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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:18 marvellosity wrote: Anyway screw you all for being active right about the time I need to be in bed. 2:20 so I am heading there immediately. kk will you be around to talk tomorrow? I will actually be pretty active for most of the day up until usual time pre-deadline. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:19 WaveofShadow wrote: kk will you be around to talk tomorrow? I will actually be pretty active for most of the day up until usual time pre-deadline. I'll be mostly around at work, less so in the evening when I do things. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Hokay. There are two parts to this.Oh god the brainz question again? Can you remind me where that ridiculousness stems from? (1) Why I think the brainz thing is important. In Holy's filter, one of the MAIN things he did was have this long back and forth with Gonzaw. G wants to lynch Foolishness for doing nothing. HF wants to know why Foolishness and not Sandroba, since Sandroba has done nothing. Gonzaw says Sandro always AFK early, Foolishness not normally AFK, just scum Foolishness. HF continues to push Gonzaw, although in a silly way, that caught 1 why not find more bit. Says Gonzaw is "copping out" from the rest of the game for just finding Foolishness. They CONTINUE this discussion. Gonzaw wants HF to calm down. HF responds sorry, thinks it's odd, will step back. Asks kitaman ABOUT gonzaw, is this normal Gonzaw play? To just spend time on Foolishness (remember, Gonzaw posted a bunch of meta stuff on Foolishness when Foolishness had like 3-4 posts) At this point, hapa gets involved and starts asking why HF is so concerned with Foolishness/gonzaw business HF reply - + Show Spoiler + On January 22 2014 06:13 Holyflare wrote: I do not want to participate in a discussion based on a person with 4 posts, it is futile. Foolishness has posted nothing and gonzaw is spending his entire time focusing on that person. I want to know what Gonzaw is like in other games, does he tunnel like that, does he declare he is not reading the thread till he gets home only to still spend his time on futile research? These are all questions I would like to know the answers to based on people's previous games with him. Just because he has put effort in and has posted does not make him towny. I asked that question specifically to kita because I think me and him are on the same wavelength (he asked gonzaw how long it took him to do the foolishness meta post - what I assumed to be seeing how he was allocating time) and I would like him to elaborate on his thoughts. I have no attitude towards foolishness other than my dislike for his unexplained reads. It's not scummy, it's not towny, I want to know his reasonings before I take my read further. Could he be scum? Yes. Could he be town? Yes. I do not know and cannot know until he posts, so of course my attitude to him would be a net null read. (1a) LOOK AT HOW TOWNIE THE ABOVE THINGS SEEM (1b) Gonzaw responds to hapa that HF's conduct isn't strange if he's scum. (1c) HF GOES AGGRO ON GONZAW, asking him to answer the questions about Foolishness, meta, whatnot, instead of joking with hapa. And while going aggro on Gonzaw, he writes "brainz". You think this is dumb, other people think this is dumb, but if he's scum and worried that Gonzaw thinks he's scum, I don't think he half-jokingly writes brainz. Instead, he just slinks away or goes aggro but not aggro with a z. Instead, he DEMANDS answers from Gonzaw but also uses a z. FOR ME THIS IS SIGNIFICANT I KID YOU NOT. Read HF/Gonzaw exchange. As they have that exchange, HF is asking kita, asking other players, trying to read Gonzaw. It reads like legit townie trying to figure someone out. It ends in a manner I find townie, with HF going aggro on Gonzaw and trying to get answers. (2) HERE'S WHY IT TIES INTO MARV, AND THIS IS WEAKER FOR ANYONE WHO ISN'T ME Blah blah we played a game, he was scum, I was town. At one point in the game, I got this weird feeling about marv based on the questions he was asking. Didn't think they were townie questions. That read passed, I became townie on marv, and then MARV WON AS THE LAST REMAINING SCUM BECAUSE I LYNCHED NOT-MARV. In this game, I said toad was town for the brainz thing. Marv responded about that, he read the comment, processed it, blah blah. + Show Spoiler + On January 25 2014 21:49 marvellosity wrote: The only thing I find weird from Wave today. Weird way of kinda admitting that his reasons for finding VE town are wonky? Meh. Agree with gonzaw though, his filter is remarkable today, can not lynch Worryingly the two other posts I noted down because I agreed with them were from austin This isn't to dig at Wave, this is more to comment on VE. More in a sec austin much better when not wifflewaffling about stupid stuff and actually talking about stuff to do with alignments. Really at the moment it's something like: gonzaw/marv/austin/prome - very sexually attractive wave - becoming increasingly sexually attractive by sheer dint of effort and activity apart from anything else, cba to talk at length because no reason kita - also becoming increasingly attractive, to a lesser extent. I went back to read his large vote analysis post because at the time I wasn't convinced why for whatever reason. It looks better the 2nd time round. People have kinda taken the piss out of his combinatrics, but he seems to be trying to eliminate unlikely teams within that post, which in turn eliminates possible mislynches if he's mafia. I would like you to answer kita (because it wasn't abundantly clear to me) how you've arrived at Prome as "town". In your analyis post it seemed like you were basically coming around to the idea that Prome wasn't mafia anymore, but without being particularly firm about it as far as I could tell. Did your vote analysis + other people's comments firm up your town read on Prome? Or what? Foolishness case also quite compelling, didn't read too forced, made some sense, so... foolish - was kinda sexually attractive, now in fear of beer goggles. I keep reading his filter because people keep talking about him, and I keep understanding what people are saying, but all his posts now read so natural and not-bad to me :/ I'm shit-scared that i'm wrong but meeeeeh. i'm good enough and, frankly, i have the most recent game experience (last year or two) with foolish out of anyone here. for whatever reason gonzaw is the person i'm most likely to listen to on gonzaw because he seems to approach his alignment in a similar way to me. and gonzaw is starting to think he's scummy... bleh toad - quite ugly. Honestly I'm not understanding any of the rationale put forth by austin on why the slot is particularly townie. Don't get the Holyflare "brainz" thing. I understand to a more limited extent Prome's point on D1 that Holy couldn't be "that terrible" with something he posted if he were scummy, but still meh. I also cannot get over the idea of someone reading through a thread and missing out someone's posts, even as an aid to "save time" because ultimately it doesn't save much time at the time, it doesn't save time in the long run, and it makes other people's posts harder to understand. I can't imagine doing it myself. The case on Wave is weak and again I do not understand austin's rationale of "it's weak in a townie way". No, it's just weak. He's one of my two mafia currently. would kill VE - also quite ugly. I'm so over the woe is me routine. He came back to the thread posting yesterday and I was all like "yay, maybe he's town!" but then he kinda just wandered around listlessly and bitched at stuff. This feels like one of those times someone is being allowed to slip under the radar while people distract themselves with more shiny things. Remember how suspicious people were of VE right post-flip? And yet somehow now, there's nothing... what's warranted this, actually? Nothing... The one thing I'm basically worried is happening with the way things have been going is that Foolish = town, and he's right that lynching into that list would actually win the game for town. So... there has to be a push by mafia (if that would win the game) to lynch outside of that list, and Foolish is the target. In particular this makes me quite paranoid of kita. Nonetheless I think we should go for the best of both worlds and find the MOST suspicious people from Fool's list and lynch them and worry about things if we haven't won by then. In other words, VE/Toad mafia, let's kill them. oh PS, there's also a non-zero chance I won't be around for deadline today, social thingies. Fair warning too , bloop - On January 27 2014 08:02 marvellosity wrote: austin, you know that brainz thing is a big load of bullshit, right? Here is why MARV IS MAFIA. This question goes NOWHERE. He knows, you know, anyone who has read recent games of mine KNOWS that I don't think my read on toad is a load of bullshit. Not only have I made reads like this multiple times, I defend them every time, and also THEY SEEM TO BE RIGHT MOST/ALL OF THE DANG TIME (exception is Aperture 2 the small version where I was mafia). So he KNOWS the answer to this question is "I don't think it's a load of bullshit." Marv is, for no reason, asking me a question that he knows the answer to. He's not really interested in my read on toad, he just wants to poop on it from space. My answer doesn't matter. My answer to this question doesn't make me townie, scummy, anything. Whether I believe in my read has nothing to do with my alignment. This is just a throwaway question that means NOTHING. It goes nowhere, he knows the answer, and the only purpose it can serve is just to slightly discredit me, remind the thread that I have an odd read. That post, that question, hit me in the same way as his questions in our earlier game did. I've been mildly suspicious of him for most of this game, but the moment he asked that question my read flipped. He got much more likelier scum TO ME, because there's no reason for him to write that question except to slightly discredit me. And he doesn't even focus on doing that, painting me as scummy, blah blah. Just this little side comment. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:09 austinmcc wrote: ? As far as what I think about the toad slot? NUMBER ONE THOUGHT - HE'S TOWN SO I DON'T CARE NUMBER TWO THOUGHT - His response to me asking what he found scummy about marv is VERY townie to me. Why? The final scum NEEDS a mislynch. He NKs someone, he needs a mislynch between the remaining two. The final scum needs to be painting people as scummy, and CONVINCINGLY so. All he has to do is convince Guy A that Guy B is scum, at least more than Guy B can convince Guy A that final scum is scum. Toad, when asked what mafia agenda (i hated using agendas and I'm using agenda as plural here) marv has pushed, doesn't make anything up. He doesn't go FIND places where marv has encouraged votes on townies, taken mafia stances, whatever whatever. He doesn't make any attempt to bolster a case against marv. He just says marv has been pushing him and THAT is a scummy agenda. I find toad town. If he's mafia, he just has to keep me convinced you or marv is mafia. And he put ZERO effort into painting marv as mafia. That is, to me, the opposite of what mafia would have responded to that question with. If he were mafia, he had a chance to make his endgame SLIGHTLY easier, and he utterly failed to take it in a dismissive way. NUMBER THREE THOUGHT - HOLY CRAP HOW DOES HE NOT KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE LEFT IN THE GAME WE ARE 1 DAY FROM ENDGAME AND HE'S JUST...BARELY FOLLOWING ALONG? HOW CAN THIS BE? NUMBER FOUR THOUGHT - As mentioned before, the times I've seen scum toad, he's gotten himself caught EARLY, because he does silly things or he's too outspoken. The scumToad that I know LOVES to cause chaos, be very visible, essentially sac himself to fuck with the thread. In Chrono Trigger he was very visible early. In Pokemon PTP he was apparently visible early, I replaced into the game after he'd already died, but he was a D1 or D2 death iirc. Toad here is NOT causing chaos. He's doing...very little. And he's not the last guy left. Up until recently, toad was more suspicious than prome. If THEY are a mafia team together, I would except mafia Toad to be unable to resist the desire to just fuck with the thread, cause chaos, and try to set prome up. It's not like everyone isn't slightly suspicious of everyone in this game, it would have taken very little work to just push everyone and everything. But instead, he's just passive and often a non-factor. That's not the scumtoad I know. waitwaitwait. PTP Pokemon was special. I was mafia, I was looking super townie despite the fact that I claimed mafia in thread, a townie vigged another townie, some other townie who thought the vig-townie was mafia redirected his shot at random (!!!!!!) and it ended up shooting me in the face. Team mafia had 2 bulletproof people and a medic, I requested to not be medic'ed because I was looking smug, and on top of that I end up eating that 1/24 or whatever it was to have it redirected at me and multiply that with the chance of it being a vig in the first place and you end up with the worst 1-ouf-of-a-1000 chance to get killed as GF n1 death in the history of mafia. I still cringe everytime I think about it... thanks for reminding me. But I like the rest. I really find it hard to motivate myself right now, like WoS said. Honestly speaking, I think it'd be a bad idea to move onto the next target because it could give oppertunity to some bullshit and we need all 3 votes on the same guy right now and I don't want people to start talking about "well but I think lynching Marv before prome might be better". So I do end up rereading some, remind myself to not post about stuff that isn't prome-related in the thread and lose motivation because I might as well just do it later on... sorry I guess Going to be now, see you tomorrow. I'll see if I can get something done by then. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:15 WaveofShadow wrote: It tied in with something else about marv's alignment, and that was a general question mark over his D1 scumreads/voting, and why he swapped to Sandroba right at the end.So this has nothing to do with marv's alignment then? Did it have something to do with his alignment at some point? Marv sure seems to think the argument has a thread-relevant point beyond being a stupid fight. I don't think marv is 100% mafia because he voted to "test Foolishness" and then says you should always vote your strongest scumread. I think it's a very very very minor point, and it's connected to marv's general end of D1. It more reminded me of that, I used the term "set me off," because I had issues with Marv's voting/reads towards the end of D1, and now he's saying always strongest scumread. It was a bridge to the point. So for the MOST part, nope, it's not an alignment thing. It was tangential to one. It's about me being pedantic. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I can look back over Toad's games, but based on his play THIS GAME, I think HF was town. I'm fine with Toad's play this game. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
But....since some of the early comments on Prome seem to have gotten lost in the aether, Foolishness has a whole bit on why HE thinks toad is town, and also Foolishness didn't flip mafia. Maybe it does something for people, maybe it doesn't, but you can trust that post more now than you could when you thought Foolishness was mafia. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:37 austinmcc wrote: I was already fully decided on Toad so I didn't care much about Foolishness's post on Toad. But....since some of the early comments on Prome seem to have gotten lost in the aether, Foolishness has a whole bit on why HE thinks toad is town, and also Foolishness didn't flip mafia. Maybe it does something for people, maybe it doesn't, but you can trust that post more now than you could when you thought Foolishness was mafia. lol austin your reads are cray cray, you're going to have to teach me how to explain retarded reads so when I make them people don't think I'm scum for it. As far as marv pooping on you from space, I remember agreeing with him at the time too about the 'brainz' thing, but I suppose you have a small point regarding the timing and the fact that marv sort of dropped it at an odd time. I don't really value that as a scumtell nearly as much as you do though, because I feel that's just a sort of a 'marvy' thing to do when he thinks something is dumb and he's re-reading parts of the thread. You can keep your reads though. Have fun with them. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I know me going "it reminded me of this other feeling i had this one time" is not a good basis to convince anyone of marv. But I don't think my thoughts on Toad are ridiculous, except maybe the final bit on brainz, but I find that shorthand to refer to the whole thing. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 31 2014 12:02 austinmcc wrote: Does the genesis of my townread on Toad make...more sense? I know me going "it reminded me of this other feeling i had this one time" is not a good basis to convince anyone of marv. But I don't think my thoughts on Toad are ridiculous, except maybe the final bit on brainz, but I find that shorthand to refer to the whole thing. I didn't have as much of a problem with your Toadread as marv did, so let him respond to you. I'm decently okay with it for now, but again, in the middle of massive re-read so if I have more questions for you that go back on anything I've said, don't be surprised. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On January 31 2014 11:59 WaveofShadow wrote: lol austin your reads are cray cray, you're going to have to teach me how to explain retarded reads so when I make them people don't think I'm scum for it. As far as marv pooping on you from space, I remember agreeing with him at the time too about the 'brainz' thing, but I suppose you have a small point regarding the timing and the fact that marv sort of dropped it at an odd time. I don't really value that as a scumtell nearly as much as you do though, because I feel that's just a sort of a 'marvy' thing to do when he thinks something is dumb and he's re-reading parts of the thread. You can keep your reads though. Have fun with them. Highlighted the important bits. Don't even know if it was a re-read or just something I was thinking about. Doesn't much matter. On January 31 2014 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't have as much of a problem with your Toadread as marv did, so let him respond to you. I'm decently okay with it for now, but again, in the middle of massive re-read so if I have more questions for you that go back on anything I've said, don't be surprised. No, no. It's not helping my state of mind - arguing with austin is like arguing with my cat. She *will* get chicken no matter how much I tell her no. "Miaow" "No, you can't have chicken, I fed you earlier" "Miaow. miaow. miaow." "Seriously Rusty, you're just in the way." "Miaow. Miaow." "Just shut up will you?" "Miaow. Miaow. Miaow!" "I'm not giving you any you know" "Miaow! Miaow! Miaow! Miaow!" "look...." "Miaow! Miaow!" "Fine, have some fucking chicken. Jeez..." | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
##Vote: Promethelax | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
miaow | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
I just deleted a post I spent two hours writing about why Austin/marv are scum and WoS/Toad are town. I'm off to rewrite it. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
1. marv busses when he has to 2. marv pushes the easiest lynches things I know about marv 3. marv makes his team post a lot 4. marv tailors his scum play to the other players in the game marv has played this game as a scum. He has never stuck his neck out and has never been in the middle of pushing lynches. He allowed the town to push the lynch and never had a leading role in anything. Scummarv. marv bussed a weak and detrimental scummer d1 when there was last minute shennanies which marv HAS to participate in due to meta and Sand was going to be lynched. Marv would look awful if he wasn't on that lynch and on it early. marv has treated me in a way he doesn't treat me in our town games together, he has hard defended me and now that I am the only possible mislynch has begun to doubt his own reads. He has never read me incorrectly before and doing so now is a scumtell. His reads have not evolved on any player in this game he had Foolishness as 100% confirmed town and yet was happy to lynch him. My formatting and language aren't as nice in this post as they were in the first. Sorry. Reasons to lynch marv second out of Austin/marv: marv will be easier to lynch in 2v1 lylo. If I cannot convince town to lynch the other scum today I won't be able to do it next day so you might as well lynch me and lose the game. Better to not waste another full cycle patting yourselves on the back for having caught me as scum just to lynch me and lose three days from now. Basically if town cannot be convinced to kill Austin today they won't be convinced next day so why bother. Reasons Austin is scum: 1. my earlier case. It was right but when I realized that fool was not scum with Austin I dismissed the wrong player form my list of scumspects. I was too caught up in Fool's shitty case on me and my own anger towards him. Poor play on my part lead to me being part of a bad lynch. Town (and fool most of all) I'm sorry. 2. Austin is really really mad about how I correctly read WoS as town based on nothing. Correct reads for bad reasons incense mafia members because their jobs become harder when townies do correct dumb things. The scummer gets overly invested in that read though because they know it is a good read for a bad reason. 3. Austin has at no point shown why I am scum, he is pushing my lynch because it is easy to do but he does it with the words of dead townies. Foolishness and VE weren't playing well, otherwise we wouldn't have lynched them. So trusting thier reads on me is silly to the point of scummy. There has not been a single good case on me in the thread, nothing which has in any way shown that I have played this game in a way that I do not play as town. Because I am town and I have played this way. 4. I'm sick of losing to Austin's scum teams, can't we lynch him just once. Why Toad is town: I had a case on this earlier. It holds up. Why Wos is town: his amount of posting has been good, he posted some things about himself and VE which were at best suicidal as scum. They showed a really great insight into his mentality where he thought about being wrong that VE was town and hedged his bets to look less wrong in case VE flipped scum, it was clear he was no aware of VE's alignment before the flip. He cannot be scum and this is why. Sorry for the formatting, I'm too mad at myself for deleting the last one to do this one right. Austin: come at me bro ##Vote: austin | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
Are either of you around? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
He has never stuck his neck out and has never been in the middle of pushing lynches. He allowed the town to push the lynch and never had a leading role in anything. Fool day 3? Pretty neck-sticky-outy. His reads have not evolved on any player in this game he had Foolishness as 100% confirmed town and yet was happy to lynch him. Please find where i said Fool was 100% confirmed town? In fact Foolish is the perfect example of an evolving read this game. This is bullshittery. How would you characterise your play this game, Prome? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I think you'd have more luck trying to convince people though without point 3 - Foolishness and VE weren't playing well, otherwise we wouldn't have lynched them. So trusting thier reads on me is silly to the point of scummy. You say they weren't playing well, but VE got a lot of crap for calling you mafia, and for suggesting a prome/sandroba/foolishness scumteam. Looks like he was right on you, and apparently the whole game thought foolishness was scummy enough to lynch the very next day.Tbh, it looks like they were right, and the rest of us played a little poorly. | ||
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