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On January 29 2014 05:18 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 21:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are assuming that marv is his secomndary and I am his (tertiary) target when he bever states that anywhere in his recent posts
I wanted to hear that stuff from him to try and get a read rather than have people put words in his mouth---now he may get all defensive about it which might convolute a read
Not that I have time to read much today really Yes I did that on purpose. I made no mention of Austin anywhere in my posts yet Austin looks like he's taking the information I provided and is trying to draw conclusions, while Marv is just trying to debunk everything I say (instead of say, analyzing the Promethelax case and looking for connections to the last mafia). Austin knows he's innocent so he didn't read at all into the fact that his name wasn't mentioned, because that wasn't on his mind. Marv noticed it in particular because he knows he's guilty.
Come on baby, you're really stretching. This doesn't even make sense.
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On January 29 2014 05:33 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 05:19 austinmcc wrote:On January 29 2014 05:18 Foolishness wrote:On January 28 2014 21:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
You guys are assuming that marv is his secomndary and I am his (tertiary) target when he bever states that anywhere in his recent posts
I wanted to hear that stuff from him to try and get a read rather than have people put words in his mouth---now he may get all defensive about it which might convolute a read
Not that I have time to read much today really Yes I did that on purpose. I made no mention of Austin anywhere in my posts yet Austin looks like he's taking the information I provided and is trying to draw conclusions, while Marv is just trying to debunk everything I say (instead of say, analyzing the Promethelax case and looking for connections to the last mafia). Austin knows he's innocent so he didn't read at all into the fact that his name wasn't mentioned, because that wasn't on his mind. Marv noticed it in particular because he knows he's guilty. (Except it's also really apparent why you'd do that and the only possible other targets were marv and myself and there were already reasons to be suspicious of him) Sure, and I understand that. I didn't really have much room to work with on that front. But on the page after I posted my analysis Marv makes this post: Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 11:06 marvellosity wrote:On January 28 2014 10:57 kitaman27 wrote:On January 28 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
Patience is in limited supply
as is my ability to stay awake much longer when i must go to bed Regardless of his read on you, what do you think about his thoughts on Prom? They look fine. Mostly everything looks fine. The issue is, the conclusions are wrong. The voting that I showed makes no sense whatsoever. As for Prome's meta, there are two pretty important things. One is that he's had time issues this game. Now I'm sure if he's mafia blabla he may have just avoided the thread in general, but not like this, and Prome is 100% not the kind of guy that would ever lie about time issues with work. He just isn't. The 2nd, major issue that Fool has (purposefully?) not taken into account is Prome's ego. Prome's ego is large, somewhat justifiably so. This isn't an insult, just an observation. In every game he plays, he considers himself one of the top townies. And he acts like it. Go look at PyP LoL postgame (or there's some other thread where he says it) - he's bigging himself up for being awesome there and he's annoyed that he wasn't given enough credit for it. Now, in relation to this game - yes, his ego is large. But he's not an idiot, and he's well aware that in this field, he is, for a change, one of the smaller fish. He's definitely referenced that in the thread, probably both pre-game and post-game. This will affect his "swagger" quite considerably, in that he looks up to most of the players here, rather than down, like he normally does. So he's more unsure, he's more willing to listen (example that post that Fool quotes where Prome is trusting gonzaw's read on sand). It's a large, missing piece of this read. Read this post carefully and you'll realize that there's something wrong. This is not a Marv town post. In particular I feel that his first three sentences show that he's mafia. He says: "They look fine. Mostly everything looks fine. The issue is, the conclusions are wrong." How can the analysis be right but the conclusions be wrong? That's saying, "oh Foolishness you're right, Promethelax is not playing his town game, definitely is pushing a mafia agenda, does not care about the town lynches and only his survival, he has the really bad vote posts which shows that he's pushing an agenda....but he's town". What?!? That's not a town way of thinking at all. If a town looks at my post about Promethelax and disagrees with it he's going to point out the flaws in my logic: "actually his voting could have been from a town perspective because X and Y" or "that Promethelax post could have come from town Promethelax because look at his other town games where he did something similar". Something to that effect. A town isn't going to look at that and be like, "yup, Foolishness does perfect analysis except he drew the wrong conclusions". Even so, why is Marv going out of his way to defend Promethelax? The thoughts don't line up. I'd guess he'd start making connections between Promethelax and other players ("well I know I'm town and Foolishness's analysis looks pretty good so gotta find the remaining mafia") or just defend himself ("well I know I'm town and Foolishness is implying that I'm the last mafia. I can prove my innocence so something is wrong here"). Perhaps these are wifom arguments, but Marv's line of thinking is not consistent. And to address what he said here, sure it's a good point to make about Promethelax's ego. But that can only explain so much. That doesn't address why he's not interested in the town lynches, why he made a strange list without incriminating anyone (and why Marv wasn't on that list). Second, if Promethelax does have an ego I'd expect him to vote for who he thinks is mafia above all instead of going with Gonzaw.
This is the townmarviest post of all townmarvy posts actually. What you're doing is accusing me of defending someone I don't think is scum from someone I think is scum. How is that even an argument?
You know very well that arguments can look good but come to the wrong conclusion or miss out vital pieces of evidence. It's stretching my credulity that you're even suggesting that this doesn't happen quite a lot, especially with good players. Things can be logical, things can make sense, but usually there is more than one possible explanation. In this case, you missed out a large piece of the puzzle, re: Prome's attitude towards this game and his ego. The fact you're trying to paint that as *me* being suspicious because I'm correctly poking holes in your case is ridiculous.
Essentially this entire post is totally incorrect.
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Kita I can address your concerns here, let me know if I missed something.
I'm pretty sure I answered this in my Q&A but I did look at WoS first. But I couldn't find anything good to work with. So I tackled the problem from a different angle and decided to go after either you or Toad. If I could show that one of you is mafia then my WoS idea would hold a lot of ground. As for why I picked Toad first? I don't know and I don't remember. I think I might have thought he would be easier to analyze since I had him and HolyFlare to look at it.
When I saw he was town I decided to document all the information I went through. This is because I thought, "okay, WoS/Kita are my mafia team. I can write a post on each showing that they are mafia and complement it with this post showing that Toad is town which will reinforce my night 1 theories about the votes". So I wrote that post. I went back to WoS; still had trouble finding evidence (I even started writing a post against him but didn't get very far). Then I decided to look at you. I saw that you were likely town immediately but went through all the motions just to make sure. I wanted the long post against you because if it wasn't there (if I just wrote a long paragraph about why you're town as you suggested) I didn't think anyone would buy it: "Foolishness, you've been calling him scum for a while now and you give us a paragraph about why he's town?!?! yeah right!" It felt like it was necessary to provide the whole case on a larger scale as well because it accurately helps to explain what's going on in this game.
As I said before, during the time I was absent from the thread I went through WoS a lot. A lot.
"Furthermore, you state that Wave + Kita makes a lot of sense. However, according to the time frame that you're providing, you state that you didn't take a look at my filter with this pair in mind until after you've made this statement. So essentially you're saying that it makes a lot of sense before actually looking to see if it makes a lot of sense?"
Yes that's correct. My mindset was still on the vote analysis I made on night 1. The mafia is in the group of four, VE is town because he already flipped, so I have to choose two of three. You made sense as his partner because you voted for Promethelax day 1 and I honestly thought "Kita is a very reasonable person, if he fails to see my logic he's probably mafia". Yeah it's kinda a stupid way of thinking but it made sense at the time because I was so sure I was right. Once I realized that it was possible I was wrong all along all your actions this game made a lot more sense.
"I'm more interested in the angle of "Did sandroba bus Prom?", rather than the other way around. In my opinion, this is the single most relevant piece of information in regards to Prom's alignment, but I don't really see any mention of it."
sandroba plays a very risky mafia. He always goes for the big plays. I don't think sandroba bussing Promethelax is that odd. But also, keep this in mind. At the time when he voted for Promethelax day 1 the votes are tied at 3 apiece. VE, Gonzaw, and WoS are voting for me. Myself, Kitaman, and sandroba are voting for Promethelax. If what I'm saying is true that this wasn't a bus at all! Why? There are still two mafia who haven't voted yet! Marv and Promethelax can easily drop their votes on me and I'm for sure to get lynched with 5 votes (remember we only had 10 votes to work with, not 11 cause of HolyFlare). And that's exactly what did happen. The end result of me getting lynched would be that suspicious sandroba would look incredibly good for the following days, and marv and Promethelax can just put the blame on the other 3 people that voted for me (in particular odd-behaving VE and one of my suspects WoS).
Sandroba's vote wasn't a bus. It was a smart mafia vote.
As everyone is correct in saying, mafia had no idea that sandroba would get lynched. But when it did happen they went all-in on the plan (remember sandroba is the risky mafia player). This makes even more sense because all three of them were clearly around for lynch time. All it needed was one sentence from sandroba "Do it, vote for me" and it happened. Or Marv could have voted for him thinking I was still going to get lynched. When Hapa hammered Promethelax dropped his vote as well. Both scenario's look possible (and both fit what we know about sandroba).
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Your argument is essentially "sandroba asked to get lynched on day 1 for absolutely no reason other than to make a terrible risky play"?
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You're even putting apostrophes in words that shouldn't have them by now. That's the real clincher.
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On January 29 2014 04:48 austinmcc wrote:WoS StuffStarts off poking at Kita about Sandroba. Can go either way. Very much not worried about Foolishness's early vote on him (F voted WoS for his first post) Back and forth with Kita about Sandroba. Scummy points for referencing positively Foolishness's comment on Sandroba engaging the thread actively In this post, if the team is actually marv/sand/prome, WoS accidentally catches the mafia team - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. WoS, just before his Foolishness vote, has a bunch of posts on Foolishness/prome/marv/sandro. Not trusting Foolishness, who had posted a case-y thing and a vote on Prome. Asking Gonzaw about Gonzaw's vote, wondering whether Gonzaw would prefer marv or sandro. It FEELS legit. He doesn't just sheep Gonzaw's vote, there's a lot of leadup that FEELS townie to me, where WoS is looking at Prome and Foolish a lot but never really doing anything super mega conclusory with them. I like WoS's conclusion that at least one scum was on the Sandroba wagon. It was against the grain, but he's not using it to try and paint anyone in particular as scummy. He just explains WHY he thinks there's a scum or multiple scum on sandroba, says it's unlikely me or gonzaw (for reasons). I really really like his thoughts after the Sandroba lynch. Neato. I feel good about WoS's D1. I like WoS's break in his catchup posts to tell people to stop commenting on fluff in the way that they are. That reads real townie in the middle of his other junk, when he's not attacking anyone in particular, and I like it. I want to stop now. Also, I'm going to.
Phoneposting cause this weirded me out
Wtf waste of time is this.
Why is your read on me impoortant right now?
Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM
Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are.
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Couple posts D1 saying marv is possible. Not the lynch, but possible mafia. Only relevant, and slightly, to associations.
I'm okay with Prome + WoS mafia --> WoS responds in a way I like --> Prome. It's the natural progression for either side, but imo it's tougher for mafia to say "one of these two dudes" --> choose one --> end up having that guy look good and go towards the other. For a townie, you just pick your now best scum target. As mafia, you lost a possible mislynch at the time, and you ... dislike that? Foolishness's D1, especially where gonzaw questions him, reads MORE like a townie response than the scummy one - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 10:12 VisceraEyes wrote:Here's something that I still find off about Foolish's reentry post. On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:The thing with VE is that yes, on his own some of his posts are suspicious. This one in particular made me raise an eyebrow: + Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 01:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Morning guys. Marv no, I don't think it's the same kind of Prome that I'm used to seeing. What it reminds me of is that game I was the mayor and lynched the piss out of Prome D1. He was a lurky little shit that game, but I caught him on something very similar to what I noticed this game. Like I think it's awful that I have to ask this, but did you read my post on him?
That being said, I at least dig one of his targets. I asked Foolish about his thoughts on this same matter and what I got is "lol you and Hapa townies" which is definitely NOT what I was after. He answered my question as if he'd read the exchange between us, but left me with a feeling that he hadn't actually read anything at all.
If I see one more person say they're going to ignore my posts, I won't be responsible for the outcome. You have been warned. However I think if you just read through his filter and analyze it as a whole there's nothing to be afraid of. Is he pushing any sort of mafia agenda? No. Does it feel like he doesn't have the town's best interest in mind? No. Does it feel like he's actually trying to figure things out? Yes. This is where he explains his super townread of me right? But look at the bolded bit. He's criticizing me asking marv about my Prom post and the part where I share my observation about our interaction, but says that the TOWNIE bit is the last two sentences, the "fluffy" angry nonsense at the end. Like, I'm trying to wrap my head around this. He thinks I'm town, presumably he knows that I share at least Promethelax as a scumread, but he tries to lightly discredit me while calling me townie? And after the entire post, I STILL don't know if he actually READ my post on Promethelax. Something doesn't add up. I'm missing something, somewhere. Bringing light to the fact that your post was incredibly weird minus the last two sentences. It was really odd, and I don't think I'm the only one who said so. You're town and we all know it. Don't pull a gonzaw. Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 03:10 gonzaw wrote:
You know, I'm kind of serious with this Foolishness stuff. Does any one of you have anything to say about him?
Basically:
1)Voting WOS, wanting to lynch other guys, but never change his vote and goes AFK
2)Seeming contradiction, since he almost thought I was scummy scum because I "did" something similar
3)People seemed to find him town because they agreed with him. But right now, apparently town sentiment against WOS and Prome dropped, so what makes that post of him townie now?
4)Remember the time he made a horrible entrance to the game making a scummy vote, pointless post and unfounded reads? 1) I explained why I kept my vote on WoS, since then he has responded and I liked what he said. He's being very affirmative and speaking his thoughts. When I first accused him early in the day I thought the opposite of this (also explained in my earlier posts). Now he's here, he's posting, and he's trying for the town. And that's the direction I started to lean towards when I made my big post. My vote on WoS was to affirm this suspicion, and also to get other people to comment on it. 2) Don't know what you're exactly referring to. But you were being trolly at the start of the day and it was impossible to know what your motives were. Your motives are clear now. As I also said in my recent post, you dying would answer a lot of questions. Not that that's going to happen anytime soon (or ever really). 3) Promethelax is scum. WoS probably not. Read above. 4) Nope. ##Unvote
##Vote: Promethelax
Foolishness's comment on Sandroba looking better because of activity is scummy. His first response to people asking about that is to me, the "speaks volumes" post. I look better for continuing to post, Sandroba looks scummier for not. He does NOT AT ALL address the fact that Sandroba was not really active, knows he only posted a couple times. I don't love that either.
Continues minor harping on marv D1. Gonzaw asks about whether Foolishness would lynch marv or sandro. Foolishness says both, while calling out marv's posting. Again, for association purposes, makes the two together unlikely.
Calls me out here:On January 23 2014 07:56 Foolishness wrote:
There's no way this sandroba lynch is good.
Also
"Back. Caught up and also read Prome. Fine with a prome lynch." - Austin
Except I'd also said I was fine voting Sand. This was a point against him earlier, because he doesn't appear to be reading all my posts, he's just grabbing something and throwing it, trying to scare people off of sand. I still don't like it. BUT BUT BUT this post makes no sense if the team is Foolishness/sandroba/prome. Foolishness wants to push a prome lynch, FINE. Dandy. But Foolishness, if the team is sand/prome/foolishness, PROBABLY has a hard time really making me look shady after this. He knows BOTH are mafia. Is the one thing he really grabs a quote from a guy who said he would vote either of those two? Doesn't he do...something different? Like, prome flips mafia. And on D2, sand...does nothing again? He's probably still on the block. If Foolishness is TRYING to make me look bad here and put me up for lynch D2, or discredit me, he's going to have trouble, because Sandroba is, in all likelihood, still gonna get lynched at some point. I don't think scum foolishness, on THAT team, makes that post.
I don't think mafia Foolishness is so insistent on the "kill these 4 players" plan. I know people took issue with it, knowing that if they were mostly town or all town scum Foolishness magically wins the game. This discounts the fact that: (1) people didn't trust Foolishness, so had NO REASON to actually follow his plan, it's not a way for scum to win the game because holy crap nobody is going down that list on Foolishness's say-so; and (2) there's at least some reason to back up that list. (1) being more important than (2).
Gonzaw was poking at Foolishness during N2. Gonzaw got killed. i THINK this is mildly mildly townie. (1) Foolishness spends a LOT of the night cycle, most of his posts, going back and forth with Gonzaw. Critical of Gonzaw. In general, this is more likely to mean that he's town, given that scum was gonna kill Gonzaw (not 100%, and it's a rule that mafia can and SHOULD exploit by talking a bunch about their NK target). (2) Could be scummy because who wants gonzaw dead? The guy gonzaw is being really critical of! (3) Point 2 can be WIFOMed (and should!).
It's not the greenest of filters to me. But i THINK that in that group of 3, foolishness is the town. The NK, the post about me during the D1 lynch.
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On January 29 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 04:48 austinmcc wrote:WoS StuffStarts off poking at Kita about Sandroba. Can go either way. Very much not worried about Foolishness's early vote on him (F voted WoS for his first post) Back and forth with Kita about Sandroba. Scummy points for referencing positively Foolishness's comment on Sandroba engaging the thread actively In this post, if the team is actually marv/sand/prome, WoS accidentally catches the mafia team - + Show Spoiler +On January 23 2014 05:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 23 2014 05:24 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 23 2014 04:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 23 2014 04:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not the tone - the act itself. Like, if he were town I feel like rather than do a stream of consciousness thing, he would read and have actual suspicions and post those. I disagree. I could swear he's done this specifically as town before (as have I) but I'd have to check which is kind of difficult for me atm. Either way he's given me enough that even were I able to be convinced before his return (which I kinda doubted) I certainly won't be voting him today. Like I get the we 'expect more' but is it not possible that Prome simply hasn't gotten to his 'POP' case yet? I don't allow this defense for people like Foolishness/Sandroba because they haven't actively been here. That's the thing though, we don't "expect more" we expect actual thoughts and opinions. Having suspicions of someone, and succinctly explaining them, takes actually LESS effort than doing a stream of consciousness catch up thing. It's that I expected LESS. Like, I don't know, it's hard to explain. But I'm not voting for him so ultimately it doesn't matter much. Foolishness can you comment on the conversation VE and I had about Prome that ended with the above post? Sounds like you're making good arguments why he should be lynched. Look at it this way. Let's say I posted and said, "Kitaman is the best lynch right now!" what would you respond? You'd say, "wtf he's been pushing the town in the right direction and asking good questions." Now I say, "Promethelax is the best lynch right now!" (or Holyflare) what is your response? You say, "Eh, I feel like he's doing okay..." I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done? In relation to what gonzaw just posted, I feel like the above could be applied as well to either marv or snadroba----and actually starts to mesh with the idea that I haven't been feeling anything at all from marv all game aside from a little bit of agreement in some posts that I quoted earlier in my filter. Taking a closer look at marv. WoS, just before his Foolishness vote, has a bunch of posts on Foolishness/prome/marv/sandro. Not trusting Foolishness, who had posted a case-y thing and a vote on Prome. Asking Gonzaw about Gonzaw's vote, wondering whether Gonzaw would prefer marv or sandro. It FEELS legit. He doesn't just sheep Gonzaw's vote, there's a lot of leadup that FEELS townie to me, where WoS is looking at Prome and Foolish a lot but never really doing anything super mega conclusory with them. I like WoS's conclusion that at least one scum was on the Sandroba wagon. It was against the grain, but he's not using it to try and paint anyone in particular as scummy. He just explains WHY he thinks there's a scum or multiple scum on sandroba, says it's unlikely me or gonzaw (for reasons). I really really like his thoughts after the Sandroba lynch. Neato. I feel good about WoS's D1. I like WoS's break in his catchup posts to tell people to stop commenting on fluff in the way that they are. That reads real townie in the middle of his other junk, when he's not attacking anyone in particular, and I like it. I want to stop now. Also, I'm going to. Phoneposting cause this weirded me out Wtf waste of time is this. Why is your read on me impoortant right now? Why is it all based on D1 play when you coiuld have come to the same conclusions yesterday BUT YESTERDAY YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM Foolishness I am not the key to this game. You are. Yesterday I was really weirded out by people doing a 180 on you, and VE wasn't dead and green. It's relevant because my analysis and vote come down to thinking kita and you are town, and I wanted to make sure that was the case with a reread.
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Also foolishness you can't say that marv acted defensive cause he is harboring guilt and austin isn't cause he is town and wasn't mentioned. Your entire posts screams 'I think marv is scum' just because you never explicity say it doesn't mean marv doesn't have a right to act like you did.
I wanted to hear who YOU think is scum.
I still do.
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Also I hate I HATE that this is happening 2h prelynch.
Unacceptable townplay from austin/foolishness.
Where was this shit 2 days ago
I almost want to stay on foolishness purely based on principle. I get the feeling if he flips town Prome is confirmed scum for some reason but I have to go back and read shit but I won't have time for a while postlynch
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Townie mindset 101
Option 1)
Make 2 towncases, one on someone who MAY get lynched, one who's not even on the table to be lynched
Option 2)
Make mafia case on the 2nd mafia who is "in the bag"
Hum
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I hate doing this from my phone why can't you people be around when I am or make deadlines later grargh
^^fakerage
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yeah i haven't got much PC time left either :/
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On January 29 2014 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
Townie mindset 101
Option 1)
Make 2 towncases, one on someone who MAY get lynched, one who's not even on the table to be lynched
Option 2)
Make mafia case on the 2nd mafia who is "in the bag"
Hum
Is foolishness known for making towncases? Be honest.
Although considering his towncases and mafiacases have flipped exactly in this game I don't even know what anymore.
KISS says foolishness should have been lynched twice so we lynch him.
To some degree I also want to say KISS says the effort he put in with his essays makes him town but the WAY in which those were done makes me say no.
Vote stays
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On January 29 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
Townie mindset 101
Option 1)
Make 2 towncases, one on someone who MAY get lynched, one who's not even on the table to be lynched
Option 2)
Make mafia case on the 2nd mafia who is "in the bag"
Hum Is foolishness known for making towncases? Be honest. Although considering his towncases and mafiacases have flipped exactly in this game I don't even know what anymore. KISS says foolishness should have been lynched twice so we lynch him. To some degree I also want to say KISS says the effort he put in with his essays makes him town but the WAY in which those were done makes me say no. Vote stays
Usually Foolish is quite happy to tell people in some detail why he thinks people are town.
But he's done so at such great length and at the expense of making a case against me. That's just not right.
Foolish didn't have a chance of mislynching Promethelax today if he also included a case against me that I would tear apart.
It's really that simple.
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Is austin fighting this lynch?
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yes, because Prome is mafia because he said you were town due to activity and contribution even though you had a couple of dodgy posts, and because of pairings.
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KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP
Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2
WoS or kita, are you as well?
Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome
(1) marv + foolishness
marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction.
Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds.
Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together.
(2) prome + foolishness
Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team?
Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work.
So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices.
A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome.
(3) prome + marv
In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness
If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax.
Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted.
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On January 29 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Is austin fighting this lynch?
yes
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I really hate austins sudden townread. Did you read what I wrote?
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