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This is pretty raw, so I'll spoil it if you need the reference. + Show Spoiler + suki > kush (1) kush > suki (1) thrawn > kush (2) rayn > thrawn (1) Jlaw > VE (1) -rayn, rayn > Wile (1) -thrawn -suki, suki > VE (2) VE > Wile (2) -rayn rayn > bum (1) -VE, VE > bum (2) -kush, kush > balla (1) thrawn > kush (1) bum > VE (3) -Jlaw -rayn, rayn > kush (2) JLaw > balla (2) -kush Zare > VE (3) Art > rayn (1) kush > bum (2) -Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (3) Bar > zar (1) -suki, suki >zar (2) -VE, VE > balla (1) -rayn Rayn > cross (1) -rayn, rayn > zar (3) -VE, VE > bum (2) -bum -wile(?), wile > cross (2) [red]balla > cross (3) zar > bum (3) -suki, suki > bum (4) -thrawn -JLaw, JLaw > zar (3) -balla, balla > zar (4) -art, Art > zar (5) bum > zar (6) -suki, suki > zar (7) -zar, zar > cross (3) VOTE FRENZY BEGINS -rayn -art, art > kush (1) rayn > kush (2) -suki suki > bar (1) -bum, bum > kush (3) thrawn > kush (4) (at this point kush (4) has surpassed Zar in votes.) -bar -Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (5) -suki, suki > kush (6) -thrawn DOUBLE TIME -rayn, rayn > balla (1) Cross > balla (2) thrawn > balla (3) -kush, kush > balla (4) (Kush (4) vs balla (4)) -Jlaw, jlaw > balla (5) (Kush (3) vs balla (5)) -suki, suki > balla (6) bar > balla (7) JLaw: I was pushing VE, unvoted VE while I was still fighting him an voted [red]balla. Could have stayed on VE when JLaw said he thought I was town, but opted not to. Again, he had mentioned during the kush lynch that he would rather lynch balla, and did switch at a key time. Some of that a scum might do but not all of it. I think we can safely assume JLaw is not scum based on voting. Bum, Artanis, VE, Zarepath and WileSlam are the only people not voting for balla. Suki and Barristan are arguable because they came on to the vote after one surpassed the other. Kush is debatable as well, since a scum in his position has no reason not to vote his teammate when he is the alternative. Only VE and Wile did not vote in the time Zar calimed until the lynch. I don't believe Wile was present, and I do believe VE genuinely didn't have time to read the votes based on his post. I would like it if both these players gave their thoughts on the lynch. I'd encourage everyone to read the filters of the last three to make your own read on them, because I believe we should lynch one of them. There has to be at least one mafia there. I'm fairly certain I've explained my situation, but I can answer any details people want to look into. Artanis has a really bad track record with the voting. He steered the train off Zarepath and on to kush, which was quite noble, but it would be the right play if they were both mafia. He clearly did not want to lynch balla. And his vote on zarepath was weak as well. On January 22 2014 04:26 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ##Unvote Time to 180 on my read on Rayn. When I first pointed out the reason for my suspicion he considered it completely idiotic. The way I've posted about him, no one would blame him for being suspicious of me or even calling for my head. Town sentiment has been against me as well, yet he gets where I'm coming from. Zare looks scummy as shit. Rayn's already said it all but calling VE town then calling him scum for it later is an obvious tell. ##vote Zarepath I'm also still interested in Kush. VE's looking better. The way he articulates his thoughts on Bum makes me feel better on him. Rather than mercilessly ragging on him it feels like he's trying to convey his thought process as clearly as possible. Kush, especially if Zare flips scum is of interest to me. He's never really given much explanation to his votes. Even though that's not customary of Kush in general, he's shown resistance to explaining even when pressed which I don't feel is his townie persona. His suspicions just follow general thread sentiment other than Zarepath, in which he's contrarian without explaining much about it at all. Could lynch. He has a bit of foresight present here, but Zarepath was at 5 here, which makes his vote a null tell. Zarepath, after managing to swing the vote away from him with his claim, did not put his vote anywhere useful. His vote on cross is similar to artanis' vote on kush, except a lot less telling. I also think it is highly likely that he is lying. A Blue VT claim is fairly safe for at least one mafia to make, especially one about to die, and mafia might have to challenge a DT later. I think the possibility of Artanis and Zarepath as the last two scum is good. But I'm the third man in that boat, so sink it anyway. | ||
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suki > kush (1) kush > suki (1) thrawn > kush (2) rayn > thrawn (1) Jlaw > VE (1) -rayn, rayn > Wile (1) -thrawn -suki, suki > VE (2) VE > Wile (2) -rayn rayn > bum (1) -VE, VE > bum (2) -kush, kush > balla (1) thrawn > kush (1) bum > VE (3) -Jlaw -rayn, rayn > kush (2) JLaw > balla (2) -kush Zare > VE (3) Art > rayn (1) kush > bum (2) -Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (3) Bar > zar (1) -suki, suki >zar (2) -VE, VE > balla (1) -rayn Rayn > cross (1) -rayn, rayn > zar (3) -VE, VE > bum (2) -bum -wile(?), wile > cross (2) balla > cross (3) zar > bum (3) -suki, suki > bum (4) -thrawn -JLaw, JLaw > zar (3) -balla, balla > zar (4) -art, Art > zar (5) bum > zar (6) -suki, suki > zar (7) -zar, zar > cross (3) VOTE FRENZY BEGINS -rayn -art, art > kush (1) rayn > kush (2) -suki suki > bar (1) -bum, bum > kush (3) thrawn > kush (4) (at this point kush (4) has surpassed Zar in votes.) -bar -Jlaw, Jlaw > kush (5) -suki, suki > kush (6) -thrawn DOUBLE TIME -rayn, rayn > balla (1) Cross > balla (2) thrawn > balla (3) -kush, kush > balla (4) (Kush (4) vs balla (4)) -Jlaw, jlaw > balla (5) (Kush (3) vs balla (5)) -suki, suki > balla (6) bar > balla (7) | ||
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On January 24 2014 11:24 kushm4sta wrote: @bum do you consider suki pretty solid town? do you know she has a reputation for skilled scumplay? I honestly have no read on her, I just trusted rayn's read. The votes say she can be scum. | ||
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Town 11.) Thrawn 7.) Crossfire99 13.) Kush <3 12.) Johnnylaw Neutral 2.) BarristanTheBold 8.) VisceraEyes 9.) Wile E. Coyote 4.) Suki, the scum god Red 5.) Artanis[Xp] 1.) Zarepath | ||
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On January 24 2014 11:29 kushm4sta wrote: and your read on VE is that he's town now? The votes so neutral, but my read on him as of right now is town. | ||
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If thats what your into. I like that my townies are talking, but I really need to hear where Artanis and Zarepath are in terms of reads. On January 23 2014 14:02 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not that kind of player. You're the only one who brought ill feelings from past games into this one. Past games? I don't know what you are talking about. I thought we were on really good terms up until this game. | ||
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On January 24 2014 11:52 thrawn2112 wrote: it's really hard for me to not think of the wording of zare's claim as alignment indicative His claim? Usually mafia is given fakeclaim. The way the hosts brushed off the claim as legal leads me to believe this was all possible. His apology post could be genuine, but he could also scum. On January 22 2014 06:24 zarepath wrote: So that's still breaking the rules if I'm not fake claiming? Crap. Sorry all. I think the wording can come from either alignment. "In the event that I wasn't fakeclaiming, is that still breaking the rules". I don't think that's completely believable coming from a townie. Mafia aren't allowed to claim in such a way, but townies would be? How does that make sense? That fact that he looked at it that way makes it weird coming from town. I think it's ignorant to accept it as a townslip. | ||
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On January 24 2014 12:05 kushm4sta wrote: dp said there are no fake claims. plus all fake claims will get crushed at lylo. wut, how would that be fair if mafia was not given a counterclaim to a blue role if everyone is allowed to copy/paste their role, name, flavor that the host gives them. By that logic, we could all claim our names like Zarepath did and mafia would have to make up ones? Also, did Rayn have a flavor name? He said he did and flipped town, but it wasn't given at the nightpost. Balla had one for the lynch. Not that I care too much On January 22 2014 08:07 DarthPunk wrote: NIGHT ONE Let's kill that one! screamed the Detectives. No, let's kill that one! Let's kill the one that doesn't want to kill who everyone else else wants to kill, said another. So they did. Balla24 the Mafia Roleblocker was Lynched! + Show Spoiler + You are DarthPunk and you are really good at wifom, Each night you may wifom a player to roleblock them and prevent the use of their power. You can roleblock and send in the factional KP in the same night if you are the last scum. The target, even if he is a VT, is notified of being roleblocked. You win when you outnumber the town or nothing can prevent that from happening You share a qt with your team here: (Mafia Roleblocker) There are 23 hours until the night action deadline. And 24 hours before the day post. On January 23 2014 08:05 Blazinghand wrote: Day 2 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rsQ93l.png) rayn the VT is dead. 11 alive, 6 to lynch. go. | ||
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On January 22 2014 06:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I am. I agree that Zare is probably not scum with all what happened. I want to lynch Kush. He's saying a lot of things without explaining anything. Follows thread sentiment except oddly on Zarepath, as if he knew he was town. ##unvote ##vote Kushm4sta The vote was still up in the air, and if kush was town, artanis might pick up on why people aren't voting him. It's hard to grab the reins in a situation like this as town, and it was Artanis that started the Kush lynch. He was giving content at a stressful time which is important for townies to do. This might be a credit to how well artanis plays scum though. I can see why he would as mafia focus rayn after I did, and then attempt to grab the lynch by guiding the town. Artanis is a rough call for me. I'm not going to go on Zarepath yet either, because there was a lot of pressure on and off him, and he did give content as to who to lynch, but it was at crossfire. suki has an interesting filter at the time of the lynch as well. Her content was there, up until they decided to lynch balla instead of kush. When it came to kush, she was trying to justify her vote on him, which is what you should do as town. But her content turned into more null posts and then she switched to balla in the heat of the moment at 7:52, when his lynch was more certain. The last thing she had said about him- On January 22 2014 06:45 suki wrote: I think Balla's play fits my view of him as town so far. Hm, not great. Her vote on him is virtually useless if she is scum. It is important to differentiate between barristan and suki here. | ||
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On January 24 2014 13:01 suki wrote: Hi bum, you never answered my question that I asked you earlier: Use your imagination  it's not worth talking about unless this an only this are going to effect your read on either me or Wile. | ||
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On January 24 2014 13:12 suki wrote: That's exactly why I'm asking you bum, stop dodging the question. I don't think I have to answer it. You persist with this I'm going to vote you. | ||
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3). I am a respectful teammate when I'm mafia, I would never risk incriminating my last teammate with me, especially the last one, unless they were ok with that. But I really don't mind if we were both to die. That said, suki, would you still follow through lynching artanis if I was lynched and flipped town today? This is pretty important. 4). I've always been suspicious of Artanis. Just because some posts I point out what I like doesn't mean I ever switch my read on him. He's valuable as a townie, and I wouldn't want to be the one to screw town over by leading a lynch on him without being sure. If suki or Artanis claim anything, they are mafia. I agree with kush, let's lynch artanis first and see what happens. I pretty much know I am not going to be lynched, and the only other person I think I'd like to see lynched is suki. It's unfortunate for mafia, but they already lost if I can count at all. ##Vote Artanis | ||
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You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop. Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated I breadcrumbed here: On January 21 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote: [red]In this chapter, we will be looking at both Raynpelikoneet and VisceraEyes. A Bum Emersion Fanfic[/red A Bum Emersion Fanfic = ABEF; the possible set-ups with a Parity Cop. Here is a post I had ready, but one of the set-ups confirmed that mafia blind shot rayn when then didn't know if there was a doctor or not. Unless they pinpointed myself being a DT (which I doubt), they couldn't have known, unless they still belived Wile. You can understand how adamant I was about lynching Zarepath, but I couldn't out myself just to disprove that maybe one of three people are scum. It was worth it to wait. Then, I was ready to accuse Wile, but his green correction again altered my game plan. I combed the scenarios, and was certain there was a set-up that let mafia know there was a doctor or not, which led me to believe zarepath was lying. Alas, set-up C was still possible so it destroyed my theory. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we do not have doctor. The prescence on a Cop is irrelevant at this point. 1) Rayn was shot. I believe he was a likely candidate to be protected, and mafia knew that. Mafia could not afford to have shot Rayn still be alive and no one dead. 2) Roleblocker was dead, so no shenanigans there. For reference on the set-up. Mafia would really have to know that none of ACEG are possible. They only have two groups in confirming the set-up, GF and no GodF. ADEH and BCFG. If they have a GodF, and they believe both claims, then option D and H are possible. If they do not have a GF, and they believe both options, then they cannot know there is not a doctor. F and G are interchangeable, so it would be taking a huge risk if mafia still were willing to shoot rayn on the 50/50 that he wasn't going to be protected. This is pretty speculative, but it is pretty good for us. If we have a Parity Cop, know that mafia will not have a Godfather. Thing is, I'm the Parity Cop You are Marvellosity, you always seem to have really good reads. Probably because you are a cop. Each night you target someone, and you're told if the alignment of your target is the same or different as your previous target. Your N1 check will not tell you an alignment but is necessary for your N2 check to work. You can't check yourself. You are Sane. You win when all the mafia have been eliminated So D and H are not possible. I also find it unlikely that the scum team was willing to shoot Rayn without knowing there was not a doctor. So I do believe the set-ups where both thrawn and zarepath are Blue VTs are extremely unlikely. Obviously, I am wrong, but it was a good exercise in determine that mafia do not have a GF. Knowing this made my power much stronger. Saying I thought Wile was lying and then going back on it because he said he was green was a DT slip, but suki pursuing the idea felt incredibly anti-town. At this point, I believe it makes sense for both suki and Artanis to be mafia. That's probably why she is voting me instead of Artanis. I'm pretty willing to go either direction. I don't think mafia can win if people believe, especially if I survive the lynch and the night. That's a huge risk by mafia when they don't have a GF. I'm debating whether or not I should say who I checked, I guess not, but I will see it's a townie. I wish I had checked Artanis, but my reads were bad when I made the check. | ||
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CARPE DIEM! | ||
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On January 24 2014 15:02 suki wrote: So, so far my town credentials read: lead a mislynch against a veteran on Day 2 caused a parity cop to be outed before Day 2 was over. wrong about everyone  Meh, my claim is my fault. I let my role and speculation get in the way of how I play town. I can understand why I looked fishy. Those credentials are something to be proud of if you do happen to be scum, which is unfortunate for you. | ||
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