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On April 03 2014 05:11 kushm4sta wrote: k u can tell us now. u scum? What's this going to be? If scum assumes you aren't just 1-shot they convert you and have a vig. Had you thought a little more you would have said you were one-shot. But maybe you want to be converted, fuck knows. I for one know that past this day you will have to use your powers much more in accordance with town as to get away that possibility, ie vigs out of the blue or stuff like that are a reason to lynch you. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:55 Djodref wrote: Kush is totally not to blame here. Gumshoe didn't participate at all and suddenly he claims while using a fakeclaim with kush's name. He was caught lying and even yourself ended up wanting to lynch him. How can you reproach kush to have vigged gumshoe ? You wanted to get rid of him ?? I'm not reproaching him for shooting gum. I'm saying he should have claimed to be 1-shot vig to be a less attractive target for converters. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:06 kushm4sta wrote: It looks like vivax is trying to lay the foundation for a future scum read on me I figure you could be converted for your role so yeah, that's a pretty accurate description of what could happen if I see you not using it in town's favor. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:17 Djodref wrote: Hey guyz ! What do you think about Toad ? Would you consider lynching him today ? Rather not atm, what do you think about what he posted on thrawn here? On April 01 2014 04:27 Toadesstern wrote: I wouldn't mind lynching thrawn just for that post to be honest. Not that I have any power to get someone lynched in the first place. I still feel good about the rayn lynch as in I think he's mafia but I do have some lingering fears and this post is exactly what it's feeling like, which also is the reason I'd still prefere the hopeless lynch. Thrawn saying rayn is 100% certain town, saying that kita should be mafia because of that in any normal situation but isn't in this because it makes sense in this situation according to him despite being 100% certain himself that rayn is town right now. Imo looks like someone setting himself up for next cycle which is what I meant with I'm scared. Could be paranoia but I really don't think that's something a town-thrawn would be posting. At all. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:23 Amiko wrote: I know my earlier post was mostly put to the side since things were happening related to gumshoe, but if anyone has comments on it let me know. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21109993 One thing that may be easy to address- -- N1 Target Also, to be honest I am a little confused at the idea I would be a n1 kill target. Of the players in this game, I think I have the least experience. I don't think I came out with any super strong reads d1. Compared with other players who claimed blue or strongly hinted at it, I either didn't claim blue or, when I did, no one in the thread seemed to notice or comment on it (there was some discussion with JJD but that was D2). Further, there was some indication I get a night action from my interaction with gumshoe. So... I'm not too sure why I would be a d1 kill target. I mean, I don't see a particularly good regular reason or WIFOM reason to kill me n1 (I am honored though ~). I'll try to review my own filter when I get home and see if anything seems significant. There could be a hundred different reasons to why there wasn't a NK so I'd prefer if you talked about possible scummers rather than reviewing your own filter rofl. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:30 Amiko wrote: wait... @kushm4sta: I think you are cleared green, but I would like answers to the following if you are willing: - You have a vote affecting power and a one-shot vig power? - If you had one-shot vig power, did you consider shooting Alakaslam / someone else yesterday? Oh snap, didn't think of that, why do you call him cleared green when you caught up that notion though? It does make me feel less sure about his claim. | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:42 Hopeless1der wrote: Ignore kush for the moment. Your thoughts on Toad? I prefer to focus on your thoughts, as in, if you think Toad is lynch-worthy then you shouldn't be asking me questions about him but rather trying to lynch him? Anyway, I wanna go over the bits you posted with you. On April 03 2014 05:37 Hopeless1der wrote: **MOD RELATED DISCUSSION** 1) invoking foolishness I find completely unfair, especially as I am the target. This seems to be a huge factor in rayn not giving a shit and yet Toad is still alive and not doing that much. He also mentioned that he disagreed with foolish on how to read slam. It seems that Toad actually had a conversation with foolish about this game. ----- Actual Scumhunty things: 2) In light of the above, Toad accuses rayn of "knowing he's town" (i.e. Toad is telling the truth therefore he must be town). He also notes that Kita is obv town at a time when it didnt seem like a very reliable read and that rayn was "to watch". 3) Completely hung up on Thrawn supposedly having a 100% townread on rayn. I dont think thrawn was that confident, nor is it thrawns responsibility to save rayn. Furthermore, any time anyone brings up ANYTHING else, Toad's default response is 'dunno, havent read that" 4) Who really thought Toad would have been a decent bluesnipe? I do not. 4a)Perhaps he was trying to cover for the fact that gumshoe hero-docced amiko? (Complete conjecture) ad 2) Can you point it out cause I couldn't find that accusation in Toad's filter. ad 3) If you read carefully you see it's not about thrawn just having a townread. Toad's main concern is that thrawn feels like saying first: "Hey, this guy is posting bullshit on a supertownie" and then he says "but I wouldn't lynch him cause of that because he went for strange trap play". Rehashing Toad's point, thrawn WOULD have considered a bad case on rayn lynch-worthy on its own, but he didn't scumread kita cause of his trap play. in Toad's own words: the part that you should not be talking about because it's nonsense unless you know peoples alignment and even given that you still end up with a kind of null on Kita, at the very least not a strong read, so it should be even less of a thing to be worth saying instead of talking about the important things like why rayn should not have been lynched. Kita wasn't about to be lynched, there's no need to "defend" him if you consider that a semi-town read. | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:07 Hopeless1der wrote: 2) 3) Player K makes "bad" case on townread R. Thrawn is suspicious of K (reasonable). Thrawn thinks "bad" case is scummy. (reasonable). Thrawn assesses the relationship between "bad" and A, concludes A is not that scummy for "bad". Moves on to actual preferred lynch G. I don't see a huge scumread jumping out at me there. Now that you've shown me point 2 I don't even know what that's supposed to tell us. Wtf is this supposed to prove? You make observations about what Toad says, no conclusion. 2) In light of the above, Toad accuses rayn of "knowing he's town" (i.e. Toad is telling the truth therefore he must be town). He also notes that Kita is obv town at a time when it didnt seem like a very reliable read and that rayn was "to watch" Ad 3 ) You misread/misrepresented/ignored, now you give the opinion on what actually happened (and not what you said was Toad's point, being hung up on rayn 100%). I just corrected what you said there, and what comes out is another defense of thrawn. You defend thrawn for that reasoning. A reasoning which is in polar opposition to yours since you actually sheeped the case he found bad, hence I have a hard time figuring out why you seem to townread thrawn so easily when he's not in the same mindset as you when you saw kita's case. I point out the mistake, as answer comes a defense of thrawn. TOAD, hopeless. What's the whole deal with Toad here? All these points are supposed to show he's scum, right? What is your objective, proving he's scum or proving that his arguments are bad?# scummeter rising | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:08 Djodref wrote: What about my arguments then ? Hopeless has been Toad's scumread but... Toad didn't push Hopeless lynch D1. Toad forgot about Hopeless since rayn's lynch. Toad is barely playing. Toad doesn't have a vote. Or maybe kush stole his vote. All arguments I see as of now against him are 1. activity 2. he didn't push hopeless enough for your liking 3. some conclusion-less observations from hopeless which are more about his arguments on others rather than why he should be scum Until he gets in here and goes through my hermeneutic endless circle of being questioned to death until I'm satisfied I'm not scumreading him for that. | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I cant fathom wtf gumshoe was thinking. Whatever, kush confirmed town imo, amiko is pretty goddamn likely town. i'd like to lynch JJD or Toad. Toad because he keeps saying stuff like "i havent read that yet" but he's all up in thrawns grill for his read on rayn. On April 03 2014 08:14 Hopeless1der wrote: I wasnt making a case, I was talking more about things I found interesting about Toad. Do you think I dont realize I didn't reach a conclusion? All of my points are pretty open-ended statements, more of a summary of things Toad has done that I maybe find scummy but didn't explicitly say that. Dude what. You wanna lynch him first and now you backtrack. What was the point of mentioning all that stuff on the guy you wanted to lynch if it was more like "stuff I found interesting about Toad maybe I think it's scummy but I didn't say so". | ||
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On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush. Vivax, why is it okay for you to keep flipping the question when I ask you about Toad? Not EVERYTHING I do needs to push my agenda. I dont like cramming a case/reads down peoples throats. I think Toad is scummy. People think I am scummy. It doesnt matter that people are less retarded than we'd like to believe, logical fallacies will occur. If I phrase a statement without implying a conclusion it forces the reader to try to determine what my point is and also whether that point is more relevant to a scum or town mindset. I answered what I think of lynching Toad for now. I'm more concerned about the way you try to stay in the sidelines like during D1. Posting points supposed to let Toad look bad and when confronted with it say contradictory things about your read on him AND not explain what those points were supposed to prove (nothing cause there is no conclusion to be gained from them) are further things I am viewing as scummy in your current play. | ||
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