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marvellosity
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:25 WaveofShadow wrote: I really hate austins sudden townread. Did you read what I wrote? yes, it's odd as shit and making me reconsider toad+austin, but I can worry about that post-flip | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:25 marvellosity wrote: Why lynch sandroba on D1 instead of Foolishness then?no austin, you should be lynching the absolute strongest read, period. | ||
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marvellosity
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Plus shenannies are fun | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
I don't mind being wrong about my initial townread on austin it was pretty weak but there will be plenty of time for that. I'm really just hoping fool is mafia so I can keep using my tell to some degree I think the only person its ever failed me on is Rayn in persona but thayts cause tunnel rayn is crazy as shit and town shouldn't act that way | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Also I hate I HATE that this is happening 2h prelynch. Unacceptable townplay from austin/foolishness. Where was this shit 2 days ago I almost want to stay on foolishness purely based on principle. I get the feeling if he flips town Prome is confirmed scum for some reason but I have to go back and read shit but I won't have time for a while postlynch I spent my time defending myself in the thread. I removed myself from the game because I wasn't getting anywhere and only causing the town more grief. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote: I'd feel pretty decent about austin/fool scumteam I don't mind being wrong about my initial townread on austin it was pretty weak but there will be plenty of time for that. I'm really just hoping fool is mafia so I can keep using my tell to some degree I think the only person its ever failed me on is Rayn in persona but thayts cause tunnel rayn is crazy as shit and town shouldn't act that way Does that team make sense to you? You've been the one going after Promethelax since day 2. I thought your case on him was pretty bogus at the time but now I realize you were right on the mark. The mafia is Marv and Promethelax | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Without PC now for some hours, will try to phonepost (i'm terrible at it) | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote: KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2 WoS or kita, are you as well? Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome (1) marv + foolishness marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds. Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together. (2) prome + foolishness Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team? Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work. So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices. A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome. (3) prome + marv In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax. Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
Kinda disappointed that was the best angle you could find to take fool. shrug. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:43 WaveofShadow wrote: No you weren't, you being here to talk with people was arguably more helpful than dropping essays and causing the entire town to flip its shit Fine. Regardless does this matter now? Look at the evidence against Promethelax. Can you really read what I said about him and say that he's town? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Too many town-marv things this game + mindmelds The only thing that would make me facepalm if we lose to him was that feel I got early on for never thinking he is scum when I ALWAYS do | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:44 marvellosity wrote: yes, marv & prome at 5-3-2 on fool definitely decide just to randomly kill off a player (WHEN THE OPTION EXISTS TO LOOK GOOD BUSSING HIM TOMORROW) because sand is a "risky mafia player". Kinda disappointed that was the best angle you could find to take fool. shrug. This doesn't really matter anymore. If you're going to take that stance how come you haven't been agreeing with me that the mafia are in the group of 4 I called out on night 1 (or even add me and call it a group of 5)? That doesn't match up with your thinking at all. Just forget what happened with the day 1 votes for a moment. Go back and analyze people and just hunt for mafia. It's incredibly clear based on that what's going on. I spent too much time focusing on what happened with the sandroba lynched and it led me entirely in the wrong direction. When I was able to remove that from my head and just scum-hunt I was able to figure things out. After doing that then put it what happened on day 1 and see if it's possible. It definitely is. I don't know why you're bringing so much attention to the day 1 votes as well. Well, I do know why, but for the others here I still haven't seen why my analysis on Promethelax is flawed other than "his ego is gone", but that can only explain so much. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:44 Foolishness wrote: Fine. Regardless does this matter now? Look at the evidence against Promethelax. Can you really read what I said about him and say that he's town? yu should have been here one of the myriad times I was in thread to discuss this with me. I can't do this from my phone. Too little too late---if you flip town I will re-read everything you have written. You have my word. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Nonono, sorry. This is only relevant to marv's D1 swap.Because foolishness was kind of up in the air still. I assume people didn't realize hed be playing the whole game as strangely as his D1. Plus shenannies are fun He was on Foolishness, because Foolishness was mafia. Foolishness was mafia, in part, because he wasn't voting sandroba, who was also scummy. He had made a LOT of comments about Foolishness. But as far as Sandroba goes, he has comments like: On January 22 2014 22:53 marvellosity wrote: Wave looks better, for obvious reasons Prome is looking worse by default sandroba is looking worse by default Your recent posts look quite ok plus none of my townreads are interested in you Holy looks bad because I have no idea what he is doing with the blatantly town Hapa Within those 3. Maybe sand gets another day for being sand. Prome/Holy. Want both to post. He REALLY gets on sand's case a little via Foolishness - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 06:19 marvellosity wrote: austin: Paranoia, but I had to cheat So what the fuck is going on here? In the first post, Foolishness is "sandroba's entrance was fine" - I believe this was picked up by multiple people who questioned it - and we never got an answer as far as I can see from Foolish's filter, despite being asked by more than one person (pls don't say i missed it thanks). Also that sandroba is fine as long as he continues posting. sandroba has not continued posting. So... moving on with Foolish's posts, he prefers to lynch me over sandroba on a "general feeling", despite the fact that by his own metric he should really want to be lynching sandroba pretty fucking hard right now. sand asked Foolish (and me T.T) some really random question, and then in the 2nd post follows this up by randomly tacking Foolish on as someone who is "maybe" giving him scumvibes, as an afterthought. Scum/scum? (connection bad blabla, not going to lynch on this). Actually Foolish's posts towards sandroba are exceptionally weak and contradictory in that he's basically not following through on his promises to bust sandroba's ass, which he really should be if sandroba is only fine if he continues posting - and sandroba was only fine in the first place because his posts showed some thought (did they really?)Foolish has kinda rumbled that sand is mafia but... yeah. Let me show something from Liar Game analysis: sandroba is now in marv's bottom 2 people, with NO comment other than the foolishness stuff - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 06:33 marvellosity wrote: Quick cheat list: Sexy mofos: marv Hapa gonzaw Mildly attractive mofos: VisceraEyes WaveofShadow austinmcc Totally ignoring this mofo for now: Holyflare Could be attractive, but i don't like his shoes mofo: kitaman27 Possibly unattractive, pending mofo: Promethelax Ugly mofos: Foolishness sandroba 1. Foolishness 2. Marvellosity 3. Promethelax 4. Austinmcc 5. Sandroba 6. VisceraEyes 7. Kitaman27 8. HolyFlare 9. Hapahauli 10. Gonzaw 11. WaveofShadow Then with an hour to go, he wants to lynch sand for doing nothing for town - + Show Spoiler + On January 23 2014 07:06 marvellosity wrote: Why don't we just kill the dude who doesn't care about town after all? Kinda curious that Fool has 4 ppl as likely mafia (Prome, holy, me, sand) but...willing to test him on sand for now. ##Vote: sandroba sandroba comes BACK and posts on promethelax, votes him. This is marv's current lynch target. marv makes ZERO mention of sandroba's return to thread, even though not helping town was the reason sandroba was mafia. marv makes ZERO mention of it at all, except to say that he doesn't like a Prome lynch because sand and foolishness are on it. He then unvotes sandroba to vote Foolishness again (19 minutes to lynch). Then back to sand (5 minutes). If marv dislikes sand and Foolishness, fine. But MOST of his posts have been about Foolishness looking bad. He doesn't really come out earlier and call sandroba mafia, and he doesn't respond to sandroba coming into thread at 11th hour and voting prome/writing about prome. Marv doesn't want prome lynched, but when the vote is 5 Foolishness / 3 Prome / 2 Sand / 1 Gonzaw, he unvotes Foolishness to vote sandroba. Making it 4/3/3/1, and in a game full of shennanies, SLIGHTLY more likely that prome gets lynched by a single vote swap, which couldn't have happened in a 5/3/2/1 world. It's not ENTIRELY about "voting your strongest scum suspect," it's PARTIALLY about the rest of what I think is wrong with marv's D1 voting. He's swapping his vote multiple times in the last little bit. He's doing so without ever really calling sandroba out previously, when he HAS been calling Foolishness out. In swapping his vote, he makes a dude he doesn't want lynched a little more likely to be lynched. And he just skates over Sandroba's return to thread after a long absence, sandroba's comments on prome, despite the fact that he's voting sandroba at that point, then unvotes him, then votes him again. I just don't fully buy marv's suspicions and his vote swapping on D1 at the deadline and marv making a comment about voting your strongest scum suspect triggers me poking around that. It's not 1:1, with "but foolishness was your strongest suspect and yet you voted sandroba." That's not valid. But i think that marv's D1 is wonky and his strongest suspect comment set me off. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I have a great deal of trouble believing marv is scum Too many town-marv things this game + mindmelds The only thing that would make me facepalm if we lose to him was that feel I got early on for never thinking he is scum when I ALWAYS do Maybe it's cause he's a good player? lol I didn't want to believe it either at first but now that I know Promethelax is mafia all that's left is to make sure it's not Austin. And I guess make sure it's not you for doing some complicated bus on Promethelax night 1. But I'm done running those kinds of theories. Your town, I'm town, Kita and Toad are town, Austin is likely town. Promethelax is a known mafia, Marvellosity is the last mafia. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You know how hypocritical that is I'm sure, but it could also be applied to a lot of people in the thread. EXCEPt MEEEEE But yeah foolishness surely you would be one to know scumhunting>>all right? So much unflipped association shit in this game that everyone got dragged into. I think gonzaw and kita might have been prett good about it too | ||
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