On March 31 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote:
I think toads case on hopeless is unconvincing but it probably comes from town, unless toad stepped it up hard core since his last scum game.

Gotta read Raines newest stuff still.

I think there is evidence that kita has too much information.

What do you think was he referring to kita?

Vivax

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March 31 2014 19:34 GMT

#872

On April 01 2014 04:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys, fyi i wont be here till 30 min before deadline

i will say that i have read the thread and i'm not impressed with the push to lynch rayn but i'm not really willing lynch kita for it. usually weird trap plays that don't seem to make too much sense come from town, and that is enough for me to ignore kita's bad case against rayn.

as stated before i am soooo down to lynch a lurker. i notived some people mentioning gumshoe and i'm perfectly fine with that

It's not just about the trap. Result of trap was that rayn announced he'd do some research, then after Toad "cheated" he said he didn't care enough to post it, then he went back to calling kita scum and adds gumshoe on top of it.

Then he sheeps a Foolishness scumread of which we even don't know if it's really from him and I already tried previously to discuss that point againseless t hopcause I actually want to know if people think it's a good point enough for Toad to go for such a confident scumread on hopeless that early in the game. I'm not sure myself what to read into the point that hope sounded so serious towards kaslam but I don't find it damning even if it's from Foolish cause hope explained he was dicking around with his posts, which isn't too implausible early in the game.

Vivax

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March 31 2014 20:43 GMT

#943

Can we please vote for Kaslam and not rayn?

Vivax

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March 31 2014 20:52 GMT

#950

thrawn and kita vote slam and postpone any possible scum lynches we can't be sure of at this stage. It's good play to buy time lynching a wildcard

Vivax

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April 01 2014 22:05 GMT

#1201

Hopeless who would you lynch today?

Vivax

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April 01 2014 22:15 GMT

#1203

I suppose you should fire it at kaslam, that's what you would have wanted to do during D1, no?

Vivax

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April 01 2014 22:45 GMT

#1205

On March 31 2014 23:35 Hopeless1der wrote:

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He literally just analyzed your play and asserted that you are scummy by working through your motives related to "web of disruption" and lack of followup. In what universe is that "doing nothing" or "not trying to solve"? He could just as easily coast along on the slam lynch.

On March 31 2014 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:

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In my currently preferred scenario, we lynch rayn. If he flips town, hope a vig can get you or slam and probably end up lynching the other one. If he flips scum,

##Unvote: Alakaslam
##Vote: raynpelikoneet

You make it look like kita alone is responsible for the lynch when you clearly should understand where he was coming from according to those earlier posts where you found his points on rayn valid.

Why kita and not slam btw?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 09:25 GMT

#1336

TehPoofter I would like to confront you with your case on me.You start out by pointing out how I asked Rayn that question regarding his scumread on you. You point out that I missed a post and rayn's reaction made it clear to me as well, but he didn't point me to that post.

Anyway, what you base your case on is "Vivax missed/left out a post". Yeah, but missed out a post to do what? You automatically come to the conclusion that I did it on purpose to bury rayn, where do you consider that I might have simply missed it? I feel like you're trying to interpret my posts in a rather malicious way as opposed to what for example austin was doing when confronted with your case.

You couple that reason with "Vivax wanted to bury rayn" later or something like that which is huge nonsense cause nowhere in that post do I call rayn scum for what he's doing.

I am asking him for clarifications on his evolution of reads and to the fact that he claimed to have sheeped a vote from kita in early game which seemed like an unlikely explanation given their attrition.

Poofter you seem very comfortable pushing your theories without trying to involve your suspected players in a conversation so I'm asking you to do this now. I've read austin's case on you earlier on and it kinda revolved around how some of your questions seemed out of place so try and show us what questions you would ask to your scumreads please.

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:04 GMT

#1339

On April 02 2014 18:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax are you scumreading tehpoofter?

What do you think?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:21 GMT

#1342

The question to "what I'm doing" is answered by a look at my post, inside it is what I currently want, ie confront him. I'll decide if I want to scumread him or not when I have enough information for my taste. Right now I feel his case looks like he jumps to a quick conclusion without really trying to figure me out, taking advantage of the fact I'm not posting so frequently, so that's my beef with him and his case.

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:35 GMT

#1344

On April 02 2014 19:11 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax unless you're going to say you have doubts about me being town then you need to answer the question

I find this post kinda weird, the way you try to make me answer the question, you think it would be justified for me to skip on question for thikning you are scum, which shouldn't be what you're believing from a look at my filter? Do you have a read on Poofter that makes it interesting for you to hear mine on him?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:39 GMT

#1346

For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there.
Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo. Can't you

I see this as the main reason.

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:44 GMT

#1347

Besides if you don't understand my posts maybe you should play sober lol

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:53 GMT

#1352

Another noteworthy thing is that TP tries to push thread into the direction of thinking that scum didn't vote for rayn and put votes on somebody else "to look better". At least that's the reasoning I saw him use on me partially.

It is a very stretched reasoning cause for that you would have to assume rayn was only lynched by townies which is stupid cause when scum has the choice between lynching a townie like rayn who on top claims to have a role and a guy like Alakaslam then they will obviously go for the rayn lynch.

Basically he's trying to incriminate me for not being dumb and lynching rayn when Kaslam was the safest lynch during that day and I had an abnegation towards his lynch D1 as I made abundantly clear.

Do you really agree that scum wouldn't have jumped onto the rayn wagon thrawn? That would surprise me.

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:56 GMT

#1354

And you don't think scum is among them?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:58 GMT

#1356

So you're telling me scum didn't want to lynch a potentially good townie like rayn who claims a role?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 10:58 GMT

#1357

Are you assuming they are super cowardly, bad at the game, both?

Vivax

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April 02 2014 11:03 GMT

#1359

Show me where I supported the rayn lynch please.

Vivax

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April 02 2014 11:04 GMT

#1361

You claim I supported the rayn lynch, I don't recall it being that way. I consideered he could be scum but I figured he would be a bad lynch during D1.