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getmoript
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 02 2014 14:08 gumshoe wrote: I was curios why he defended steveling, I am less curios about that now that rayn is most likely my adversary. Are you people really this blind? Or am I just talking to scum? This is a unique setup where every third person you talk to is red and swaths of people have gone out of their way to attack this guy, WHO WE KNOW is capable of suppar play. As for the lurkers, they have straight up not started playing, that is fucking null and nothing else, they might be scum or town, seriusly doesn't matter and that argument of yours is awful. Point is, half the actives think mdern is scum for bieng mdern, and half the actives are scum, I'm sure there's townies on the wagon too but there are almost certainly scum who judging by the qoutes WANTED to be on him. If the distribution was even then it would be 1/3rd of the people. I feel like you're over stating the fact that these people are likely to include mafia. So out of the ones who are there calling him scum who is the scum? Like you say its half so who are the three scum? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 02 2014 14:25 getmoript wrote: But banks I'm clearly town. I clearly would've made a NK here. Not sure who. Probly Palmer if he's town. Should probably call me poofter or no one will know who you're talking to and you'll seem crazy. Nk= night kill? I have read you more town from the posts you've made since your first one that and the other dude in your cell has gotten scummier. I like this game because you can read those associations really easily and if two people are town and the other is mafia! So when he looks worse you look better. I do have you more town now though as I said responding to gumshoe I think. | ||
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getmoript
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Tehpoofter
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote: i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote: That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... On April 02 2014 04:11 prplhz wrote: hmm yea. that's right. I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 04:51 LSB wrote: So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? I think this question got dropped. LSB picks it up again a little bit in the following: On April 02 2014 04:57 LSB wrote: Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first All this is going on during the whole setup/order/etc. stuff. The specific reason I'm seconding this stuff is moreso because I really don't like how rayn has this post: On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn Like I 100% agree that we should lynch the groups with obv scum first. It's the fact that Rayn agrees with me that Prplhz's opening post is a bad post but he does it for different reasons from me. He specifically has the problem with it that prplhz doesn't want to find scum and insta lynch them. But his follow up isn't on prplhz for that at all. Town Rayn is perfectly fine pressuring two people at once and he can push both prplhz and myself at the same time EVEN WHILE WE'RE IN THE SAME POD!!! I don't like how he bounces only onto me for this line of reasoning and completely ignores prplhz. I'll talk more about this later I think but need to finish reading. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
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getmoript
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On April 02 2014 05:40 gumshoe wrote: Guys, I ask that you vote me, because as you said the mayor is a figure head and I am the prettiest one available. Seriously, have you ever served as wooden the mermaid at the front of a ship? I have and I looked fantastic doing it. A vote for the prettiest mayor is a vote for justice! I really don't like this post. I don't think anyone talked about it from the first read through, but it comes at a really odd point. Rayn's interrogating me. Prplhz is calling me scum for my town meta. Sent is interested in Rayn's line. Derg is being useless. This feels like a really odd spot to come in with a complete joke post as town. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 06:20 mderg wrote: I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this. I really like this post. I can't really put my finger on it, but I kinda like derg for town here for this. I think this shows that he's actually thinking about how Steveling would act or think in this position. As scum I think it's far easier to respond as, "Null, not important... non-alignment indicative. etc.' It's not a strong read but I'm definitely going to look again at HF/Banks harder. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote: I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up. | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote: I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case. Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On April 02 2014 16:06 Tehpoofter wrote: Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up. No it's a read on how you present things as town and it's a super awkward way to start talking about a how you think about the game. A lot of it is based on experience. I want to go back and reread PYP Boardwalk to look at the plans proposed there, but I don't have time right now. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler + This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1. Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best. I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard.. Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense. ##Vote: gumshoe just because i do not like anything he has said this game. bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me. I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn This next bit is one exchange between us. That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before. Witch gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Cell So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison. gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me. gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed. Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here, but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association. Heres another Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad. Heres another example of Rayns twister skills. gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this. So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( : Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep. As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again. "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone. Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. gumshoe: "The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum." -ok then gumshoe- | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On April 02 2014 16:27 getmoript wrote: No it's a read on how you present things as town and it's a super awkward way to start talking about a how you think about the game. A lot of it is based on experience. I want to go back and reread PYP Boardwalk to look at the plans proposed there, but I don't have time right now. hmm I still don't 100% follow you but I may just be tired. Anyone else get it and want to explain it? | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? ah Balla. So smart. | ||
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