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WaveofShadow
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On January 29 2014 21:10 Promethelax wrote: Two scenerios 1. Scummarv -you know based on me not being your buddy in your role pm 2. Townmarv -you know because you know me and my play and I'm clearly town this game Either way you know. Which is fun because either you are town and will defend me from a lynch or you are scum and you have to pretend to defend me from a lynch because you know town you would. You overestimate either me, yourself, or you misunderstand the state of the game, if you think I have reason to be confident of your alignment right now my friend. And I don't like that you're pushing this at me. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On January 29 2014 19:28 marvellosity wrote: Hey kita, thanks for coming and dropping your vote in at the end and not having to take any responsibility, that's real swell of you. Are you trying to infer something here? | ||
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kitaman27
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marvellosity
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DarthPunk
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On January 29 2014 23:53 marvellosity wrote: kangaroo  | ||
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austinmcc
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
So in case I die, keep on lynching Prome. Make sure you talk this WoS/austin bullshit out and clear that. I don't want you two in lylo if there's still this shit going on so better start clearing things early on. If you get yourself paranoid and do some crazy bullshit I'm going to be mighty mad. That's it from me for now | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 20:35 marvellosity wrote: Not well. It just hasn't tickled my fancy. Probably the same reason as the lack of joviality? I think a combination of being pretty much unlynchable (and properly read) after the sandroba lynch + lynching scum D1 + the player list left me just uninterested in the game until that back half of D3.Yeah... just... mm. Can you explain why at all austin? This is more so it's here for me to muse on when I feel like it at some point. Easier to do mechanical work when your mojo is slightly deflated :p I do think that part of the back half of D3 looked much more like myself. As far as some of what you specifically were noticing, my read on you super changed with the brainz comment. You remember how I mentioned in the invader zim game that, at some point in the game, I just had that feeling you were scum because of the questions you were asking? The brainz comment set off that same warning. I hadn't looked hard at you yet, just had the low level minor suspicions about stuff, but that comment changed things and I interacted with you, instead of playing the "oh ha ha, marv disagrees about something ELSE" game, I played the "oh, marv is scum this game, why is he disagreeing with this and what is he hiding" game. Won't feel like the normal banter. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 20:28 Promethelax wrote: I'm interested in you actually saying what this means, specifically.We lynch austin tomorrow. This is not even a debate. He had a scummy switch to sand d1 he has played under the radar. He was the only vote not on foolishness d3. Austin's behaviour has been scummy the only reason he wasn't scum is that he and fool were not scum together. I'm ALSO interested in your thoughts on toad, given these posts: On January 29 2014 02:50 kitaman27 wrote: I don't see it as a flip/flop. I have no doubt that Foolishness spent a huge amount of time on those posts. If you don't find yourself wanting to believe he is town to some degree, then something is wrong. Things don't need to need to be black and white, so if Toad finds something suspicious about you, but feels the overall case against Foolishness is stronger, then I'm not as concerned. Are you looking at toad and wondering: "whoa he sure looks confident about me being mafia based on that point he made. Why is he voting Foolishness?" On January 29 2014 02:54 Promethelax wrote: You had a bunch of votes critical of toad. ONE of the things you disliked, is that he seemed to find Foolishness AND yourself scummy, even though you were both each other's targets, and probably not both scum.Essentially yes. He seems more confidant about me being scum than he seems based on his case/vote. I don't see his work today being an attempt to discern my alignment, instead he called me scummy and voted my target who he said was also scummy but I had posted bad posts and Fool had posted good posts. I don't follow. Toad continued to waffle during D3, wondering whether he should switch, etc. At the end of D3, you knew that Foolishness was town. Which meant that toad was scummy on two people who appeared mutually exclusive, but voted the townie dude and kept you alive. if YOU actually think you're townie, you think toad was just sitting back yesterday looking between two townies, and not really trying to differentiate the two, happy to call them both scummy. But I am the super mega awesome lynch for tomorrow? Why no comments on toad? Does he look worse now to you? (Rest of the thread I'm only interested in prome's answer as to what he saw and why he's targeting me over a dude he seems to have been scummy on) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 20:55 Promethelax wrote: I'm also interested in this!I did. His and marv's were both scummy. Sand is a detriment to his team. When he is up against two townies in me and foolishness you need to make sure you look good from his flip because it will come d1 or d2. So quick switching around deadline when I had clearly had foolish as more scummy and Hapa wasn't present was an easy way to do that. Scum expected not to get sand lynched d1 but to look good from having voted him but Hapa and I went over in the last two minutes and scum could not change their votes, they were stuck on sand. The middle votes were scummy. On top of that the scum shots have all been into the group of players who voted sand to reinforce the idea that everyone on that vote was town. Shooting outside of it would have been fine to eliminate players like Kita who had no suspicion on him and is a better analyst than Gonzaw. But they needed the idea of fool's to take hold. Just marv and mine? Hapa's vote not, your vote not? Marv's vote is scummy but marv isn't scummy, despite multiple people saying that marv feels off? You find marv townie this game and are confident in his alignment? You also think scum, in a game with town foolishness, and what you're saying is town marv (i think), and a bunch of other strong townies, used NKs not on active players, not on players who had correct reads, but...on players who voted scum D1 so as to reinforce that the D1 lynch was on scum? Like...you're suggesting that scum says "Good job team! We killed sandroba D1, now nobody will suspect us!" And then, instead of just playing NORMAL GAMES, after lynching scum D1, they decided that nobody would ACTUALLY believe in the lynch UNLESS they started flipping townies on the lynch. Can you point us to a single solitary game in which scum got lynched D1 and the voters got NO cred whatsoever? Can you point us to a single solitary game in which scum got lynched D1 by scum when there was no need to, and the rest of the thread went "Oh man, those guys who lynched scum sure look scummy, we better not trust them AT ALL"? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
If anything considering how terrified I know people were of rolling scum in this game because of how stacked the playerlist was, I would argue this game was the PERFECT game for unorthodox scumplays. I'm also pretty sure I've said allllll of this before. | ||
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WaveofShadow
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote: It's a great game for playing wonky scum.There's always a first time, austin. If anything considering how terrified I know people were of rolling scum in this game because of how stacked the playerlist was, I would argue this game was the PERFECT game for unorthodox scumplays. I'm also pretty sure I've said allllll of this before. But, to me, he's not pushing the idea that scum just played weird/unorthodox. He's giving a specific reason for their targeting of NKs. And that reason is "there was scum on the sandroba lynch, and mafia is killing the townies on the sandroba lynch to make it look like it was all town." To which I say: (1) One guy on the lynch flipping town doesn't make the others look more town. They're town/scum based on their own play and filters, not the alignment of someone ELSE who voted the same target. (2) I think people who lynch scum get town cred for LYNCHING SCUM. The moment sandroba is lynched, look at thread, the people on his lynch were "untouchable", etc. It wasn't "well let's wait and see if 2-3 of these guys flip town, and only THEN can we trust the sandroba lynch was townie." It's NEVER like that. I think his comment doesn't say "i think scum is playing unorthodox," because a D1 bus would be somewhat unorthodox. I think that I'm having problems with the fact that he's ... saying scum played a certain way in order to manipulate town's opinion, when (a) town would already have the opinion they want without any further manipulation and (b) the manipulation wouldn't actually change the opinion he's talking about. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 30 2014 02:12 austinmcc wrote: It's a great game for playing wonky scum. But, to me, he's not pushing the idea that scum just played weird/unorthodox. He's giving a specific reason for their targeting of NKs. And that reason is "there was scum on the sandroba lynch, and mafia is killing the townies on the sandroba lynch to make it look like it was all town." To which I say: (1) One guy on the lynch flipping town doesn't make the others look more town. They're town/scum based on their own play and filters, not the alignment of someone ELSE who voted the same target. (2) I think people who lynch scum get town cred for LYNCHING SCUM. The moment sandroba is lynched, look at thread, the people on his lynch were "untouchable", etc. It wasn't "well let's wait and see if 2-3 of these guys flip town, and only THEN can we trust the sandroba lynch was townie." It's NEVER like that. I think his comment doesn't say "i think scum is playing unorthodox," because a D1 bus would be somewhat unorthodox. I think that I'm having problems with the fact that he's ... saying scum played a certain way in order to manipulate town's opinion, when (a) town would already have the opinion they want without any further manipulation and (b) the manipulation wouldn't actually change the opinion he's talking about. This is a fantastic post, actually. Will look into later along w/everything else. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
(or the fact that yesterday, prome posts a whole big case on me, except he doesn't actually care about my alignment, only whether or not i'm scum with foolishness. Prome ends up reading my filter and concluding nothing about my alignment itself, only that I'm not scum with foolishness. Then he posts stuff like: On January 28 2014 23:44 Promethelax wrote: Except he was also super tunneled and seemingly sure that foolishness was scum. And again, he still hasn't actually come to a real conclusion about me, just that I'm not scum with foolishness, which is actually not an alignment)I'm not necessarily discounting Austin as scum but I am discounting austin/fool as scum together. (or the fact that after reading my filter, he doesn't remember that I posted a bunch of posts on why people saying WoS was town for "activity" alone could be mafia and I didn't like it, doesn't see why those posts are relevant to himself for saying WoS town for activity) (or the fact that he doesn't appear to know his own filter, because I challenge you to find some solid reasons for his change on WoS from being scum to being town On January 29 2014 00:38 Promethelax wrote: You sure you've been reading this cycle? I spelled out my reasons for not finding WoS scummy earlier. ) | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Snippets from the case: I see this as being a scum player trying to change his day1 town play for something else and excusing it in the thread unnecessarily. This post so gloriously misunderstands what I said that it cannot come from town. Austin fluffs hard for a while d1 when Fool and Sand are being brought up a lot. He spends most of day one talking about how I am scum and about random fluff like marv's love of tentacles. One of those things is productive, the other is a lot of effort put into looking casual. You can have issues with the case, but not because he wasn't looking individually at you or your alignment, that's wrong. One interesting thing about the case is that he goes from This is just a side note but if Fool is scum this post is scum as shit. It is very directly trying to remove discussion from Fool. I can hear the chainsaw revving in the background. to This seems to point against a fool/sand/austin team. I don't see fool (a not bad player) lumping his two scum budddies together in this way. This is simply not how a scum refers to all of their team during d1 when two scum players are under suspicion. I'm quite curious to hear how you view the 2 quotes as a thought process or whatever, austin. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote: Shhhhhh. You'll scare the prome. We're over here hiding in the bushes, you can't go scampering around in the serengeti just yet.no, that's not how the case read to me. Did you go back and read it? He basically called off the case at the end of it because he (weirdly) decided you couldn't be scum with Foolish. Snippets from the case: You can have issues with the case, but not because he wasn't looking individually at you or your alignment, that's wrong. One interesting thing about the case is that he goes from to I'm quite curious to hear how you view the 2 quotes as a thought process or whatever, austin. We're gonna get him thread with all sorts of other questions, like who in the world the two scum are, why me today instead of other scumreads of his who then voted town yesterday, etc. etc. Then we're gonna get specific about the idea of me bussing, because I believe I was the first to ask Foolishness about his sandroba read in his first reads post, and I called out Sandroba on the prome PYP: LoL comparison before prome did. But as far as those two quotes go, I would say that prome is pulling a portion of his reads from his butt, and has been perfectly happy all game to say that two people doing the same single thing are of different alignment for no reason/little reason. | ||
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