On March 30 2014 12:22 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:On March 30 2014 10:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
kita why di you vote for rayn?
kita why did you tell me to vote for rayn?
kita why did i vote for rayn
kita why rayn
why?
I start most games out with a random vote. Why is this your biggest concern when I clearly voted for rayn at the point where he hardly even has a post? Are you unfamiliar with the concept or do you think that my vote had malicious intentions?
@kita Is this a meta you expect Thrawn should know?
On March 30 2014 12:31 Tehpoofter wrote:
@kush since you seem to be here and I'm impatient. Does kita start off all games with a random vote? and should Thrawn have known this?
On March 30 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 12:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Probably not. He clearly isn't aware, so why ask twice whether he should be expected? Doesn't seem very relevant to me.
I was curious cause you transitioned that early game reaction into a read on him maybe its relevant maybe it isn't.
How do you feel that he threw his vote on Slam without even mentioning it in this thread?
On March 30 2014 12:42 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 12:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 30 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 30 2014 12:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Probably not. He clearly isn't aware, so why ask twice whether he should be expected? Doesn't seem very relevant to me.
I was curious cause you transitioned that early game reaction into a read on him maybe its relevant maybe it isn't.
How do you feel that he threw his vote on Slam without even mentioning it in this thread?
I don't find it to be a real issue?
Is that something you're trying to spin as scummy by getting me to say as much or what?
You brought up the point that its something you do every game why bring it up if it didn't matter? I have a hard time imagining that something that small would be a scummy or townie thing either way leaning super neutral to me I was just wondering if it was a meta thing I don't know.
On March 30 2014 12:48 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 12:44 kitaman27 wrote:On March 30 2014 12:42 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 30 2014 12:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 30 2014 12:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On March 30 2014 12:33 kitaman27 wrote:
Probably not. He clearly isn't aware, so why ask twice whether he should be expected? Doesn't seem very relevant to me.
I was curious cause you transitioned that early game reaction into a read on him maybe its relevant maybe it isn't.
How do you feel that he threw his vote on Slam without even mentioning it in this thread?
I don't find it to be a real issue?
Is that something you're trying to spin as scummy by getting me to say as much or what?
You brought up the point that its something you do every game why bring it up if it didn't matter? I have a hard time imagining that something that small would be a scummy or townie thing either way leaning super neutral to me I was just wondering if it was a meta thing I don't know.
I'm actually questioning your statement about the slam vote.
Oh roger, I actually think it could be something scummy. It definitely isn't townie. IF one was to give out points for things I feel like voting someone without providing a reason especially in a thread where your vote is done in a different place (I'd have never known if I didn't have the thread in another tab open.) is a scummy thing to do. If you think someone is worth voting at least give a reason.
On March 30 2014 15:09 Tehpoofter wrote:
@rayn what post this game brought up this thought train on kita? The RVS thing? or just a meta ideA?
On March 31 2014 03:30 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 03:28 kitaman27 wrote:
For someone who doesn't care about the game, you sure do like to waste time defending yourself.
He is scum hunting and I think he found on kita. I'm on rayn's wagon to kill rayn.
On March 31 2014 03:44 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 03:39 kitaman27 wrote:On March 31 2014 03:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who is supposed to be good at this game you say a lot of stupid stuff kita.
Hey, I'm not the guy pushing a mass claim in a recruiter setup.
On a side note, it's quite possible that mafia numbers are going to be nerfed on day one if there is a alignment changing mechanic. We could very well be dealing with 1-2 at the start.My policy on slam is that if he refuses to role claim, he doesn't care about winning with town and should be lynched. The "I hate my role, I'm just going to quit" attitude is worthless.
Vivax, you know you have a reputation for not posting as mafia, so what gives?
Do you have a mafia read yet hope?
This is my exact argument on why we should avoid lynching the like auto lynch that is Slam. If mafia grows in numbers at night or something this is our BEST chance of taking down their numbers.
Rayn I have seen you own as town if you're town do that this game but we really need to hit today because of what kita posted... Kita I like you as town.
On March 31 2014 06:35 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 06:30 thrawn2112 wrote:
so i'm starting to believe in kita's theory about # of scum on D1 because there really aren't that many scummy people around
eh. i hope austin posts soon
I think kita's theory is probably pretty damn accurate if alignment conversions are possible mafia having one would lead to them starting with that many I believe. So thrawn you reading everyone as town? I think you said you believed slam's claim do you think hes likely to be the only 3rd party and if not anyone giving you just an anti-town maybe not mafia vybe?
On April 01 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 06:00 kitaman27 wrote:
You guys are aware that gumshoe hasn't voted right?
Slam is useless but I don't think hes scum. Gumshoe did nothing its a coast bump that.
On April 01 2014 07:48 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 07:32 austinmcc wrote:
If rayn was basically your sole scumread, and you kept hedging on that and finding him less scummy, why did you not look elsewhere?
You asked some folks questions. You swapped your vote to gumshoe late.
But for 24ish hours you've been appearing less and less scummy on rayn, but with no indication that you want to be MORE scummy on anyone else.
Why no hunting? Or if you WERE scumhunting, who was scummy and why? Or you scumhunted and nobody is scummy ever period?
I asked questions to probe for other scum reads but to be honest nothing was really happening aside from Slam posting a whole bunch of shit from another game it seemed. I hadn't seen any other scummy things from people at the time I was in a place that I had a weak scum read and I didn't really have anything else to go on or pressure with who was around at the time. The kita case happened and I had the vivax read that really only mattered if rayn flipped town. I believed the claim and still wanted to hit scum over Slam so yeah I didn't do a good job basically. I'm trying to turn it around atm
On April 01 2014 11:48 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
if you have some way to influence the vote secretly and don't tell us now, and we find out later, you are fucked. so best come clean now
I just looked at the vote count thing thats interesting. I am putting on my noob pants for this one are there roles that have vote changing or adding mechanics as both alignments? Or is it more indicative of one or the other?
Also thrawn yeah lets put pressure on that Vivax scummy guy. I am not as sure on kita cause he didn't seem to listen to rayn so hes not in my town circle with me you and austin. Also Slam is going to be in the circle too even though hes 3rd party he can work with us for now.
What do you think about JJD? He has a small filter its easy to read so check it out.
On April 01 2014 11:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
This message isn’t from thrawn. If you are actually reading this you are probably town. Put a message including something like “waffle” or “staircase” something in the thread if you see this. Obviously it won’t confirm you, I’ll probably still lynch who seems scummiest, but maybe knowing you were being attentive to this post will make me feel more trusting of whoever is reading it. -Amiko
On April 01 2014 18:08 Tehpoofter wrote:
Town: Thrawn - He seems to be actually taken a back by the fact that he is only finding town, scum needs mislynches so if hes scum hes playing against his win con.
Austin - I think his case and the way he fought it was townie. He also had the same line of thinking as me that we shouldn't just lynch SLAM and should try to find real scum sadly he didn't find any scum but neither did I
For scum: I want to look at vivax, kita, kush and JJD the most. I don't think they are all four scum but I think there is definitely a scum in there.
Vivax for the reason that he tried to bury rayn and then voted slam... like he buries a town and gets off the wagon good lay low scum play imo.
Kita: He puhsed on rayn and didn't really seem to listen to his responses during his push if you will note the difference between him and me pushing our cases on rayn I was not really sure and uncertain about if he was scum and austin pointed it out on my case I feel like being sure is more scummy than townie cause I'm trying to figure it out and kita in this case would just need a ML also I pointed out earlier my theory on the vote count thing possibly being from him.
Kush: He is here because my town read thrawn wants to know whats up with you.
JJD: He says that kita scum slipped calling me and him town maybe he did and kita is scum but it counts against JJD here because I'm in no way confirmed so how does he know I'm town? I mean maybe he read me as town but I didn't see that in his read... I'm going to read his filter after this and see if I missed him calling me town before that but I don't recall it.
I ranked my scum and town in order of strongest to weakest.
On April 01 2014 18:16 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 13:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 01 2014 12:51 Tehpoofter wrote:
@ JJD did you read his case against me? and his feelings about lynching slam?
Yes. I don't think the case against you is terrible. You were on my radar earlier but have mostly fell off since I feel like kita scumslipped about the 2 of us being town earlier.
And yeah I talked to him alot about aslam and I think his stance there is pretty awful. I have no idea why anyone would think slam is town @ this point.
So JJD I'm curious did you think I was town before kita made his "scum slip"? I'm confused by your wording.
On April 01 2014 18:20 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 01:54 kitaman27 wrote:Going after difficult targets is the last thing I'd want to do as mafia on day one. When I accuse a player, I want them to think I'm town or not put up a fight.
I almost always go after the newbies because they will let me get away with it. I know rayn and kush are the types of players who will have a fit if I do so, so I'd simply pick someone like jarjar, poofter, or the easy slam vote today.The biggest thing about rayn right now is how sure he is. I know that even with the case I have made, I'm not completely confident. He is sharing his reads with certainty with no evidence that he has looked at my past mafia games or questioned me at any point prior to me presenting the case. The biggest thing to address for him regarding my alignment is the shadow connection that I tried to make. Yet rather than suggesting that I tried to duplicate the town meta so that he would develop a town read on me, he ignores it completely.
Onto
hopeless:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 31 2014 21:50 Hopeless1der wrote:nothing personal slam
##Vote: Alakaslam On March 30 2014 06:25 Hopeless1der wrote:
because the alternative means i need to be a dick to kita and i dont wanna do that right now.
On March 30 2014 06:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
whered you go kita? do i need to go through the motions of "totes serious voting" to get a response?
I didn't really think too much of the post that Toad/Foolishness pointed out. Hopeless shows signs of guilt with his slam vote. As a town player, I'd expect annoyance from slam's play, yet this comes off as slightly apologetic. His defense of rayn at the start I found scummy and these posts sound as if he is writing them as mafia to sound town, but I admit that is a weak line of reasoning here.
On March 31 2014 23:47 Hopeless1der wrote:
kita, rayn wants to 1v1 you. do you accept?
On April 01 2014 00:02 Hopeless1der wrote:
p.s. rayn revoted kita
On March 31 2014 23:56 Hopeless1der wrote:
In my currently preferred scenario, we lynch rayn. If he flips town, hope a vig can get you or slam and probably end up lynching the other one.
These posts seem like the ideal mafia scenario if rayn is indeed town, which would be opportunistic from his perspective. He makes the assumption that if rayn flips town, I must be mafia. This is scummy because up until this point, he hasn't hinted at having a mafia read on me or having a problem with my case. In fact, he defends me explaining how I could coast along with the slam lynch. So there is a gap in logic here if he would be so open to my death.
At first, I really thought that rayn and hope could be scum buddies. rayn exploded with anger about Toad's post. He then showed a defeated attitude, as if he had no choice but to vote hope for an incredibly, incredibly weak reason. As buddies, he would have to anticipate a huge wagon on hope at that point and I wasn't feel the sentiment at that time. Since then it seems less likely that they are both mafia, with a shifting read on hope to town from rayn and an attack on rayn from hope after my case.
I would say that hope is scummy to me, but the discussion about the town vs town is all speculative, pre-flip analysis, which I'd want to avoid. The biggest point is how open he would be to see me die to enforce the 1v1 trade, without making any argument as to why we must be of opposite alignments.
There wasn't enough here to make me move off of rayn here. I'd like to do vivax/djo next and see if austin's points have any merits. austin himself I've ignored for the most part and I'll likely continue to do so until a red flag pops up.
Thrawn this is the scumslip that JJD is thinking he found. Basically kita saying he knows me and JJD are both town is the assumption for JJD's claim.
On April 02 2014 12:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:44 austinmcc wrote:
While expressing no opinion on the origin of the nuke, I believe it is not a good thing for town at this time to be trying to hunt that person down.
agreed. Austin you still in the vivax is town camp? What do you think about my theory that the scum is between those who pushed on rayn but voted slam? <<<These same question to thrawn/JJD/Kita
On April 03 2014 20:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
Anyways I'm out for the night. I will get up early to be around pre deadline. I'm okay with any of those on my scum list for lynches, preference to vivax.
Also @ austin the post you quoted with 4 I still am hardest on vivax, kush is clear I think cause his role with the extra vote and day shot would be insane op for Mafia, Kita I will get up and read on d2 actions and see if he makes the pile but just the brief thread read through nothign stood out. JJD has a nuke and I like what he was doing pressuring hopeless with the fake claim thing it seemed like a really brazen thing to do and not something you'd really want to do as mafia and I think hopeless acted poorly on it.
I know I haven't been around but I feel confident on this vivax lynch read my case, maybe kush will come out with a big case like he said in one of his posts but I don't like his posting patterns.
night
On April 04 2014 04:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
I'm about to head to work but wanted to post from my iPad that I agree with Austin's point and toad shouldn't get a bullet but a check or other things.
I also am concerned if a Kita hopeless team. Kita has two days now put cases on someone I started to pressure at the start of the day towards the end and vivax giving me the same feeling as rayn yesterday. Off to work I might be switching to Kita/hopeless.
On April 04 2014 05:41 Tehpoofter wrote:
bah this role claim stuff would happen while I'm commuting and starting work....
@DJO why do you think djo's role is maf sided?
##unvote
##vote kitaman
I'm not convinced any of the roles have to be blue even toads but if town lynches a third straight blue we're pretty much SoL.
On April 04 2014 05:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
So we have like 5 blue roles JJD, Vivax, Hopeless, Kush, Toad supposedly + 2 dead. Like if town really has this much help what on earth does scum have? Thats the best question. I'm uncomfortable lynching into blues thats why I'm on kita cause hes the scummiest of the none blues to me maybe DJO too but he seems to be really wanting to insure we don't mess up.
On April 04 2014 08:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
So first off I'm looking at what we know so far no NK n1 3P survivor, shrink, doctor, Toad's role.
We also have other claims at being blue Watcher from hopeless, Kush says hes day vig plus double vote (you didnt use your power today I'm assuming based on the vote counts), Vivax, JJD some types of visiting roles. Also There is someone who gave a nuke to JJD as he said he didn't make it. So we're looking at assuming all roles are blue, 7 blue town power roles and a 3P survivor that seems insanely high to me unless mafia has some big role maybe kill + conversion and I would think points to there being 2+ on the first day or it doesn't seem very balanced. I'll say it now but I think one of the blue roles is most likely mafia, or at the least 3P. Now maybe thats not the case but that only leaves Me, Austin, Kita, DJO, Amiko Thrawn (I believe) and for me I think kita/Djo would be the only possible scum team there I mean Amiko maybe cause of Austin's case I could maybe see him being that constructed but it still reads town so doesn't ping as super scummy to me.
So my list of reads atm:
Town Hero: Tehpoofter
Town:
Thrawn
Austin
Blues: (I think one is scum hopeless claim is the most townie cause it seems silly for scum to claim when they did.) Kush reaction was good to gum even though he shot the medic I'd have done the same as town although his role does seem really strong. Vivax probably the most scummy claim wise cause he was reluctant to give up his visit. But I was going to move my vote off him based on play so I still give him town points. JJD Seemed to try to get hopeless on that whole fakeclaim thing thats the 3rd occurance of him really pushing a scum read on something slip like to me it pings scummy because of my background as I highlighted in a previous post but it may be different on the forums.
Kush
Vivax
Hopeless
JJD
Neutral Pile:
Amiko - Has seemed very town in his posts but austin's case against him makes me question how much of it is off the cuff and not preplanned... its easy to look town if you know whats going on. I don't fully believe this read and would love to have more interaction with Amiko but if all blue claims are real it has to be someone else so he goes to neutral as I'm stronger on thrawn/Austin atm being town.
DJO - He hasn't really done much of note for me I was making this list and in my head thought "idk where I stand on DJO tbh" so its null for me and hes not a blue role claim so he stands at neutral. I will try to reread his filter but probably cant get around to it for 6-7 hours as I'm at work and want to catch up on other games as this one is night phase atm.
Most likely Scum:
Kita - I think he has pushed on two lynches rayn first then vivax if vivax is town this makes him look even scummier in my eyes. He pushed on both their lynches later in the day after I had already been pushing on both from the start of the day he also calls me null when if we're in the same mindset wouldn't he think me more town he doesn't even mention our similar pushes in his reads. Now for me I like that he pushed on those people but he has been around at both EoD when I've been hesitant and reconsidered both my reads and he didn't with rayn or vivax just left his vote where it is. So to me it seems like someone scummy hoping on an established wagon to push someone into a lynch and not reconsidering at EoD.
On April 04 2014 21:00 Tehpoofter wrote:btw I'm totally getting this weird feeling that rayn is in obv chat right now going "WHY IS KITA STILL ALIVE!!!!" I think I might have to channel my inner rayn tomorrow and go ham on kita I don't like that he was around at deadline and the only thing hes said all night is the quote about how JJD is Rose.
Kita care to share your reads as of now? If I make a case on you at the start of the day you going to make a bigger case on yourself come end day
On April 05 2014 08:35 Tehpoofter wrote:
Going to lunch I'll be back in an hour I really want to make a map of all the claims and see if anything seems odd.
Kush and Kita really should full role claim.
I have a theory that would be interesting in that Since there is so many blue powers when someone gets converted they get a 1 shot nuke... like kush did yesterday and amiko got today. Just something I was thinking about cause how crap this setup is kidna imbalanced for town otherwise assuming role claims are true. Like what kind of town role gets randomly turned into a day vigi?
Anyways off to lunch?
On April 05 2014 11:14 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 10:58 thrawn2112 wrote:
i would prefer a check only on one of kita/me, especially if it's an insta-check
Any reason you wouldn't want to check me? I believe I'm the other VT since amiko claimed his role was changed at the start of day.
I would prefer Kita or Thrawn either way. I'd still like to see what kita's role does.
So I have been really busy at work and I'd like to sit down and figure out who did what to who and what nights so we can kinda get a time line of events. The whole Hopeless thing when he was talking about his return for tonight read really weird to me that at first Austin did go to kita then didn't.
I am kinda regretting whoever brought up that people should all ask for fake role claims from the host because it seems that some have to be fake I mean there is so many roles and I'm VT how was mafia suppose to win with like 7 PR and a medic save and inventions and a cop and a roleblock and an untargetable? I mean you have to assume someone has been converted. So the roleclaim is nice but idk with conversions some of these could be mafia now (at least 2 our if there is 1 conversion a night unless they tried to use it on Slam/Toad.
I think one thing to look at is N1 so if we think they saved KP then there is not much to do but if we think they tried to kill and couldn't because of Toad or a save on amiko then it might be good to review people who push on those targets because if I was mafia and saw my NK didn't die I would immediately try to push on them and see if others changed their reads on them overnight (indicating a save) I am at work and honestly not sure I have time to look through but could be a decent route to take.
I'll address the questions about my kita read in the next post.
On April 05 2014 11:54 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for kita I had him on my scum list on N1 and the start of day 1 I did list others as more suspicious but once claims started happening I decided lynching into any blues when we had already lost 2 (shrink/medic) wouldn't be good for town so I went on my top scumread outside the claims which was kita.
I'd be interested in theories on the night kills we had 0 then 2. I know the "lovers" role is common on epic mafia I'm not sure how it plays in here but thats one option for the 2 kills. I thought I read something in one of the flavor bits that might have pointed to it but I need to reread closer. I'm glad more people gave reads last night than the night before hopefully we can keep an eye on that and see who goes shifting around.
On April 05 2014 12:44 Tehpoofter wrote:
@thrawn yeah well my preferred check is kita the only reason I'd say to check you is to reaffirm my read. I still think you're town the way you post about how my post counts dropped cause it most definitely did I don't like making excuses but I am in 2 other games currently and its stretching me thin. I didn't think I would be in all three simultaneously but thats not an excuse. I did still try to hunt scum that day(day2) and brought up a large case on vivax and had him voted up until his claim. I find it hard for you to suggest I was converted if I was who did my read change on? I think I was pretty clear N1 on my reads I can go back and quote the post if you'd like.
For the official record I don't currently suspect thrawn and kita is my main suspect I find it odd he withheld information on his role maybe he has a good reason but idk everyone is at least seemingly being transparent.
As to the delay on my responses thrawn I'm working trying to post as I can I was off work day 1 so naturally my responses are faster within the half hour I'm off work again this evening and can talk more fluidly. .
On April 05 2014 12:56 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok tehpoofter here is a nonrelated question.
When you saw the recent flips, what were your first thoughts?
(i'm looking for thoughts regarding scum, not setup speculation stuff)
Kita is mafia. JJD had a role that could do something to others kita as mafia would know that its not a medic/shrink/inventor since JJD had the nuke yesterday. Austin lived through the night so unlikely to be vigi my next thought would be cop. JJD was going saying adamantly against kita if I recall correctly. So that was my first thought that Kita didn't want a cop claim with a red on him thus
The reason I bring up the lover's thing is cause DJO was a random kill idk why he was targeted.
On April 06 2014 04:25 Tehpoofter wrote:
At amiko I don't read the lore as I really haven't seen dr who. Also don't shoot me.
This game doesn't make sense. I'm honestly surprised Kita is green. One of our claimed roles is mafia because it can't be just thrown. Maybe multiple roles.
What are pEoples theOrieS if I'm town (I know I am but let's venture there)? I like Austin as town I feel like role teams would be vivax/hope or Kush/Kita because they confirm each other but if it's just one fake role it's amiko (I believe he has a shot though)
Someone explain how my reads make sense for someone converted and by whom. I was advocating n1 reads and did my own same with n2 I have been very open. So idk why people think I'm converted minus activity drop.
I gotta head to work ill post from there.
I wasn't converted and am still lame ass vt. Content is down cause I'm in three games. This being the most progressed and least amount of posts.
On April 06 2014 06:27 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin I understand your scum case on kush. Where I'm at right now is that there are 2 blue claims verified by each other. Vivax/Hopeless. and Kush/Kita. I have to assume one of them is fake and then maybe + thrawn or amiko? I believe austin's in the most town unless he was converted by Vivax the night JJD and vivax visited and JJD got the check for what he started the night as. But if thats the case I feel like Austin would push on me or thrawn for an easier ML rather than go on kush/kita.
I feel like a night shot from amiko would be best because we have more info and if we lynch into the wrong "half" of things he could correct us. This obviously doesn't work if hes scum but if thats the case we probably already lost tbh.
On April 06 2014 08:24 Tehpoofter wrote:
@austin/others around. So if Kita/kush are mafia how likely is it that its just 2? I mean someone is on the bus train hard or its just them. Maybe amiko is the 3rd the way hes talking but idk... If its kita/kush/amiko then i think it was kita alone then kush then amiko conversion wise. But maybe the n1 stuff could have been an attempt to convert toad and he couldnt' be plus they killed amiko or something.
I just don't know if amiko really fits a 3rd there. So I'm wondering what is the third there? (Maybe were lucky and its only 2 but idk)
On April 07 2014 06:00 Tehpoofter wrote:
I have been saying I wasn't sure for awhile its one of kush/kita or vivax/hopeless. ITs one or the other from my POV
EPT
