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On April 06 2014 10:01 Steveling wrote:getript did you even read that Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:14 Steveling wrote:
HOLY CRAP I REALISED SOMETHING UPON READING THIS
Coag lost by 1 vote right?
But we all thought that sentinel was gonna get lynched because we thought my vote on him was legit. Turns out it was exactly on 00:00 so it wasn't.
AND HERE'S THE THING, SENTINEL VOTED ON HIMSELF BECAUSE HE WAS MAD FROM GETTING BUS'D!!!!
AND HE DID THAT BEFORE MY VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NO WAY A SCUM WOULD DO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO IF HES NOT SCUM AND COAG IS NOT SCUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OMG PALMAR How do you explain his play as scum?
I read it. The issue is that you're assuming that Palmar was scum based on a single piece of information. A votelist does not make Palmar scum by itself.
Here's an alternative interpretation: what if Palmar was actually obvious town that nobody voted for and that the entire scumteam piled on to Coag and lurked because of an easy lynch? Did you even notice what happened when Coag had like 9 votes on him? Almost everybody stopped playing at once. Even if Palmar was scum, Coag was still far and away an easier lynch than Sentinel. Nobody put up a fight until the lynch started to flip and I think that the difficulty of the lynch is actually particularly telling.
I think it was pretty clear that Coag was innocent (even if my reasoning at the time wasn't particularly great) but his votelist might actually be a super useful piece of information. There's a pretty big chance that a large portion of this game's scumteam was on Coag's wagon due to it being such a safe vote in the first place. Don't throw that kind of information away just because you assume Palmar was scum.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote:
meh
##Vote Coagulation
He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript?
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Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up?
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On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript?
The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again.
~Cav
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On April 06 2014 10:07 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:05 Alakaslam wrote:On April 06 2014 10:04 Alakaslam wrote:
Well
I don't think CEPHIRO is scum at all
Getmoript is unlikely but possible scum.
I am pretty sure purplhrz is scum
So
##Vote: prplhz Excuse me. Palmer is dead. Rayn is effectively dead. Your vote belongs to me or else you're scum.
This is a senseless conclusion, u see not with the eyes of chupazi
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On April 06 2014 06:34 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 00:08 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 00:01 mderg wrote:
Finished filtering cell 5. Was really exhausting and somehow took over 2 hours.
I will post my exact thoughts later today when I get home.
right now:
getmoript - strong townread
prplhz - slight townread
Cephiro - slight scumread Can you explain how you ended up at these conclusions plz?  I already said that I would post my exact thoughts later on, I just had to leave really fast. getmoript: (I know it´s a hydra, it just sounds strange to use they, so I´ll say he) At the start he actually seems kinda scummy, wanting to policy lynch Holyflare. Also lynching Palmar just to be sure his reads are legit is sacrificing too much. He´s also incredibly focused on becoming mayor and insanely confident. All this doesn´t seem like townie behavior at all Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote:
Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town.
2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:23 getmoript wrote:
I 100% think I can nail scum in the first two groups but I'm also realistic that there's a good chance for mislynching in those first two as well. What actually makes me think that getmoript is town is the decline in confidence. The reads (especially on cell 1) change really often. The only really consistent read is scum on prplhz. Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 09:35 getmoript wrote:
Actually I've thought about it. I still think Rayn is scum here. My instinct says he's scum with Palmer/HF, but quite frankly if they're scum, they've played a fine game and this is information that we shouldn't have. So I'm striking this off of any accusation I see and holding it against anyone who uses it. We rate and vote for people based only and solely on their merits. If they beat us, they beat us. Posts like this don´t really show the confidence that was there early on. This looks like he thought it would be easy to figure the game out and scum were obvious finds. But as the game goes on the reads often change and it looks like they are based on rereading filters, rethinking other options and including new input. Overall I just get this really townie vibe about getmoript as his thoughts about the game are progressing. prplhz: Looks scummy at the start because of the heavy focus on the cell order and wanting to lynch unreadables first (I agreed with him back then but that was stupid). It also seems like he´s nitpicking and sometimes focusing on small details like single words which just aren´t chosen carefully (this may just be my flawed perception). He gets town points for not wanting palmar as first lynch just to know his reads were legit. He´s also pushing others to give their opinions and reads like here: In general his posts feel like he wants town to get as much information and reads as possible. What I also like is that he doesn´t think the circumstances of rayns modkill can be indicative of rayns alignment. I mean, he was drunk and got modkilled in a similar way in catastrophe. Cephiro: basically he only posted two huge walls of text. That in itself doesn´t tell much about his alignment but he certainly didn´t put much effort into this game. He´s saying that he doesn´t like the people discussing the orders in which order the cells should be lynched. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
General note: Not liking the people who are talking about which order we should lynch the cells in at the start of the game, such as Sentinel.
He himself is also discussing the lynch order, though. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:04 Cephiro wrote:
Fairly interesting post by LSB, his first post with a clear agenda. While I personally like the idea of being able to cut off the inactives players to start with, once the initial order is decided it cannot be changed. I don't think that the first 48 hours will necessarily tell us enough as for the players activities, and if we have lynch targets for reasons other than inactivity, we should go for those first in my opinion.
The major difference being that he´s discussing it as direct responses to posts where the order is discussed. He´s very focused on emphasizing the importance of getting reads from everyone, especially those who´ll be lynched first but he provides almost no reads himself. Like he is just repeating what he knows is good townplay without actually doing it himself. It seems like he tried to stay under the radar in his cell while getmoript and prplhz are fighting each other and hoping one of them gets lynched in the process.
In the midst of a vote thats happening RIGHT now, Mderg sees fit to post a wall of text regarding the next cell and barely acknowledges the shit storm going on in thread 0_0 this is because to Mderg, this cells result dont matter, so long as it's not palmer he doesnt care. Which is why hes already moved onto the next one.
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On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote:
Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up?
G was the one making a case on Sentinel.
Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time.
~Cav
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I don't see it.
Why would prplhz not be scum
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On April 06 2014 10:14 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote:
meh
##Vote Coagulation He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav
So why switch onto sent in the first place?
JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL
A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY
Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much.
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On April 06 2014 10:16 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote:
Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up? G was the one making a case on Sentinel. Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time. ~Cav
What, are you kidding me?
Man it's so obvious you are not reading the thread I want to punch my screen.
Me and gumshoe both asked HF why he changed vote without providing a reason.
He obviously took coag's word at face value.
Then Palmar said " fuck it lets vote sentinel ", so literally he took HF's word on face value.
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On April 06 2014 06:42 LSB wrote:
Scum claiming, yelling drunkenly that his split personality is stupid and getting himself modkilled.
About to be lynched, helps the wagon by self vote naming everyone voting for you scum.
Only in Cell Maifa.
Does the bolded not sound bitter to you?
This is the scum team btw.
Palmer
Rayn
Prp
Mderg
Lsb/balla (only cell im not sure on, though pretty confident slam is town)
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On April 06 2014 10:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:14 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote:
meh
##Vote Coagulation He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav So why switch onto sent in the first place? Show nested quote +JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL
A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much.
This is actually good reasoning, I didn't see it that way.
Ultimately, this gives us even more reason to sit down and start interrogating prp for his motives behind his voteswitching. I like it.
~Cav
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Why do you think i said the scum were x, y, z? It's because palmer is scum. There is no need to be present and flip votes between 2 town as scum at deadline.
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On April 06 2014 09:56 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 09:45 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 09:43 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 09:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 06 2014 09:36 getmoript wrote:
Hell did you see how many times his reads changed at the end. Like his first list of scumreads had both Ceph and me as scum. Like WTF. Then when you read that post it's even more full of total WTF. I don't think Sent is great as town, but I refuse to believe that he is that incapable or stupid as town. Like that's not in his game. Generally, when it comes between Dumb or Scum it's often more correct to assume the latter than the former. Stop being stupid. Palmar sheeped his scum read (me) on to sentinel to look towny but failed. The more you try and reason a town palmar the more likely mafia you are geript. So we should stop trying to reason things out and looking for scummy connections? Good to know. ~Cav No im reasoning with you here : D lets arrive at the truth together k? I'm trying to. Also, I'm going to post my thoughts on the other two in my cell. Cephiro really needs to talk more before we finalize our lynch, and his vote on Coag is complete bullshit because he didn't mention Coag at any point during his giant wall-of-text posts. I don't think he even acknowledged that Coag was in the game up until that point. We know nothing about him because he's hardly even playing. Prp was jumping around and being mega wishy-washy about Sentinel's lynch. These three posts: Show nested quote +JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL
A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY Are evidence of clear flimsy vote switching. Prp is scummy, but we know next to nothing about Cephiro other than his early game posts, and he pretty much coasted up until this point. Personally, I think there's plenty of information that makes the Cavborg look townie and prp look scummy. The only issue is that Ceph hasn't said shit other than those giant wall-of-text posts and a vote on Coag with no reasoning behind it. (Seriously the dude doesn't even admit that he's sheeping someone wtf?) With information like that in the thread, it's a little odd that people just go "Palmar was scum because Sentinel selfvoted meta meta meta." Sentinel's lynch was clearly a big deal to a certain someone, but we're all overlooking it because we think Palmar was scum. Honestly, what other reason would prp have to flip flop like that before the lynch? It's not the best evidence, but it seems solid enough to start asking more questions. Prp, why were you flip flopping around Sentinel's lynch? You seemed like you were dead-set on voting Sentinel off, and then you kinda flipped back to Coag for no particular reason. Elaborate more pls. ~Cav
Yes.
At the beginning of the day I filtered [UoN]Sentinel and concluded that he was town. That's why I didn't do much today, the lynch was going on Coagulation and I was perfectly happy with that. At the same time people were poking [UoN]Sentinel and Coagulation and I didn't think there was any reason for me to clutter the thread too much.
I came into this thread tonight around 40 mins before deadline. I saw that Palmar had moved his vote to [UoN]Sentinel and I thought that this was a little odd because I had a firm town read on [UoN]Sentinel but at the same time I also had a firm town read on Palmar so I started doubting myself. In any case I noticed that it was 30 minutes since Palmar had moved his vote but no one else had moved their votes and I found this odd because Palmar's opinion usually carries a lot of weight. (Later I realized that it was because Palmar wasn't actually pushing [UoN]Sentinel but just placing his vote). I thought to myself that I didn't really know who to lynch. On one hand I thought [UoN]Sentinel was town but on the other hand my biggest town read thought he was scum.
Anyway, I decided to vote for [UoN]Sentinel simply to see what would happen. Maybe scum wanted to switch away from Coagulation but were afraid to be first vote and maybe there was some information to gain from voting patterns. I did not believe that [UoN]Sentinel would be lynched at this point.
Then suddenly three other people also switched their votes and I wrote to Palmar and asked him to remember to say if he saw anything suspicious. It was getting close to deadline and I didn't really know what was going on so I wanted his thoughts before he died. Then [UoN]Sentinel made a post that could only come from a townie, the one where he changed all of his reads and voted for himself. This convinced me that [UoN]Sentinel had to be town and I switched my vote back to Coagulation. I still didn't think there was any danger of a [UoN]Sentinel lynch at this point, I had counted 5-6 votes for [UoN]Sentinel and that left plenty of votes for Coagulation.
Hence the flip flopping. I voted for [UoN]Sentinel because Palmar's vote had me doubting and because of curiosity, and I changed my vote back because [UoN]Sentinel made a post I don't think scum can make. That's also why, when Coagulation flipped town, I started thinking that Palmar had to be scum.
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On April 06 2014 10:21 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:18 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 10:14 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 10:12 gumshoe wrote:On April 06 2014 06:38 prplhz wrote:
meh
##Vote Coagulation He typed meh before his vote back onto coag, after switching from Sentinel who he pretty much only voted because he was sheeping plam 0_0 how is this not the definition of apathetic Geript? The issue isn't that he said "meh," it's that he was dead set on lynching Sentinel and then just kind of went "fuck it back to Coag" without any reasoning behind it. Read those three quotes again. ~Cav So why switch onto sent in the first place? JOIN THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUSNESS ON SENTINEL
A VOTE FOR SENTINEL IS A VOTE FOR VICTORY Does that read as scum on scum to you? It makes no sense from his scum view if either Coag or Sent are scum, but it makes absolutely perfect sense if it doesnt matter who gets lynched. Sentinel is having fun here / : he really doesn't give a shit and his fickleness says as much. This is actually good reasoning, I didn't see it that way. Ultimately, this gives us even more reason to sit down and start interrogating prp for his motives behind his voteswitching. I like it. ~Cav
YOU SEE THAT MUTHERFUCKERS, REASON AND CIVILTY FOR THE WIN BITCH!!!!!!!!!!
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Also if you read palmar's filter this is the first time he gets frilly with his sheeping.
Like I don't think he ever sheeped before in this game.
And then suddenly he's like "yeah lets vote sentinel why not" 50mins before the deadline.
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Yay! We all agree that Palmar is likely scum! If hes scum, we can be pretty much CERTAIN that Rayn is scum : D That said, ummm.
On April 06 2014 06:41 Palmar wrote:
Like I've posted most of this stuff before.
prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him.
geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town.
So ceph is mafia.
Purp... you see how things dont look pretty right?
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Yes. I also think this final voteswitch was to create chaos. But it ended up with him suddenly appearing very scum to the entire thread.
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On April 06 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:Yay! We all agree that Palmar is likely scum! If hes scum, we can be pretty much CERTAIN that Rayn is scum : D That said, ummm. Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 06:41 Palmar wrote:
Like I've posted most of this stuff before.
prplhz is town. No arguing, I'm better than anyone on TL at reading him.
geript is probably town, he has, or for the most part Cav, has said some strange things, but geript also looks really mafia when he's mafia, so I'm just relying on the fact I always know he's mafia day 1 when he is to tell me he hast to be town.
So ceph is mafia.
Purp... you see how things dont look pretty right?
Not even going to argue against this, sorry.
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On April 06 2014 10:18 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2014 10:16 getmoript wrote:On April 06 2014 10:13 Steveling wrote:
Wait a minute there, I'm not sure I remember correctly but didn't coag start the sentinel wagon?
Then HF jumped on it quickly and then Palmar and then the rest of the herd followed.
Are you making stuff up? G was the one making a case on Sentinel. Unless you actually want to believe that everyone took Coag's word at face value and just kinda had the entire game flip for no particular reason. The Cavborg has been trying to get people off of Coag almost the entire time. ~Cav What, are you kidding me? Man it's so obvious you are not reading the thread I want to punch my screen. Me and gumshoe both asked HF why he changed vote without providing a reason. He obviously took coag's word at face value. Then Palmar said " fuck it lets vote sentinel ", so literally he took HF's word on face value.
I'm going to reread and make sure this is what happened, we'll talk more at a different time.
As for right now, I'm about to go off and do something else for a while. So before I address prp and his wall-of-text, I'd like to ask him one more simple question:
Which one of us in this cell is scum, and why?
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