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Artanis[Xp]
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
My current thought is prome + marv > Wos > kita > toad. I wish toad had been around more and talked more about why he wants to lynch foolish if he believes foolish/marv/prome = 2 mafia, because I don't think that makes sense. Otherwise, really just like him for town. For anyone that isn't convinced on prome, please read his thoughts on why mafia NKs gonzaw/hapa. Doesn't make sense. Actually read Foolishness's case on prome, look at prome's votes/reads. D1 reads, the way yesterday, when others were coming down to 2-3 scum suspects AT MOST, prome is apparently scummy on foolishness, scummy on marv, kinda scummy on toad, seems to be scummy on me at times, etc. Prome's got more than half the game still scum, and doesn't appear to be really trying to ... whittle that down. He's just happy that everyone is maybe scum, but we should lynch Foolishness. Again, I won't be dead. I like a prome lynch, but not autolynching marv afterwards. There's a chance someone's being a sneaky snake apart from marv. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Sadly there's 0 chance I get shot now, so I'll play hard next cycle. My one phobia is snakes. Ew. We need to really properly talk at some point tomorrow austin (on the not particularly dangerous assumption we'll still both be here :p), I need to see what your thoughts on me are really made of. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 07:42 marvellosity wrote: Sugar and spleen and everything green?kita, I been dozing on and off this evening, fraid that shit gonna have to wait. Sadly there's 0 chance I get shot now, so I'll play hard next cycle. My one phobia is snakes. Ew. We need to really properly talk at some point tomorrow austin (on the not particularly dangerous assumption we'll still both be here :p), I need to see what your thoughts on me are really made of. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 23 2014 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Kinda curious that Fool has 4 ppl as likely mafia (Prome, holy, me, sand) but...willing to test him on sand for now. ##Vote: sandroba I'll start off looking at marv's initial vote on sandroba. Does it sound like marv is really pushing hard to convince the threat that sandroba is the best lynch here? Instead, he argues that the vote is to test Foolishness, but I think it's pretty clear that this point that Prom is Fool's preferred lynch. Is it possible that he is trying to throw dirt on a town Foolishness for not switching over to a player that will eventually flip mafia? He argues that the sandroba lynch isn't going anywhere when he unvotes, but is there even any push here? Compare this to a town marv, where he is willing to call out specific individuals on why they are not voting with him. Earlier in the thread, marv mentions how town isn't going to ignore him when is vote is on Foolishness. Then why does he appear fine to have town ignore him when his vote is on sandroba? On January 23 2014 07:26 marvellosity wrote: So Fool and sand are both on Prome i don't like that lynch very much. On January 23 2014 07:41 marvellosity wrote: There's two very smelly people on the Prome wagon and sandroba aint flying because mysteriously he's not a good lynch to fool ##unvote ##vote: Foolishness Note how marv doesn't show a willingness to lynch Foolishness because he has a strong mafia read on him. He is voting to lynch Foolishness because he doesn't like the people that are on the Prom wagon. This is a really round-about way to justify a vote. The only issue that marv finds concerning with his play is his statement regarding sandroba. He attacks Fool for defending sandroba, a player whose alignment is unknown. On January 25 2014 00:54 marvellosity wrote: Why is everyone finding Fool scummy just as I'm finding him townie? It's like suddenly people are hyper aware of what he did on Day 1 now even though that was sometime ago, and no-one cares so much about anything since. However, something strange happens when sandroba flips. marv drops the case against the player he wanted to lynch up to 10 minutes before the flip. If marv thinks Foolishness is mafia for defending a player of an unknown alignment, why is he suddenly feeling better about Foolishness defending a player of mafia alignment? Wouldn't this strengthen his original case? He mentioned that the vote analysis changed his mind, but you can throw together one of those as mafia in a heartbeat. Furthermore, I sense little worry about the consequences of flipping a town Foolishness from marv. On March 11 2013 01:08 marvellosity wrote: Ver pretty explicitly said he wouldn't have much time for the game until Monday as well. And yet Acro actually has his vote on him; he wants to kill potentially one of town's strongest assets. On March 11 2013 12:17 marvellosity wrote: So we wait on Foolish, and Ver On March 12 2013 11:50 marvellosity wrote: Foolishness is a liar and quite possibly mafia but that will have to wait. Take a look at how marv approaches the suspicious play of Foolishness and Ver in Personality Mafia 2 on day one. He is willing to take the wait and see approach knowing that Foolishness has the ability to bust the game open once there is enough to work with. I also brought up the comparison to the champions game, where he urged to thread to be patient with Foolishness as he is a "notoriously slow starter". In this game, however, he immediately pushes him for content and is willing to flip foolishness off a single point, rather than a compelling case. I want to discuss how marv handles Prom on day one, as he is the main alternative to the lynch. On January 23 2014 06:27 marvellosity wrote: kita: I think your first and last paragraphs contain your best points, I'm going to reread on that basis now I think On January 23 2014 07:08 marvellosity wrote: eh keep getting distracted. Shall go hunt. On January 23 2014 07:26 marvellosity wrote: So Fool and sand are both on Prome i don't like that lynch very much. In the part of Prome's filter where he attacked Fool and then voted kita which didn't make very much sense to me given he was apparently suspicious of Fool earlier, but now he's back voting Fool which makes more sense. Kinda confusing actually On January 23 2014 07:56 marvellosity wrote: right now i like a not-prome lynch Earlier in the cycle, he had Prom in his top three and Foolishness was not. I asked marv twice to read my case against Prom on day one. He acknowledges that there are good points to my case, confirms that he displays some questionable play, and then concludes that he does not want a Prom lynch, without a clear explanation. Here is how the lynch stands when the flip is starting to take place. Foolishness (5): VisceraEyes, WaveofShadow, Promethelax, marvellosity, Hapahauli Promethelax (3): Foolishness, Kitaman27, Sandroba Sandroba (2): gonzaw, austin marv has a choice here: stay firm on Foolishness and take a risk that a swing happens, leaving him out to dry or swap to sandroba. If he switches to sandroba, Hapa AND prom would need to join him for sandroba to flip. If sandroba flips, then VE, Wave, Foolishness, and myself all look bad, while he can ride the town cred up until this point. If Foolishness flips, then whoever remained on the town player would look terrible and he could say that he tried to flip to sandroba. It seems like a easy choice at this point. Something that I happened to pick up on when reading through his filter was how extremely non-committal his views are of myself. Here are a group of posts that I picked out: On January 22 2014 01:55 marvellosity wrote: you have a lot of funny questions in your filter kita. On January 22 2014 02:15 marvellosity wrote: I dunno yet. I find quite a few of kita's questions odd (especially taken all together), but I dunno if it's scummy-odd or just kita-odd atm. On January 22 2014 05:31 marvellosity wrote: Just popping in between exercise and dinner, i'll go find kita's stuff a bit later. On January 22 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote: None of these by themselves really suggests that much, but there's so many of them. All leading, or weirdly phrased, or kinda obvious questions. Odd. On January 22 2014 08:42 marvellosity wrote: Apparently I'm seeing ghosts with kita, I'll come back to that (or not) later. On January 22 2014 09:12 marvellosity wrote: kita was clearly suspicious of gonzaw earlier on (aka "contributions without being a contribution") and to then keep nitpicking at gonzaw's case when kita's vote is on the same person is... strange to say the least On January 23 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote: Could be attractive, but i don't like his shoes mofo: kitaman27 On January 22 2014 23:17 marvellosity wrote: I should probably go remind myself what kita's mafia games look like. On January 23 2014 08:07 marvellosity wrote: Fool/kita/Prome/WoS are others for various reasons. I'll probably chat at length about it tomorrow. On January 24 2014 00:36 marvellosity wrote: I'll go look at kita instead. On January 24 2014 01:10 marvellosity wrote: kita's approach to sandroba seems pretty weird. On January 24 2014 01:10 marvellosity wrote: I hate how kita approached the lynch + deadline stuff in general, but it's kinda mitigated by the fact that flicking through his filter, there seems to be a genuine crapload of effort in there, just looking at players in depth. Don't think I'd lynch kita over VE atm. On January 24 2014 10:12 marvellosity wrote: I wanna revisit kita's long post tomorrow because it read quite well but I didn't get the same feels from it as I did Fool's post, and I want to know why, if there's a reason or if I'm just rabidly anti-kita because kita. (<3) On January 25 2014 01:06 marvellosity wrote: kita is oddly on the sidelines. On January 25 2014 02:29 marvellosity wrote: kita is more interesting, if Wave has things to do first then that'll probably line up with when I get around to looking at kita again. Although I kinda want to wait until kita has done his latest round of posting. On January 25 2014 22:43 marvellosity wrote: I'm more suspicious of kita than Wave, although not massively suspicious of either right now. On January 26 2014 22:59 marvellosity wrote: Still banking on 2 mafia being in toad+fool+kita, finding it really hard to see any other options. On January 27 2014 21:38 marvellosity wrote: I've not played that many games with kita and the ones I have (or observed) I've struggled with his alignment too. This could be fun :D On January 29 2014 19:28 marvellosity wrote: Hey kita, thanks for coming and dropping your vote in at the end and not having to take any responsibility, that's real swell of you. Count how many times marv calls me "odd" or "strange" without actually comitting to calling me mafia. Also, count how many times marv states that he is going to "look into kita" and then returns with an actual read. Yet, even in all this "confusion" I'm still appearing in most of his lynch lists even though he has never came to a mafia conclusion. Is my play such an enigma that he is incapable of presenting a single solid read? If everyone else seems to think it's pretty clear that I'm town, why is marv the last one to pick up on it? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
And yeah, I never came back with a firm read on you. Mainly because I'd start looking at you and not really find what I was looking for (whatever that was) I'm not really sure what you're suggesting my angle is here... keeping my options open or something? when most people see you as much townier than I was seeing you? That doesn't really work. Fool's towncase really finally firmed up my read on you. Did a really cursory check of what he suggested and he made strong points. At the time I thought he included the towncase on you to look legit while he pushed other bad arguments on Prome and Toad. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 07:56 marvellosity wrote: I thought you liked Foolishness's arguments on Prome, just not the conclusion. Your liking the analysis was not "I like the comparisons you're making" but "I like the...effort"?that's because you are odd and strange kita. And yeah, I never came back with a firm read on you. Mainly because I'd start looking at you and not really find what I was looking for (whatever that was) I'm not really sure what you're suggesting my angle is here... keeping my options open or something? when most people see you as much townier than I was seeing you? That doesn't really work. Fool's towncase really finally firmed up my read on you. Did a really cursory check of what he suggested and he made strong points. At the time I thought he included the towncase on you to look legit while he pushed other bad arguments on Prome and Toad. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On January 30 2014 07:56 marvellosity wrote: that's because you are odd and strange kita. I suppose I'll take that over Foolishness's proof that I'm mentally insane -_- | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Day 4 Kitaman27's head was found in several thousand pieces across the pavement, the rest of his body oddly missing. It is now Day 4! You have until Friday, Jan 31 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to cast your votes. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Again with the stuff on Holy/Toad, it seemed like he was purposefully picking out trolly comments from back to the basics to try to make holy look town here, even though holy had properly tryharded in other scumgames like lxiii and hogwarts. i couldn't find those 'holes' in the kita analysis. Maybe just because I know holy and prome better than i know kita, i don't know. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On January 30 2014 07:58 kitaman27 wrote: I suppose I'll take that over Foolishness's proof that I'm mentally insane -_- ha  gg kita. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I guess I should vocalize that, though. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Austin town, Prome scum, that's easy enough. It's the final day that's going to prove difficult. Marv or Toad? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote: How do you feel about Foolishness's anti-case on Toad? Like...really read and explain and whatnot plox?Welp seems like this game is going to be up to me now. Austin town, Prome scum, that's easy enough. It's the final day that's going to prove difficult. Marv or Toad? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On January 30 2014 09:20 austinmcc wrote: How do you feel about Foolishness's anti-case on Toad? Like...really read and explain and whatnot plox? There is much to do. All in good time, sweet austin. I should totes lynch you for picking Trundle though. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 30 2014 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I love me some trundle right now, except that you pillar CD so long that you can't actually stick on 85% of people.There is much to do. All in good time, sweet austin. I should totes lynch you for picking Trundle though. And yet, I've been losing games like crazy unless I ADC. But that is for another day. I'm interested in marv's kita response and your thoughts on Foolishness's Toad bit. I assume I know your thoughts on my thoughts on Toad. | ||
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