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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 07:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
I will say you are right though that I don't remember thinking you were wrong per se
But that doesn't make you town, nor does it necessarily make prome scum
This is the cinversation we needed to have while I was around dude
No shitflinging, no giant-ass posts. I needed a real read of you that wasn't simply focused on your ability to pre-think evrything
GL w lynch guys
I have an idea where to go from here and regardless of the outcome I think we'll get a ton of info if the course is stayed
Sure, it doesn't make me town or make him mafia. But you don't have the same doubts about it. That's obvious in your posting when you talk about me and talk about him. You have doubts about me but think my flipping will clear things up, which it probably will. But at the same time when you don't have doubts about Promethelax you know that he's mafia. I know it too and the rest of us know it.
Promethelax is mafia.
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On January 29 2014 07:14 marvellosity wrote:
Because day 3 is not day 1
Are you being purposefully obtuse?
You can find plenty of games of mine where I day 1 shenannie. No games where I am not voting my strongest read day 3. It's exceptionally simple to understand Well your comment didn't say
"We should be lynching the scummiest player, period, but only on Days after 1"
or anything like that. It made it sound like this was a hard and fast rule you wanted to enforce always.
On January 29 2014 07:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
Note for my filter for later:
Aside from austin being missing a lot, notably his jovial trolly nature has been missing too.
Must compare some games.
Generally more jovial in town games recently than scum? Off the top of my head, I got a little trolly in Chrono Trigger but ONLY on the last day (see my post about old me and martial arts), and I was very jovial in PTP: Demon's Run, posting at VE about how bears were going to eat him and about how bears were evil and all that jazz.
I think GENERALLY though, more jovial in town games? Not entirely sure on that. I've had srs town games and some jovial scum games, and i THINK i was jovial in scum games regardless of the situation (i believe i was pretty happy and jokey in PTP even when it looked like i couldn't win).
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On January 29 2014 07:18 marvellosity wrote:
austin if you're town you are behaving exceptionally oddly Agreed. I'm behaving oddly for either alignment this game, but I know that today has been really off for my towngame.
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Because I thought it would be obvious, especially given the further explanation. It should have been obvious.
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There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that
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We're not lynching me tomorrow. Has everyone gone mad?
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Foolishness
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This should give you everything you need to prove the case on Marv.
Town in LXIV (first game) here
Town in ## here
Town in LXII here
Mafia in Desert Mini here
The game where he's mafia should prove everything. Combine that with his usual town play and the difference should be clear.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:
There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that
Yes, and how does it make sense for any of the mafia teams to include me on it?
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The game where I never bussed and gave up day 3
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
The game where I never bussed and gave up day 3
It's called "behavior analysis" not "bus analysis" for a reason.
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Marv if fool flips town will you lynch prome tomorrow?
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On January 29 2014 07:31 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
The game where I never bussed and gave up day 3 It's called "behavior analysis" not "bus analysis" for a reason.
You didn't do any on me. This is why you're so full of bs.
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On January 29 2014 07:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Marv if fool flips town will you lynch prome tomorrow?
Not seeing that as a possibility right now. This is all too ridiculous.
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On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:
There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that If you believe this, why foolishness over prome?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP
Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2
WoS or kita, are you as well?
Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome
(1) marv + foolishness
marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction.
Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds.
Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together.
(2) prome + foolishness
Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team?
Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work.
So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices.
A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome.
(3) prome + marv
In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness
If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax.
Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted.
Do you disagree with my conclusion? Or you think that it's not worth lynching based on that conclusion, and you're just set on Foolishness whether it makes the most sense out of those three or no.
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Hey fool before you die wanna do a quick analysis of the marv/prome discussion this morning?
Anything faked in there? (Did you talk about it already?)
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 29 2014 07:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:31 Foolishness wrote:On January 29 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote:
The game where I never bussed and gave up day 3 It's called "behavior analysis" not "bus analysis" for a reason. You didn't do any on me. This is why you're so full of bs.
Hopefully someone else can finish it up. But the summary of it is:
1) Posts have more content when you're town. By that I mean your posts always say or do something. When you're mafia you have more "fluffy" posts. You'll comment on something or give out an idea, but without directly saying or accomplishing anything.
2) Posts are more direct when you're town. Let's be honest, you're marvellosity, and you're known for lynching scum, bitches, and VE. When you're town you make it happen, you don't sit around and wait for someone else to take up the reins. As mafia you're less direct and you wait for someone else to start something before jumping in.
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Vote Count - Deadline at Tuesday, Jan 28 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Foolishness (4): WaveOfShadow, marvellosity, Promethelax, Toadesstern
Promethelax (2): Foolishnes, Austinmcc
Not voted (1): Kitaman27 (!!!!!!!!!!!)
Please inform us if there are any mistakes!
Currently Foolishness is set to be lynched.
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On January 29 2014 07:39 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:
There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that If you believe this, why foolishness over prome? + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP
Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2
WoS or kita, are you as well?
Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome
(1) marv + foolishness
marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction.
Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds.
Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together.
(2) prome + foolishness
Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team?
Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work.
So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices.
A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome.
(3) prome + marv
In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness
If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax.
Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted.Do you disagree with my conclusion? Or you think that it's not worth lynching based on that conclusion, and you're just set on Foolishness whether it makes the most sense out of those three or no.
the latter. I want this cleared up for now.
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On January 29 2014 07:45 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:39 austinmcc wrote:On January 29 2014 07:25 Toadesstern wrote:
There's been too much chaos. There's 2 mafias within Foo/Prome/Marv. We're staying on this lynch right now and keep on lynching Prome/Marv tomorrow. Simple as that If you believe this, why foolishness over prome? + Show Spoiler +On January 29 2014 06:25 austinmcc wrote:
KITAMAN'S COMBINATRICS CRAP
Toad is on board here with marv/prome/foolishness, pick 2
WoS or kita, are you as well?
Regardless, here's how that set of 3 people plays out! marv/foolishness OR prome/foolishness OR marv/prome
(1) marv + foolishness
marv attacks foolishness on D1, because of Foolishness's sandroba comments. That's a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction. Foolishness attacks marv on D1 for not doing much, again, a lot of mafia on mafia on mafia interaction.
Does it make sense? It does if they go "jesus we're going to look weird if we're around at endgame, we need to sacrifice one or two of us to get one guy to endgame." They drop sandroba, giving marv credit, but keeping foolishness and marv at odds.
Overall though, i find this UNLIKELY, because it seems like a terrible plan to START THE GAME thinking you're going to lynch your buddies and set yourselves apart. Their D1s, both posting that the other looks scummy, and continuing to harp on that, make it look like they are NOT mafia together.
(2) prome + foolishness
Town had the bestest D1 EVER? And again, from D1, foolishness and prome are calling each other mafia and setting themselves apart? Then Foolishnes is going "prome is the best lynch" --> I was wrong, prome likely town --> Prome is the best lynch? What does this accomplish for that team?
Two scenarios. In one, they want PROME lynched and Foolishness alive. Foolishness gets a little town cred, maybe doesn't get lynched tomorrow. But here's the deal. He needs TWO mislynches. He's basically locked into not lynching Kita or Toad. So he goes for marv ezpz, after prome flips. Fine. Then Foolishness only has myself/WoS to go after. He's gone hard back to WoS is town, and is continuing to state that, push that, today when he just got back to thread. If he needs WoS as a mislynch, I don't think he reinforces the idea that he finds WoS townie. If he wants to go after me, he probably doesn't keep halfway buddying me. I think that this plan makes 0 sense. ESPECIALLY because the plan is "have Foolishness survive until endgame and secure a mislynch." Townies are going to be really creeped out by a living Foolishness at that point, ESPECIALLY after Foolishness worked so hard to get prome lynched. It just doesn't work.
So the other scenario. They want FOOLISHNESS lynched today. Prome lives. MAYBE some people give him credit for Foolishness attacking him, who knows. Prome now needs two mislynches. He can get me killed pretty easily, because of my defending foolishness and conduct today. His other mislynch is ... more open. HE can go after toad or kita easier than Foolishness can, saying Foolishness is dicking town around with one of those reads. He can go after WoS, saying WoS looks weird for Foolishness coming back to town on him and really not trying hard to get WoS lynched over VE. Prome has way way way more options to win the game than Foolishness does. It looks LESS WEIRD if prome is around at endgame, and he has more choices.
A mafia team of prome + foolishness HAS AN EASIER TIME OF WINNING if we lynch foolishness and not prome.
(3) prome + marv
In this case, we don't want to lynch Foolishness
If you think that the remaining mafia are within foolishness/promethelax/marv, then you should be lynching promethelax.
Because in one scenario, Foolishness is town. In one scenario, BOTH are mafia, but mafia has an EASIER TIME WINNING if we lynch Foolishness and not promethelax. The ONLY reason you should be voting Foolishness, IF you think mafia is in those three, is if you think the team is Foolishness + marv. I find that team very very unlikely, given how they'd played and interacted.Do you disagree with my conclusion? Or you think that it's not worth lynching based on that conclusion, and you're just set on Foolishness whether it makes the most sense out of those three or no. the latter. I want this cleared up for now. If prome is town, I assume you think Foolishness is mafia 100%?
If prome is mafia...foolishness likely town but not certain?
I know that lynching A to clear up B sounds smelly, and isn't conclusory, but i THINK things are mostly cleared up with either lynch, and I think prome puts us in the best position.
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