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austinmcc
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marvellosity
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On February 01 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote: A girl can dream.You should know very well I'd never lie about that sort of thing as either alignment. Silly silly. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Can your present be to win this game with me rather than on your own? | ||
austinmcc
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On February 01 2014 03:35 marvellosity wrote: Not incompetence, just easier-to-catch scumplay.Why would you ever wish incompetence upon me? That hurts. There have to be SOME points where lying is better than truth for scum. | ||
austinmcc
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On February 01 2014 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote: If that's a "let's work together about something" comment, then yes. If that's saying you're town and want to live through the night, I can't help you there.Happy pre-birthday Austin! Can your present be to win this game with me rather than on your own? | ||
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Toadesstern
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48 hours of argueing with WoS about why you might or might not be town sounds fun to me. Good thing I don't have to go through that. | ||
WaveofShadow
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On February 01 2014 03:42 Toadesstern wrote: I kind of have the feeling that mafia is going to shoot me and have you two + marv in lylo considering WoS' comments about you recently. Can that be your birthday present from me? 48 hours of argueing with WoS about why you might or might not be town sounds fun to me. Good thing I don't have to go through that. Yeah fuck you, I'm not looking forward to it either, but I hope you realize your chances are just as good at being stuck there with me imo. | ||
WaveofShadow
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So disappointing. Why are there no baby seals yet? | ||
austinmcc
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I think my reads are in thread, I think we have a good lynch, I think part of D5 will depend on the NK, and I have lots of super secret plans that I can't let scum know about. | ||
austinmcc
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WaveofShadow
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I actually really like that he wrote that because it basically means exactly what Toad was talking about (and I've been thinking for ages) is true. Hell Prome even referred to me as 'one of the weaker players' earlier on in the thread---I imagine they're banking their entire game now on me fucking up somehow, and they figure I can be convinced one way or the other. And boy I'll tell ya, if there was one person who's pretty good at convincing me of stuff, it's marv. ![]() | ||
austinmcc
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Marv - + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 02:09 marvellosity wrote: At this stage though, WoS is at least trying and VE is not. Not entertaining wifomy shit about that either. On January 25 2014 21:49 marvellosity wrote: The only thing I find weird from Wave today. Weird way of kinda admitting that his reasons for finding VE town are wonky? Meh. Agree with gonzaw though, his filter is remarkable today, can not lynch Worryingly the two other posts I noted down because I agreed with them were from austin This isn't to dig at Wave, this is more to comment on VE. More in a sec austin much better when not wifflewaffling about stupid stuff and actually talking about stuff to do with alignments. Really at the moment it's something like: gonzaw/marv/austin/prome - very sexually attractive wave - becoming increasingly sexually attractive by sheer dint of effort and activity apart from anything else, cba to talk at length because no reason kita - also becoming increasingly attractive, to a lesser extent. I went back to read his large vote analysis post because at the time I wasn't convinced why for whatever reason. It looks better the 2nd time round. People have kinda taken the piss out of his combinatrics, but he seems to be trying to eliminate unlikely teams within that post, which in turn eliminates possible mislynches if he's mafia. I would like you to answer kita (because it wasn't abundantly clear to me) how you've arrived at Prome as "town". In your analyis post it seemed like you were basically coming around to the idea that Prome wasn't mafia anymore, but without being particularly firm about it as far as I could tell. Did your vote analysis + other people's comments firm up your town read on Prome? Or what? Foolishness case also quite compelling, didn't read too forced, made some sense, so... foolish - was kinda sexually attractive, now in fear of beer goggles. I keep reading his filter because people keep talking about him, and I keep understanding what people are saying, but all his posts now read so natural and not-bad to me :/ I'm shit-scared that i'm wrong but meeeeeh. i'm good enough and, frankly, i have the most recent game experience (last year or two) with foolish out of anyone here. for whatever reason gonzaw is the person i'm most likely to listen to on gonzaw because he seems to approach his alignment in a similar way to me. and gonzaw is starting to think he's scummy... bleh toad - quite ugly. Honestly I'm not understanding any of the rationale put forth by austin on why the slot is particularly townie. Don't get the Holyflare "brainz" thing. I understand to a more limited extent Prome's point on D1 that Holy couldn't be "that terrible" with something he posted if he were scummy, but still meh. I also cannot get over the idea of someone reading through a thread and missing out someone's posts, even as an aid to "save time" because ultimately it doesn't save much time at the time, it doesn't save time in the long run, and it makes other people's posts harder to understand. I can't imagine doing it myself. The case on Wave is weak and again I do not understand austin's rationale of "it's weak in a townie way". No, it's just weak. He's one of my two mafia currently. would kill VE - also quite ugly. I'm so over the woe is me routine. He came back to the thread posting yesterday and I was all like "yay, maybe he's town!" but then he kinda just wandered around listlessly and bitched at stuff. This feels like one of those times someone is being allowed to slip under the radar while people distract themselves with more shiny things. Remember how suspicious people were of VE right post-flip? And yet somehow now, there's nothing... what's warranted this, actually? Nothing... The one thing I'm basically worried is happening with the way things have been going is that Foolish = town, and he's right that lynching into that list would actually win the game for town. So... there has to be a push by mafia (if that would win the game) to lynch outside of that list, and Foolish is the target. In particular this makes me quite paranoid of kita. Nonetheless I think we should go for the best of both worlds and find the MOST suspicious people from Fool's list and lynch them and worry about things if we haven't won by then. In other words, VE/Toad mafia, let's kill them. oh PS, there's also a non-zero chance I won't be around for deadline today, social thingies. Fair warning too On January 26 2014 03:43 marvellosity wrote: And you think Wave is a good vote today after he's been the most active this cycle? On January 26 2014 22:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Which I have noticed, specifically called him on and tried to see if we could do something about. As for filter length, as people have said quantity != quality but I'd like to think there's at least a little bit in there. It pisses me off that anyone can say I'm not trying. As either alignment. This post is WoS's, but leads to the next two On January 26 2014 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, I'll give you "a little bit" of content buddy. That's as far as I'll stretch ![]() On January 26 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote: Put it this way: if you're mafia, I'm extremely impressed with your effort and commitment this cycle. Big focus on EFFORT, ACTIVITY, very little focus on actual posts. There's not a whole lot else that I'm finding super mega interesting, except for marv's scumread on Foolishness into his vote. Here is why: (1) Marv, on D2 and N2, appears to mainly be worried about Foolishness BECAUSE of Foolishness's scumread on WoS and his unwillingness to relent from that read (remember, this is after WoS posts a bunch, and most of thread goes from scummy to townie on WoS) Marv being critical of Foolishness's scum read on WoS - + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2014 23:52 marvellosity wrote: Fool, what's the point in Wave doing this as mafia when literally noone agreed with him and it just made him stick out from the crowd? On January 28 2014 00:01 marvellosity wrote: This is so so wonky On January 28 2014 00:06 marvellosity wrote: This is even wonkier though, seems like Fool is threatening gonzaw, or gonzaw is suspicious, or something? But then immediately following these posts Fool is treating gonzaw as town again. What do you make of this Wave? (or anyone about who cares to read) None of Fool's recent posting reads like it comes from a townie, from his intransigence on the Wave read (along with the rationale), to the being ok but not ok but ok with the VE lynch, to being sure about Wave but saying he might be wrong, to the weird threats to gonzaw. I am frowning. Now, marv also grabs a kita quote about Foolishness's lack of concern for his town image this game, but it appears that a lot of the reason marv gravitates towards a scumFool read is his WoS read, sureness of that read, and him not wanting to back off it. In terms of REASONS that marv has been scummy on Foolishness through D2/N2/start of D3, the MAIN thing that I see in marv's filter is Foolishness's WoS read is wrong, he's being too stubborn about it. I KNOW that I don't have 18 posts from marv saying this, but if you check marv's filter for talk about WoS and Foolishness on D2/N2, you see that WoS is townie now because of activity, and Foolishness is mafia mainly because of his refusal to be townie on WoS after WoS's, N2/D2. (2) marv drops his foolishness vote early D3 (we're 2 hours into D3 here) - On January 28 2014 10:11 marvellosity wrote: kita, the problem is that it's almost impossible to tell (especially with toad) from that whether he's a townie with a natural evolution (i agree, it feels that way) or if mafia decided they need to bus Fool at some point in the past and he's been carefully working his way up to it ever since. Second scenario requires one more assumption than the first. But in the larger picture it means a larger assumption that, like you say, something has gone horribly wrong. I think the sum of it is, we need to kill Fool today, so let's do it. He's easily the most suspicious. ##Vote: Foolishness (3) Within a couple minutes, Foolishness drops his big posts. In his Q and A, you see explanations for why he didn't write a big post on wave, When I saw your name appear in the thread, I was expecting a Nobel-Prize winning essay on why WaveOfShadow is mafia...but I don't see his name, what gives? Put simply, I don't think he's mafia and I don't want to lynch him. If I'm going to be brutally honest, I still have this nagging doubt in my mind that he's mafia but the evidence shows that that's not who the town should be lynching. He doesn't fit the bill. What do you have to say about *insert player here*'s reads this game (either on you or *insert player here*)? I think the evidence I've brought forth should explain a lot about who is reading who this game and why. I've been called out for giving shitty reasons on why Kita and/or Toad is mafia (with WoS thrown in there as well) rightfully so. You've completely done a 180 on us and changed up everything you've been thinking this game! I think you look like a desperate mafia pulling a last ditch attempt to survive a lynch! Now, he has posts later in D3 about why WoS is town, but for now, all we see is that he WAS very sure of scumWoS on D2, then changed his mind, presents WoS as town, has different suspects.Yes, this is a reasonable concern (though in my opinion I could just convince you all to lynch WoS if that was the case, but that's a meaningless argument). This is why I urge you all to check out my analysis above on the three players and clearing your mind when trying to figure out this game. I was definitely looking in all the wrong places the past two days and the pieces weren't fitting together. I think that if you look at what I've given you above and how I was able to deduce these things everything should start clicking. WHY ARE THESE THREE THINGS IMPORTANT? Because marv has a scumread on Foolishness. One of marv's major issue, if not THE major issue (the only one he talks about during D2/N2 basically), is Foolishness's read on WoS. Foolishness, at the start of D3, entirely swaps his read on WoS. He gives some reasoning for it, says he was wrong, drops WoS as a top scum suspect. Says it's prome + mystery 2nd scum. But marv, throughout D3, does not even reference this change in Foolishness's WoS read once. He doesn't note that Foolishness has changed his read and is now slightly townier. He doesn't say Foolishness is scummier for getting called out on his WoS read, getting caught, and then trying to change his mind. Marv entirely ignores that his biggest scumread and the guy he was voting just potentially undermined a big reason why marv was scummy on him, and really the only recent reason marv has given. I think this further shows why marv is mafia. If he is town, he has a LEGITIMATE scumread on Foolishness for doing stuff. Foolishness just did something that is SUPER relevant to that read. A townmarv incorporates that into his read, does SOMETHING with it, whether it makes Foolishness more townie or more scummy, it MATTERS. The fact that marv does not reference Foolishness's change in his WoS read AT ALL indicates that marv's read on Foolishness isn't real. He's got a reason for Foolishness to be scum, he's got a vote, he wants to mislynch Foolishness and it looks like it's going to happen, nothing more needed. | ||
Toadesstern
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On February 01 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah fuck you, I'm not looking forward to it either, but I hope you realize your chances are just as good at being stuck there with me imo. Live updates from what's going through my head while reading this: + Show Spoiler [#1] + ![]() + Show Spoiler [#2] + ![]() you know, except for the fact that I'm not actually a girl | ||
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WaveofShadow
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You're the one putting so much effort in now and I'm sooo laaazzzyyy Can I call you town based on effort? ![]() + Show Spoiler + I know I actually can't 'cause it's you, Mr. PTP: Dr Who | ||
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