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On January 30 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:no, that's not how the case read to me. Did you go back and read it? He basically called off the case at the end of it because he (weirdly) decided you couldn't be scum with Foolish. Snippets from the case: Show nested quote +I see this as being a scum player trying to change his day1 town play for something else and excusing it in the thread unnecessarily. Show nested quote +This post so gloriously misunderstands what I said that it cannot come from town. Show nested quote +Austin fluffs hard for a while d1 when Fool and Sand are being brought up a lot. He spends most of day one talking about how I am scum and about random fluff like marv's love of tentacles. One of those things is productive, the other is a lot of effort put into looking casual. You can have issues with the case, but not because he wasn't looking individually at you or your alignment, that's wrong. One interesting thing about the case is that he goes from Show nested quote +This is just a side note but if Fool is scum this post is scum as shit. It is very directly trying to remove discussion from Fool. I can hear the chainsaw revving in the background. to Show nested quote +This seems to point against a fool/sand/austin team. I don't see fool (a not bad player) lumping his two scum budddies together in this way. This is simply not how a scum refers to all of their team during d1 when two scum players are under suspicion. I'm quite curious to hear how you view the 2 quotes as a thought process or whatever, austin. Except that his overall conclusion is "austinmcc cannot be scum with foolishness"
Not that I'm SUPER SCUMMY, so he needs to look at Foolishness again, because I've got to be scum.
If he finds a bunch of SCUMMY stuff in my filter, and he finds that foolishness and I can't be scum together, then the conclusion is not "austinmcc can't be scum with foolishness."
It's "austin looks REALLY scummy, but foolishness looks more scummy because of _______, and I don't think they're scum together, so austin must be town despite looking scummy?" or it's "Foolishness looks scummy, but austin can't be scum with foolishness, and austin looks REALLY SCUMMY, so I need to reassess foolishness, maybe see if thread wants to lynch austinmcc instead"
There may be lines that say I do scummy stuff, but if his conclusion is that we can't be scum together and he's voting foolishness and sure on foolishness, he HAS to be grudgingly concluding that I'm town, or that he's wrong on foolishness.
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You know, if VE caught Prome D1 with that business....
Its a real shame I know where the NK is going. Not that it makes a big difference either way, I should be able to push through what I want tomorrow but the question is what DO I want?
Marv, what do I want?
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On Austinber 42 2002 11:11 Promethelax wrote:
I need to work on my scumgame. Every time I play scum, I start my first post with "Okay broskis, this is just silly." I can't help it. On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.
Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.
It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.
I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.
And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.
Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.
So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why. ![[image loading]](https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSFyisBVmb3WWihmHILRqDwM2sASGCZ7deJHG4bIOgrXmUbU4C9Lg)
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i tried really hard to find a good cartoon charles barkley with a giant head dunking, figured that had to be on the internet somewhere due to NBA jam and charles barkley love.
but no.
I tried to make one in paint, but there's not a good cartoon head that fits. So this is all you get
p.s. google image searching assorted terms with charles barkley and dunk leads to good things
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austin stop trying to make up for not being trolly earlier.
Not only does this not help, but it looks shitty because everyone else pointed it out.
+ Show Spoiler +Unless you actually make me laugh with something.
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On January 30 2014 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:austin stop trying to make up for not being trolly earlier. Not only does this not help, but it looks shitty because everyone else pointed it out. + Show Spoiler +Unless you actually make me laugh with something. You should have laughed at that.
Also, can't help it.
I got interested yesterday. I'm now EXTRA interested.
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kitaman27
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Re: sandroba's vote on Prom day one.
The biggest reason that I was hesitant on my suspicion of Prom after pushing him on day one was the 3-3 vote by sandroba. I saw marv mention that sandroba wasn't a player that likes to bus and I kinda assumed it was true as I didn't spend the time to verify this was true. I spent time looking at how sandroba addresses scum buddies at the beginning of the game with the "@" symbol and didn't come to any conclusions, but I never looked at his early game voting record. I'm pretty upset with myself considering what I have found:
On January 21 2012 13:56 sandroba wrote:
Fucking hell I had no time to post properly sorry guys =(
On January 17 2012 11:08 sandroba wrote:
Also L I recognize that type of play from last game. Who the fuck you think is scum? Nice blabbering and walls of nothing. I'd be up for a L lynch aswel.
On January 18 2012 03:27 sandroba wrote:
Still I feel way more confident lynching GGQ or L. Double lynch needs at least 9 more votes to go through and I'd really like to get at least one red killed today.
sandroba and L are scum buddies this game.
On October 21 2011 08:02 sandroba wrote:
##Vote: sinani206
Provides no case, but votes for his scum buddy sinani.
On July 04 2011 01:22 sandroba wrote:
Seriously though, we should lynch a townie today.
##Unvote
##Vote: Fishball
On July 04 2011 16:34 sandroba wrote:
My assumpstion was that people would change their vote due to the quick bandwagon on fishball. Unfortunatelly that's not how it turned out. I had to take a huge risk to have any possibility of winning this =P
Scum buddies with Fishball in a 2 player game. Votes him on day one without much of a case and shows he is willing to take risks early.
On March 03 2012 06:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm not lurking, I just don't have the same amount of time that I used to have to play mafia and make big posts.
On March 03 2012 03:47 sandroba wrote:
Unvote
##Vote:TheToast
Day one vote against his scum buddy. No case, limited time from sandroba.
On June 30 2011 17:20 sandroba wrote:
What the hell, why are you guys voting fishball? The optimal plan is to hang RoL first, let fishball get another check or get shot by the mafia. Then, if he's still alive we hang him day3. Hanging fishball first is just dumb imo.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend
There is a dt check on RoL here, but votes are coming in on the dt instead, yet sandroba votes his buddy.
On December 19 2011 16:33 sandroba wrote:
So I tried to push annul half heatedly in a slightly scummy way to actually dissuade the people that thought I was scum from voting him, while not really convincing others that didn't find me scummy to vote him. I really had no option but to post very little and don't add much content to annul's case. Had I pushed it full strength I'm pretty sure he would have been lynched day 2 and my team didn't want that.
Look at sandroba's explanation for his day two bus on his scum buddy annul. This sounds incredibly similar to this game.
Not only is sandroba willing to bus early, he actually does it more often than not!
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(He replaced into paranoia, and his scumbuddy ShiaoPi was under heavy suspicion D2, but he also voted ShiaoPi there as scum. I didn't check other games  )
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I think that last quote in particular makes the strongest case.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
marv, do you think Prom + austin makes sense? Or is toad still the other?
austin, do you think think Prom + marv is the best pair, under that assumption that Prom flips mafia 100% of the time?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I'd prefer if you read a full filter read of the other player with the thought that "Prom is no doubt mafia" before replying.
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Jesus that last quote is spot fucking on, especially considering I (and maybe other people? VE? I forget) pointed out that Sandroba's case on Prome was so bad it was done so in that way on purpose.
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Kita you should have saved that for the resolution period.
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On January 30 2014 03:05 kitaman27 wrote:
marv, do you think Prom + austin makes sense? Or is toad still the other?
austin, do you think think Prom + marv is the best pair, under that assumption that Prom flips mafia 100% of the time? I still cut toad out entirely.
That leaves me prome / marv
prome /wos
prome / kita
prome sort of halfway on kita nuts for part of D1, N1. Also asks about abandoning combinatrics, and if he wants to distance self from kita I think he picks something REAL and scummy that kita has done, not "why did you give up on your nonsense that also might have been helpful?" He calls out a scumslip when kita refers to town doing something. It's not perfect, but given my current feelings about kita (not scum in his own right), I don't see a kita/prome team. Prome mentions kita plenty, changes a read on kita, but the interactions don't appear to be accomplishing anything.
I don't think we have the prome + wos/VE thingy on D1 if wos is mafia? There was a lot of interaction between prome/WoS, WoS being critical of prome going after VE instead of himself, and the subject of that bit was sandroba, and I don't THINK getting everyone lumped in together so early makes sense. He's got things in his filter that take me to frown town ---> positive reference of sandroba being active, odd VE town read, but on the whole, i personally lean towards thinking that prome doesn't jump on VE D1 for talking about sandroba when WoS has talked about sandroba the same way. It would be a BIG oversight on prome's part, I think, to accuse the townie of doing something when your scumbuddy has done the same thing, then to (imo) scummily make up a fake reason for what you just did, all while the subject of the conduct that received differential treatment was your THIRD and FINAL scumbuddy. I don't like that as a fit.
That takes me to marv as the likeliest, just based on those things? Some of the reason I like that pairing is marv's play this game, and specifically that one question, cause me to lean scum on him regardless of possible matchups. marv also ... covers a good bit for prome early? Prome is an arch-bullshitter (to VE), with ludicrous reasons but not scummy reasons. He has some misgivings about Prome's filter when chatting with VE, but doesn't find prome scummy. When asked what he thinks about prome treating VE/WoS differently by me, given choices of prome being silly/giving a false reason/having no reason, he goes with 3. Yet prome GAVE a reason. So essentially, marv thinks that prome had no reason, but manufactured the "curious question" reason, yet finds it not surprising at all, because prome has bad/weak/scummy starts to games. Again, prome is doing scummy stuff, but that is natural for town prome, sayeth the marv. (I can keep going and going, but a lot of my posts cover marv/prome yesterday, and also I'd rather let other people look for themselves because I keep typign like this and not giving a bunch of quotes and crap).
So yes. Right now I'm marv + prome > wos + prome > kita + prome.
(seriously read marv's filter, even just searching for prome. If you want to make the actions fit a narrative, scum sees prome a likely lynch, marv is working on foolishness trying to get him to lynch sandroba INSTEAD of prome, all while trying to discredit foolishness a little. Prome was scummy but likely town because he was scummy, then he was scummier by default for not posting, then come lynch time he's not a good lynch because of the people voting him, then he's town on balance because of buddying marv, with 9 minutes to go until lynch. lots of mind-changing without ever really saying much)
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(let alone prome's filter on marv, where marv is super buddy D1, then the second most suspicious vote on sandroba after myself, then slowly growing more worrisome, yet he never actually attacks marv or appears to consider him a legit piece of the scumteam (marv scummy, marv worrisome, but always at least 2 other people ahead of him, so marv scummy but gotta be town))
Then when he asks about conspiracy theories and I point out that I thought he wanted to talk about marv being scum, he asks why scum marv would do what he did (assuming prome was town), and entirely drops the matter.
He doesn't follow up on the reasons marv might be scum, even the ones he's given. He doesn't chat about why scummarv would do things even in a world where prome is town. He appears to not actually care AT ALL about the fact that he's suspicious of marv and someone else is wanting to talk about the possibility of scummarv.
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austin, tell me, over all my scumgames, about me defending my scumbuddies, how often I do it, how I do it.
kita: alright, will do. just popping in pre-exercise at the moment though. I do remember finding a quote from Prome's filter at some stage that made it seem quite unlikely to me that Prome was mafia with Holyflare(toad) though. I think you even commented on it.
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On January 30 2014 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
austin, tell me, over all my scumgames, about me defending my scumbuddies, how often I do it, how I do it.
kita: alright, will do. just popping in pre-exercise at the moment though. I do remember finding a quote from Prome's filter at some stage that made it seem quite unlikely to me that Prome was mafia with Holyflare(toad) though. I think you even commented on it. Very rarely if at all. Off the top of my head, you usually are willing to call them scummy or just find someone scummier to lynch without really having to defend your buddy.
I'm not saying it's normal for you. And I won't fully play the "but marv knows he acts like this, so he'll act like that" game, but you know you're plenty capable of having the thought "I usually don't defend scumbuddies, people know that, therefore, I'll defend a scumbuddy."
And even if how you normally interact with scumbuddies should be pushing me away from scummarv, your general play this game doesn't, that question doesn't, and prome's filter (discounting yours) doesn't really push me away from you. He seems to take stances on you at times, but not real ones. You're scummy when he's got way scummier people to be pushing, and he's not interested in talking about why you might be scum, despite being scummy on you.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 30 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita you should have saved that for the resolution period.
I'd rather spend the extra time looking if a Prom pair makes sense. It's pretty likely that Prom was in the top two lynch list to begin with, so it's not like I'm introducing a new mafia suspect and opening myself up to a night kill. If you had to pair someone with Prom, where are you at? I suppose I'd understand if you wanted to wait to answer so mafia doesn't pick people off based on their response, but if you get shot based on your answer, I'll have more time so I'm not entirely concerned.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 30 2014 03:42 marvellosity wrote:
kita: alright, will do. just popping in pre-exercise at the moment though.
mmk, if at all possible I'd like a chance to evaluate your response before the night hits.
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On January 30 2014 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 03:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Kita you should have saved that for the resolution period. I'd rather spend the extra time looking if a Prom pair makes sense. It's pretty likely that Prom was in the top two lynch list to begin with, so it's not like I'm introducing a new mafia suspect and opening myself up to a night kill. If you had to pair someone with Prom, where are you at? I suppose I'd understand if you wanted to wait to answer so mafia doesn't pick people off based on their response, but if you get shot based on your answer, I'll have more time so I'm not entirely concerned.
Nah I'm not going to be shot despite the fact that I'm off the table for tomorrow; (Even if Austin for some reason won't drop it) scum keeps me around because I have a history of being shit at LYLO.
I've kidna forgotten about Toad so I dunno where I am on that. Thinking of it now I figure much of our downfall this game has been association so I don't think I want to start looking into waht pairs make sense and what don't.
We REALLY should be lynching on merits alone, and then once we have a flip we can start attempting to associate (but even then I'd lean towards solo analysis).
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