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getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 01:54 GMT
#2581
Gumshoe, I love how I didn't actually ask you who the mafia was in this cell but you gave us a ton of useful information anyways.

Prp has yet to answer the question himself, even though he is clearly reading the thread.

~Cav
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 06 2014 01:54 GMT
#2582
What question?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 01:56 GMT
#2583
On April 06 2014 10:54 prplhz wrote:
What question?


Bottom of page 128.

Who is the mafia in our cell and why?

~Cav
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 06 2014 01:58 GMT
#2584
Oh

Well my answer is that I don't really know. I was leaning you but after this flip it's become apparent that I need to reconsider my reads.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 01:59 GMT
#2585
On April 06 2014 10:58 prplhz wrote:
Oh

Well my answer is that I don't really know. I was leaning you but after this flip it's become apparent that I need to reconsider my reads.


Okay, and what information did you obtain to back that up with?

~Cav
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 06 2014 02:00 GMT
#2586
Not only are associative reads from lynchs horrible we still don't know for sure if [UoN]Sentinal or Palmar is town. Yes there would be no reason for Sentinal to make a jackass of himself before coming in at the end of the scumteam however it is all speculation from there.

Now I am saying that before I make my own associative reads. From now on I will say that Rayn was definitively scum.
1) His gumshoe case was weak. I don't think town rayn would spend most of his time tunneling someone and then suddenly drop it on a whim...
2) He claimed scum and got himself modkilled. I am all for policy lynching people who claim scum, especially people who claim scum because they know they are about to be sent to the TL ban list.

Rayn and Geript. I cannot fathom how rayn and geript would be on the same scumteam together. The level of acting and interaction would seriously have me question "Do you have a life? Or do you spend all your time pretending to argue?". To me their conversations are far too numerous and far to genuine to be faked.

Ceph is lurking far to hard to be readable. I actually don't think this is the first game in which he has done that though...

Time to filter prphz
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 06 2014 02:11 GMT
#2587
On April 06 2014 11:00 LSB wrote:
Not only are associative reads from lynchs horrible we still don't know for sure if [UoN]Sentinal or Palmar is town. Yes there would be no reason for Sentinal to make a jackass of himself before coming in at the end of the scumteam however it is all speculation from there.

Now I am saying that before I make my own associative reads. From now on I will say that Rayn was definitively scum.
1) His gumshoe case was weak. I don't think town rayn would spend most of his time tunneling someone and then suddenly drop it on a whim...
2) He claimed scum and got himself modkilled. I am all for policy lynching people who claim scum, especially people who claim scum because they know they are about to be sent to the TL ban list.

Rayn and Geript. I cannot fathom how rayn and geript would be on the same scumteam together. The level of acting and interaction would seriously have me question "Do you have a life? Or do you spend all your time pretending to argue?". To me their conversations are far too numerous and far to genuine to be faked.

Ceph is lurking far to hard to be readable. I actually don't think this is the first game in which he has done that though...

Time to filter prphz


If rayn is scum, the only person he liked in coags cell was Palmer / : Palmer likewise KNEW somehow that rayn was town.

And They both loved prplz. Yay Constants and variables!

Geript isn't scum, he just isn't. Yet rayn banked on winning this cell ( as his chosen orders implied) prplz makes too much sense / :

Associative reads have more than a place in this setup / : scum are so limited in their choices, they can't help but reveal themselves / :
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 02:14 GMT
#2588
We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.

We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.

(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )

~Cav
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 06 2014 02:17 GMT
#2589
On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:
We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.

We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.

(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )

~Cav


If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching.

I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 02:20 GMT
#2590
On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:
We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.

We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.

(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )

~Cav


If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching.

I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T


Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot.

Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know.

~Cav
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 06 2014 02:31 GMT
#2591
On April 06 2014 11:20 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:
We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.

We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.

(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )

~Cav


If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching.

I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T


Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot.

Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know.

~Cav

Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 06 2014 02:35 GMT
#2592
You realise a hydra is to fucking talk among yourselves im a qt and then post your thoughts as one? Please stop this useless contradictory crap.

Rayn and palmar are both scum.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 06 2014 02:37 GMT
#2593
On April 06 2014 11:31 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 11:20 getmoript wrote:
On April 06 2014 11:17 gumshoe wrote:
On April 06 2014 11:14 getmoript wrote:
We told you the mayor was important. We told you and nobody listened.

We're still lynching in rayn's cell, btw. No reason to throw a perfectly good noose away, even though I'm fairly convinced that rayn was scum based on the way he handled attacking us, and the fact that Steve and gumshoe look supertown right now.

(Though if rayn winds up on the banlist I'm going to be upset. )

~Cav


If we lynch a townie in our cell it counts as a loss, we are no lynching.

I also really hope rayn doesn't get banned ) : I'm a bit responsible for all that went down as well me feels T-T


Oh really? Nevermind, you guys should no-lynch then. I've already posted my short case on rayn earlier and I still think it holds water due to the way he changed his play and whatnot.

Not like I'll have much of a say at that point, but you know.

~Cav

Uh no. Rayn was town. No lynching means we lose a point if Rayn was town. nononononononononononononononono


Geript, no offence, but I am so happy that I won't have to keep trying trying to convince you after today XD
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 06 2014 03:49 GMT
#2594
I haven't been able to devote time to this. I will try to catch up tomorrow as I'm off work. Sucks we missed on Coag thats all I've really seen.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
April 06 2014 04:57 GMT
#2595
On April 06 2014 11:35 Holyflare wrote:
You realise a hydra is to fucking talk among yourselves im a qt and then post your thoughts as one? Please stop this useless contradictory crap.

Rayn and palmar are both scum.

It is like hurricane sponge said

Lol
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
April 06 2014 04:57 GMT
#2596
Hydra newbies

"He's scum!
No he's scum!"
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 06 2014 06:37 GMT
#2597
Above all I really would like to see Cephiro be more active. I don't want him to take this cell mafia game as a free pass to do absolutely nothing.

In specific I would like to see Cephiro's thoughts on Prphz and Geript.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 06 2014 08:44 GMT
#2598
Decided that Cephiro is scum.

Lets make the lynch between Cephiro and me?

##Vote Cephiro
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mderg
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1740 Posts
April 06 2014 10:29 GMT
#2599
On April 06 2014 10:15 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 06:34 mderg wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:08 getmoript wrote:
On April 06 2014 00:01 mderg wrote:
Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours.
I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home.


right now:
getmoript - strong townread
prplhz - slight townread
Cephiro - slight scumread

Can you explain how you ended up at these conclusions plz?

I already said that I would post my exact thoughts later on, I just had to leave really fast.





getmoript: (I know it´s a hydra, it just sounds strange to use they, so I´ll say he)
At the start he actually seems kinda scummy, wanting to policy lynch Holyflare. Also lynching Palmar just to be sure his reads are legit is sacrificing too much. He´s also incredibly focused on becoming mayor and insanely confident. All this doesn´t seem like townie behavior at all
On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote:
Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town.
2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor.


On April 02 2014 05:23 getmoript wrote:
I 100% think I can nail scum in the first two groups but I'm also realistic that there's a good chance for mislynching in those first two as well.


What actually makes me think that getmoript is town is the decline in confidence. The reads (especially on cell 1) change really often. The only really consistent read is scum on prplhz.
On April 04 2014 09:35 getmoript wrote:
Actually I've thought about it. I still think Rayn is scum here. My instinct says he's scum with Palmer/HF, but quite frankly if they're scum, they've played a fine game and this is information that we shouldn't have. So I'm striking this off of any accusation I see and holding it against anyone who uses it. We rate and vote for people based only and solely on their merits. If they beat us, they beat us.

Posts like this don´t really show the confidence that was there early on.

This looks like he thought it would be easy to figure the game out and scum were obvious finds. But as the game goes on the reads often change and it looks like they are based on rereading filters, rethinking other options and including new input.
Overall I just get this really townie vibe about getmoript as his thoughts about the game are progressing.



prplhz:
Looks scummy at the start because of the heavy focus on the cell order and wanting to lynch unreadables first (I agreed with him back then but that was stupid). It also seems like he´s nitpicking and sometimes focusing on small details like single words which just aren´t chosen carefully (this may just be my flawed perception).
He gets town points for not wanting palmar as first lynch just to know his reads were legit. He´s also pushing others to give their opinions and reads like here:
On April 03 2014 18:56 prplhz wrote:
@palmar who you voting for mayor?

On April 03 2014 23:28 prplhz wrote:
okay

what's your read on me flare?

In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible.
What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe.



Cephiro:
basically he only posted two huge walls of text. That in itself doesn´t tell much about his alignment but he certainly didn´t put much effort into this game. He´s saying that he doesn´t like the people discussing the orders in which order the cells should be lynched.
On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
General note: Not liking the people who are talking about which order we should lynch the cells in at the start of the game, such as Sentinel.

He himself is also discussing the lynch order, though.
On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
Fairly interesting post by LSB, his first post with a clear agenda. While I personally like the idea of being able to cut off the inactives players to start with, once the initial order is decided it cannot be changed. I don't think that the first 48 hours will necessarily tell us enough as for the players activities, and if we have lynch targets for reasons other than inactivity, we should go for those first in my opinion.

The major difference being that he´s discussing it as direct responses to posts where the order is discussed.

He´s very focused on emphasizing the importance of getting reads from everyone, especially those who´ll be lynched first but he provides almost no reads himself. Like he is just repeating what he knows is good townplay without actually doing it himself.
It seems like he tried to stay under the radar in his cell while getmoript and prplhz are fighting each other and hoping one of them gets lynched in the process.


In the midst of a vote thats happening RIGHT now, Mderg sees fit to post a wall of text regarding the next cell and barely acknowledges the shit storm going on in thread 0_0 this is because to Mderg, this cells result dont matter, so long as it's not palmer he doesnt care. Which is why hes already moved onto the next one.



I posted this because I fucking said I would when I got home. It was the first thing I did after coming home. It was not because I saw it fit in the midst of what was happening. You could see it as part of my last post before that where I didn´t have time to properly write my reasons for my reads.






On April 06 2014 10:43 gumshoe wrote:
Mderg:
In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible.
What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe.

(would just like to not how fucking scummy the bolded is given what we pretty much know)

I don´t see it scummy in any way. I still don´t think rayns drunken rage can in any way be interpreted as him being town or scum. You just dont´make sense when you´re completely drunk.


These are reads based on proper reasoning, not some shit like he said that when he was drunk and got himself modkilled.
On April 06 2014 09:14 Steveling wrote:
HOLY CRAP I REALISED SOMETHING UPON READING THIS

Coag lost by 1 vote right?
But we all thought that sentinel was gonna get lynched because we thought my vote on him was legit. Turns out it was exactly on 00:00 so it wasn't.

AND HERE'S THE THING, SENTINEL VOTED ON HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS MAD FROM GETTING BUS'D!!!!
AND HE DID THAT BEFORE MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO WAY A SCUM WOULD DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO IF HES NOT SCUM AND COAG IS NOT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG PALMAR

On April 06 2014 09:40 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 09:36 getmoript wrote:
Hell did you see how many times his reads changed at the end. Like his first list of scumreads had both Ceph and me as scum. Like WTF. Then when you read that post it's even more full of total WTF. I don't think Sent is great as town, but I refuse to believe that he is that incapable or stupid as town. Like that's not in his game. Generally, when it comes between Dumb or Scum it's often more correct to assume the latter than the former.


Stop being stupid. Palmar sheeped his scum read (me) on to sentinel to look towny but failed. The more you try and reason a town palmar the more likely mafia you are geript.

This makes it very likely that Palmar was scum.
On April 06 2014 11:11 gumshoe wrote:
If rayn is scum, the only person he liked in coags cell was Palmer / : Palmer likewise KNEW somehow that rayn was town.

And They both loved prplz. Yay Constants and variables!

With Palmar being likely scum and this you get rayn as scum. That´s pretty convincing. Palmar and rayn liking prplhz also seems incriminating. Inn addition to that prplhz acted strangely in the last lynch.

This is a convincing reason, that fucking drunk rage which got rayn modkilled is not a convincing reason.



##vote: prplhz
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 06 2014 10:37 GMT
#2600
@mderg I explained my behavior during lynch, please tell me why you don't find my explanation adequate.
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