Cell Mini Mafia

On April 02 2014 10:20 getmoript wrote:

Esplain

On April 02 2014 03:45 Alakaslam wrote:
One fish two fish red fish blue fish

I am a red fish

Anyway. Elect me mayor?

On April 02 2014 10:33 Alakaslam wrote:

But I suck at this.

Holyflare, if you had to say one of LSB and Balla is scum, who, why?

However if I am scummier than both, why?

On April 02 2014 10:34 Alakaslam wrote:

No I already said it is republican

On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote:



Well yeah thats the best scenario and you SHOULD be making connections in your own group for sure like I'm reading you and the mderg guy but I think giving public opinions of your own cell during this day is silly. You should be sharing your views on people outside your cell if you find scum outside they bad ass lets get em boys!! but you should be making those connections public because that is harder for scum to do to openly talk about other group because they might have to talk to their scum teammates or give a strong read on them one way or the other something they would NEVER have to do talking about their own group. Its easy as both alignments to read your own group just find one person who is scummy or super townie and its solved but that doesn't help the rest of town. Inherently we have a 66% chance of lynching wrong each day and we have 5 days so if we random lynched every day we lose so building connections outside of your own group is important.

The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team.

On April 02 2014 10:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

read my filter. most likely +3 scum.
Plammer group is mystery.

On April 02 2014 10:51 Tehpoofter wrote:



I will read my group and am reading my group but posting about it today I find useless and if you don't want to do that thats your prerogative but I think its an awesome idea and I'm going to do it either way cause I think its way more townie to do so. I will give my reads come cell 2 lynch day.

On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:

God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it.

On April 02 2014 11:00 Alakaslam wrote:

Hate to say but yes I would confirm you three...

On April 02 2014 11:08 Tehpoofter wrote:



I will not be commenting on what I think you or mderg's alignment is until its day 2's lynch day. I'm looking for scum elsewhere.

On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:
Holyflaire.



this game



The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern.

On April 02 2014 19:35 Steveling wrote:
Pick two between slam, tehpoofer, holyflare, balla, sentinel and prplhz and I'll go hunting.

On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote:


Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him?

On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post?
You didn't quote anything.

On April 02 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote:


Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game?

Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg

On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.

Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.

On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:

I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important.

Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.

On April 02 2014 19:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
@ Holyflare
what do you make of the tehpoofter posts?
Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous.

First post:
"I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell"

Second post:
"I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees)

Third post:
"I disagree with prplhz"

Fourth post:
" amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? "

On April 02 2014 11:13 Habout ourlare wrote:


I don't really see you doing that, just pointing out things that you would do "if you were scum". I've pointed out a more than obvious conclusion on someone in our cell that the whole thread is now privy to. Why neglect to comment on that at all? Today is the day we scum hunt. Why hold back information that follows that instead of talking about it?

Connection theories are great but not something you should withold reads on someone very scummy for.

On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.

Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason.

On April 02 2014 20:51 Palmar wrote:


Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff.

To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game.

Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?

On April 02 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:


You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.

On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.

On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:

And that post is 24 hours into the game.

Your point?

On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:


This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference.

On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:


Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.

On April 02 2014 22:54 gumshoe wrote:


I realized I was wrong on Mderg because of how much heat he was getting and his crap meta, I was honest about this and have adressed this point. Town change thier reads all the time, because thier town. As for my case, I pointed out similarities to a scum game of his were he pushed me in a similar manner 0_0. I also didnt like how certain he was I am scum before hearing steve talk. I then explained why all his actions make sense from a scum perspective. How does that make no sense? Provide proof please. I think Balla is scum btw. so there ya go. How is Balla townie? You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy.

Anyways point answered, 3 scum on mdern.

You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy

On April 02 2014 23:20 gumshoe wrote:


As scum I find you put slightly less effort than as town, this is judging by cultured vs heavy and snippets of voice/video play(though I do take those with a grain of salt.)

Because I know Rayn is scum 0_0 like 100 percent now that Steve's bled green. There is no reason I should sheep anyone in this game on matters regarding my cell, because I know way more than them.

On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote:
How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi?

On April 02 2014 23:41 gumshoe wrote:


Also how is it no way townshoe? Have you played a scum game with me? Point it out XD

On April 02 2014 23:45 gumshoe wrote:


I think you played fine that game 0_0 and totally read and responded to each of my questions. You were just caught out fast cause Marv is awesome, otherwise you were never getting lynched that day.

On April 02 2014 23:44 gumshoe wrote:


Maybe were all town and Artanis is the true scum? Wtf is this? I always assume scum play to the best of thier ability, this a tenent of my play going back to the first game I played on these forums, I am assuming they are a force to be reckoned with. You on the other hand are suggesting were totally winning, theyre afk, theres no reason to worry. Assuming that scum are as weak as possible to lure town into a false security XD ala scum holy.

On April 03 2014 00:22 gumshoe wrote:
Like, Rayn, we agree Steve is town right? Therefore, either way at least one scum player is extremely active. If that scum player is you, that means the most active player in the game (who has had several active players, such as Holy and Balla back him up at certain points,) is scum. If I'm scum on the other hand, my team could be lurking, or not, but I am still extremely active. If we know that one of the two most active players in the game is scum, why is it so hard to bilieve that the scum team as a whole is active? Thats certainly the case if Rayn is scum, which I know he is.

On April 03 2014 00:29 gumshoe wrote:


Do you think I legitimately fucking believed Steve is scum because he games late? Now this is just retarded, if you want to call me scum for risky scum hunting, do so, but dont you dare present me as such a fucking idiot.

On April 02 2014 22:19 mderg wrote:
just got home and skimmed through this. Gonna catch up completely now.

On April 02 2014 23:51 mderg wrote:
I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.
Narrowing down our vision on only gumshoe seems bad to me. Even if he is scum, it doesn´t tell us much about any connections because right now everybody is ganging up on him.



Also my name is mderg. Not mdreg, mdern, derg or anything else.

On April 03 2014 00:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Holyflare what do you think of geript "policy HF because if he is scum he is bussing in this game". Do you see why it does not make sense in the first place?

~rayn

On April 03 2014 01:01 gumshoe wrote:
I mean, my cell is pretty much the most transparent, we havent heard enough from sent or coag to vote Plamar, I dont trust Holy as far I can throw him and no other group has been open enough for a confident vote (except Geript's maybe) why not vote steve? Does a single person here think hes scum?

On April 03 2014 01:23 gumshoe wrote:




Im not voting you 0_0 your scum.

On April 03 2014 02:19 prplhz wrote:

i thought mostly scum were on your back?

and now that your main scum read suddenly lets you go as his main scum read, you go "nice, i'm afk now LOL"

i swear on my life that gum is scum

can we please get over this dumb shit, gum has been theatrical all game and i don't know why you would put this beyond him

On April 03 2014 02:37 Steveling wrote:
So, if I just swear all is forfeit then? lol?

Also you have no line of reasoning in this, yes?

Finally, I said 2 times already that a single lynch removes a cell and it's 1-0 for them. I will defend myself so I won't get ML.

But mates, you made a solid case on gumshoe, now you say you flip flop on him because he swore????
Even gumshoe himself will think 100% of you as scum now.

I don't know if you are doing this just to bait a reaction off of me, a la gumshoe style but this is borderline cheating.
Can the mods speak up on this matter?

On April 03 2014 02:40 Holyflare wrote:


huuuuuuuuuuh? how is this cheating in any way, shape or form?

On April 03 2014 02:46 getmoript wrote:

Look, that's flat out cheating regardless and I won't do it.
~g

On April 03 2014 02:50 Palmar wrote:
Stfu holyflare

On April 02 2014 16:24 getmoript wrote:

I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum.

On April 03 2014 02:58 getmoript wrote:
We've talked about prplhz some. We've talked about mayor strategy some and how to get it. I've made some notes for him on my read through. I've commented Rayn being conf scum. I actually kinda feel back because I've posted more in the thread than in our log and explained more in here than I have there.

On April 03 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare what do you think about ryankoshi now?

On April 03 2014 03:39 Steveling wrote:


How do you not get it.

If I'm town I played well, confirmed my role and am promoting our agenda.
If I'm scum I played even better, tricked my 2 cellmates into thinking I'm town and will secure 1 ML and a point for our team.

This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.
Oh and all the while he speaks as if his retarded stuff makes actual sense.

You may say I overreact, maybe I do but I'm also right.

What's even more infuriating though is how this stunt he pulled doesn't raise any eyebrows.
Like, how do they still get town reads after that.
You guys messed up my football game I'm about to watch in 5mins.

On April 03 2014 03:51 prplhz wrote:
i'm confused

does getmoript even think i'm scum?

On April 03 2014 03:25 Holyflare wrote:
This was the last thing you pretty much wrote before your return.




This is now your stance.




You've completely changed now. What the hell is your actual read and on who?

On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

On April 03 2014 04:02 Steveling wrote:



This is wrong. You made sound judgment all game long. You made a solid case.
Then there's that.
No it's not ok and I don't care that no one OBVIOUSLY followed you.
If you can't understand that what you did is scummy and game ruining then we have an issue here.

On April 03 2014 04:06 Steveling wrote:
Um, the game ruining part was towards gumshoe not you two.
Anyway, I found a working stream for my game.

Cya in another game probably.

On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.

~rayn

On April 03 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:


the fact that he says if nobody follows you scum won't be worried? :D:D:D:D mderg, steve scum?

On April 03 2014 05:00 Palmar wrote:


This is probably the case, but I'm now officially rooting for Steve so I'm going to give him every opportunity to explain himself.

On April 03 2014 04:54 Holyflare wrote:
Ok this is simple. Gumshoe "betting" his life wouldn't be cheating unless it actually meant something. Rayn switched to steve because of this and now steve is pissed off at gumshoe "cheating" so steve is scum rayn and gumshoe are town.

On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?

Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.

On April 03 2014 05:43 LSB wrote:

If only I had a large list that contained my thoughts on every cell in the game

On April 03 2014 05:50 Steveling wrote:
I explained the reason why I wanted(still want actually) to not post again, prplhz.
The retarded situation with the swearing thing and now the other the fact that people aren't fos'ing him after that hollywood level stunt he pulled off.
If you think that I'm an enraged scum, well nothing stops you.
But it has nothing to do with my alignment if I may say that.

I have played as scum under pressure in one game and it was in a game with gumshoe. Ask him if I would react like that.

It's blowing my mind that ryan basically said " I can do wtf I want you maggots" and no one is questioning him.
It's also tying it up with gumshoe when he claimed that ryankoshi twisted their argument to suit him.
I didn't listen gumshoe, I'm sorry. I deserve to be killed.

On April 03 2014 19:57 mderg wrote:
##unvote

forgot to do that yesterday. I can´t trust rayn with that right now, if he does things based on strange logic.
After thinking it through I don´t think he´s scum for his switch, though. It´s way too far fetched to think scum would really benefit from that. I narrowed down my view too much in the heat of the moment.


Holyflare, which cell do you want to be up first?

On April 03 2014 20:11 mderg wrote:

That seems to be bad reason... is there any real tell town could make based on my flip?

On April 03 2014 20:19 mderg wrote:

But I think you are way more likely to be scum than him.

On April 03 2014 20:29 Steveling wrote:


Between that and the qt sharing thing yesterday I think I'm the only one understanding the rules.

On April 03 2014 20:31 mderg wrote:
I think you are scum and just trying to get a fast and easy lynch on one player in your cell (me).
First you point me out as certain scum like 4 hours into the game. After that almost every suspicion or calling people out was strongly related to me (gumshoe defended me concerning my wagon, I defended steveling). You didn´t really push any other cases, mainly focused on people with a connection to the case on me.
So I thought I´d ask you which cell you want to be up first to reinforce my suspicion. You answered exactly like I thought you would by searching for a fast and easy misslynch on me.
Right now the only real reads to be made on me flipping town would be regarding cell1 which has been in chaos the whole game. Not much for the other scum to fear.


That´s my take on you right now, Holyflare

On April 03 2014 20:37 Holyflare wrote:


Stop talking in useless cryptics and explain your shit. You say rayn is scum because he was on gumshoe and it was a strong case. If everyone was following that case then everyone would vote gumshoe and then if rayn was scum it would be a victory. Why does he need to switch to you for any reason whatsoever?

On April 03 2014 22:04 Palmar wrote:
Holy has your read on mderg not changed at all now that he's back in the thread and posting?

On April 03 2014 22:11 Palmar wrote:


This is interesting because you seem to have given the chance of poof being scum almost no consideration either. I skimmed your filter and almost all your posts about poofter are you encouraging him to agree with you on mdario.

On April 03 2014 22:25 Palmar wrote:


Do you think Steve is mafia, do you think he'll get lynched tomorrow?

On April 03 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote:

But do you think he'll get lynched tomorrow if rayn is chosen mayor?

On April 03 2014 22:33 Palmar wrote:

You're mafia.

On April 03 2014 22:36 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Holyflare why are you not insane?

~rayn

On April 03 2014 22:42 Palmar wrote:
What's the point in scumderg to defend scumling HF?

On April 03 2014 22:49 Steveling wrote:
Well, both of you holyflare and palmar asked me to not ragequit but you are ignoring my read on ryan.
When you believe him over me after what he did I can't really do much more.

On April 03 2014 22:59 Palmar wrote:
Even if you side with gum, no one else was going to. If rayn is mafia he has half of town in his pocket.

Like my main reservations about this lynch is that you might actually be town and gumshoe is mafia. I'm not lynching rayn.

On April 03 2014 23:01 Steveling wrote:


What majority.
Can you back what you just said with quotes?

On April 03 2014 23:03 Steveling wrote:


I'm not seeing quotes.

On April 03 2014 23:18 prplhz wrote:
i don't think that scum steve would ragequit only to come back again right away and not ragequit at all

On April 03 2014 23:24 prplhz wrote:

i completely disagree with this

if you're scum and you ragequit, i think you're thinking "i'm going to ragequit now because of this and that" and then you ragequit. and then you actually ragequit.

as town it's more of a spur of the moment thing "man fuck this shit i'm leaving" but then you think it over and it doesn't take any longer to decide not to ragequit than it does to decide to ragequit.

and the host pm comment is pretty lulz

On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.

I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.

Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.

Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).

And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.

We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.

I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.

Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?

Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all?

On April 03 2014 23:59 Steveling wrote:


That would be a good question if you hadn't read my posts.
I said that it was a hypothesis of mine, ryan was afraid of me turning against him so he had to fos me.
I even explained that in my calculation



Honestly I don't like how you keep talking for him.
You guys made a big deal about mderg standing up for me but here you are swallowing his spit.

On April 04 2014 00:44 Steveling wrote:


Yes I got that, what I'm questioning is the way you did it and how this oath shenanigan absolutely didn't weigh at all in your judgment.

On April 04 2014 00:47 Steveling wrote:
So what are you saying to me.
Are you saying I should dismiss that oath ploy and count him town?
Imagine yourself in my position, what should I do as town?
Honest question.

On April 04 2014 01:37 Steveling wrote:


Well first of all, for a top ranked mafia player as you described your ability, you managed to contradict yourself in these 2 lines.





I don't know what to say, you constantly seem to either not understand my simple posts or not want to.

As for your actual question, you are asking me something that will reflect bad on the hosts depending on my answer and I think I blamed them enough.
I think I already answered multiple times why I would be mad over this.
Read my filter from yesterday if you are still not sure about my reasoning.

On April 04 2014 01:50 Steveling wrote:



We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.

On April 04 2014 02:02 Steveling wrote:
Listen gum and holyflare.
What's done is done, the poor hosts probably want to commit suicide reading this game and it's partially my fault.
If it makes you feel better thinking than I'm scum and my oath-anger-burst thing was a smoke screen pls do so.

But stop discussing it further pls.

On April 04 2014 06:27 prplhz wrote:
no i def don't want flare last

On April 04 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote:
Holyflare why are you not playing this game like at all?

On April 04 2014 20:16 mderg wrote:

I´m confused about your read on cell 1. You were fairly sure that gumshoe is scum but now rayn is scum because of the case he made against gumshoe and something he drunkenly said. I don´t understand this.

You´re also definetely wrong on cell 2.

On April 04 2014 20:31 Coagulation wrote:
BTW stevo's last post. That is a scum post. That is how scum make long posts. Summarizing his filter in a pejorative light without doing any deep analysis.

On April 04 2014 22:16 Palmar wrote:

He also claimed town Holyflare.

On April 04 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
HF who is mafia in LSB's group?

On April 04 2014 23:00 Coagulation wrote:
Also holyflare is 100% scum due to the fact that he's present but not doing anything.
He's been useless all game.
He's been nitpicking hardcore. He is picking out where people's logic is bad without the end in mind to catch scum.

On April 04 2014 23:18 Coagulation wrote:
seems like you didn't care long before those things happened.

On April 04 2014 23:22 Coagulation wrote:


holyflare his scum. he seens now that rayn got modkilled and he's scum, it's going to be super hard to win the game for his scumteam. he is deeply butthurt that his power ranking will be diminished and blames it completely on rayn.

On April 04 2014 23:47 Palmar wrote:

well stones, glass houses.

But I actually agree with you, Holyflare is likely to be mafia. His meta/do nothing read on mderg was incredibly lazy. And even if he later said the meta part was not that important, when he was pushing the case he was asking people to go back and read that other game.

Then when mderg actually came in and contributed HF didn't really bat an eye, or reconsider his position.

On April 04 2014 23:53 Palmar wrote:

What's the benefit for mafia mderg defending steveling there? Especially seeing as Steve might be mafia. And it's not like anyone is going to give mderg townpoints for being right if steve is town.

On April 04 2014 23:56 Palmar wrote:


Yes but if your entire early case was based on him not doing anything useful, I just don't feel like you gave him a clean slate to start with when he came back to the thread, when you should have done that if you actually believed your own case. I know you mentioned him.

On April 05 2014 00:12 mderg wrote:

I didn´t say gumshoe was null, I said I was leaning scum on him. I also didn´t call steve town in that post.

I also didn´t say there´s definetely scum on my bandwagon, it´s just unlikely that there wasn´t scum on it considering the amount of scum in this game

On April 05 2014 00:16 Palmar wrote:


rayn doesn't have to be scum.

Seriously why are you even playing this game, you're just assuming some random bullshit to be true. Steve is "modconfirmed" for saying "sorry mods" in the thread. And rayn claims scum and then town and thus he's mafia.

On April 04 2014 08:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
i promise you all geript is mafia.
i promise you all slam is mafia.
i proise you all i am not mafia, geript can go fuck himself.
Koshi quit the game because gumshoe, i wanted to quit too, because gumshoe, you are a fucking asshole. I want to shoot you in the face because you are a fucking dick. Artanis gave us a warning, he said "if language does no0t go down, you will be modkilled". Okay. Fair. But not fair. Fucking shit. IIt was gumshoe, not us, who was rude. 100%. Artanis take an eye on your hand and be a man. Fucking shit. FUCKING SHIT. read our QT man.

Fuck you, you are not fair. Koshi quit a game because of you, you are not fair.

Thank you, we were town, geript is mafia.

~rayn

On April 05 2014 01:01 Palmar wrote:
So why are you mad hf? he's getting lynched right?

On April 05 2014 02:06 Palmar wrote:

You were under suspicion for something you did.

You and HF are trying to pusht he idea that I should be under suspicion for something rayn did.

There is a difference and it makes you mafia.

On April 04 2014 19:55 Holyflare wrote:
Cell 1
Raynpelikonoshi
Gumshoe
Steveling

Cell 2
Holyflare
Tehpoofter
mderg

Cell 3
Palmar
Sentinel
Coagulation

Cell 4
Balla24
LSB
Alakaslam

Cell 5
Getmoript
prplhz
Cephiro

this is where i'm at right now

On April 05 2014 02:14 Coagulation wrote:


i was talking out of my ass before. Just read his filter and he looks scummy.
You think palmar is the scum, right? Do you have good reasons?

On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:

This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder:


I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore.


+ Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] +
So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first.



I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum.

Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2

On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote:


You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question!

Holy, do you see Rayn bieng as sympathetic yet resigned to lynch as he was to Coag if they were scum together? As for Sent, he does nothing to even remotely help him survive his cell and sent is a perfectly good ally / : so theres no reason to abandon him like Rayn did. He clearly favours Palmer, does that not mean anything? Is it that unlikely that they're both scum?

On April 05 2014 04:52 Steveling wrote:
So Holyflare since you are here.
What do you think about my coag post?
Also palmars?

On April 05 2014 04:59 gumshoe wrote:


OK but you do at least see my point? If I am town, which I am(Rayns a phony!) it's far more likely Rayn is scum than Steve to me, and Rayn's interactions with Palmer are the only ones that seem Scum on scumish.

Doth though agree?

On April 05 2014 05:16 getmoript wrote:
Rayn was not town. Move on. I already told you all why he wasn't.

We should be focusing on why there are still a boatload of votes on Coag who clearly doesn't give a shit about this game and lacks the connections to actually be scum in this case.

~Cav