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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:11 GMT
#2761
He did have a bunch of votes, most town, on him during D1 of dessert mini.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:15 GMT
#2762
I would have preferred you be outright lying about prome, marv. Games in which he started scummy are old, but they're there. We'll allow it for now.

*cough*
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 31 2014 18:31 GMT
#2763
You should know very well I'd never lie about that sort of thing as either alignment. Silly silly.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:34 GMT
#2764
On February 01 2014 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
You should know very well I'd never lie about that sort of thing as either alignment. Silly silly.
A girl can dream.
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
January 31 2014 18:35 GMT
#2765
Why would you ever wish incompetence upon me? That hurts.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#2766
Happy pre-birthday Austin!
Can your present be to win this game with me rather than on your own?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#2767
On February 01 2014 03:35 marvellosity wrote:
Why would you ever wish incompetence upon me? That hurts.
Not incompetence, just easier-to-catch scumplay.

There have to be SOME points where lying is better than truth for scum.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#2768
On February 01 2014 03:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Happy pre-birthday Austin!
Can your present be to win this game with me rather than on your own?
If that's a "let's work together about something" comment, then yes. If that's saying you're town and want to live through the night, I can't help you there.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#2769
(Nor can I help you with ME living through the night)
Fe fi fo fum.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 31 2014 18:42 GMT
#2770
I kind of have the feeling that mafia is going to shoot me and have you two + marv in lylo considering WoS' comments about you recently. Can that be your birthday present from me?
48 hours of argueing with WoS about why you might or might not be town sounds fun to me. Good thing I don't have to go through that.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 31 2014 18:44 GMT
#2771
On February 01 2014 03:42 Toadesstern wrote:
I kind of have the feeling that mafia is going to shoot me and have you two + marv in lylo considering WoS' comments about you recently. Can that be your birthday present from me?
48 hours of argueing with WoS about why you might or might not be town sounds fun to me. Good thing I don't have to go through that.

Yeah fuck you, I'm not looking forward to it either, but I hope you realize your chances are just as good at being stuck there with me imo.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 31 2014 19:03 GMT
#2772
Man, I show up an errrybody disappears
So disappointing.
Why are there no baby seals yet?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 19:10 GMT
#2773
Not disappeared, but I've felt somewhat spammy this cycle, even though I know a lot of my posts are rehashing thoughts.

I think my reads are in thread, I think we have a good lynch, I think part of D5 will depend on the NK, and I have lots of super secret plans that I can't let scum know about.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 19:13 GMT
#2774
marv, do you have a magical likelihood scale? Even if it's not a real response to kita on toad/myself, do you have just a generic

x > y > z

?
Fe fi fo fum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 31 2014 19:15 GMT
#2775
I thought that Prome was going to try and convince me.
I actually really like that he wrote that because it basically means exactly what Toad was talking about (and I've been thinking for ages) is true. Hell Prome even referred to me as 'one of the weaker players' earlier on in the thread---I imagine they're banking their entire game now on me fucking up somehow, and they figure I can be convinced one way or the other.

And boy I'll tell ya, if there was one person who's pretty good at convincing me of stuff, it's marv.

twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 19:44 GMT
#2776
Remember how I thought people just equating activity/effort with townieness was a lazy way of swapping reads on you, WoS? Like how prome says you're town for activity after you post?

Marv - + Show Spoiler +
On January 25 2014 02:09 marvellosity wrote:
At this stage though, WoS is at least trying and VE is not.

Not entertaining wifomy shit about that either.
On January 25 2014 21:49 marvellosity wrote:
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On January 25 2014 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:26 austinmcc wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:04 austinmcc wrote:
Do you think Foolishness is the BEST lynch for today? Most likely mafia? Or just he's got a good chance of flipping, but probably better prey elsewhere?


I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him.

I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion.

You haven't seen anything compelling against toad? What about gonzaw and my prodding of him?

Do you agree with any of toad's case on me? Why or why not?

(Goes for you too austin)
I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.

As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game.

He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him.

So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you.

Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place.

Your reasons for finding Toad towny in this post remind me of the reasons why I find VE towny.
What say you to that?

The only thing I find weird from Wave today. Weird way of kinda admitting that his reasons for finding VE town are wonky? Meh. Agree with gonzaw though, his filter is remarkable today, can not lynch

Worryingly the two other posts I noted down because I agreed with them were from austin
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On January 25 2014 12:43 austinmcc wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:26 austinmcc wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:11 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:04 austinmcc wrote:
Do you think Foolishness is the BEST lynch for today? Most likely mafia? Or just he's got a good chance of flipping, but probably better prey elsewhere?


I think it's between VE and Foolishness for me. Wave seems like he is putting enough effort into the game to warrant surviving at least one cycle longer than these two. I haven't seen a compelling argument against Toad yet. Holy was scummy null for me, but that was off a limited amount of posts. I'm mostly in wait and see mode on him.

I'm on the fence with VE right now. A lot of the things he is doing I can see from a town or mafia VE. As of right now, Foolishness is the best lynch in my opinion.

You haven't seen anything compelling against toad? What about gonzaw and my prodding of him?

Do you agree with any of toad's case on me? Why or why not?

(Goes for you too austin)
I still kinda like Toad. Liked HF. Don't care that Toad didn't read HF's filter. Wish there was more current contribution, because I think a lot of the early stuff has to be discounted given his lack of feel for the time right before lynch.

As far as his case on you, I think it starts off in a ... townie way I guess? For whatever reason, I view him as accusing you SOLELY because of your absence at lynch time, the 20 minute stuff, to be a townie-ish thing? That's a weak ass reason to vote someone over anyone and anything else in the game.

He explicitly states, with his vote on you and having said you're his favorite lynch, that he's still trying to get through your filter (vote early on, reading filter recently). I don't LOVE the idea of mafia straight up saying that they're going through the filter of a guy AFTER voting him.

So, right now I was townie on HF, and I'm now looking kinda townie on Toad. I think the majority of his early posts on you are not convincing of anything because they're based on little and he explicitly hasn't read you.

Overall, I find his case terribly unconvincing, but I think it comes from the right place.

Your reasons for finding Toad towny in this post remind me of the reasons why I find VE towny.
What say you to that?
I'm not seeing the connection, tbh.

If you mean because you're townie on VE for conspiracy theories, I don't think that translates. Toad is less conspiracy theory and more...jumping straight into things, convinced, and PUSHING them.

I think, honestly, otherwise, you don't actually have good reasons to think VE is town. I think it relies very very heavily on both talking about sandroba, except that you are both saying the same FACTS. Sandroba being a lazy scum is known. Apparently sandroba not caring about pressure is KNOWN. You're not both taking in information and spitting out these same weird thoughts or anything, you're mostly just both saying "the sun is hot."

You have a minor point on VE's ragequitting, how it's honest, more likely town, but you ask whether he ragequits as scum. If you believe the answers to that question (marv said yes, dunno if anyone else chimed in), then...all that ragequit jazz is null now.

alktjghaelkteahtea. Whatever. I don't see why you think the reasoning on the two are similar. And I don't think you have good points about VE. Sry.

This isn't to dig at Wave, this is more to comment on VE. More in a sec
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On January 25 2014 12:19 austinmcc wrote:
On January 25 2014 12:14 kitaman27 wrote:
Where are you on VE, austin?
I think VE, more than anyone else today, has slipped past a lot of attention.

I haven't been able to chat with him. A bunch of his time in thread today was pork chop discussion or discussion of Toad reading HF's filter.

The only recent positive for him is that he spent some time N1/D2 attacking prome. Like, out of any target mafia wants to go after, he takes a guy that comes off looking pretty good after the lynch, RATHER than attacking foolishness when given an opening, rather than attacking you, wos, toad. It's an odd choice.

Otherwise, he has not scumhunted today. PART of that is people shutting down his suspects. PART of that is him scumhunting by presenting teams or relying on votes. Unsure on how to weight those, but, to me, the contributions he has presented today do not make him town.

This is why I want to actually get a chance to speak with him.

austin much better when not wifflewaffling about stupid stuff and actually talking about stuff to do with alignments.

Really at the moment it's something like:

gonzaw/marv/austin/prome - very sexually attractive
wave - becoming increasingly sexually attractive by sheer dint of effort and activity apart from anything else, cba to talk at length because no reason
kita - also becoming increasingly attractive, to a lesser extent. I went back to read his large vote analysis post because at the time I wasn't convinced why for whatever reason. It looks better the 2nd time round. People have kinda taken the piss out of his combinatrics, but he seems to be trying to eliminate unlikely teams within that post, which in turn eliminates possible mislynches if he's mafia. I would like you to answer kita (because it wasn't abundantly clear to me) how you've arrived at Prome as "town". In your analyis post it seemed like you were basically coming around to the idea that Prome wasn't mafia anymore, but without being particularly firm about it as far as I could tell. Did your vote analysis + other people's comments firm up your town read on Prome? Or what? Foolishness case also quite compelling, didn't read too forced, made some sense, so...
foolish - was kinda sexually attractive, now in fear of beer goggles. I keep reading his filter because people keep talking about him, and I keep understanding what people are saying, but all his posts now read so natural and not-bad to me :/ I'm shit-scared that i'm wrong but meeeeeh. i'm good enough and, frankly, i have the most recent game experience (last year or two) with foolish out of anyone here. for whatever reason gonzaw is the person i'm most likely to listen to on gonzaw because he seems to approach his alignment in a similar way to me. and gonzaw is starting to think he's scummy... bleh

toad - quite ugly. Honestly I'm not understanding any of the rationale put forth by austin on why the slot is particularly townie. Don't get the Holyflare "brainz" thing. I understand to a more limited extent Prome's point on D1 that Holy couldn't be "that terrible" with something he posted if he were scummy, but still meh. I also cannot get over the idea of someone reading through a thread and missing out someone's posts, even as an aid to "save time" because ultimately it doesn't save much time at the time, it doesn't save time in the long run, and it makes other people's posts harder to understand. I can't imagine doing it myself. The case on Wave is weak and again I do not understand austin's rationale of "it's weak in a townie way". No, it's just weak. He's one of my two mafia currently. would kill
VE - also quite ugly. I'm so over the woe is me routine. He came back to the thread posting yesterday and I was all like "yay, maybe he's town!" but then he kinda just wandered around listlessly and bitched at stuff. This feels like one of those times someone is being allowed to slip under the radar while people distract themselves with more shiny things. Remember how suspicious people were of VE right post-flip? And yet somehow now, there's nothing... what's warranted this, actually? Nothing...

The one thing I'm basically worried is happening with the way things have been going is that Foolish = town, and he's right that lynching into that list would actually win the game for town. So... there has to be a push by mafia (if that would win the game) to lynch outside of that list, and Foolish is the target. In particular this makes me quite paranoid of kita. Nonetheless I think we should go for the best of both worlds and find the MOST suspicious people from Fool's list and lynch them and worry about things if we haven't won by then.

In other words, VE/Toad mafia, let's kill them.

oh PS, there's also a non-zero chance I won't be around for deadline today, social thingies. Fair warning too
On January 26 2014 03:43 marvellosity wrote:
And you think Wave is a good vote today after he's been the most active this cycle?
On January 26 2014 22:46 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 26 2014 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
I may or may not later, lol, as 'limited capacity' describes me quite aptly right now also. The timing of him leaving the thread as you reappeared is just so off. Dunno if I noticed especially because I was reading a large chunk of the thread at once, but it was like
a) fool talking about how wave is almost certainly mafia
b) wave comes in and starts posting about stuff
c) fool immediately decides to leave the thread

It's something I'll probably check out later but it feels like, in general, there's been a lack of engagement with you on his behalf.

Which I have noticed, specifically called him on and tried to see if we could do something about.

As for filter length, as people have said quantity != quality but I'd like to think there's at least a little bit in there. It pisses me off that anyone can say I'm not trying. As either alignment.

This post is WoS's, but leads to the next two
On January 26 2014 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Yeah, I'll give you "a little bit" of content buddy.

That's as far as I'll stretch
On January 26 2014 22:52 marvellosity wrote:
Put it this way: if you're mafia, I'm extremely impressed with your effort and commitment this cycle.

Big focus on EFFORT, ACTIVITY, very little focus on actual posts.



There's not a whole lot else that I'm finding super mega interesting, except for marv's scumread on Foolishness into his vote. Here is why:

(1) Marv, on D2 and N2, appears to mainly be worried about Foolishness BECAUSE of Foolishness's scumread on WoS and his unwillingness to relent from that read (remember, this is after WoS posts a bunch, and most of thread goes from scummy to townie on WoS)

Marv being critical of Foolishness's scum read on WoS - + Show Spoiler +
On January 27 2014 23:52 marvellosity wrote:
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On January 26 2014 07:40 Foolishness wrote:
No, WoS turn around on Promethelax is not congruent with a town mindset, and this is what I meant by he's ignoring key information about the lynch. That is a mafia agenda to push, he doesn't want to bring light to the things the day 1 votes say (such as the 5 people voting for sandroba should be confirmed town).

Fool, what's the point in Wave doing this as mafia when literally noone agreed with him and it just made him stick out from the crowd?
On January 28 2014 00:01 marvellosity wrote:
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On January 26 2014 07:43 Foolishness wrote:
Let me clarify again that I am perfectly happy with VE getting lynched. I just have a strong read on WoS and VE's frustration makes sense as a town frame of mind.

When you say things like, "VE didn't push a lynch day 1, he wasn't accomplishing anything with his posts, he has since been not contributing" I have nothing to say except, "yep, I agree". I am not deflecting off his lynch, I just think WoS is slightly better and will tell us more. If you guys are convinced that VE needs to die now and that WoS is town I will gladly ablige; I've even admitted I could be wrong on both accounts.

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On January 26 2014 07:58 Foolishness wrote:
On January 26 2014 07:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Didn't you want to lynch Holy before sandroba? Has Toad's play changed your mind on him or is it just that WoS's and VE's play is just much worse since then?

Yes I did. I thought Holy was mafia based on his posts and his replacement posts. After the lynch I went back and reread them and thought "okay I can see him as town saying these things even if they are suspect". As I said earlier I go back and forth on his posts.

Toad seems like he's trying to figure things out, and even if I don't agree with his arguments he's doing things for the town and VE is not. I can't argue against VE here. I'm very confident about my read on WoS at this point, it will be reevaluated for the following day because he should be lynched asap.

This is so so wonky
On January 28 2014 00:06 marvellosity wrote:
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On January 26 2014 09:45 Foolishness wrote:
Gonzaw I'm not answering or responding to anything you say until you answer my question to you:
On January 26 2014 08:56 Foolishness wrote:
Question for you now: this isn't the first time I've explained something and you said you were "not convinced". Furthermore, when I bring up facts and thoughts about the game thus far you seem to ask questions about other related things instead of bringing up my points directly and either refuting them or disagreeing with them. This tells me that you are actually in agreement with a lot of things that I'm saying and are just trying to look for things about me that may or may not be there. Are you so concerned about the slim chance of me being mafia that you are willing to sacrifice the good of the town just to make sure?


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On January 26 2014 09:47 Foolishness wrote:
And I'd suggest you answer that question very carefully.

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On January 26 2014 10:01 Foolishness wrote:
On January 26 2014 09:58 gonzaw wrote:
1)Show me which times I was "not convinced" about direct stuff that I apparently agreed on

2)Just because you make sense on somethings it doesn't mean you are town (for instance the "vote analysis").

Oops! Wrong answer.

This is even wonkier though, seems like Fool is threatening gonzaw, or gonzaw is suspicious, or something? But then immediately following these posts Fool is treating gonzaw as town again.
What do you make of this Wave? (or anyone about who cares to read)

None of Fool's recent posting reads like it comes from a townie, from his intransigence on the Wave read (along with the rationale), to the being ok but not ok but ok with the VE lynch, to being sure about Wave but saying he might be wrong, to the weird threats to gonzaw. I am frowning.


Now, marv also grabs a kita quote about Foolishness's lack of concern for his town image this game, but it appears that a lot of the reason marv gravitates towards a scumFool read is his WoS read, sureness of that read, and him not wanting to back off it.

In terms of REASONS that marv has been scummy on Foolishness through D2/N2/start of D3, the MAIN thing that I see in marv's filter is Foolishness's WoS read is wrong, he's being too stubborn about it. I KNOW that I don't have 18 posts from marv saying this, but if you check marv's filter for talk about WoS and Foolishness on D2/N2, you see that WoS is townie now because of activity, and Foolishness is mafia mainly because of his refusal to be townie on WoS after WoS's, N2/D2.


(2) marv drops his foolishness vote early D3 (we're 2 hours into D3 here) -
On January 28 2014 10:11 marvellosity wrote:
kita, the problem is that it's almost impossible to tell (especially with toad) from that whether he's a townie with a natural evolution (i agree, it feels that way) or if mafia decided they need to bus Fool at some point in the past and he's been carefully working his way up to it ever since. Second scenario requires one more assumption than the first. But in the larger picture it means a larger assumption that, like you say, something has gone horribly wrong.

I think the sum of it is, we need to kill Fool today, so let's do it. He's easily the most suspicious.

##Vote: Foolishness


(3) Within a couple minutes, Foolishness drops his big posts. In his Q and A, you see explanations for why he didn't write a big post on wave,
When I saw your name appear in the thread, I was expecting a Nobel-Prize winning essay on why WaveOfShadow is mafia...but I don't see his name, what gives?
Put simply, I don't think he's mafia and I don't want to lynch him. If I'm going to be brutally honest, I still have this nagging doubt in my mind that he's mafia but the evidence shows that that's not who the town should be lynching. He doesn't fit the bill.
What do you have to say about *insert player here*'s reads this game (either on you or *insert player here*)?
I think the evidence I've brought forth should explain a lot about who is reading who this game and why. I've been called out for giving shitty reasons on why Kita and/or Toad is mafia (with WoS thrown in there as well) rightfully so.
You've completely done a 180 on us and changed up everything you've been thinking this game! I think you look like a desperate mafia pulling a last ditch attempt to survive a lynch!
Yes, this is a reasonable concern (though in my opinion I could just convince you all to lynch WoS if that was the case, but that's a meaningless argument). This is why I urge you all to check out my analysis above on the three players and clearing your mind when trying to figure out this game. I was definitely looking in all the wrong places the past two days and the pieces weren't fitting together. I think that if you look at what I've given you above and how I was able to deduce these things everything should start clicking.
Now, he has posts later in D3 about why WoS is town, but for now, all we see is that he WAS very sure of scumWoS on D2, then changed his mind, presents WoS as town, has different suspects.

WHY ARE THESE THREE THINGS IMPORTANT?
Because marv has a scumread on Foolishness. One of marv's major issue, if not THE major issue (the only one he talks about during D2/N2 basically), is Foolishness's read on WoS.

Foolishness, at the start of D3, entirely swaps his read on WoS. He gives some reasoning for it, says he was wrong, drops WoS as a top scum suspect. Says it's prome + mystery 2nd scum.

But marv, throughout D3, does not even reference this change in Foolishness's WoS read once. He doesn't note that Foolishness has changed his read and is now slightly townier. He doesn't say Foolishness is scummier for getting called out on his WoS read, getting caught, and then trying to change his mind. Marv entirely ignores that his biggest scumread and the guy he was voting just potentially undermined a big reason why marv was scummy on him, and really the only recent reason marv has given.

I think this further shows why marv is mafia. If he is town, he has a LEGITIMATE scumread on Foolishness for doing stuff. Foolishness just did something that is SUPER relevant to that read. A townmarv incorporates that into his read, does SOMETHING with it, whether it makes Foolishness more townie or more scummy, it MATTERS. The fact that marv does not reference Foolishness's change in his WoS read AT ALL indicates that marv's read on Foolishness isn't real. He's got a reason for Foolishness to be scum, he's got a vote, he wants to mislynch Foolishness and it looks like it's going to happen, nothing more needed.
Fe fi fo fum.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 31 2014 19:50 GMT
#2777
On February 01 2014 03:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 01 2014 03:42 Toadesstern wrote:
I kind of have the feeling that mafia is going to shoot me and have you two + marv in lylo considering WoS' comments about you recently. Can that be your birthday present from me?
48 hours of argueing with WoS about why you might or might not be town sounds fun to me. Good thing I don't have to go through that.

Yeah fuck you, I'm not looking forward to it either, but I hope you realize your chances are just as good at being stuck there with me imo.

Live updates from what's going through my head while reading this:

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you know, except for the fact that I'm not actually a girl
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 19:52 GMT
#2778
Next game I play with Toad, I just want to post a bunch of entirely irrelevant anime pictures, or ones with fake captions.
Fe fi fo fum.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 31 2014 19:54 GMT
#2779
Looking forward to it \o/
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
January 31 2014 19:54 GMT
#2780
Jesus Austin.
You're the one putting so much effort in now and I'm sooo laaazzzyyy

Can I call you town based on effort?

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I know I actually can't 'cause it's you, Mr. PTP: Dr Who
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