Handslaps and Fisticuff: A PYP Mini [M][T]

On March 05 2014 15:28 LSB wrote:

Anti town plan because
1) Universal Backup announcing all roles not being picked is probably the best way to help mafia blue snipe and fake claim.
2) Having multiple Kp roles all at the top of the list is very dangerous because mafia can share numbers and avoid clash. This is especially true in a mini game.
3) The roleblocker is important to stop dangerous KP from occurring. There is no other way for us to stop a rouge assassin/vig. Having the Roleblocker easily snipable just sets up for a mafia victory

##VOTE: Raynpelikoneet

On March 05 2014 19:37 Oatsmaster wrote:

You do realise that Palmar has claimed mafia as mafia on several occasions?

On March 05 2014 19:33 marvellosity wrote:
so what? I have no idea if it's truthful or not.

On March 05 2014 20:12 marvellosity wrote:
Just shoot him later if he doesn't play properly. I have no idea why you'd waste a lynch on that thing

On March 05 2014 21:31 Xatalos wrote:


Why not? It seemed like the best use of my limited time as I was going to sleep yesterday. Or I could have just played Artanis's adventure game.

On March 05 2014 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is in my opinion not 100% true.
There is also the possibility that LSB didn't actually read my posts with thought, called me out for a plan he thought was anti-town and then peaced out. You seem to completely forget this option which is unfortunately quite likely for LSB.

On March 05 2014 15:39 LSB wrote:

Your idea of limiting mafia KP is to give them the KP roles and pray that they believe a divided town threat of 'policy lynching if you don't listen to us'?

On March 05 2014 10:30 LSB wrote:
Let's get organized boys
Plan: Don't give LSB your role names
1. If you are first pick, grab Assassin
2. If you are not first pick, grab whatever you want.
3. Do NOT reveal your role, even if you are VT. + Show Spoiler +

The assassin is the scariest role in mafia hands, day KP is always scary and the assassin has multiple uses. In addition it is pretty much unblockable.

In addition there are (potentially) 5 roles with access to KP, it would be almost impossible to hold people accountable for missed shots. In addition we should try to keep the alignment cop alive as long as possible and the jailkeeper will also be super useful.

On March 05 2014 22:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have one really big problem with Artanis..
marv do you know what it is?

On March 05 2014 22:24 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. Upon reading Yamato, I'm not sold on him yet. But I'll be watching.

On March 05 2014 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it's the way he does it. He does something i "should call out" or whatever, and when i don't do so he has a "reason" to call me out. Not to mention i didn't respond how he wanted me to in the last game he did the same thing and i was town. It's like, he is making something out of nothing.

We talked about the roleblocker stuff with Oats already dear marv. <3

On March 05 2014 22:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Anyway you shouldn't worry about me Rayn, marv'll read me correctly later anyway and if he doesn't he's scum so it's fine!

On March 05 2014 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Don't lie hun, you love the ego boost.

On March 05 2014 22:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:

He gets a role after all unless somehow all the roles get taken.

On March 05 2014 22:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I didn't know you were a fan of big boobs.

On March 05 2014 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im gonna pick 3/1.

3/1!!!

On March 06 2014 03:49 prplhz wrote:

can you explain this?

simply because i don't understand

On March 06 2014 04:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
no
can you like
please go shove it?

On March 06 2014 05:18 prplhz wrote:
if all this LSB thing can be explained by him not thinking things all the way through and not fully considering rayn's plan then i don't want to lynch him for it

On March 06 2014 06:10 prplhz wrote:

well okay i can kind of get that

i also asked about if it was the timing of LSB calling rayn scum here

i still think it would be weird for a scum

to find a townie

who has a reputation for being good at this game

and who has already come up with a pretty complicated plan

and call him scum

i don't think the plan is that good that scum has to go all out against it like that

it kind of controls power roles but it doesn't find scum, if we can't find scum we will still lose even with rayn's plan.

On March 06 2014 06:12 Palmar wrote:
So wait, do we lynch before we get the roles?

On March 06 2014 06:14 prplhz wrote:

gimme your clothes?

On March 06 2014 06:17 Palmar wrote:
prplhz was an easy townread in thingee too... default suspicion?

He's not this game, but whatever, his attitude doesn't scream mafia and he can be lazy town.

On March 06 2014 06:20 Palmar wrote:
When is lynch?

On March 06 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:


Because if hes scum, thats a shot thats not hitting scum in a game where the shots are what ever side probably needs to win.
He also wont get blame for it, because he just shoots a scummy looking townie, he already has several aggressive reads on people and that may very well be because hes trying to justify shots down the line. Also I'm fine with the rest of the plan, palmer seems cool and I'll gladly claim d2. But I got chills on rayn, so no kp for him.

On March 06 2014 09:02 yamato77 wrote:

I also said this:



I am not above living down to my own promises.

On March 06 2014 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
not liking how far gumshoe's foot is crammed into his mouth here.

On March 06 2014 09:26 LSB wrote:
I'm typing my response up...

I'll just post random thoughts here before I post my argument on rayn's plan which I'm still working on

I already locked 2,1 before I went to sleep yesterday. So that isn't going to work in the first place, see you at the bottom of the list Rayn and Gumshoe. I guess that means unless Rayn chickened out that me and his own personal picks will be irrelevant as part of the plan.

Artanis seems to be confirmed town to me considering he hasn't claimed mafia yet and he is actually trying. Dunno if his mafia behavior changed since last game.

On March 06 2014 09:08 austinmcc wrote:
?

We may or may not know if someone else is silent
Even if that person knows, we may or may not know because that person might be mafia and lie

If we have a silent shooter we don't know about, we lynch town (assuming mafia assassin would mean that mafia don't silent day shoot with another role cuz it would just lead to mafia getting lynched).

If someone says "oh ya I'm silent too" then what...we have assassin vigi the claimer, assuming that a silent modification is scummy, and we hopefully hit scum, but then there's no reason for them to claim?



The OP says roles will be modified and we may or may not know how. The SPECIFICS of this plan rely on roles working as posted in the OP. The OP essentially says "The basis for this plan is false."

On March 06 2014 09:36 austinmcc wrote:
OP says 9-3 or 9-2-1

On March 06 2014 09:36 austinmcc wrote:
I agree with this.

I question our ability to know how exactly they will work. Like...in 4 KP roles if you count JOAT, something's likely funky for one faction or another. And if we don't know how they work, knowing where they are is...equally/less/not at all valuable, because we can act incorrectly based on our knowledge.

I also hate the idea of stocking up on KP roles in general, would so much rather see NOBODY TAKE KP EVER and the leftover dude confirm that, and have it be town with defensive and investigative roles v. mafia.

PYP KP roles seem to be town-seeking.

On March 06 2014 09:45 austinmcc wrote:
But assuming the OP is true, either someone claims I AM A SURVIVOR LOLOLOL I WIN or nobody claims that, and we already know which world we're in.

I don't think it adds any uncertainty, because the survivor either claims or doesn't, and that should settle which world we're in

On March 06 2014 19:26 prplhz wrote:
I picked 6,4 if that's somehow important.

On March 06 2014 19:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just gonna stick to the plan and pick RB.

On March 06 2014 14:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also i'll keep track of this:
1. Palmar [1,1]
2. Oatsmaster [3,1]
3. prplhz [6,4]
4. Hopeless1der [9,5]
5. Artanis[Xp] [11,11]
6. marvellosity [7,2]
7. yamato77 [7,5]
8. austinmcc [8,1]
9. Xatalos [8,3]
10. gumshoe [2,1]
11. LSB [2,1]
12. raynpelikoneet [2,1]

On March 06 2014 19:43 prplhz wrote:
And I would appreciate it if everyone tried not to be needlessly antagonistic with me.

On March 06 2014 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Keeping it out of the hands of town when we're not using the kp powers/using them as double lynches seems like good reason enough tbh.

On March 06 2014 19:47 prplhz wrote:
Announce to the thread you're picking 1,1 and you'll get first pick because people would rather gamble for 2rd pick than bump you.

On March 06 2014 19:52 prplhz wrote:
Do you guys think that mafia gumshoe would bump himself just to bump rayn? I mean there's not really anything to gain from that unless he could put one of his own guys (probably Oatsmaster) into a better position.

On March 06 2014 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

This is not true. Why are you missing a lot of things this game marv?

On March 06 2014 09:26 LSB wrote:
I'm typing my response up...

I'll just post random thoughts here before I post my argument on rayn's plan which I'm still working on

I already locked 2,1 before I went to sleep yesterday. So that isn't going to work in the first place, see you at the bottom of the list Rayn and Gumshoe. I guess that means unless Rayn chickened out that me and his own personal picks will be irrelevant as part of the plan.

Artanis seems to be confirmed town to me considering he hasn't claimed mafia yet and he is actually trying. Dunno if his mafia behavior changed since last game.

On March 06 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Less neutral a factor alignment wise is that rayns been playing extremely aggressive this game, picking away at the likes of Palmer and others. Rayn sees himself as an aggressive town player, personally I find he is an adaptive one, bringing out aggression when its called for not just for the sake of it. When Rayns scum though, he plays to his idea of himself and is far more pushy, often feeling as if he needs to jump on things before anyone else. I will be taking 2,1 because I dont trust Rayn atm and I rather neither he not get the one of his choice. As for his plan, I think it's fine so long as rayn doesn't get a gun, I'd prefer if Artanis and palmer could take hold of the heat.

As for LSb's issues with the plan, I dont see a problem with it myself, I'm sure Rayn thought it out pre game so it's fine either way as long as the right people are on top. I doubt scum would so openly disagree with it, they're probably going to just secretly pick whatever number they want. Openly attacking a plan thats gaining momentum seems silly / :

Anyone have any questions for me? I got a bit before I need to go.

On March 06 2014 20:10 prplhz wrote:
But why would a scum gumshoe care so much whether or not raynpelikoneet gets Universal Backup or not? It really doesn't matter because of it's not raynpelikoneet, it's someone else and unless they're mafia it makes no difference.

On March 06 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote:
Less neutral a factor alignment wise is that rayns been playing extremely aggressive this game, picking away at the likes of Palmer and others. Rayn sees himself as an aggressive town player, personally I find he is an adaptive one, bringing out aggression when its called for not just for the sake of it. When Rayns scum though, he plays to his idea of himself and is far more pushy, often feeling as if he needs to jump on things before anyone else. I will be taking 2,1 because I dont trust Rayn atm and I rather neither he not get the one of his choice. As for his plan, I think it's fine so long as rayn doesn't get a gun, I'd prefer if Artanis and palmer could take hold of the heat.

As for LSb's issues with the plan, I dont see a problem with it myself, I'm sure Rayn thought it out pre game so it's fine either way as long as the right people are on top. I doubt scum would so openly disagree with it, they're probably going to just secretly pick whatever number they want. Openly attacking a plan thats gaining momentum seems silly / :

Anyone have any questions for me? I got a bit before I need to go.

On March 06 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
what motivation does mafia have for denying a town leader the role he wants?

really prplhz?

On March 06 2014 11:02 austinmcc wrote:
I want to talk to oats and prplhz. Working on it.

On March 06 2014 11:19 austinmcc wrote:
HEY PRPLHZ. YOU ARE MY PERSONAL IDOL.

Do you believe rayn's plan to be the bee's knees? If no, but you had to follow it ALMOST exactly, what single modification would you make in order to create your own plan that you could sell to the voting public as entirely original and better than his?

On March 06 2014 22:44 Xatalos wrote:
I think gumshoe is by far the least likely one of them to be Mafia. It's more like he personally explained his distrust of rayn rather than tried to get other people to distrust him. It's just so much how he distrusted me in GoT besides me obviously pushing town agenda.

On March 06 2014 23:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

I'm going to pick UBU. If mafia pick it up along the way, we'd be none the wiser.

If Oats is scum, he can pick anything other than assassin (probably JOAT based on all the speculation discussion) then causing mass chaos as best he can. A scumbuddy would have to take UBU so that Oats can copy/paste, but the damage would be done by then.

Unless me or prpl, in addition to Oats are scum (which is incredibly unlikely) then I think this is the safest thing for me to do with my pick.

If everything goes according to plan, I'm just VT which scarcely matters because of the hive mind.


I HAVE NOT YET SUBMITTED A ROLE

On March 06 2014 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and this is 99% win

On March 06 2014 23:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
You understand that you can only shoot at town sanctioned targets marv?

On March 07 2014 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I think where you are getting at and yeah, i can agree with that.

On March 07 2014 00:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually it is the best move to make everyone have roles because 9 or 10 town power roles is impossible to lose.

On March 07 2014 00:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I sent in rber already, can I still change and if so what do I need to change to?

On March 07 2014 00:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'm just skimming through the thread on my cell marv, get off my ridiculously huge nuts.

On March 07 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hey wait a second. marv, why would, if a JK target you, your roleblock on someone go through?

On March 03 2014 19:19 geript wrote:

Order of Operations

The order in which role's powers will be processed is:
1. Universal Backup (only in regards to assuming a new role)
2. Veteran
3. Roleblocker
4. Jack of All Trades (Roleblocker)
5. Jailkeeper
6. Role Cop
7. Detective
8. Jack of All Trades (Detective)
9. Medic
10. Jack of All Trades (Medic)
11. Vigilante
12. Jack of All Trades (Vigilante)
13. Mafia factional KP
14. Day Vigilante/Assassin **

On March 07 2014 00:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i think the order of actions means if you target each other, in that case the roleblock targets JK but the JK not the rb'r.

On March 07 2014 00:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also why were people still talking about me? I am literally confirmed town because I'm actively trying to post rather than actively trying to dodge the thread and have a 6 page filter halfway into the day. It's annoying.

On March 07 2014 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Jailkeeper & JoaT can't possibly roleblock a roleblocker?
What nonsense, but i like the nonsense because townfavored!

On March 07 2014 00:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I always need to wait for someone to post here so i can copy paste the vote.

On March 07 2014 00:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is so funny if Palmar is mafia. srsly.
"what would you say if i shot you right after you get your role"
"you can't you wanted day vig i get my role @ night"
"fuck game"
"hahaha"
"btw i am picking assassin"
"okay, works for me"

rofl

On March 07 2014 01:05 Hopeless1der wrote:

is that not basically what yamato said, but like a day ago?

On March 07 2014 01:22 Hopeless1der wrote:

context notwithstanding you have said essentially the same thing. If this is sufficient justification to lynch yamato, I'll just smh and continue to sheep

On March 07 2014 01:29 Xatalos wrote:
Lynching marv would be the ultimate YOLO. How about that?

On March 07 2014 04:05 yamato77 wrote:
I don't know why I sign up for games anymore.

On March 07 2014 07:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Honestly not sure I want to yolo. Yamato was really boring when he was in the thread.

On March 07 2014 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way Oats evolved around first calling Rayn's plan dumb and then later seeing the point and then being (one of) the first to call LSB out on a bad post reads pretty town to me.

On March 07 2014 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That is a good point. If he looks better as mafia then he probably actually is mafia.
Kind of a bad heuristic to go on though.

On March 07 2014 07:56 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't know about Oats. I thought he was scum last game and he was just playing games. Maybe I should check him.

On March 07 2014 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I have basically not paid attention to Oats after that post.

On March 07 2014 08:18 austinmcc wrote:
normal for you as either alignment.

It's about time in D1 for you to be getting people to vote me. I'd say it's a bad idea though

On March 07 2014 08:20 austinmcc wrote:
Liquid City, off the top of my head. I was afk D1, except for a small period, and you tried to get people to switch onto me at some point.

Not particularly hard maybe? I dunno.

I mainly remember that game because of the stupid node wagon and then wankfiend stuff

On March 07 2014 09:46 Xatalos wrote:
It just means that I won't be using the check on any of you tonight.