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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:29 GMT
#2681
It's tough to pop while hiding
Fe fi fo fum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:29 GMT
#2682
On January 31 2014 10:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
I don't know man, the catchup posts seemed disingenuous, but I'm afraid I'm biased. Based on the posts I'm more willing to admit that I could be wrong about Prome, and yes the alternatives are looking better.

The thing about Prome is that there's no POP to his posts - when he's town, when he thinks he's found something suspicious something clicks and his confidence shoots up and you can see it in his posts. I didn't get that feeling when he was posting about you. But again, I'm not sure how much of it is my own bias speaking.

Foolishness/Sandroba/HolyFlare are three targets who are, in my opinion, well equipped to prove their worth D1 if they're town. That none of them has been able to do this is troubling to me.

Been checking through VE's filter for Prome thoughts. Possibly this is the strongest thing in there. I defended Prome on ego partly because I was totally convinced Fool was pushing for a mislynch, but this stuff nonetheless remains true. "there's no POP" is really an excellent description.

Gonna keep noting this because it keeps happening all game, but I really liked this point when he made it, and noted it as well. I think it may have also been a point in my original Prome case? I froget.
It's allllllll in my filter.

Also I am here now and reading and will be for the majority of the night if people have anything.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:30 GMT
#2683
Alright Wave, you're awesome. Happy? :p

Some of us are going back to relook for ourselves, now shoo.

Or talk to me about austin, up to you, i can't be up for much longer.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:31 GMT
#2684
On January 31 2014 10:29 austinmcc wrote:
It's tough to pop while hiding

It is, yet he has *enough* filter to be poppy in.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:31 GMT
#2685
So I post and magically 3 people appeared. How lovely
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:32 GMT
#2686
On January 31 2014 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
So I post and magically 3 people appeared. How lovely
Yup. You appear, so it's time for your hourly reminder

kita dun axed you a question
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:33 GMT
#2687
Reminding me makes no difference to anything, because i won't forget it, and you prodding me about it won't make me go look at it any faster
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:34 GMT
#2688
On January 31 2014 10:30 marvellosity wrote:
Alright Wave, you're awesome. Happy? :p

Some of us are going back to relook for ourselves, now shoo.

Or talk to me about austin, up to you, i can't be up for much longer.

Not awesome enough. And relooking is exarctly what I've been doing.
Alright let me go look at your post again.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:36 GMT
#2689
On January 31 2014 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
Reminding me makes no difference to anything, because i won't forget it, and you prodding me about it won't make me go look at it any faster
It makes a difference to Kita's memory. 9/Kita, NEVER FORGET.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:40 GMT
#2690
If I'm gonna post serious though, then the non-prome mafia needs to figure out who to paint as the final scum and who to leave alive at endgame.

The sooner you take stances, even if you're just gonna go back on em or whatever, about who pairs well and who doesn't, blah blah, the better imo. That's one reason I'm particularly interested.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:42 GMT
#2691
Sorry spam, but additional half-thought.

The remaining mafia also wants to wait as long as possible to take stances, so as to see where everyone else's heads are at (assuming us townies haven't been lying about our reads and ordering, mwahahahaha). So it ain't just about speed or responding or anything, it's about making up your mind, or posting some thoughts at least, before you can read everyone ELSE'S minds.
Fe fi fo fum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:47 GMT
#2692
On January 31 2014 00:20 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, talk to me a bit about how you've ordered your reads. Primarily I'm not quite getting how you've lumped austin into town and I'm outrageously lumped into the remaining suspicious pile. Have you reconciled yourself with the weird shit that austin has done this game?

His, imo, unreasonably strong townread on Toad/Holy based on almost nothing. His attack on Prome for a really weird reason that still no-one has agreed with, and yet for some reason he's particularly suspicious of me for not agreeing with it. The fact he's always come in super-late to push any lynch, on every single day so far. His 100% absurd attack on me for when I said "vote your strongest read" when in context it was fucking obvious I was talking about day 3. I clarified and he continued the attack on the same basis. It's totally absurd that he's really trying to catch me out for being "hypocritical" for day 1 reads and voting compared to day 3 actions.

Anyways, tell me what you're seeing that makes you confident in his alignment, plox.

I'm not 100% confident.
Can you give short outlines of the stuff you're talking about here when you outline the problems with austin?
There are things that wig me out about him, but there's things that wig me out about everyone this game, if you haven't noticed. VE and Foolishness obviously included and I came to differing conclusions about them based on the feels they gave me throughout the game. (If Foolishness had shown up earlier and done what he did at deadline I think I would have switched tbh, but that doesn't matter).

On January 31 2014 00:23 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
I just don't fully buy marv's suspicions and his vote swapping on D1 at the deadline and marv making a comment about voting your strongest scum suspect triggers me poking around that. It's not 1:1, with "but foolishness was your strongest suspect and yet you voted sandroba." That's not valid. But i think that marv's D1 is wonky and his strongest suspect comment set me off.

This is nonsensical.

I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand


His defenses of the other weird shit he's done (like having me as town AND scum based on D1) here:
On January 29 2014 11:18 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 11:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:55 austinmcc wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:47 austinmcc wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 29 2014 10:38 austinmcc wrote:
Anyway, WoS, lemme know if looking at that post as an answer to the question "Can someone tell me why WoS isn't town" makes more sense. I viewed it as a fun exercise to give the reasons you were mafia, in the same vein as my asking you what you would have smacked your forehead over if Gonzaw flipped mafia.

Apart from that, interested to hear from prome about all the later-in-the-day happenings.

So....you're trying to play it off as a semi-joke post or an 'exercise' not rooted in reality?
Because you seemed pretty serious about thinking I was scum to me.
Read the question I'm responding to with THAT POST.

If the whole rest of the day gives you trouble, that's a different issue.

But if THAT POST is particularly egregious, that post is in response to a question that says, "I don't see it, someone tell me how WoS could be mafia." When responding to that, I'm going to post why you might be mafia.

Did you or did you not think I was scum for a portion of that day?
Thought there was a pretty good chance?

That day, I would have put you above prome, gonzaw, kita, toad, myself. Lower than VE. PROBABLY higher than marv, he hadn't gone full suspicious for me yet. You were with Foolishness as possible second mafia.

But honestly I wasn't too concerned about your alignment that day. My main concern about you was how people were referring to your activity, not your own alignment.

As second place scum you should be concerned about me. Everybody else was concerned about the entire scumteam.
Do you understand why this looks so dodgy to me? You are making excuses and trying to pass your scumread off as 'not really a legit read because it doesn't matter but maybe I would have lynched you.'
Yeah, I understand completely.

That's why I'm actually explaining and not going "LOL WRONG" or "I changed my mind" or whatever. I think you have a legitimate point. I can give you SOME of the reasons, especially to that single post. I think if you look at my posting from that day as a whole, i DON'T have you as townie, but I certainly don't have you there with VE. MOST of the statements I make regarding your scumminess should be concern for other people being overly townie on you, which causes me to swing the other way, or be skeptical. I don't believe, however, that I freely post about why you're mafia or why you're super likely mafia, or whatever.

But yeah, it's perfectly fine if you're concerned. I'm also not super worried, because I don't think that I'm the lynch tomorrow under any normal circumstances, and i THINK that if things are falling into place for us and we lynch scum, you will be concerned with my play, confused with my play, but think that I have to be townie. I don't care if you question me or are worried by me, only that you give prome a real loo. Giving prome/marv a real look as a duo would be sexy as well, as giving OTHER people a real look would be further sexy.

actually remind me a great deal of the kind of posting YOU do to as town alleviate my suspicions of you in other games. Which notably, you haven't done in this game.

I'm not gonna lie, some of the stuff on town Austin right now is simply feels. And considering how this game has gone, I don't mind going on feels right now.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:50 GMT
#2693
On January 31 2014 10:40 austinmcc wrote:
If I'm gonna post serious though, then the non-prome mafia needs to figure out who to paint as the final scum and who to leave alive at endgame.

The sooner you take stances, even if you're just gonna go back on em or whatever, about who pairs well and who doesn't, blah blah, the better imo. That's one reason I'm particularly interested.

And this is what I've been considering all day.
The final part to my earlier 'bad' question marv, is the fact that ultimately I will be the decider in this game; I've been saying it for a while.
There's not a whole lot of convincing I have left to do here for today as I'm pretty sure today's lynch is set in stone right now, and tomorrow it will be me and two people who are voting for each other. As such there really isn't much reason for me to start posting my reads and thoughts because nobody needs to be convinced of MY alignment, and nobody is going to change their minds based on what I say. The re-read of which I am currently in the middle is to get my own head straight, and to fuel the questions that may or may not need to be answered by the remaining members of this game.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 31 2014 01:50 GMT
#2694
(He also was poking at sandroba D1, and sandroba responded to his posts, so either we were setting up action (against...prome?) or we can't talk in a QT. He was also willing to vote prome or sandroba D1, did not want to vote foolishness even when foolishness was seriously up for lynch)

(He also didn't drop that point. Marv's statement was that you vote the scummiest candidate, PERIOD. Not that you do so on D3, not that you do so sometimes, but that you do this, PERIOD. I think the D3 vs D1 stuff is as nonsensical as he thinks I'm being. If you believe you always vote the scummiest candidate, the day doesn't matter. If the day matters, then you don't actually believe you always vote the scummiest candidate)
Fe fi fo fum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:51 GMT
#2695
On January 31 2014 10:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand

I basically found it suspicious because it seemed so obvious what I was talking about, and it shouldn't have to require me shouting the really obvious context at him to make him stop going down that path. Apparently if you empathised and understood at the time, then it wasn't quite correct for me to find it that off. Ok.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:54 GMT
#2696
On January 31 2014 10:50 austinmcc wrote:
(He also was poking at sandroba D1, and sandroba responded to his posts, so either we were setting up action (against...prome?) or we can't talk in a QT. He was also willing to vote prome or sandroba D1, did not want to vote foolishness even when foolishness was seriously up for lynch)

(He also didn't drop that point. Marv's statement was that you vote the scummiest candidate, PERIOD. Not that you do so on D3, not that you do so sometimes, but that you do this, PERIOD. I think the D3 vs D1 stuff is as nonsensical as he thinks I'm being. If you believe you always vote the scummiest candidate, the day doesn't matter. If the day matters, then you don't actually believe you always vote the scummiest candidate)

Well if you haven't dropped it, you should because that comment is not a scum-marv comment. As town I would totally randomly switch on shenannies if I felt enough like it was townie-led and I didn't know what I was doing D1---though maybe that's BECAUSE I don't usually know what to do D1...? Like, I get the point but I don't think it's a strong one.

And austin don't bracket-put words in my mouth. I don't need to look for extra reasons to figure out your alignment to prove to anyone else.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:54 GMT
#2697
Well don't do anything superdumb like not post definitively in resolution period (assuming we get that far trololol etc), because, ya know, it's not unlikely you'll be shot, methinks.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:54 GMT
#2698
On January 31 2014 10:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2014 10:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
I actually understood to some degree what austin was getting at at the time to be honest. I also don't find the line of thought scummy in any way, really. He dropped when you explained it the best, here.
On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1

Are you being purposefully obtuse?

You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand

I basically found it suspicious because it seemed so obvious what I was talking about, and it shouldn't have to require me shouting the really obvious context at him to make him stop going down that path. Apparently if you empathised and understood at the time, then it wasn't quite correct for me to find it that off. Ok.

Is there anything else?
Do you think the final scumteam is austin and prome?
Is Toad involved?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
January 31 2014 01:56 GMT
#2699
On January 31 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
Well don't do anything superdumb like not post definitively in resolution period (assuming we get that far trololol etc), because, ya know, it's not unlikely you'll be shot, methinks.

If Prome is on the scumteam I likely won't be shot.
If you're on the scumteam I DEFINITELY won't be shot.
If you're NOT on the scumteam I think it would be incredibly dumb to shoot me above you were I scum, but hey that's just me.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 31 2014 01:57 GMT
#2700
how do you see austin's posting on the holy/toad slot this game Wave?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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