes more sense to lynch him I think. Geript isn't scum, and I don't take him too seriously either XD though I admit there are times when you ignore him at your own peril cause the guy seems to have a bit of an instinct for scum ( if he's town) Geript was the goat in his cell, rayn wanted him lynched. Btw that's the clue to da treasure if you feel like filter diving XD | ||
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At least read the last couple of pages if you don't want to waste much time... .Read the thread pls. If you are not bothered to play the game and read you should do something else with your time. You see this gumshoe? This is a person who just skimmed through some pages and he already talks more sense than you. Hi, I see you are new in this thread. | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:25 Steveling wrote: Right, what did you mean earlier? One post in this game proves Geript is town, Palmer is town, Holy is town and that Coag and possibly Mdern are scum. The post is also the reason why Rayn exploded. It's not too hard to find : P | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:30 Steveling wrote: Oh do you mean the 2nd question he made? Anyone who read the thread knows that, all day yesterday we talked about it. It's his job to keep up. If it was something simple I'd provide it, np. Eh, fair enough, just dont get Geript angry, seriously, tl mafia nearly exploded when he last got angry T_T | ||
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On April 06 2014 00:31 Steveling wrote: 4 of those quotes are towards getript literally 1 page back for reasons I explained above. Tell me what you meaned earlier with this question noone thought of and the treasure and stuff. You really want the truth ? (goddamit didn't this exact line get you in trouble last time Gumshoe? T_T FUCK IT im milking this moment!) | ||
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On April 06 2014 01:13 Steveling wrote: You realise him and you arrived at 2 completely different conclusions? And I refuse to comment on your other post. Actually I'm doing brain surgery on him, hes not taking it well / : Quarter done the big one. | ||
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On April 06 2014 01:24 getmoript wrote: Well stop with your big one... I don't want to get the plunger to unstop the toilet again. Seriously, Gum. You have me as town. I'm making a 100% townread on Rayn no backsies. Like, it didn't click until I started putting the pieces together last night when I was trying to sleep ( I should've slept instead of staying up), but this is exactly why Rayn was mad. He even has like a big post on it. Him and I have talked about this before, I've just been to tunneled and stupid. Like, I'm going to be dead on that day, there will be 8 players. You will NEED TO VOTE FOR STEVE!!!!! Geript, it's best if people hear it out, it's not some bullshit meta argument again, it's legit wierd / : if it's wrong, I'm sure town will just shut me down like they've done so competently all game long XD No more posts from me till I'm done. | ||
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Im getting ahead of myself though, if steve is scum he is pushing for a highly volatile lynch that could backfire on him, for the sake of a townie whose up for lynch today (basically he is forfeiting this cell to make ours a coinflip, when hes already won it via a no lynch) so I am assuming inspite of holy and his crap that Rayn is scum / : which makes this in particular post quite interesting. Game cracking in fact. Okay guys i am soon off for most likely for the rest of the phase. My suggestion for group order: First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk) Last 2 groups in whatever order: (HF/Plammer - i would suggest HF first) I know Palmar is not gonna like this most likely but i think we don't need to play after D3 anyways so... I'll be here for another hour and i am not sure if Koshi is gonna come back. I don't care who is mayor but that's my suggestion. Lemme know what you guys think. ~rayn (Take note of the bolded for later, it'll seem quite funny then). This was the order Rayn proposed before he left and came back to Koshi's order. It's actually quite fishy / :. Now seems like a good time to go over the 2 clashing town philosophies that have been at play this game regarding the cell order. 1: The fastest victory possible: This is achieved by putting the group with the clearest townies forward. This also has the advantage of leaving the hardest groups for last, so that the most information is at their disposal. 2: Keeping the best townies for last: The Notion that if you lynch the clearly townie groups first and your wrong, then those townies are gone and can no longer sway the game. Rayn comes to a sort of weird compromise of these ideas with his selection, He puts his group at the head, despite the fact that he is not really certain at this time whose scum between me and steve. there was something gumshoe said. he said "it's cheating if i am town but if i am scum it's not" - sounds scummy. a bit earlier he said this on Steve Just going to say this is really mafia-esque thinking. Whats more, Koshi was of two minds as well. Heres a fairly fresh mafia list of his. Koshi says: Steveling (only trying to win his group currently) alakaslam (trust rayn) geript (imo not good reads, cav shares them and I don't understand why) Coag (Other 2 town) Make HF his group last. On me. gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ? dafuq? There is so much turmoil in this group, it is the heart of this game and opinions could not be more divided on it. Yet...Rayn puts it first? Why? It fits neither town order mentality, in terms of 1) it is still a tossup and possible mislynch according to rayn and Koshi themselves and in terms of 2) it immediately removes Rayn and to a lesser degree steve and me, players who have all been active and fairly useful. Overall this group choice is just extremely confusing. The next two groups arent as much bad as they are odd. I dont think there was much consensus on what to do with Geript and Slam's groups. In fact the least amount of discussion has been spent on these two, question, how is Rayn not certain about his own group(the one hes supposed to read best), but has a perfect read on the two most obscure groups of the game? Especially when hes been iffy on Geript all game long -_- ( in fact he really seems to treat him as a dumb townie, not scum,) And speaking of reads geript. You have one scumread (me) and one townread (gumshoe). Both of the reads are based on bad reasoning. Apparently you have a scumread on prplhz (noone knows why). Do you really think it's fair for you to call prplhz out for not having any reads? Because to be honest you don't have many reads and the few you have are based on bad reasoning. Geript can you now finally tell us why you think prplhz is mafia? I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. (fun fact, it seems Rayn's main issue with Geript is that he reads Prplz as scum, I get the sense that if Geript was willing to lynch Ceph... perhaps Rayn would be more than willing to follow through with that XD) As for Slam, I suggest we lynch Cell 4 first. Alakaslam is mafia. You can take this as a fact regardless of my & geript's alignment because we are clearly not both mafia, if one of us is mafia they are bussing because we know how the other one reads Slam and if we are both town the read is genuine either way. If there is one thing i agree with geript it's that Slam is scum. Take a good long look at this, this right here is the shittiest argument Rayn has made all game long. He is suggesting that because they cant both be mafia and they both find slam scum, Slam is therefore scum. Umm what if one of you is scum and the other is wrong on Slam? Heres are some other brilliant arguments on why Slam is scum. Not happy. Happy Slam is town, sad Slam is mafia. Slam is the easiest player on planet to read based on tone. Does his tone look like his town game? I find it REALLY HARD to believe you jsut gnore this juicy way of making reads here where it actually would matter. I have one nice thing i wanna try: Alakaslam, are you mafia? i promise you all geript is mafia. i promise you all slam is mafia. Stevelings and gentlemens, I present to you, Rayn's 100 percent scum reads... Now, as for the 4 and fifth slot! We have Holy and Palmers groups. Rayn confidently read Palmer and Holy as town. Palmar is quite obviously town. I am good at reading him. As scum he does not read the thread, he just doesn't give a fuck about properly reading the thread. He sticks to his policies (lynch lurkers, lynch liars, etc etc..) and makes weak cases. He does not think about motivation behind what people say. mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight. There is wide consensus that Holy and Palmar are town and that coag and Mdern are pretty scummy, making these two probably the easiest groups to pass, so why is it that Rayns order puts us in a position where we can lose before we hit the groups that are most clear? His slam and geript reads are very personal and not too well regarded, his own cell is in utter chaos and would benefit immensely from certain flips, yet he puts that one first? The clearest two last? What is going on here? He cant even claim to want them around till the end cause they're good, because hes trying to eliminate himself right away and his goal is to win in the first three days... The sad truth is, there is a third motivation at play. If scum were somehow able to gain control of the order, what would they want? Nothing less than what town does, to end the game in three days. In fact they would want it more, because that would reduce the amount of information town has for crucial lynches, which would happen sooner. So scum would likely try to make sure the groups that they are confident can win go first. Thats why Palmar and Holy were to go last, because they immediately turn their respective cells into an extremely risky proposition for scum. In other words if Rayn is scum he is trying to win the game without ever dealing with the two most town favoured cells. Palmers cell especially because Rayn wanted him to go last, (probably because Coag is scum and has good odds of bieng lynched, which is why we should stick to Coag today). Alot more info can be derived from purely this bit, but I feel I've covered the important stuff, so next up... I know what your all thinking "gumshoe! this is fine and all, actually scratch that, this is not fine at all, your full of shit! As per usual! Why are you giving us even more meta garbage? You've already provided more than enough of that! Dammit, why cant we just lynch you today T_T" Actually, I have proof : D Koshi, what did you piuck? Who is mayor? Holyflare did you do this? ~rayn KOSHI WHAT THE FUCK?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?!"!"µl,öfedklögfdbhgfd f7ucking fuck you fuck,öfges fuck you koshi you fuck For the past day or so, we've all obsessed over wether or not his scum claim was for real, but we've been looking at the wrong portion of his explosion, why does Rayn detonate like this when he sees the new order? Lets compare the two shall we? Rayn Gum Steve Geript prplz cephiro slam balla lsb Holy mdern tehpoofter Palmar coag sentinel vs Palmar coag centinel Geript prplz cephiro Rayn gum steve Holy mdern tehpoofter Slam balla LSB Two notable changes standout here, the first, is that rayns group is now third, therefore it is more likely to get the info it needs to lynch effectively. I dont think Rayn would be THAT bothered about that though. The second more notable change, is that palmar and slam where swapped... remember what Rayns primary preference was? First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk) Lets assume your scum Rayn, if your plan was to take out these three groups first and avoid holy and palmar all together, would that plot not be utterly ruined? If Palmar wins his group as scum seem to suspect he will, that guarantees that we go to Holys group... another cell town is likely to win! If your town Rayn, what are you mad about? All thats changed is you get to play longer and Slam is a bit out of reach, and you can still totally win on 3 or 4 provided you make the right read / : theres scum in every cell after all. The new order is clearly a marked improvement and manages to balance out the two town order sentiments rather well. Rayn and holy are around till day 3-4, so there wisdom remains for awhile, but at the same time you can count on their cells certainly coming up (as well as Palmers, who is first because thats when he claims hes at his best). On the other hand, the scum advantage is now utterly ruined, Palmar and as a result probally Holy's cells are likely to come up. Thereby ruining scums best shot at winning this game. TLDR Rayn made an order that could benefit scum (if hes scum) and is silly if hes town, when that order was changed to work better for town, but in exchange completely trashed that potential scum advantage, Rayn became livid and possibly launched a volley of crazy bullshit to throw us off the relevant portion of his anger. So what can we can take from this? Rayn was banking on his own cell, slams and geripts, to win the game. So those people are probally town / : and those we were likely to lynch in holy and Palmers cells are likely scum. So yeah, lets just kill Coag XD if hes actually scum this will come into play again later, but thats the first step for now. There is of course one issue with all this. Why did Koshi defy Rayn? Whose to say, maybe he felt itd be a bit to on the nose, fearing they might get immediately lynched / : maybe they werent communicating properly? Seemed like they missed eachother alot. Whatever Koshi's motive was, it doesn't change how scummy Rayns out burst was, not because he was mad , but because of what he was mad at. | ||
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On April 06 2014 03:52 Steveling wrote: Woah, I thought you drowned in the fountain of knowledge. Good to know you are safe. Reading now. I did, Gum the shoe is dead, I am Gum the white! I have come back to you at the turning of the tides : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote: gumshoe bullshitting at 120% Do you just sit there waiting for someone to call you out XD my god its uncanny. | ||
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On April 06 2014 04:07 Palmar wrote: Also did sentinel just check out when it started looking like a coag lynch? I think it's alot easier for him to just check out than say you / : because when the choice is between a try hard Palmar and Coag... glhf. But yeah wouldn't mind hearing some of his last will and testament. | ||
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On April 06 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote: Alright gum, I read it very carefully. Because that thought about koshi messing with the cell order and then ryan being mad about it is actually legit. But... this is just your fantasy. This is what your argument boils down into If it comes down to it, with the way you played this game, I'll take HF's and Palmar's word over yours. Because that's what you are saying, you are asking for a vote of confidence in your hypothesis. You haven't earned it, sorry. Judge the argument on its own merit, in that first game we played, It was only at the end that I figured things out / : and of course, by that point no one listened to me. Earned, townie, scummie, bad, sloppy, in the end there is only wrong or right. The winners and the losers. So Don't ignore a convincing argument on my behalf XD Also if we're both town, then my argument is effectively true ( because rayns scum and wanted this order and was mad to not get it) / : you know what you are, Ive stated my reasons for believing in you, so the question stands, would I go so far Steve? Would I spend hours writing this case? Would I swear on my life? Rayns not around anymore, this isn't a you or me Scenario we can work together ) :. Also what I say isn't neccecairely contradicting palmar, and I'm upset you value holys word over mine, considering he doesn't give a shit about this game ) : like, there's a 50 percent chance I'm town to you, which means there's a 50 percent shot I've been right about a lot and that theres has been an active effort to discredit me ( which is likely cause 33 percent of us are scum) why are you so reluctant to consider what's so obvious? | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:11 Steveling wrote: I'm not blindly sheeping people. Or rather, I may sheep if I find their filters towny. HF is green for me and Palmar is the least scummier in his cell. That's according to my own opinion on them. You on the other hand are scummy. Raynkoshi as I said made sense except 2 instances, the oath and the modkill. I considered them as scum after that but your play is so scummy that you turned me over again, lol. I simply value their word more in this game. Again, this is not an argument, this is a guess. It is not a guess, it is not. I have argued why your town, how the fuck does rayns order make sense if he thinks holy and palmar are town? Why is he so angry? You don't have to sheep me, just accept that I'm not scum and my whoe argument makes sense. i don't play like this as scum, do you want me to link my scum games? Do you want me to beg? Why are so resolved on us fighting each other just because I'm not as good as palmar and holy? Two of the very best on tl? | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:13 Steveling wrote: From me denying that we are both town you concluded that I scumslipped? xD I find you scummy mby? I don't understand how you can find me scum. You have played a game where I was discredited in the same manner as this one, my meta doesn't match my scum games, I have played absolutely retarded and assholish if I am scum. I cannot accept that you are so heartless, thick and have such a low opinion of me. | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote: I vote for scum Lol, this is the opinion you value more than mine Steve. I can see why you think I'm scum now : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:21 Steveling wrote: Why are you taking it to personal level? I was the only one to stand up for you in the early game and you totally let me down. Your game is scummy, period. I am completely taking this personally, you are calling my game scummier than someone who got drunk and scum claimed... And who switched onto you at a dime. Wtf | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:22 Steveling wrote: And why are you arguing over this now. 2 cells are for lynch before ours, are you nervous that I turned against you? No, I'm just pissed that I can't get through to you T-T I feel helpless. | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:23 Holyflare wrote: It's simple rayn is scum. He called me town when i wasn't even doing anything. That's rayn scum buddy thing. Yay : D so what's your sent case? If rayn is scum, he was clearly worried about this group, but I don't see how sent could get lynched over coag, / : so what be your basis? | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:26 Steveling wrote: Don't make up stuff again, see, this is why you are scummy. It's very clear that I immediately turned against ryankoshi, I scumclaimed them and made a case against them. You alone, managed to turn my opinion with your posting after these incidents. HF and Palmar's opinion weighted some but I still wasn't sure until yesterday. So, don't say that I didn't suspect them cause that's a lie. EXACTLY I did things that could only result in people finding me scummy. I did them because I thought I could find scum that way T-T what's my motive? Shits and giggles? | ||
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On April 06 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote: My case is the fact sentinel is scum But why ) : | ||
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Again, this is coag, I would not stick my neck out for him under and circumstance as scum. Rayn wanted this lynch as far away from him as possible which also hints that coag is scum, sent has no reason to hesitate on this lynch, he gets to choose between you and coag o-o I dare say that is the easiest choice anyone is going to make this game so he's not overtly scummy for not hesitating. This is a bad call ) : | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:18 Palmar wrote: I don't listen to arguments that assume rayn was mafia. Then listen to your heart palmar ) : what does it say. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:21 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Yes. But all I can give is my word on that one, right? I'm frustrated because after all this time I'm about to die one way or another and I'm back at square one. I can have my own thoughts but I don't have anything concrete to pin anyone on after all this time. I'm predicting this scumteam: gumshoe, Holyflare, Coag, getmoript, Cephiro HF + Coag I'm sure about. gum I'm still convinced although I can't think of a concrete way to counter getmoript's argument. Ceph i'm mildly sure because his play reminds me of Noir. Lurking except when he really needed to get something in. getmoript is a coinflip, I have no fucking clue about cell 4. But I don't like him so I'm biased for once. Lol, yes I'm defending you cause I'm scum right : D can no one fucking read me?Am I that much of an enigma? Let me spell it out for you all. Town gum tries or lurks. Scum gum lurks. End of story. Please can we lynch coag? | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:23 prplhz wrote: sentinel getript and ceph same cell? Huh. That is a valid point XD | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You're sucking up to me so I don't think you're scum. You literally started defending me after I said you're not scum but rather bad town when everyone thought you're scum. With. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:38 Palmar wrote: If I am mafia why don't I just shut the fuck up and take the coag lynch everyone was on cruise control towards. Kinda like you were doing. Thank you at least, for confirming this. Save the rage for the flip Palmer, you are your own worst enemy after all. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:40 Steveling wrote: Ahhh, can't make sense of this. You arrived at the conclusion that coag was scum on your own, you hate sleeping don't you? So just trust yourself : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:48 Steveling wrote: Fuck. ##unvote ##vote: Coagulation Thank you for not being bad : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:49 Coagulation wrote: gumshoe is scum. town couldnt be this bad Lol, how many times have I heard that XD I should make it into a drinking game. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:50 Coagulation wrote: steveling gj saving scum pal. Ummm. Didn't you just call me scum? We can't both be People coag is full of it, he hasn't cared about reads or scum all game. Dudes just hiding behind his rep so he doesn't die. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:52 Steveling wrote: One of the rare moments that gum makes sense. I always make sense, I just think on another level : P people, look around you, the activity skyrocketed the moment holy switched. This a sloppy train from scum. Don't fall for it. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:52 Coagulation wrote: i didnt call him scum are u daft. town can save scum if they are dumb. flail more lmfao You called them scum pals 0_0 now stop wriggling dinner AND GET IN MY BELLY | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:56 Palmar wrote: The reason he's being killed is because I decided he should be killed. Mafia has nothing to do with it. Didnt you call Holy scum? Isnt he the one who started all this? Why you lie bro, also why you so blind to the flurry of red ribbons all around, dont know what to say (mderg, prplz, lsb, ect) | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:58 Coagulation wrote: DID YOU FUCKING IDIOTS NOT JUST SEE WHAT GUM DID TO SAVE SENTI? HAHAHAHAHHAH its so funny to see how mad you are XD why you care Coag? werent you the guy who hammered himself in extractor? | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:03 Palmar wrote: screw it. Sentinel seems to have no interest in returning to the thread, no one is batting an eye at lynching coag. ##Unvote ##Vote Sentinel If you're mafia coag I am policy lynching you every game. | ||
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I HAVE NEVER SAID SCUM PAL IN MY LIFE LOL[/QUOTE Coag. [quote]steveling gj saving scum pal.[/quote] | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:59 Coagulation wrote: PAL WAS SEPERATE IN A HEY BUDDY MANNER NOT "SCUM PAL" LOL your saying chill hangs with him for beers on fridays XD | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:56 Palmar wrote: The reason he's being killed is because I decided he should be killed. Mafia has nothing to do with it. Umm, does that sound weird to anyone else? Now I'm just wondering, if Palmar was scum, why did Rayn want his group last... Also Holy, if you agree with me, you know whose scum in this group right? | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:14 Steveling wrote: HOLY CRAP I REALISED SOMETHING UPON READING THIS Coag lost by 1 vote right? But we all thought that sentinel was gonna get lynched because we thought my vote on him was legit. Turns out it was exactly on 00:00 so it wasn't. AND HERE'S THE THING, SENTINEL VOTED ON HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS MAD FROM GETTING BUS'D!!!! AND HE DID THAT BEFORE MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY A SCUM WOULD DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO IF HES NOT SCUM AND COAG IS NOT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG PALMAR 0_0 | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: shit gumshoe, what you did was cool. but kinda..... ugh... :/ well nvm, you got it. Palmar gogogo"!½! | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:19 Steveling wrote: I had to make sure I wasn't imagining things, lol. After I posted it I looked at your posts and I was like, fuck me. Still find me scummy? If you still do I aint even man, thats amazing. | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:21 getmoript wrote: Look gumshoe. Plz stop being bad. Like that's just Palmer being Palmer. Palmer was town. Sent was scum. The split between the vote proves it. Ceph coming in just to vote on the wrong wagon only adds to that fact. Like STAAAAAAHHHHHPPPPP Umm steveling has actually proved niether Sent or coag was scum, so I may be bad, but im not wrong for once : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:22 gumshoe wrote: Still find me scummy? If you still do I aint even man, thats amazing. man=mad | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:26 getmoript wrote: I'm actually kind of lost. Why exactly does everyone think Palmar was scum? Because a lot of the shit I wanted to say about the other two is in regards to people being weird about the first lynch. ~Cav The vote was tied, and didnt go to sent by 1 vote I believe... in spite of the fact that sents vote was on himself... If sent is scum he is balls out insane. | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:27 Steveling wrote: No gumshoe, bffe pls. <3 Fak rayn and palmar they think they so mighty that could play us all like that. : D | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:35 getmoript wrote: No I refuse to believe that any town is stupid enough to vote for themselves. Like I really can't imagine that ever happening. My reasons for calling Sent scum were good. Palmer was willing to sheep me which makes me happy and him probably town. Palmer giving me such a confident but questioning townread makes him town. Like there is literally no reason to believe anyone but Sent was scum. Umm, did you see how coag played twoards the end? Townies play bad all the time, in a lynch that close, what sent did makes no sense. Most logical explanation is that he made an emotional call cause he didnt know how to convince town. If hes scum his play is equally as bad though / : why is town magically immune to shit play when all evidence suggests the contrary XD. | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:36 getmoript wrote: Hell did you see how many times his reads changed at the end. Like his first list of scumreads had both Ceph and me as scum. Like WTF. Then when you read that post it's even more full of total WTF. I don't think Sent is great as town, but I refuse to believe that he is that incapable or stupid as town. Like that's not in his game. Generally, when it comes between Dumb or Scum it's often more correct to assume the latter than the former. And everyone else had super tight reads? It was a desperate final struggle, where he worked against himself XD. Also, if he was scum, he was saved by 1 vote(also his vote was on him...)... you think rayn was town right? So 4 scum were already on the coag wagon? Or left him out to dry on that close a lynch? Cmon geript, its easier to believe one dude was incompetent town rather than a whole scum team was playing things that loose. Most likely possibility is that the scum had total freedom this lynch, because it was a vote between 2 townies / : which is why so many scummy people (mdern, prplz(OH SNAP)) were apathetic : D. | ||
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On April 06 2014 09:43 getmoript wrote: So we should stop trying to reason things out and looking for scummy connections? Good to know. ~Cav No im reasoning with you here : D lets arrive at the truth together k? | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:07 getmoript wrote: Palmer is dead. Rayn is effectively dead. Your vote belongs to me or else you're scum. Holy number 1 power rank baby, all our votes belong to him : D even scums. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote: meh ##Vote Coagulation He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:34 mderg wrote: I already said that I would post my exact thoughts later on, I just had to leave really fast. getmoript: (I know it´s a hydra, it just sounds strange to use they, so I´ll say he) At the start he actually seems kinda scummy, wanting to policy lynch Holyflare. Also lynching Palmar just to be sure his reads are legit is sacrificing too much. He´s also incredibly focused on becoming mayor and insanely confident. All this doesn´t seem like townie behavior at all What actually makes me think that getmoript is town is the decline in confidence. The reads (especially on cell 1) change really often. The only really consistent read is scum on prplhz. Posts like this don´t really show the confidence that was there early on. This looks like he thought it would be easy to figure the game out and scum were obvious finds. But as the game goes on the reads often change and it looks like they are based on rereading filters, rethinking other options and including new input. Overall I just get this really townie vibe about getmoript as his thoughts about the game are progressing. prplhz: Looks scummy at the start because of the heavy focus on the cell order and wanting to lynch unreadables first (I agreed with him back then but that was stupid). It also seems like he´s nitpicking and sometimes focusing on small details like single words which just aren´t chosen carefully (this may just be my flawed perception). He gets town points for not wanting palmar as first lynch just to know his reads were legit. He´s also pushing others to give their opinions and reads like here: In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible. What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe. Cephiro: basically he only posted two huge walls of text. That in itself doesn´t tell much about his alignment but he certainly didn´t put much effort into this game. He´s saying that he doesn´t like the people discussing the orders in which order the cells should be lynched. He himself is also discussing the lynch order, though. The major difference being that he´s discussing it as direct responses to posts where the order is discussed. He´s very focused on emphasizing the importance of getting reads from everyone, especially those who´ll be lynched first but he provides almost no reads himself. Like he is just repeating what he knows is good townplay without actually doing it himself. It seems like he tried to stay under the radar in his cell while getmoript and prplhz are fighting each other and hoping one of them gets lynched in the process. In the midst of a vote thats happening RIGHT now, Mderg sees fit to post a wall of text regarding the next cell and barely acknowledges the shit storm going on in thread 0_0 this is because to Mderg, this cells result dont matter, so long as it's not palmer he doesnt care. Which is why hes already moved onto the next one. | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:14 getmoript wrote: The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav So why switch onto sent in the first place? JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much. | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:42 LSB wrote: Scum claiming, yelling drunkenly that his split personality is stupid and getting himself modkilled. About to be lynched, helps the wagon by self vote naming everyone voting for you scum. Only in Cell Maifa. Does the bolded not sound bitter to you? This is the scum team btw. Palmer Rayn Prp Mderg Lsb/balla (only cell im not sure on, though pretty confident slam is town) | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:21 getmoript wrote: This is actually good reasoning, I didn't see it that way. Ultimately, this gives us even more reason to sit down and start interrogating prp for his motives behind his voteswitching. I like it. ~Cav YOU SEE THAT MUTHERFUCKERS, REASON AND CIVILTY FOR THE WIN BITCH!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On April 06 2014 06:41 Palmar wrote: Like I've posted most of this stuff before. prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. Purp... you see how things dont look pretty right? | ||
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On April 03 2014 09:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. ~rayn The crux of Rayn vs Geript was that Geript was attacking prplz... | ||
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On April 06 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote: I'm going to reread and make sure this is what happened, we'll talk more at a different time. As for right now, I'm about to go off and do something else for a while. So before I address prp and his wall-of-text, I'd like to ask him one more simple question: Which one of us in this cell is scum, and why? Prp, because rayn, palmer, mderg and balla are all fine with lynching anyone in your cell but him. Rayn: I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. Palmar: prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. Mderg: In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible. What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe. (would just like to not how fucking scummy the bolded is given what we pretty much know) Balla. Why didn't you ask prplhz about it instead of just going ham on it right away? To me it seems pretty obvious what prplhz was saying and I think he WAS taking a stance. But even so, how does him adding the "maybe" qualifier make him scum (why does not taking a stance make him scum)? Townies are unsure all the time, even about setup talk. You're arguing 2 things here from what I can tell 1) Prplhz is scum because he's not taking a stance 2) Prplhz is scum because mayor DOES matter and I disagree with both of them. On this list are effectively two guranteed scum, from hard to soft, the defense of prplz unify the scum team : D he is a beacon of scumminess they can rally around. | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:00 LSB wrote: Not only are associative reads from lynchs horrible we still don't know for sure if [UoN]Sentinal or Palmar is town. Yes there would be no reason for Sentinal to make a jackass of himself before coming in at the end of the scumteam however it is all speculation from there. Now I am saying that before I make my own associative reads. From now on I will say that Rayn was definitively scum. 1) His gumshoe case was weak. I don't think town rayn would spend most of his time tunneling someone and then suddenly drop it on a whim... 2) He claimed scum and got himself modkilled. I am all for policy lynching people who claim scum, especially people who claim scum because they know they are about to be sent to the TL ban list. Rayn and Geript. I cannot fathom how rayn and geript would be on the same scumteam together. The level of acting and interaction would seriously have me question "Do you have a life? Or do you spend all your time pretending to argue?". To me their conversations are far too numerous and far to genuine to be faked. Ceph is lurking far to hard to be readable. I actually don't think this is the first game in which he has done that though... Time to filter prphz If rayn is scum, the only person he liked in coags cell was Palmer / : Palmer likewise KNEW somehow that rayn was town. And They both loved prplz. Yay Constants and variables! Geript isn't scum, he just isn't. Yet rayn banked on winning this cell ( as his chosen orders implied) prplz makes too much sense / : Associative reads have more than a place in this setup / : scum are so limited in their choices, they can't help but reveal themselves / : | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote: We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened. We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now. (Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset.  )~Cav If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching. I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T | ||
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On April 06 2014 11:31 getmoript wrote: Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono Geript, no offence, but I am so happy that I won't have to keep trying trying to convince you after today XD | ||
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For those who think Palmer was scum. prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. At this point in time Palmer is pretty much confirmed town, no one wants to lynch him. There is no reason for him to offer a fake opinion because in his eyes no matter who gets lynched, he looks fine. Palmer was giving us his last will and testament, he wanted us to follow this, Ceph cannot be scum... For those who think Rayn is scum. I'll go through everything with Koshi tomorrow. I think we have a lot of shit on the table already as we are only 24h into the game. geript i try to explain my read on prplhz for the last time and if you are town you gotta stop this shit and start paying attention. Until tomorrow i'm off. Rayn is attacking Geript almost purely because he is after prplz. Which implies that if Geript were going after cephiro, rayn would not care. If we assume one of them is scum it is extremely easy to tie them together. If we assume Palmar is scum, whats with this agenda? I don't listen to arguments that assume rayn was mafia. I think rayn was town. Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. So gumshoe is mafia Again, it is extremely important to note that Palmer assumes his word carries wait, he is not under suspicion, this is 100 percent what he wants town to do because he could not have possibly forseen sent and coag clearing each other. If Palmar is scum and rayn was town, why is he not pushing for a no lynch? (this was from palmer, in case you forgot) Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. By his own reasoning, scum would have no reason to push for a lynch in an extremely volatile cell(they had already won no less) unless they absolutely had to / : so it's quite simple, if palmer was pushing for a lynch in our cell and he was scum (which we bloody will assume, because it is logical, you stubborn crutchy blind people) Rayn has to be scum Prplz himself concedes that palmar was scum, so theres no really no argument here. Rayn and Palmar are scum, if we want to win this game everyone needs to accept that. As an additional argument, Rayn placed this group second, illustrating that he was confident they could win it. If ceph or Geript was scum, then wouldn't this be a group scum would want to avoid at all costs? Scum was trying to set up the same scenario as yesterday, where we vote between two iffy townies and ignore the scum all together / : so that when the one iffy townie flips, we blame the other. It is far and away the best play scum can make in this setup, lets not fall for it again shall we? Prplz, because your bad at this game and scum, I'll make things really easy on you, just answer these two : D 1: If palmar is scum(no one should debate this) and rayn is town, why is he calling for a lynch in my cell? Does it not worry you that he honestly wanted ceph lynched as well? 2: If Rayn is scum, why did he place this group second in both his orders? How could he be so confident that they would win it if ceph or geript was scum? | ||
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On April 07 2014 02:21 prplhz wrote: @Steveling What is your scumteam right now? i swear on my life that gum is scum Alas, poor prplz, I knew him.... dude was a scummer / : | ||
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On April 06 2014 19:48 prplhz wrote: If neither getmoript or gumshoe give me any out at all and lynch me on exlusively on associative reads I'm not even going to try. The idea that you have outed the entire scum team and that they all decided to vocally defend lynchbait prplhz is bad and if you think it's a good idea then I can't defend myself against it at all. I think that getmoript is town over Cephiro because Cephiro is only putting in a bare minimum of effort, not in any way enough to make me think that he is town. At the same time I checked geript's and getmoript's filters from all his earlier games and he is simply too active for me to think that he is scum. Thus Cephiro over getmoript. How are you lynch bait 0_0 Geript, Palmer, Rayn, Holy, balla, steve, mdern, all the most influential players and then some found you town 0_0 how are you even remotely lynch bait? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote: I thought you thought that Palmar, raynpelikonoshi, Balla24 and mderg are all scum, so actually it's only getmoript and Steveling who are townie and think I'm town? So 2 townies out of 10 think I'm town and that means I'm not lynchbait? The scum team thinking your town is not a good thing 0_0 also its holy geript and steve : P you left one out. | ||
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@Steveling What is your current scumteam?[/QUOTE [quote]i swear on my life that gum is scum[/quote] why are you not flipped yet? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:02 prplhz wrote: I cannot really answer for Palmar because I am not Palmar. I cannot tell you why he did whatever because I do not know. So I'm not going to. You are saying "If Palmar is scum and everybody thinks he is town, would he not just push scum agenda in his last post?" And then you nitpick. Palmar's entire last-reads-post can be found here and he says plenty of stuff. You keep saying that there's no way he'd not push scum agenda in that post so consequently his read on me was scum agenda and that makes me scum. But what about the rest of the post? There's some stuff I'm sure you would also think is scum agenda (such as him calling you scum) but then he suddenly says: What? It cannot possibly be scum agenda to post this because he is saying absolutely nothing and nothing isn't scum agenda. It no one's agenda. You are saying that he has no reason not to push scum agenda, but right here we can see he is not pushing scum agenda. This conclusively proves that Palmar wasn't solely pushing scum agenda in his last post, and you cannot say that everything he says in that post is to get townies lynched instead of townies. If you just want whatever the fuck explanation for why a scum Palmar would say "Lynch Cephiro over prplhz and getmoript" when Cephiro is scum, then I can make one up for you. It was to look good so we didn't get suspicious of him being scum because he thought that if we started thinking he was scum maybe we could gleen something from his interactions with other people in this game. There, I don't know if that's what he was thinking, because he was scum and they purposely mislead people, but that could absolutely be what he was thinking. It should be noted that Palmar wasn't in any way confirmed town at the time he made his last-reads-post. There were people pointing fingers at him and while a [UoN]Sentinel lynch would have put him in a very good position, one of the votes for [UoN]Sentinel was [UoN]Sentinel's own vote. He had no idea that [UoN]Sentinel wouldn't move it back or that someone else wouldn't move it back. At the point Palmar made this post, I think it would be very hard for him to predict how much the flip and the 30 minutes leading up to it would influence everybody's opinion on him. So he probably just made a middle-of-the-road-post in line with a lot of the things he had said already in the thread. The "he would be confirmed town and we would all heed his bidding so he posted scummy shit" argument is vastly exaggerated. Did it not worry me that Palmar was pushing Cephiro? Yes, a bit. But then I remembered that I do not listen to scum because they're generally very untrustworthy. Instead, I read the game. And I arrived at the conclusion that I don't think that getmoript is scum (even though I could easily have continued that line as scum) but that Cephiro is. This isn't even a pressure vote, like the rest of the votes for Cephiro, I'm pretty sure he's scum over getmoript which is also why I am proposing me or Cephiro today and not so much focus on getmoript. As for raynpelikonoshi, I still think he was town. I don't know why I would think otherwise. I don't really know why he made this order and honestly, I don't think it matters a lot or that it points at anything. To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast. Do you actually have something that I did that point at me being scum? Or is everything pointing to me being scum something someone else (scum) did? And if every single scum in the game is incriminating someone (which you seem to believe), does that really point at that person being scum? 1: Oh god its soooo fucking good to have an answer to this question, like you have no idea how delicious this counter is going to be. Notice how Palmer is certain that cephiro is scum and certain that I am scum (which you now totally disagree with) but is not certain about holy or Slams group? This is because they are not important, scum are trying to win the game in the first three days. The reason Palmer isnt overtly pushing an agenda for these last two groups is because he doesnt want the game to go that far. He intends for things to end on day 3. The only way the game goes to day 4 is if we realize Palmer was either completely wrong, or scum. and at that point, if we at least suspect hes scum, why would he want us to have even more information at our disposal? Also your argument that he was scummy is completely invalid, because there was not a single vote on him 0_0 he was the towniest person there bar none and if the lynch looked just a bit different, no one would have ever believed he was scum. That is a point that is not up for discussion, unless you want me to go through 15 filters and show off how many people were sucking his dick game long. 2: Your point that Palmer wasnt super town is invalid and the setup/specific situation is unique in that it allows him to still look townie after his cell is over / : if we assume Palmar is scum (which you agree) the following two cells are crucial, therefore his read of Cephiro should be the least trusted opinion in this thread. I cannot bilieve that your town process is as follows "hmm, the guy who looked super townie when he posted this but was actually scum really wanted this guy lynched... yeah I should totes listen!" the truth of the matter is that you dont wanna fight with Geript, because hes Geript and youd lose. So your going after a lurker scum WANTED to lynch... you do see how insane this is right? 3: If Rayn is town and steve is scum(which you believe), why is Palmar not pushing for a no lynch? You need to answer this question Prp not just go "hodor hodor!" there is no reason to push me at all in this situation if him and steve are scum. You are insane if you think that / : You have also thought I am scum all game, when did this change? 4: "MAYOR DONT MATTER GUYS" when we now know just what it means for scum. You have flipped off me for no stated reason and if you admit I am town then you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1. 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On April 07 2014 04:20 getmoript wrote: Gumshoe I really don't get what you're doing. Like you're not making any sense; honestly I'm reconsidering the scum on Steveling because of it. I really liked prplhz big post. Listen closely Geript. If Palmar was scum with steve, which we pretty much know because sentinel nor his scum team would let him that close to death if he was scum, then why is he pushing for a lynch on day 3? Why not no lynch and win? It makes no sense, he is deliberately making steves job harder if they are scum together. Listen, last night in video Geript, we learnt that I should listen to you : D and you should listen to me : D so how about we compromise by doing exactly what I say? | ||
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On April 07 2014 04:52 getmoript wrote: Palmer wasn't scum. Rayn wasn't scum. I'm not 100% about killing Ceph as I just woke up, but prplhz post was really really good. Honestly I think you're acting like an idiot right now. Steve is scum. Geript, I am asking you a favour, this is your last day, please read the argument on the other page at face value. No bias allowed. That prp post you love so much? I crushed it just now. Palmer has no reason to offer concrete reads for days 4 and 5, those reads are a subtle joke meant for a town he does not think exists. Why are palmars reads conveniently rock solid for the days scum are desperate to win? But for the days where town are not supposed to make it to, insanely vague? | ||
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Why does Prplz suddenly think I'm town btw? When did that change? He went from this. i'm talking about how it just seems like you thought "now i'm gonna go 100% bullshit mode and every time someone posts i'm going to make a reply where i say it implies whatever i think" and that's not something a townie does to this. @Steveling What is your scumteam right now? with no reasoning in between... and he still thinks rayn is town? So was Rayn was wrong about me to? Open your eyes Geript this dude is just making shit up as he goes. | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:14 Alakaslam wrote: Excuse me ppl Prplhz is scum CEPHIRO confirmed town Thanks Never change slam : D | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:24 prplhz wrote: @Steveling Can you explain it again in case I didn't understand, what happened at deadline and why am I scum for not understanding it? Sent voted for himself. Steve missed his vote swap onto sent by 30 seconds. Coag was town. If sent was scum, all he would have to do is unvote to save himself 0_0 or his scum team coulda saved him. Basically ocums razer, sent and his team would actually have to try be that shit, coag is town and therefore palmer is playing well as scum. Also the fact of how several players (ie you and palmer) seemed just not to care where theyre votes went and how mdern walked into the thread at that point and didnt say anything about the vote, also supports the argument that the lynch was between two townies. | ||
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On April 07 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote: Prp, I'll keep asking till I get an answer, when did I become town, why would palmer push for a lynch in our cell. Why would Palmar care about cells 4 or 5 if he intends to win by 3? | ||
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XD Im sure that wont be necessary. I appreciate it though : P | ||
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One thing speaking against Palmar having a strong motivation for ending the game before d4 is that he didn't say anything about his teammates in cell4 and cell5. If he really really wanted the game to end before d4 then he could have said "Balla24 townies fucker on the planet" and "mderg confirmed town because of this and this post" and they could have used this town cred to bury this game. Because he was being cautious? You asked me why he was vauge on day 4,5. I answered it's because he wanted to win 123, which fits the groups that Rayn/koshi chose. You have countered with "why didnt he go all out?" because maybe he was worried we wouldn't be idiots and actually get to day 4? If that happens and he went balls out, he just screwed his whole team. You can play to win fast without playing dumb prplz / : Can you please provide some quotes where I say that I believe that Steveling is scum? @Steveling What is your current scumteam? umm next! I never said Palmar was scummy, I said that he wasn't declared town by everybody, there was suspicion. No, there wasn't a single vote for him but both Holyflare and you were on his back and Coagulation and partially also [UoN]Sentinel were pretty good at soaking up the votes. Holy was not calling palmar scum at the vote. It was just the people about to die accusing him. Which means theres no reason palmers would believe his word would not carry weight going into day 2 at least. Therefore we should lynch anyone today but Ceph because that was Palmars primary obgective. Not entirely sure what you're getting at here but "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" is just fucking dumb. You are seriously saying that raynpelikonoshi, Palmar and I sat in the scum QT and said "Man, we have to destroy gumshoe before d1 so lets all go get him" and that's completely ludicrous. Yes 0_0 I am totally saying that, because when 33 percent of town are scum(who just so happen to be great players) they have the ability to sway sentiment. Why wouldn't they throw thier weight around when worst case scenario, they can just say steve was scum all along? Also you pretty much agree with me... Dunno maybe I should really reconsider raynpelikonoshi. If Rayn was scum all along, and the entire thread has been calling me retarded for the whole game, the campaign against me is a fact 0_0 not a theory and you were a big part of it prp. Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment? Empathy, reasoning, motive. All we need to do in this game is explain why people do what they do 0_0. Thats the game prp. Are you saying I am not allowed to raise an argument against you unless you are capable of defending yourself against it? You also clearly understand what happened yesterday and are playing dumb. ... so? And also, how does this make me scum for not understanding it (which I still don't think I do)? Yes. And since they were both town Palmar didn't give a fuck and only did it to create chaos. He didn't predict that it would exonerate both [UoN]Sentinel AND Coagulation which was pretty bad for him. You clearly understood what happened yesterday. If you didnt, why were you so quick to agree palmar was scum?The only reason your playing dumb is because scum thirve off uncertainty / : the more variables there are today, the less likely youll get lynched. | ||
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On April 07 2014 06:36 prplhz wrote: Anyway, how am I supposed to explain why someone else did something and what does that have to do with my alignment? Because thats the game 0_0 explaining why people do what they do. So you agree now that Rayn is scum? When did I become town to you? If you dont agree with the exonoration factor, why were you so quick to agree that plam was scum? | ||
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looks like he is just posting what he thinks makes sense for him as a townie to post. Yes, but purp, WHY has he been calling you town all game? WHY has he been calling me scum all game? Every read scum makes is meant to impact the cells, if hes scum, what does he gain from green reading you so hard? He is just posting the agenda he has always been posting, that has nothing to do with looking townie. | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Prplz agrees that rayn is scum... I just, I just cant geript, I just cant understand how your so dumb T_T | ||
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To me it seemed like Koshi came in from the sidelines soon before deadline and then he had to make something up very fast. So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:19 getmoript wrote: Yah, I want to lynch gum now. Like his arguments are completely illogical. They are really really bad. Specifically this argument that Palmer is scum and trying to win days 1-3 and therefore his townread on prplhz means prplhz is scum. This makes zero sense. By this logic, I'm scum too so the only town is Cephiro. He knows I have good reads; he knows I make logical arguments. He's completely ignoring any of the reasons for Rayn to be town. He completely shitting on town hero Palmer. Prplhz has tried all game; he's making good arguments and actually analyzing the game. Gum's push here is fucking awful and I can't believe he can do this as town. No way. Lynch Ceph, then lynch Gum. Geript if I actually adress this post will you listen? Cause I can shut it down pretty easily im just not sure its worth the effort. | ||
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On April 07 2014 07:57 getmoript wrote: If you can make an actual, logical argument as to why prplhz is scum, why palmer was scum or why Rayn is scum I'll listen. As for the order thing, I don't think that makes much of any sense from any alignment. I think Koshi made the order; I don't think Rayn was happy with Koshi's order. I don't think Koshi/Rayn have been seeing eye to eye the whole game. I don't think the order is alignment indicative. I don't think that putting Palmer's group first is bad by any means; it forces Palmer to participate and quite honestly, it gives us Palmer's best reads. Geript, your problem is your playing this like a regular mafia game, where anything can happen. In this setup scum HAVE to associate and want to win as fast as possible. They're greatest strength is their power to converge on things, with 5 scum voices to towns divided ten they can accomplish quite a bit. Which is why association reads are much stronger, you all ignore them at your own peril / : That said, I bilieve Palmer was scum because for sent to be scum, the red team would have to be utterly incompetent. Sent voted for himself... the vote was tied and one away from going onto sent... Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. Just look at this from prp. JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY into meh ##Vote Coagulation He can explain his reasoning, but that doesn't make his attitude any less scummy ) : and it supports the notion that scum were happy no matter what happened this lynch. As for Rayn, I know I'm town Geript and steves actions dont make sense if hes scum / : (I wanted a no lynch, but he jumps on me for attacking town hero palmar if hes scum why make his own life harder?)whereas Rayns does. Rayn pushed me all game JUST like he did in witchcraft for the exact same reasons. He then got drunk, scum claimed and outed palmar. I have an easier time reading Rayn in this situation than you Geript, you need to accept that. I mean, the best argument that Rayn is scum is that I am scum... yeah sorry I'm not fucking taking that argument into account Geript, but if you wanna believe something that dumb just cause your scared of looking like an idiot, by all means T_T These are my reasons, if we assume Rayn and Palmer are scum (they buddied super hard all game) then Prplz looks like shit. Yes hes been active, but why cant scum play well Geript? Why? | ||
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prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. and this? geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. The first one is a one hundred percent read, its phrased as if Palmar would actually be physically hurt if we lynched Prplz. The second one is that you are probally town 0_0 the confidence behind those two reads is worlds apart. Also OF COURSE Palmar would town read two people, theres two fucking town in the cell, he just needs one of them lynched not the other. That doesnt mean your scum, it just means we should DEFINITELY not vote for Cephiro because thats Palmars chosen target T_T | ||
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How is that at all similar to "yeah geripts probs town" | ||
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So heres the order Koshi picked. Palmar coag sent geript prp ceph gum steve rayn holy tehpoof mdern slam lsb balla here is the group rayn proposed hours before, that he was VERY certain on and had thought about the whole game. He left us with this order, expecting it to be the one chosen. Rayn gum steve geript prp ceph slam lsb balla holy tepoof mdern palm sent coag There is a contradiction in Prplz statement that the "rushed" order absolves him. when you spot it, play this music : D In case anyone was wondering what the contradiction was, yes Rayn and Koshi disagreed on the specific order, but they both agreed that no matter what prps group would go second this aspect of the order was not rushed and the two of them were unanimous on this choice. If we assume that scum would try and win in three days (as we should) If ceph is scum, why the hell would they want this group second Prplz? Or are you accusing Steveling again? | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:37 Steveling wrote: Getript are playing downright bad all game long. Funnily enough this is their only redeeming quality, this consistency in being bad. Prplz on the other hand, suddenly during the lynching is jumping between sentinel-coag with no apparent reason. Also he doesn't understand how what happened proves that palmar is scum. Yet he somehow magically arrived at the conclusion that Palmar was scum all on his own XD what a baller eh? | ||
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On April 07 2014 08:48 prplhz wrote: First time I've been called a baller. Happy to be your first : D | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:01 prplhz wrote: If raynpelikonoshi was scum and scum team was so afraid of you gumshoe, we would just have put your cell first. Actually, Rayn did XD Okay guys i am soon off for most likely for the rest of the phase. My suggestion for group order: First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk) Last 2 groups in whatever order: (HF/Plammer - i would suggest HF first) I know Palmar is not gonna like this most likely but i think we don't need to play after D3 anyways so... I'll be here for another hour and i am not sure if Koshi is gonna come back. I don't care who is mayor but that's my suggestion. Lemme know what you guys think. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. It was Koshi who disagreed XD he went maverik or something, which worried you as well. are you going to talk this mayor thing over with rayn? | ||
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Was I though? Im flattered Koshi XD | ||
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Your problem Geript is that you rather assume 5 people are idiots, rather than that you were wrong ) : honestly scum just didnt give a shit about that lynch because palmar wasn't under fire. Which is why several people were utterly apathetic. People are stupid in general. That's not an assumption that's a fact.[/quote] This is your issue Geript ) : you assume the worst of your fellows and you consider yourself inflatable. As a result you will always unrestimate your opponents, and because you have such a low opinion of others you will never be able to convince them even when your right. I have nothing else to say to you. | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:20 prplhz wrote: gumshoe you literally said that "you were part of an organized effort to destroy me before day 1" You all can agree on me without agreeing on the order 0-o just because you work together on several fronts doesn't mean you'll always want to do the same thing. Also by before day 1 I meant before cell 1 : P just in case you were nitpicking that. Rayn was angry about Koshis choice, we pretty much agree they were scum, so the idea of a disagreeing scummer is wierd yes, but it did happened. | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:32 getmoript wrote: This is your issue Geript ) : you assume the worst of your fellows and you consider yourself inflatable. As a result you will always unrestimate your opponents, and because you have such a low opinion of others you will never be able to convince them even when your right. I have nothing else to say to you. So I'm incapable of flatus?[/QUOTE] I fucking knew you would poke that balloon XD posting on a phone, mistakes are inevitable. | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:19 prplhz wrote: Scum team maverick? Team tries to communicate with him in thread instead of in QT? No further comments. Also we have a player(likely scum) who got drunk and mod killed as well as a townie who died by 1 vote because he voted himself... Are scum infallible prplz? We are all equally capable of greatness and foolishness, this town, scum Included, have demonstrated both XD | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:37 getmoript wrote: It's funny. Laugh. XD= laugh to me : P | ||
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On April 07 2014 10:47 prplhz wrote: You are so dumb right now, I'm regretting ever having used that word for anything or anyone ever before. Lol, adhominems, for when you can't win an argument cause your scum XD | ||
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It is far more likely a townie feels nothing for a town that's suspicious of him, than a scummer leaving his team high and low. There's a distinct sense of isolation to his play that bemoans busy town, what is the motive for play this bad if he's scum? Cephiro's no coag people ) : Speaking of which, Yesterday we lynched the safe scummy lurker, how did that work out for us? Can we grow a pair today? Pretty please? With a cherry on top? | ||
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Its ok, towns been shitting on me all game : D I'm used to it. | ||
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On April 07 2014 12:19 Alakaslam wrote: Gumshoo embrace the way of CHUPAZI, for to HIJOLE is to mistakes mean nothing to me sort it itself bro Depends, does pledging myself to Chupazi get Prplz lynched? | ||
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On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote: Cell 1 Cell 2 Holyflare Tehpoofter mderg Lynch poofter, lynch cephiro, no lynch gumshoe group etc etc etc Holy when and why did you start reading Mdern as town? On another note. Prpl had no reason to be switching between 2 town whatsoever if he was scum. He gave a very coherent answer when asked what his motive was at the lynch. There is no reason whatsoever for scum to even be around at this lynch let alone do what prpl did. Of course he did, do you think scum actually expected the sentinel lynch to go as far as it did? Say we ended that lynch at 7 4. Coag flips green, palmar and prplz look uber town 0_0 of course when the sent wagon got serious, Prplz realized its better to look like a waffle, then a guy who was part of an 11th hour vote swap onto a townie. Unfortunately the way the vote went exonerated both townies, scum could not have anticipated that. They made these mistakes because they had stopped caring about the lynch, they no longer cared about which way it went, they were merely trying to profit as much as they could off the chaos. They got greedy / : Above all, Palmer wanted ceph dead, Rayn wanted geript dead( for attacking Prplz might I add / they both loved Prp. You agree with me completely holy on Rayn and Palmer didnt you? What reason do two scum completely in control of the game buss one of thier own and put that cell in the second slot??. Similarly, if Rayn was scum, me and steve are town, Slam is also likely town based off his interactions with Rayn. Tell me, why is there not a single scum vote on Prplz if hes town? People, somethings wrong with Holy / : DO NOT sheep him, I repeat, DO NOT sheep the Shepard. | ||
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There is no reason whatsoever for scum to even be around at this lynch let alone do what prpl did. (yes I will keep posting objection themes every time someone states a contradiction) Palmar, dare I say a much better player than Purp, was both around during that lynch and swapping between Coag and Sent... Even if I'm wrong about the exact reason, that alone proves scum still had an agenda at that point / : | ||
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On April 07 2014 23:36 Holyflare wrote: Mderg has stuck around, made some good points and isn't scum Read mdergs game i linked, read what i wrote. - 1 scum, next cell plz. So just to confirm with scum geript here. Plam, rayn, hf confirmed town now right? I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier. I still think he slipped that palmar, nme and you are town :p so steve is scum rayn and gumshoe are town. Steve modconfirmed town zzz Vote gumshoe and win (Later on, you claimed Rayn was scum for his out burst, but after I attacked Palmer this came out) ? I just said rayn told me you were scum, he was also town (what you said after you switched onto sent for no given reason) I vote for scum then after Palmer flipped... It's simple rayn is scum. He called me town when i wasn't even doing anything. That's rayn scum buddy thing. You are bad if you think palmar was town. You barely offer reads for why you do things and you change your mind constantly, yet present your word as fact... there is no reason we should listen to another word out of your mouth this game. | ||
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On April 07 2014 23:36 Holyflare wrote: Mderg has stuck around, made some good points and isn't scum So holy is clearly around, his town read is getting targeted, yet hes not saying shit... Right... | ||
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On April 08 2014 00:01 Holyflare wrote: So you're saying my reads can't evolve during the game? And 2 of those quotes are quite clearly jokes. No, I'm saying you've been wrong all game and there's no reason you should keep presenting your reads as fact. Besides You only provide town with useful information after the fact ( if you had mentioned that Palmer was scum for sheeping you, we could have at least tried to lynch him ) then accuse us of being idiots for bieng slower than you. This is not relevant right now though. I have proven why your reasoning on prplz is wrong 1 :if anyone but prplz is scum, that would mean rayn bussed Geript and palm bussed cephiro, when neither were in a position to have to do so ( you yourself considered them confirmed town) rayn and Koshi both wanted this group second, why if cephiro or Geript is scum? That and Both of them love prplz for pretty weak reasons 2 : prplz had a motive for vote switching. Scum were trying to feint a vote onto sent so when coag flipped they would look town. Prplz flipped back cause he realized how shitty he'd look if sent actually flipped green. Palmar himself was doing this, so your reasoning that scum have no motive to be around or active at that time is flat out wrong. Can you please vote prplz now? | ||
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On April 08 2014 00:35 Holyflare wrote: I vote for scum. This game makes bussing super good because then you look like town if you are unflipped and right. See, that's where your wrong. There is a tremendous amount of strategy to this game. You think rayn and Palmer are scum, which means two things. Scum chose the order and Scums confirmed two strongest groups were in the top three which implies scum were trying to win this game in three days. If they can do that, they don't actually have to buss, because theyre weakest players are in the last two cells. How do I know this is true though? Because there are no scum/players in this game better than palmar or rayn ( do you know of any?). Which means the last two groups were the ones they were least confident in. So yes, bussing is possible, but not at all required if scum can choose the order. Your off your game holy, if you truly believe in your current reads, then you should know that I found out about Palmer, mdern, Steve, rayn all on my own while you were too busy bieng pocketed. Why am I wrong now when my arguments are better than they've ever been? | ||
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On April 08 2014 00:49 Steveling wrote: Tbf, with all that being said and the theories and what not if ceph does not appear and contribute he's the best lynch for today. But then again that's what coag was as well. I lurk and get lynched as town all the time. Scum have more of a reason not to lurk because the meta doesn't favour lurkers. Besides, We fucking lynched the lurker yesterday we are not doing it today T-T. We are winning this game, not campaigning for a better tl. Lsb, tehpoofer, mdern, I really want to hear your thoughts / : where y'all at. | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:04 Steveling wrote: Also balla, where's balla, iirc he didn't vote even? Balla quit the game after rayn claimed...funny guy huh? | ||
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i'm voting to lynch gumshoe btw[/QUOTE [quote]Rayn and palmar are both scum.[/quote] Holy, rayn and palm were scum and picked the order to win in three days. Why do you not buy that? If your town your obviously the biggest threat to them in this game. They put you in 4th so that they wouldn't have to deal with you. Plain and simple. This disproves your notion that scum need to bus, they dont, they just need to get the undecided groups out of the way. You think Rayn and Palmer are scum, You know your town if your town. Of all the people in this game, no one should agree with me more. So why dont you? | ||
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listen to anything from him. If he realizes his folly and comes around to Prplz, then maybe hes worth hearing out. | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:16 Holyflare wrote: he replaced out of catastrophe so likely has 0 time The exact same can be said about Ceph 0_0 why is ceph scum but balla immune to scrutiny? Unless, do you think Geript is scum? Who should we lynch oh venerable Holy flare? | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:21 Holyflare wrote: um no ty, listen to me and kill ceph Again, why is Balla towny and Ceph scummy for the exact same reasons? | ||
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I know you don't consider this an actual game anymore since rayn died, but I can't say I am not disappointed with your current play ) : | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:29 Holyflare wrote: what the actual fuck game are you playing, balla actually replaced out of a game, ceph is just afk posting so we know A) balla legit has 0 time B) cephiro MIGHT have 0 time or is scum lurking on purpose prpl had good reasons for sentinel/coag lynch and i liked them and i dont care what you write because your theories are so wild and out there they are almost insane Your argument that balla replaced out they're for legit has no time is dumb because why not replace out of this game too? Cephs last real post was on April 3rd, same as balla. Fact is, your are defending one person and accusing another for the exact same reason. Step up your game holy / : | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:43 mderg wrote: Cephiro actually doing anything this game would make this much easier... What is the motive for cephiro to lurk as scum the day of his lynch? Balla has time and doesn't expect the game to get to him, so he's a different story. Also mdern, if you bilieve rayn was scum, than me slam and Steve are town. We are all the votes on prplz. Why are scum not dog piling him if he's town? Furthermore, can you read specifically my and holys exchange? What do you think of him? You really believe poof is scum? | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote: if their plan is to win in 3 days and rayn was scum then why would i be scum telling people to no lynch your group rofl? Ah but you don't see it do you? If you are town, you have no reason to doubt my theory. You are the singular wrench, a player who is extremely unpredictable as scum. If your town, there's no reason not to believe me. Basically the one issue you have with my theory is that I think your scum, which is an issue you should not have. So vote prplz : D maybe your town and wrong again. I'm not sure, prove your loyalty plz. | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:51 getmoript wrote: The problem is that this isn't a normal game. If he doesn't contribute, that doesn't make prp any townier. We do have to sit down and examine why he would just leave us and do nothing ever because he's going to disappear from the game either way. We can't play this game by normal rules. ~Cav Thanks : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 01:58 Holyflare wrote: yes i shouldn't have an issue with you calling me scum, that's totally legitimate thing to say all your theories account for too much information and guessing it's bs, prpl has said legit things that make sense and add up cephiro hasn't and is afking while you get a free mislynch for scum that's quite fucking simple.... i don't care what anyone said or what you think i go by individual scummy play because bussing gives way way too much power to scum this game I think your scum because you don't believe a theory that should make perfect sense to if your town. Also you calling bussing op in this setup is hilarious considering the circumstance XD. You know tommorows a town win, you also are fairly confident you'll win your group cause number 1 power rank holy op. You do not know what will happen on day 5 with balla playing as he is. Today is the key, which is why you can't bus prplz XD this is quite ironic holy, wouldn't you agree? Bussing op indeed. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:03 mderg wrote: Problem with him lurking is that we can only read prp (getmoript doesn´t seem like an option). And once you look scummy the only way to defend yourself would be to prove you being town, since you can´t prove cephiro being scum. Can´t be sure about slam since I have no idea what he is thinking at all. Actually there is one reason I can see why scum wouldn´t jump on prp but it´s pure meta and I want to see the flip before mentioning it, so scum can´t play based on that "knowledge". More than poof being scum I can only really see holy as town right now. How? He can't buss here. Please talk to me, holy doesn't know how day 5 will go. He needs to win today to be certain of victory. Also 9 out of 10 hard lurkers are town. I know this because I am that lurker most games, despite that the reason scum don't lurk is because the meta does not favour it, seeing as town lunches lurkers all the time( we did it yesterday dammit) Holy is a very charismatic player, he will always look townie, don't fall for it ) : Oh and ray hard pushed slam, he's town. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:05 Holyflare wrote: i think it's quite clear that i wasn't around this weekend, iirc i posted something about it in here? And just because he made an excuse he's townier? Scum are the ones obsessed with towns opinion holy T-T this is Cephs lynch, he would be here if he's scum. He is not , he is town Palmer wanted him fucking dead. . | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:15 Holyflare wrote: gumshoe seriously just stop typing because you have gone mad Said rayn, Palmer, prplz, balla. It's easy to just dismiss someone then keep lying out of your teeth to save a buddy right? | ||
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Also clearly I am not crazy. Cause I was right, about Palmer rayn mdern, all your impeccable town and scum reads holy. Yet suddenly I'm crazy because I'm going after prplz? Hmm. Also what does that make you my friend? You are of a mind with me on many accounts, cept balla and prplz. Who just so happen to be two players rayn and Palmer were best buds with. Two players you can't pretend you knew were scum all along cause they're groups haven't happened yet XD | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote: right well im just going to afk and be town while you berate townies out of the game and make it unenjoyable while losing cya See ya after prps red flip. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:23 mderg wrote: I have a hard time responding to the bolded part because I´m not sure which part of my post you´re referring to. I know most lurkers are town. It´s just that in this particular scenario lurking could help him, if he was scum. He also could´ve meta´ed the shit out of us by going against what should be good in the meta. Lurking alone is never a clear tell as either town or scum. I will definitely reread holys filter. Maybe I can catch something. If we lynch prplz, doesn't that pretty much confirm holy as scum? Along with the case against prp himself, I think that's a pretty good reason to lynch him / : I'd be the proof people have been clamouring for all game and we still have one more mislynch. Also don't you find it scummy how he's not even considering prplz? Even remotely? Even though He agrees palm and rayn were scum? He has none of our indecision and yet he's acted as if he was right all game. It's Because he knows he has to win today, or else it comes down to a lylo coin flip on day 5( with the way ballas been goin that is) | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote: or simply by the fact that i just don't care like i've stated 100,000 times ~_~ You stopped caring the moment rayn left. Dude was scum, funny coincidence. If you don't care, prove it. Vote prplz scum king. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:41 Holyflare wrote: uhh no i stopped caring because he played well and then got himself modkilled and claimed scum like a retard so my care dropped to 0 because he wasted like 2 days of me playing the game There was still a game to play bro. You were demoralized because something bullshit happened to your team. That's how you knew he was scum. Regardless, thanks for proving you don't care about catching scum, have fun in catastrophe : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:44 mderg wrote: It would certainly be difficult to talk his way out of it, then. I can´t really comment on that right now, since I haven´t read his filter for like 3 days. I´ll have to reread that to 1) confirm what you said about him and 2) get the complete context of his posts. Right now I don´t get these scummy vibes from him. , prplz will delivers us his alignment. If ceph was scum, why not be around to put his vote on prplz? Furthermore, if he was here answering questions, how would that make him scummier? It's in his interest to do so if he's scum. He is not metaing the shit out of us, because the meta is that lurkers get lynched, we lynched a lurker yesterday for crying out loud. Prplz can be tied to scum, scum who wanted ceph dead T-T. Townies are less likely to care about the game as a whole man. Please vote prp T-T | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:51 Holyflare wrote: no there really wasn't a game to play, a themed game like this is only fun if everyone plays because then there are things to solve, what you are doing isn't solving anything it's making wild accusations that could or could not be true based on wild assumptions people afking break this game because if they afk and are town they just ruined an entire cell and if they afk and are scum they ruined the entire cell and broke the game again too, it's not like a normal game where you can afford these mislynches on lurkers or vig them, hence as soon as 3-5 people afk'd or just weren't playing and rayn got himself modkilled this game just became worthless to me, it's literally not worth my time because i have no investment in solving a pot luck game balla/slam/cephiro/coag make this game silly and the geript/cav hydra effectively ruin any chance you have at reading them because they say such wildly different things which is against the spirit of hydra play Cry me a river scum / : | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:39 Steveling wrote: Why is this game so hard, Q_Q. Because fucking tehpoofter and lsb aren't playing, Geript is insane, and if I'm right we are dealing with an extremely stacked scum team. I think this vote will fall to mdern and cav. I just hope I've done enough to sway them, or that they find something else that leads them to the truth. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:01 Holyflare wrote: Not voting (10): IAmRobik, LSB, austinmcc, iamperfection, strongandbig, Palmar, Djodref, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, sandroba these people need to sort their shit out Wrong thread. | ||
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On April 08 2014 02:58 Holyflare wrote: ^^^^ sees legit reason calls person scum anyway gumshoe bad or scum hence we lynch him I was just returning the favour holy XD people have been summing up my arguments with gumshoe is crazy/ scum all game. Doesn't feel good does it? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:04 Holyflare wrote: your reasons assume 4000 things to make it true mine is an honest reason not the same at all My reasons assume palmar and rayn are scum That scum are trying to win three days because they pick the order. That's all : D and you agreed with those things right up until it became inconvenient for you. | ||
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Palmar I think rayn was town. Steveling is basically confirmed town. gumshoe wants to no-lynch in their group as he's convinced rayn is mafia. If steve is mafia there is absolutely no reason for steve not just to shut the fuck up and accept the free win. So gumshoe is mafia Holy You are bad if you think palmar was town. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:09 getmoript wrote: I don't think G is even paying attention to our QT anymore. I posted on why I thought certain things and then nothing else was ever posted there. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one between the two of us that still cares. ~Cav Please vote prp ) : we catch holy red handed too if hes scum. The last vote is what counts, so please ignore what Geript tells you, the dude is legit wrong all the time. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:12 gumshoe wrote: Holy seeing as your resolved to lie through your teeth till the very end. Palmar Holy Are me and plam both scum Holy? | ||
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Prplz asks Holy whats your read on me? Holy replies Fuck knows In a list he posted he read Geript as the towniest person in prps group. After coags, which we all agree made prplz look scummier. We started to consider prplz. This was Holys reaction. Prpl is so town it hurts I won't let you die prpl On Geript, previously his strongest town read in this cell Stop being stupid. Palmar sheeped his scum read (me) on to sentinel to look towny but failed. The more you try and reason a town palmar the more likely mafia you are geript. What was it that you said about Plamar holy? Not to mention the fact that palmar changed his scum team reads that many times is pretty indicative of scum palmar. How did Prplz get to confirmed townie from fuck knows? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:16 Holyflare wrote: you assume not only 1 unflipped player but 2 unflipped players are scum, you then propose that you KNOW what their agenda was (to win in 3 days) and then you assume that you know the scum in unflipped other groups i propose that i just don't care, that i got towny feels from prpl and that i agreed it is likely palmar was scum because of voting reasons and that rayn was scum because of the order change, the drunken claim and the early buddying i use logic, you use random insane rants that may or may not be the case You used logic to agree with me that Rayn and Palmar were scum. They chose the order, why not put theyre three strongest groups first? Thats not an assumption, its common sense that you agreed with till it came against prplz. Answer my question please. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:19 getmoript wrote: No you are honestly legit drowning in the deep end or scum. Geript, I've found something that will sway you if your honestly willing to listen, will you please hear me out this time? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:29 gumshoe wrote: Geript, me and steve cant both be scum, so theres max 2 scum on purp right now. You claim that Rayn is town, which means they're are 4 more scum in the thread right now as we speak, where the fuck are they? Why do we not have a majority on Purp right now if hes town and they're are less votes on him then they're are as many scum you believe to be in this game? Can anyone answer this? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:32 getmoript wrote: Here's the reason why you should listen to me over gumshoe. Gumshoe 100% was on the wrong wagon. He was also 100% on the wagon with his now scum read. Like I actually think gum is town and just shitting the bed here, but so long as you don't lynch Rayn I don't care who you lynch. There are actual good reasons for Steve to be scum, both associative and actual. Gum's just doing; well idk wtf he's doing but it's anti town whatever it is. My preferred lynches: Sent Ceph Steve Idk LSB I have soft townreads on everyone in 2. My guess is HF but honestly it's a complete mystery to me. I think Slam is town; it's not based on what he's said but rather how he's thought about the game. That said if Slam ends up voting for prplhz here or not Steveling tomorrow then I'd lynch the fuck out of him. We were all on the wrong wagon... you believe they're are 4 scum, why are They're only max 2 scum votes on Prplz? Can you asnwer this without assuming 4 people are idiots? You claim you play according to reason, so consider this well. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:34 Holyflare wrote: stop being this retarded poofter likely scum, lsb/balla/slam 1 of those contains scum so scum is either voting WITH YOU or not voting at all in that group, cephiro likely scum why do votes even matter? anyone can sheep anything at anytime for any reason, it doesn't matter till the player has flipped It matters because if you vote at the last second and prplz flips green you look like shit. Whereas you do it a day before you can sell it. Also I am talking to Geript, not you, he believes Rayn was town, if thats the case, then why are they're only 2 scum votes on Prplz? Why wouldnt ceph be voting or talking if he was scum? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:37 Steveling wrote: I'm afraid this will go again down to the last vote and we need to decide if we are voting for the inactive guy or the other two. Let's take it step by step. So, those of you reading now, ceph or getript/prplz? How can you even consider Geript is mafia? He is hard defending Prplz... what does he care? Geript can you not see how scummy this guy is? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:41 getmoript wrote: There's 7 people voting. I'm town and at least 1 of mderg/HF is town. Plus, you're vote is on the same side of the argument of Steveling who's been pushing you as scum, then finally ends up agreeing with you that Rayn is scum. Like wtf? My side actually has more confirmed town than yours does. On top of that, there's 4 people not voting. Slam is like confirmed red here for not following my vote. He finds his top townread and then sheeps them as town. He's not doing that plus his posts have revereted to him not allowing himself to have fun so he's fucking scum. As for Mderg/HF/Poof, that's a really hard one to guess PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS. I HAD FORGOT THAT SLAM HAD VOTED FOR PRPLHZ. FUCKING LYNCH SLAM ON DAY 5. HE'S NOT PLAYING HIS TOWN GAME. RAYN I'M SO SORRY FOR GOING BACK ON MY SCUMREAD OF HIM. THAT DOESNT FUCKING MATTER GERIPT, YOU BILIEVE THAT SCUM HAVE 4 VOTES, BECAUSE THAT WHAT IT WOULD MEAN IF RAYN WAS TOWN, THEYRE CAN BE MAX 2 SCUM VOTES ON PRPLZ CAUSE ME AND STEVE CANT BE SCUM TOGETHER WHERE ARE THE OTHER TWO VOTES. WHY IS CEPH NOT VOTING IF HES SCUM. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:44 Holyflare wrote: If geript thinks rayn is town then his vote looks like this: so tell me again why his vote would be wrong? because if Rayn was town, that means one of me or steve is scum. That would mean scum have 4 votes this lynch as oppsoed to 3, but me and steve cant both be scum. So there is max 2 scum votes on Prplz, one is ceph(who has no reason not to vote if hes scum) that still leaves a third. Geript would have us bilieve there are less votes on prplz than theyre are scum in this game(yet prp is still town), that is utter insanity. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:45 Holyflare wrote: because there's 3 hours left and he can ninja vote, have you ever played mafia before? Thereby outing me and slam, that would be oh so nice of him. This game goes on after today for town Holy, only scum are guranteed to lose if prplz dies. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:46 Holyflare wrote: there are 4 people afk...................................................................................................... So half of scum are afk, the other half are yolo pushing at half stregth... or you know, prlz is scum. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:48 Holyflare wrote: this whole conversation is irrelevant because i don't care where scum votes are or aren't at this moment of time and it's silly that you think it should matter in the course of changing votes when 4 people are afk and we don't know the alignment of anyone in this game other than coag vote for the scummiest person not what potential scum said or did not say now tell me why what prpl has said is more scummy than what cephiro has done Stop being stupid. Palmar sheeped his scum read (me) on to sentinel to look towny but failed. The more you try and reason a town palmar the more likely mafia you are geript. You are bad if you think palmar was town. Rayn scum, palmar scum. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Palmar was scum. Why should we listen to you, your bad 0_o right? I thought you dont care when your town Holy, why you trying so hard? Also compare todays holy to yesterday, dude said I'm lynching Sent without reasoning then left thread... this is totally different. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:50 getmoript wrote: Honestly, I think you're trying too hard right now. Seriously, please stop because you're wrong. Answer the question Geript, say you think Ceph is scum, why is he not voting, who is the 4th scum, why are they not voting? | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:52 Steveling wrote: He can't be that stupid to not understand why after what happened yesterday palmar is 100% confirmed scum. He can't be. Is getript always that thick guys? It's my first game with him. He is, always. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:55 getmoript wrote: Why are scum not voting for scum.... hmmmmm. Well Let's look at the potential scum: Balla--inactive hasn't posted in a while. LSB--pretty inactive Ceph--Hasn't voted since he ninja voted Coag for no reason given Tehpoofter--Went poof Like please use your head and start to think. lsb is in slams group, he cant be scum with slam. Same to Balla, we can rule those two out. That leaves tehpoofter... whats his motive for no voting? Jack all, his absence is null, scum would benefit immensley having him here. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:58 Steveling wrote: As I said earlier if ceph wouldn't appear he would be legit the best lynch, so ##unvote ##vote: Cephiro But I'm really scared. Please bilieve me steve T_T im begging you. | ||
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On April 08 2014 03:59 Steveling wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Cephiro Steve, if Prplz is scum, the team is outed. Its me, slam, tehpoofter, ceph, sentinel, no other combo makes sense, its either us, or just Prplz, so whats easier to believe? Do not sheep Geript, he is often wrong, do not sheep Holy, he has changed his reads 50 times over. Above all, bilieve in me T_T I know it takes courage, but please man, dont be bullied by scum and geript. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:00 Steveling wrote: WOAH GUMSHOE POST THAT MUSIC AGAIN | ||
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Geript, you are right about one thing, Palmars read on you is fantastic. is now. This is a well reasoned defense and I totally agree with it, as you know : D Compare that to this shit. I like this prplhz He said something yesterday that caused me to think "man this is townhaze", but I can't remember what. He wasn't very active during the time I was active at. Here is the post I'm referring to. It's a great observation, especially since I think Steve had just mentioned earlier that he was going to focus on his own group, then started randomly asking people for who to read up on. (post in question by prplz) More aribitrarily calling Prplz town. so after reading through the game you have absolutely no idea where to start filtering and instead you just filter whoever arbitrarily shows up? prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. prplhz should never be lynched but prplhz is a pretty strong townread, I've pointed out at least one of the posts that make me think he has to be town. This is the entirety of Palmers argument that Prplz is town, compare that to the one on Geript, which was insanely well reasoned, Geript is obgectively townier than prp... and yet [quote]Also I have no idea how you can think geript is more likely to be town than prplhz.[/quote] Geript I agree, Palmer argument for why your town is inpecable, his read for Prplz doesnt even come close, so why does he read Prplz townier? Palmer knew he could get away with town reading you, he also knew that was critical to winning the game because your a huge threat to him otherwise. His read was so good on you because scums reads are perfect. That said he would have never lynched prplz over you / : which makes no sense given how amazing the read on you way. Face it bud, you got pocketed. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:23 getmoript wrote: Because he wasn't sure on me. His explanation for prplhz isn't as good. But it isn't awful. Like I understood his point and I'm ok with it now. Open your eyes man! His reasonings for thinking prp are terrible compared to his arguments for you which are fantastic( because your town and he knows that ) You think it's me that your doubting Geript? You called prp and rayn from the start, you knew I was town all along as well, you even knew holy was going to be scum before the game even began( hence the policy lynch suggestion) You are one of the best instinctual players on tl. Who was it that caught toad DAY 1 Geript? I understand alots thrown you off this game ( drunken outbursts and life oaths will do that) but it's not me your unsure of Geript, it's yourself. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:31 LSB wrote: Sorry for being AFK, so busy this past weekend. I'll try to catch up. I've already said that I would be expecting Cephiro to try to make an effort to play, and until he post I have absolutely no reason to not vote for him ##Vote: Cephiro Are you aware that Palmer was scum? | ||
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Palmer pushed for a lynch on me in my cell, why do that if I'm scum? He also risk Steve in that spot. No reason to argue for a lynch there if Rayn was town cause it risks steve, therefore Rayn is scum, Palmar is scum, Palmar said this about ceph and prplz prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him. geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town. So ceph is mafia. So are we letting mafia decide the lynch today? We lynched the lurker yesterday, why not try something fresh lsb? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:31 LSB wrote: Sorry for being AFK, so busy this past weekend. I'll try to catch up. I've already said that I would be expecting Cephiro to try to make an effort to play, and until he post I have absolutely no reason to not vote for him ##Vote: Cephiro Why cant ceph be busy? Dont scum have more of a motive to looking townie? Please dont default lynch LSB t_t | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:43 LSB wrote: Well yes, you do have a point about Ceph being busy. I guess I'll stay awake and read up on prphz Also plam was scum, who was like uber confirmed town XD till the lynch revealed itself to be a frace. Why would he bus his team mate if no one thinks hes scum? Had the vote not went lopside, we would never have known he was red (not for sure at least) which means his word would still be well regarded. Why bus his team mate in that spot? Its really clear, we lynched a lurker yesterday and that was a shit move, how would you feel if it was your lynch today and we killed you just cause you have a life? There're is no scum reasoning for ceph lurking till now. His actions are null at best while Prplz can clearly be tied to scum who had no motive to bus. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:44 Cephiro wrote: Alright. I really don't see a scum prplhz taking the risk and forcing a lynch between me and him only. Surely, I've been extremely inactive, but if I haven't read the thread wrong there has been opinions back and forth. Especially combined with the straight-up admittance that he'd not be around for the lynch since a few hours ago. Getmoript has also kept discussion about our own cell to the very minimum. Certainly, there is much less to go by as I haven't been posting and there is a lot of reason to provide reads for other cells, but it conviniently aligns up. If he considers himself to be in no threat of being lynched, why not spend the remainder of the time to prepare the following mislynches if he's mafia? The one thing which is making me doubt my scumread on geript is the late votes on Coagulation after mine. prplhz and Steveling both ended up voting Coag and tipping the lynch on him. Whom I think is scum in the remaining cells: Cell 1: Steveling (Late vote, lots of overreacting emotional play, seems too over-the-top to be genuine to me.) Cell 2: Tehpoofter (Hasn't convinced me at all since the start, mderg's later play looks more towny to me. HF is town.) Cell 3: Balla24 (Hard to say due to the little content, I was suspicious of LSB but I ended up misreading his town play and pressured him as scum wrongly for a long time in the last game we were in and due to my non-committal I'm afraid I might be wrong on that again. Slam makes no sense like always, but something about it is giving me a townie vibe this time.) ##vote: geript Cephirio, let me makes this clear, we found out plam was scum yesterday, this absolves me, steve and you if we can just lynch prplz today and prove palm was scum with him. We are never ever ever lynching geript because he is town. I am begging you, if you vote geript, you are killing yourself and thereby a townie. Give us a chance at least, we cant lynch prplz without you ) : | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:51 Cephiro wrote: I'm voting geript because I believe him to be scum. This isn't a setup where there are any benefits for town to choose another town target to lynch. I believe that prplhz is town, and him being lynched instead of me doesn't get us anywhere. So I am doing the thing that every townie should do in my situation, vote for the scumread and encourage others to do so as well. Everyone, vote geript and lynch scum. You know you are town correct? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:54 getmoript wrote: No we didn't gum. Please listen to me once Ceph flips scum. Lynch Steve. Lynch idk. Lynch Slam. TOWN. LYNCH STEVE--REASONS IN FILTER. I THINK GUM IS PLAYING BADLY BUT IS TOWN. RAYN 100% TOWN THOUGH LYNCH IDK--I'VE BEEN FLIPFLOPPING HERE ALOT ON WHO I THINK IS WHAT. HONESTLY I STILL DON'T KNOW. I LIKE HF'S VOTES SO FAR, BUT HE COULD STILL BE SCUM. I'M GOING TO GUESS TO LYNCH MDERG DESPITE MY SOFT TOWNREAD OF HIM EARLIER. HONESTLY IDK, BUT MDERG SEEMS SAFE LYNCH SLAM--NOT HIS TOWN PLAY 100% HARD TO EXPLAIN BUT HE'S NOT SHEEPING HIS STRONGEST TOWNREAD (ME) Geript if there is any possibility that Holy is scum, you should lynch prplz. Me, Holy, steve, slam, instantly 4 alignments become clear if we just lynch prplz. You want answers? your not going to get them by killing the lurker ) : Please bilieve in me Geript, they're is nothing but certainty in my heart. Never sheep me again if I'm scum or wrong, but just this once, walts with me will you? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: Also. Don't forget the vote counts and vote analysis. I'm pretty sure there were at least 3 scum on Coag and that Sent was scum. You argue theyre are 5 scum at that point, they almost let sent die and sent voted himself T_T so max theyre could only be 4 scum votes on coag if we believe your theory. Why not just accept that Palmar manipulated us rather than 5 people are awful? Is Palmar not capable of that? | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:59 getmoript wrote: No gum... no. How can I ever trust you if you aren't willing to trust me? I have spent nights lying awake thinking about this game Geript, I know what I'm doing, dont you hate it when you know whose scum but nobody believes you? Thats where I'm at right now Geript ) : we can do this together, I know we can T_T | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:03 Steveling wrote: Yes let's jump on the crazy train along with getript who doesn't understand that palmar was scum. I'm still undecided but I really want to vote getript since I don't think he's retarded irl. He has alot of faith in his reads, hes just really stubborn but hes not scum. I can link you examples if you like. | ||
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On April 08 2014 04:55 Cephiro wrote: Obviously. I wouldn't argue for this otherwise. -_- If Geript is scum we wont get a majority on him, theyre is no way we can lynch him at this point. I understand you need to do what you think is right, but if you vote geript, you are guranteeing a town lynch (your own) whereas if you vote prp, who knows, I promise you you'll be pleasantly surprised : D it is 50 50 afterall and you can be excused for 1 bad read seeing as you were busy / : | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:03 Steveling wrote: Yes let's jump on the crazy train along with getript who doesn't understand that palmar was scum. I'm still undecided but I really want to vote getript since I don't think he's retarded irl. Also please stop posting stuff like this steve ) : its not called for. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:11 Cephiro wrote: No, I don't. Why else would I suggest to lynch Steveling in my post? I think his reaction to the whole rayn incident was way over the top. Palmer wanted a lynch in my cell, why would he risk steve like that if rayn was town? it makes no sense. Similarly why would steve push for a lynch? If rayn was indeed town, I was offering a no lynch, they could just agree and move on. The reason Palmar had to push it is because Rayn was scum and he need me or steve to die. He didnt care who / : Steve is not scum, Rayn is, Rayn and Palmar town read each other super hard but flip floped on everyone else in theyre cells. Similarly they both called prplz confirmed town... If we lynch prplz and hes scum then that proves steve and me are innocent (this lynch is happening purely because of us) if we lynch geript we learn fuck all. Are you really going to screw town over in favour of your own selfish read when you havent saw fit to even play the game till now? | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:14 Cephiro wrote: Also I'm not looking to get excused, things happened and that's just how life goes sometimes. But it's why I'm here to do what I can while I still have the chance. Why are you treating geript like it's a lynch that will never happen? As far as I've experienced, those are the very lynches that end up going wrong when people are certain that someone can't be lynched. To me it looks like there's more than enough people around. I'm not going to give up on my read that easily. Lynch geript. cephiro has information on palmar being scum and information after palmars lynch that he shouldn't have because he hasn't been here and if he was he could have posted about it lynch cephiro with fire This guy right here didnt give a shit till we started trying to lynch prplz, he has been pushing for you all day, do you think hes town? If prplz was town and geript was scum, why wouldnt he just sit back and let me take the blame for a mislynch? | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:17 Steveling wrote: That's legit. Which information you mean though? He is lying, do not listen, what is cephs motive if hes scum? Walks into thread and starts a new wagon thereby ensuring his lynch because hes doing what he thinks is right? This play is fiercely independent, ceph is townier for it / : not scummier. Also Holy are you saying that he didnt catchup on the thread before posting? wtf are you talking about. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:28 Cephiro wrote: Just wow. Just because I haven't been posting and completely devoting myself to the game doesn't mean I don't have a general understanding of what has happened. It'd be absolutely retarded if I came here trying to convince you to lynch geript with having not read the thread at all, would it not? The information is there, posted for everyone whom reads the thread to see it. Why should I not have it? That's a horrible accusation. BOOM, This is the guy who is happy so long as anybody but prplz is lynched. Holy flare is the number 1 player on tl, he is not this dumb. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:29 Steveling wrote: You are making stuff up now HF, you accused gumshoe of this. You know why hes doing this right? Cause if prplz is lynched, we no lynch, then lynch him and win. This is check mate right here. Thats why hes so despreate. Dude hasn't once considered prp scum even though he was the one who told us rayn and plam were scum (prps best buddies) for someone who says he doesnt care, holy clearly has an agenda, vote Prplz and we win the game. | ||
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his comeback stated: [QUOTE]On April 08 2014 04:00 Cephiro wrote: Online till deadline from now. I figure I owe the other players at least that much. There are several reasons for why I haven't been actively playing, but they're not of importance. I'll post my thoughts on today's lynch and the remaining cells in a moment. It will be brief.[/QUOTE] if he cared and was catching up that many pages (it's been well over 30+ today and at the time around coags lynch) he would have posted something more substantial on his comeback, if he was town and cared he would post before he started reading to let us know that we could be expecting him all evidence points to him just not caring about today at all[/QUOTE] If he was scum why would he not care o_0 this is the day hed play hardest, what are you smoking right now Holy? I want some. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:35 LSB wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eq2UiGD.png) No I do not know how to get your Honoured Alliance and Fought to the end relations so high + Show Spoiler + I am testing out a new format since I find it interesting Okay. First of all there is no focus at all on My group or Holyflare's Group. I am going to assume that mafia were set on winning the first three groups. Either that or the Mafia are very comfortable with the people in the last two groups that they don't need to worry about anything. I feel like I am probably one of the best candidates for down in group 5, so I'm going to toss the second theory out. After all, before I started yelling a lot of people thought Rayn was town even though he was modkilled, and there was no way that Palmar knew that we would suddenly turn on him. If we do use this horrible associative WIFORM read, certaintly prplhz does look bad, as detailed by town members who are dead set on using associative reads Associative Reads: -10 Active- Look, most of the members of the game are lurking, and generally lurking is a great strategy for mafia if the town is lurking too. Since there are more lurkers than remaining mafia members it isn't a bad idea. That being said Prphz has lurked pretty hard this past day. Even though I was gone for essentially the entirety of today I don't feel like I missed much Active: +5 (-3/Year) "I totally knew Palmar was scum" Check out this post + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2014 10:26 prplhz wrote: Yes. At the beginning of the day I filtered [UoN]Sentinel and concluded that he was town. That's why I didn't do much today, the lynch was going on Coagulation and I was perfectly happy with that. At the same time people were poking [UoN]Sentinel and Coagulation and I didn't think there was any reason for me to clutter the thread too much. I came into this thread tonight around 40 mins before deadline. I saw that Palmar had moved his vote to [UoN]Sentinel and I thought that this was a little odd because I had a firm town read on [UoN]Sentinel but at the same time I also had a firm town read on Palmar so I started doubting myself. In any case I noticed that it was 30 minutes since Palmar had moved his vote but no one else had moved their votes and I found this odd because Palmar's opinion usually carries a lot of weight. (Later I realized that it was because Palmar wasn't actually pushing [UoN]Sentinel but just placing his vote). I thought to myself that I didn't really know who to lynch. On one hand I thought [UoN]Sentinel was town but on the other hand my biggest town read thought he was scum. Anyway, I decided to vote for [UoN]Sentinel simply to see what would happen. Maybe scum wanted to switch away from Coagulation but were afraid to be first vote and maybe there was some information to gain from voting patterns. I did not believe that [UoN]Sentinel would be lynched at this point. Then suddenly three other people also switched their votes and I wrote to Palmar and asked him to remember to say if he saw anything suspicious. It was getting close to deadline and I didn't really know what was going on so I wanted his thoughts before he died. Then [UoN]Sentinel made a post that could only come from a townie, the one where he changed all of his reads and voted for himself. This convinced me that [UoN]Sentinel had to be town and I switched my vote back to Coagulation. I still didn't think there was any danger of a [UoN]Sentinel lynch at this point, I had counted 5-6 votes for [UoN]Sentinel and that left plenty of votes for Coagulation. Hence the flip flopping. I voted for [UoN]Sentinel because Palmar's vote had me doubting and because of curiosity, and I changed my vote back because [UoN]Sentinel made a post I don't think scum can make. That's also why, when Coagulation flipped town, I started thinking that Palmar had to be scum. Really? You decided to bandwangon [UoN]Sentinel because you concluded he is town. Suddenly people 'fall for your trap' and you conclude that palmar is mafia? Why would a random voteswitch from a townie to a (assumed) townie be indicative of mafia action? Seems like a really shitty reason to believe that Palmar is scum. Sure there is additional explination here but hindsight is 20/20 Likewise his case on steveling is so forshadowed I can hear the inception music. He starts off with the classic question "Can you give me reads on 9 people you have never thought deeply about right now or I call you scum" Fabricated Claims: -25 Defensive Play Well, lastly I tried to look for what Prplhz thought of Geprit and Cephiro. I couldn't find anything. It is sad to think that Cephiro has more analysis on the group than Prplhz. After all your group you have a 50% chance of hitting mafia. As town, it is vitally important that you win your group and he hasn't been doing much to stick his head out and go after someone in his group. Seems a really odd attitude for town to have Plotting against us! -15 The point system was meaningless. The only reason why I did it because I thought it was fun ##unvote ##Vote Prplhz + Show Spoiler [Bonus] + On April 07 2014 02:29 prplhz wrote: List of people who give more than zero fucks: prplhz On April 08 2014 02:02 prplhz wrote: I'm out of this game, I just cannot read another gumshoe post. I don't think gumshoe is scum because it's impossible to fake this kind of dumb. I still think raynpelikonoshi was town. I think Steveling is scum. I think it is weird that Palmar changed his read on him in his last-reads-post without saying it in the thread. 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On April 08 2014 05:37 Steveling wrote: If by all you mean 1 vote differential then yes you are right. Why are you making stuff up again? Damn it, whenever it's lynch time confusing things happen. Whats confusing? Ceph doesnt give a shit cause hes busy town, nothing new there, we lynched coag yesterday so were not doing that again. If hes scum, why not vote Prplz, he came in here with an original read that he was the most likely to give (this is his cell afterall) cephs play screams townie, he does not care about getting lynched, he only cares about bieng right. Also he offered us all his reads to / : whereas prpl hasnt said jack about who he thinks is scum and isnt here (his resoning for cephiro was the its not him pretty much), hes just defended himself and denied shit like palmar and rayn were scum. As for holy, hes saying everything in his imagination to get ceph lynched without even once considering prplz is town, he has been consistently wrong this game and a poisen in towns side, do not listen to him. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:38 Holyflare wrote: lsb's post is 1000000000x better than whatever gumshoe has been saying btw THE BUS IS REAL, THE BUS IS REAL. YEAAAAAAAAH. Ready to vote Prplz : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:49 Cephiro wrote: We really need to lynch geript, everyone. He's not even trying right now since he's under no pressure from anyone but me. Get some votes on him and force him to talk. It needs to happen. If he actually cared about this lynch and was so sure about me being scum, why isn't he here trying to get me lynched this very moment? Why is prlz not here right now arguing your lynch? We are not lynching Geript. Period. | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:54 getmoript wrote: We do care about this lynch. We're just trying to decide which one of you we want to lynch. G wants you dead, btw. ~Cav I pray you can convince him otherwise ) : for all our sakes, god speed cavalinho, I knew you once as a doc who got outed by Geript wanting to lynch you when you were both town (huh, tell him about that time will ya? Seems relevant) but I know you today................ as hope : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 05:57 Cephiro wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2014 02:02 prplhz wrote: I'm out of this game, I just cannot read another gumshoe post. I don't think gumshoe is scum because it's impossible to fake this kind of dumb. I still think raynpelikonoshi was town. I think Steveling is scum. I think it is weird that Palmar changed his read on him in his last-reads-post without saying it in the thread. I also think it's weird that Steveling liked gumshoe's associative reads post on me so much, when Steveling didn't seem to agree with the scum reads in the post, especially Balla24 and mderg. If Holyflare doesn't get scum lynched today he's probably scum. Saying that I'm so town it hurts and then afking when he has the ability to get me off the hook is As for Balla24 inactivity: Not gonna check this thread any more. Because of you it seems. Geript on the other hand has not said that'd he'd be away or anything of the sort. I just don't see scum prplhz leaving it into the air like that, blatantly saying he won't be around anymore and not post anymore, when he said he'd make the lynch between me and himself. Or are you saying that if he's scum instead of geript, he'd actually leave the job for his scumbuddies to ensure a mislynch on me? -> Prp & holy & ? & ? in this case? It just seems too unlikely to me. How about you vote for geript or explain why you are 100% confident. I doubt you have reason to be 100% confident unless you're scum. I certainly am not, I am merely acting towards what I believe to be correct. Palmar is scum, palmar gives us rayns alignment ( palmer pushed for a lynch im my cell, which means rayn was scum and to win our cell scum would need me and steve to vote each other) rayns alignment gives us Geripts ( Wanted him dead 100 percent) they both said that no matter what, we should not lynch Prplz. At the time of them saying these things they pretty much ran the game, there was no reason for them to assume we would not listen to them. Therefore they did not bus. Why would scum lie about lies when they have no reason to suspect town thinks they're lies? Basically if Rayn and Palmer are scum (which they are) Prplz is scum. Also Holy hasnt cared about this game until now and we both know his accusation against you was scummy as shit. Why would he step in like this if Geript is his buddy? He could just let me lynch prplz and then laugh as town rips me apart. Holy has also offered shit reasons for why Prplz is town, yet defended him vehemently. Sorry bud, but it just makes all the sense no? | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:00 Holyflare wrote: dude is convinced i'm town when nobody else is when he has no information other than reading!  You are very good at bieng townie 0_0 i thought you were townie in cultured right up until the end, you are an insanley good scum player, your point could not be more wrong. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:03 Holyflare wrote: gggg ( : | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:00 getmoript wrote: ##unvote ##vote prplhz i'll trust cav on this one. I want you to know I wont forget this Geript, thank you. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:06 Holyflare wrote: rayn and palmar were town rofl, sentinel was scum and he had his unvote ready whatever you say bud. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:07 Holyflare wrote: ##unvote ##vote geript ^^^^^ voting for scum btw Really? Not even gonna try to buss? | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:08 Holyflare wrote: you realise when he flips town you lose right? If he flips town I will gladly fall upon my sword. Luckily thats not going to happen : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:09 getmoript wrote: Don't thank me. I want to lynch Ceph because I think prplhz is town. LSB's case convinced Cav and like HF said it's 10000000000000000x better than anything you're written on him and amazingly better than your associative bs. Like I want to lynch the fuck out of Ceph but Cav and I agreeing that LSB's case isn't bad makes me ok with sheeping it. Like I haven't been feeling well for a while now and I honestly am not going to give any more fucks about this abortion of a game. Ok Geript ) : | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote: I guarantee, my number 1 power rank spot that geript is mafia Ok holy, whatever you say best buddy | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote: You think lsb votes cephiro all the time to then just sheep you at an opportune moment and your lynch is a town wagon? You think cephiro only returns when the votes are on him and he's town? You think poofter isn't scum cz i am but he fulfilled my prophecy of return and sheep the not scum vote. Rofl gumshoe. The vote currently fits my entire theory holy. rayn and palmer are gone, leaving scum one less vote than usual. you and prplz votes are scattered off prplz, balla is afk. Thats the 3 scum. Theyre is no reason to panic for panics sake when everything appears just as I predicted it would. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:20 getmoript wrote: Yeah, the huge voteswap strikes me as a bit of an issue... I don't even know anymore. ~Cav If we assume Scum have only three members, we see that aside from ceph, three votes are not on prplz. No reason at all to panic. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:22 Steveling wrote: Meh, I still want to vote getript. Holy has basically scum claimed with his extremely erratic behaviour. Although lynching geript would be fun, it would not win us the game : D | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:24 mderg wrote: I honestly don´t like this prplhz lynch. It´s going too smoothly ##unvote ##vote: getmoript I have explained why. Holy balla and prplz are the scum team. Thats why things are so smooth, weve beaten them. If this was a scum pushed vote, why did the tide only turn when Lsb stepped in, in case you forgot there were more people on ceph before then. We are winning, stay the course people. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:30 Steveling wrote: Why are you doing this, you know perfectly well, both of you that, you played an abysmal game if you are town. Like coag's ML, he has only himself to blame, that's how bad he played. We havent won yet steve, no insults allowed : P | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:31 Holyflare wrote: I'm not voting you lol I was kidding. Why aren't you voting cephiro if he's voting you then? Umm why would prplz do that as scum? His job isnt to get town lynched, just to make sure he doesnt die... Cephiro attacking is not the optimal move to save himself. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:40 getmoript wrote: So him attacking me makes Ceph town but if he were to sheep your read or LSB's case that would make him scum? Wtf dude? If he sheeped me or lsbs read, he is more likely scum, cause hes just going with the flow. Same reason why Steve is town, why work against yourself if the situation doesnt call for it as scum? The fact that he makes things harder for himself to nail the guy he thinks is scum makes it extremely unlikely hes scum. Just a try hard townie. Voting Prplz is completley the best play as scum in this spot. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:44 getmoript wrote: yah Umm can you not agree with him? Hes gone from me bieng scum, to town, to scum again cause "rayn told him so", to town and finally I'm scum. lol | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:45 getmoript wrote: Like if I were alive tomorrow I'd be voting for Steve, but I'd 100% understand anyone voting for gum and I 100% support a vig shot on Gumshoe. Geript why dont you love me ) : | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:46 prplhz wrote: i can't believe tl towns are this bad without a marv/rayn/palm around shoutout to geript for being the only player here i enjoyed playing with no matter his alignment The one day palmer was around we lynched town... | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote: i know you're town bro i just want to rub it in gumshoe's face when you flip ok holy, whatever you say. | ||
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On April 08 2014 06:51 getmoript wrote: I think you're town. I actually really appreciate this. I want to push Ceph; I pushed Ceph. Gum is either being super awful for scum here. LSB has an ok shot at being scum too. Like too many people haven't cared about this game at all for the majority of it which means scum wins most likely. Such is Geript. | ||
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On April 08 2014 07:08 Steveling wrote: Like, in the early game I was the only one to not jump at you. Then after the first lynch you convinced me and this is how you repay me? I dont know man T_T I need to recalibrate, get my bearings, start fresh. I'll be back later. Ask any questions you have of me in the meantime, I'll answer them when I get back. | ||
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Here ya go Steve wp. You deserve this : D sorry town I fucked up T-T not much to say. I owe Geript a sheep I suppose / : | ||
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On April 08 2014 09:10 kitaman27 wrote: Is this LSB's first win as mafia in 4 years?! I never thought I'd live to see the day. Your welcome : D | ||
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