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This post really stuck out to me: On November 20 2013 12:26 Mocsta wrote: Why exactly does sci look bad for pointing fingers so early? @ least sci gave a reason. Now it may not have been a good reason but would he have been less scummy if he just said cora was a scum read w/o any reason @ all? Aparently, since that's what Mocsta did:post 6 I can't remember what a scum Cora is like.. but the above sounds more typical of town if I recall correctly. If I were to have a go at Corazon, it would be more along the lines of that being his sole post so far, yet being present in the thread to post that. Read is null. You look bad for trying to point fingers already on something that is null so early. On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: Of the 3 people he named, he only posted a small reason for Aquanim about how he questioned him. post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count  So Mocsta, is sciberbia for pointing fingers for a bad reason scummier than you pointing fingers for no reason @ all? | ||
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On November 20 2013 22:56 Mocsta wrote: Almost there. But my point isn't that I want to know why you think those people are scummy. I want to know why you think sci is scummy for basically doing the same thing you did. jjd read the whole thread. if you still need an answer to your question, let me know and I will respond otherwise what you are asking is pointless. The only difference I see is that he gave a reason while you didn't. Which I think looks worse for you. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote: jjd I gave reasons?? I am having trouble whether you haven't seen the two posts I made in reference to scibwrbia, or, you can't follow my reasoning?? based on your dialogue it appears you van not find my reasoning? + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:10 Mocsta wrote: Not to be a prick, but your opener fits that bill more than Corazon. Corazon and I have history, so you could argue he opened that way to satiate me from tunneling him. However, town are guilty of posting responses like that as openers or second posts very often. its part of early game trolling. Hence why I gave Corazon post a null tell. I don't like how you rambled several paragraphs just to state the above. Too much quantity, not enough substance. This is the closest thing I can find as a reason. If there's something else I missed, let me know. If "Too much quantity, not enough substance" is pretty much ur reasoning then OK. But that didn't seem to be what U originally said. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: OK, so in this post it looks like he's leaning town on sciberia. His tells him he should chill w/ the page 1 analysis so to me that seems like he doesn't think its scummy but bad townie.I took a shower. Sorry for not wanting to smell bad. Moc, I'm quite concerned that you have already used up >25% of your "self-allotted posts". If you're going to start spamming, it's going to be a problem. Now to my goals/early game statements: 1. I'm not gonna make any meta crap posts. TBH I don't remember anyone's meta and it's ridiculously stupid logic. I'm not going to stand for it and I don't think you guys should either. 2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote. 3. I'm going to do my best to not be just an onlooker. I'm gonna try and facilitate discussion and ask a lot of questions instead of just answering questions and throw my ideas out there and just create more chaos. On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. A few posts later: On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: He now thinks that same exact action is more likely to be scummy.I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. Another post I have a problem w/: On November 20 2013 13:20 cDgCorazon wrote: I've already pointed out how I think that what Sci did was way less scummy than what Mocsta did. Here's Sci's post accusing Cora:Mocsta does his verbal sparring and states his opinion clearly: While sciberia simply misreads my posts and attacks me, yet doesn't give any conclusion to his read on me. Way less direct and clear then what Mocsta did. On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: How is that not stating his opinion clearly? How is that not giving a conclusion but what he quoted from mocsta is?I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. | ||
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On November 20 2013 23:54 Mocsta wrote: I thought it was scummy but I'm feeling better about you after finishing the thread. Especially since Cora is probably my top scumread now and I don't think you make sense as his scumbuddy.JJD Did you ask me this stuff because like Onegu you think I am scum; or, were they just items of interest to you? | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:09 Mocsta wrote: [/b]JJD, The below is kinda moot: but Im just trying to prove a point. A response is probably not required. I assume the answer is an implicit "YES", but what I would like to know is whether you agreed with Sciberbia comments based on the context they are referring to [red]at that point in time I see you think Sciberbia is being candid and communicating clearly, but that does not mean the actual content is good/truthful. For example: Is referring to: I get you think Corazon is scum etc based on pages 5 to 13. However, if the two quotes above are treated in isolation: do you think that 1 post from Corazon warrants the opinion/stance Sciberbia expressed? This also ties in with my quotes that prior you took issue with. I don't think sciberbia's post was scummy. Now yeah, I agree that him thinking that cora's entrance to the thread is scummy is NOT something that he should base a read off of. And I think that this: On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote: Is a perfectly valid response. It's when cora changes that to a scumread, that I have a problem w/ it.On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:50 Rean wrote: Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff.Couldn't agree more. Also, don't shit up the thread with useless spam like the LXIII game please. I tried keeping up but the amount of shit posts just trolling/making useless jokes/comments is unbearable and makes it impossible to tell low-laying scum from trolling townies. If anyone goes around posting stupid oneliners without saying anything meaningful they have my vote >.> On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote: That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not?Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. On November 20 2013 13:14 Rean wrote: So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum".I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag. On November 20 2013 13:36 Rean wrote: @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads.Aquanim, you're constantly asking but never saying much about what you think. Gimme one town and one scum and reasons why please. On November 20 2013 15:50 Rean wrote: Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red".Smartass comment that I couldn't resist: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 15:28 Mocsta wrote:post 10 On November 20 2013 15:29 Mocsta wrote:post 12 consider getting one of these, you could use it :3 ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/4t8oM40) More seriously: Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora. In particular: + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote: He's trying to get us to tunnel each other early so he can just sit around and piggyback on town lynches and point the finger at others. This is demonstrated when he essentially copies my post asking thrawn if he was a mason (deliberately, his post was at least 2-3 minutes after mine) and then decides that he can take my words and twist them when I pressure him about it. This is what troubles me about sciberia right now. I also want to see Aquanim under a bit of pressure to see how he reacts but let's not do everything at once. And the lack of 5 people is rather disappointing still. On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him?B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind. To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? ##Vote: Rean | ||
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On November 21 2013 00:59 jampidampi wrote: That just doesn't seem like something that you would say to a person who you think is scum. It's more of a "Shape up dude, you're playing bad" as oppossed to any type of accusation.How does this give you the impression that Cora though Scib was townie? On November 21 2013 00:59 jampidampi wrote: He's put up 2 possibilities:How does this make you think Cora thought Scib was scummy? - sci doesn't understand how the early game work OR - sci understands the early game and is intentionally tryingto rock the boat To me that reads: either sci is bad town or scummy and he said he thinks it's the latter. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:20 Mocsta wrote: I believe he's saying that he has a small scum read on aqua as opposed to sci/cora whom he has a much larger scum read on.JJD, Rean can defend himself. Regarding your last criticism, to me it reads he is saying a small lean towards scum (regarding Aquanim)?? | ||
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game. So Cora, who thinks sciberia was making a calculated scum play, decides that correct thing to say about it is to tell him to stop.He then gives the person that he believes is smart scum advice on how to find scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:40 Mocsta wrote: OK now I'm confused because I thought you were basically agreeing w/ me here:I personally dont find this means Cora thinks the guy is "bad town". Its a statement that can be said to a town, null or even slightly scum read depending on your motive (i.e. to keep the peace) On November 21 2013 01:22 Mocsta wrote: JJD = JarJarDrinks His post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582¤tpage=13#249 Interprets your posts as calling sciberbia "bad town" and then progressing to "scum". Again, I think JJD interpretation is a fair call, so I would like to know the triggers between the accusations. | ||
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On November 21 2013 01:48 cDgCorazon wrote: Perhaps I could have come to that conclusion in-between my first post and the "rocking the boat" post. Well this is what I'm trying to find out. Did you not have a scum read in the first post but did in the 2nd? If so, what changed yoiur mind? On November 21 2013 01:51 Mocsta wrote: My point is that I DON'T think he was saying sci was scummy in that first post. I think he was implying that he was town.This is the post that *JJD* thinks is corazon caling scibs "bad town" Afterwards, he does the later post with rocking the boat suggest he is scummy. Like, as the accuser how can *you* get this incorrect JJD. I'm not really asking why he would make that first post if he believes sci is scum. I'm asking what changed his mind in between. ANd judging by cora's response above, it looks like I interpreted both posts corectly. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote: But that was the post you were analysing when making your "Rock the Boat" read. So if that one page of joke posting didn't give you a scum read, then what did?Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... Sorry Moc but I think these are legit questions. | ||
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On November 21 2013 02:55 Mocsta wrote: JarJar Not sure where you disappeared, but if you are lurking: can you please weigh in on Rayn. Lunch. I think rayn looks good. He seems to have similiar reads to me. I don't think there's anything scummy about what you and thrawn were pointing out. Looking into Aqua now. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:22 Rean wrote: Seems like a wierd statement.Neither before nor after he did anything about it. That's why I said it feels odd...but as I've said twice already, I want to see his response to this. Maybe you're right and he just wanted his opinion to be known. We'll know once he gets in here. What will we know exactly once he gets in here? Whether he really thinks you're scummy or whether he was lying about it? | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:50 Mocsta wrote: "Did you read the Thrawn case?" (on Aquanim) Yeah, it seems like his reason is basically because aqua isn't scumhunting. I disagree. Aqua is all over Rean for similiar reasons that I (and several others) are. He agree's w/ me on the cora/sci situation, even if he doesn't quite think it makes cora scum like I do. I mean, a huge part of thrawns case is that Aqua is accusing Rean. Which I think is a very town thing to do. | ||
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On November 21 2013 04:07 Mocsta wrote: Uh, OK I guess. What does this question accomplish?How would you feel if I thought you were the next towniest guy after thrawn? | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:51 cDgCorazon wrote: But sheeping on arguments made 15 hours ago? That's not scummy? Well, I don't think you've given a satisfactory answer to the case against you. I've been waiting for u to get back so I can hopefully hear an answer to this: On November 21 2013 02:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: But that was the post you were analysing when making your "Rock the Boat" read. So if that one page of joke posting didn't give you a scum read, then what did? | ||
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On November 21 2013 05:56 cDgCorazon wrote: I have read your filter.JJD. I'm done with that. If you fail to read my filter then I don't feel obliged to answer the same questions over and over again. No need to answer it again it you did, just please link or quote a post where you explain the reason you had a scumread on sciberia @ that point in the game that isn't because of his first post. | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:04 cDgCorazon wrote: I've explained my thinking behind those posts already. So no. Yes you explained your thinking behind those posts. ANd that thinking directly contradicts what you're saying in the post I quoted. Here's a post where you try to explain your thinking: On November 20 2013 13:43 cDgCorazon wrote: @Thrawn When I made that post, I was thinking along the lines of "I think sci's actions are looking pretty scummy." In my opinion, if he was trying to create a good town atmosphere in the start, he did a very poor job of doing so. That's why I was thinking (and still am) that sciberia is scum. Well if the page 1 posts are "mostly joke posting" then why would you think that his post is scummy for doing a poor job of creating a good town atmosphere ? You specifically say here that you would NOT have a scum read on him for his page 1 joke posting On November 21 2013 02:03 cDgCorazon wrote: Yes because I am going to have a scum read on sciberia after 1 page of mostly joke posting... So I ask again. Why did you think Sci was scummy? | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Sorry, but if you don't like the post I chose, the give me a real answer. Or point me to a better post. I asked several times. I read your filter and all of your answers are the same as the one I posted.Sorry when you said my filter I thought you meant that I read the whole filter. Read more plz | ||
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On November 21 2013 06:40 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah it better be ok because it's the last I'm answering about it. You're not reading my filter...I made several posts about where I talk about why I was suspicious of Sci. The end. You don't get to end it. Would you rather I vote for you instead of question you about it? Stop saying I'm not reading your filter because I've read it more than I've read anyone elses as evidenced by the fact that I've quoted the shit out of it. The bottom line is: - You said Sci was scummy for his page 1 post - You later said that you would not base a scum read off of page 1 posts - You refuse to acknowledge or defend the above Now I'll stop if you want and are saying you're not gonna address this anymore. But what I posted above are all facts that people should be aware of. | ||
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On November 21 2013 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the best case in this game. Really, cause I think this case sucks. @ first I read it and thought that top bolded quote was from aqua and thought "yeah, that is pretty shifty. But no shiftier than how Rean said he was gonna vote for people that post meaningless one-liners and then proceed to make a bunch of meaningless one-line posts. But that wasn't even aquanims quote. He was just agreeing w/ the general sentiment. I don't how you can see that post and believe that aqua was saying that he was always gonna vote his top scumread. | ||
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On November 21 2013 10:24 sciberbia wrote: Of the players that started posting since I went to bed last night, I think Onegu looks by far the worst. His actions look inconsistent with a town mindset. Pay close attention to what his reads are, and how what he chooses to post about is incongruous with his stated reads. + Show Spoiler [first post] + On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. In Onegu's first post, he states pretty significant scumreads on rean and Cora, both of whom have had significant heat on them today. But he spends the majority of his actual words in his post rambling about Mocsta's post count restriction, which is so irrelevant, seeing as he dropped it. Rean and Cora are rather large issues in the thread, and given that Onegu has rather significant scumreads on them, you would expect the majority of his posts to be dedicated to them, but notice how he always seems to instead ramble on about Mocsta. + Show Spoiler [Onegu] + On November 20 2013 22:39 Onegu wrote: Umm I think you are scum with rean. Catching scum would be my motive. On November 20 2013 22:44 Onegu wrote: That and his early post about giving scum reads to like the only three people who posted. Plus his thread control doesnt seem natural, its like he saw he could do it as scum but wasnt planning on doing it but he did it anyway. Ill give more when Im back home. On November 21 2013 01:49 Onegu wrote: Ok I am home and put my son to sleep so Im getting out my notebook rereading everything and will be back with you shortly, also I basicly agree with everything JJD has said so far minus a small bit of the cora stuff, but the rean and mocsta stuff yeah. But he took back his mospcsta scum read :/. Also I didnt read anyone being a douche to you mocsta so just stop already. On November 21 2013 03:37 Onegu wrote: @MOCSTA 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. You can tell a lot about a player's alignment by looking at what they choose to post about. It doesn't make a lot of sense for town!Onegu to be spending all his posts on Mocsta, even pulling up really old (now somewhat irrelevent) posts from Mocsta and breaking them down, when he has stated strong scumreads on Rean and Corazon, both of which he may actually be able to get lynched today. Is he even pushing a Mocsta lynch? No. He's not actively pushing for anything at all. He doesn't seem to think Mocsta is scum anymore than he thinks Rean and Cora are scum, so it looks to me like he just wanted to stay away from the Rean and Cora wagons for one reason or another, and in order to still look like he was doing something complained a lot about Mocsta. It doesn't add up. I think he could be the best lynch today. Need to reread Aquanim, Cora, and Rean. Not sure who I want to lynch most. In the meantime I'd appreciate some other thoughts on Onegu. I have no problem w/ Onegas first post. WHat he said about Mocsta being scum if he didn't retract his post limit. Seemed like a perfectly fine thing to talk about. I was thinking the exact same thing And I think he's right in that we shouldn't be giving Mocsta a definate townread since he's done some scummy stuff this game. But I do agree w/ you that he needs to get off mocsta cause he's not getting lynched today, and start pushing his other reads some more. | ||
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What's your read on Rean right now? Do you think he's a bad lynch today? | ||
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I'd also be down w/ killing a lurker. First instinct tells me jampi is the best lurker lynch but I'll read up more tomorrow. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:26 Rean wrote: How many fucking posts will I have to answer where people make statements WITHOUT READING THE FUCKING POST THEY'RE QUOTING. I, in exact words say I'm not trying to defend Cora and you see that as admitting to defending him? I was pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic because I didn't want him to use poor arguments that Cora could easily deflect. Is this wrong in your eyes? And your "it's not like he says", both things are the fucking same just differently worded. You can say you weren't trying to defend cora. But you were. Moc made an argument and you said it was flawed. There's no other way to interpret that. And you didn't even point out what you didn't like about mocstas case. WHy did you think that Moc was falling into the trap? How could cora have easily deflected his argument? By saying "Your logic is flawed because you think I'm scum." ? | ||
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what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic". But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: I keep coming up w/ better ways to phrase what I'm asking. My real question is this:Not sure if my point came across there. what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic". But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. Why when you read Mocs case did you think that he might be falling into that trap? How come you didn't read it and think "that makes sense", especially since you had a scumread on cora? bed now for me too | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:55 Rean wrote: It's not defending him, it's making sure Cora can't defend himself as easily by making sure the arguments are solid. As for your second point, when you quoted the post where "I defend Cora", did you happen to notice that the reason for my comment on Mocsta's post was in the same damn post right below what you quoted? With further explanation in the next post when Mocsta asks me about it? OK right, this sentence: "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red." I guess I forgot about that. You did give a reason. It just seems like a strange thing to say about someone you're reading as scum. If it's a legitimate point then he's not scum. | ||
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On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: <3 you man. Pretty much my reads exactly. Though I'd probably move Scib and Onegu up to the green group. Rayn has fallen way down for me from his early game. If I was gonna remove anyone from the reds, Rayne would probably take their place.The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} The only thing troubling, and I think you touched on this earlier, I'm not sure if I'm crazy about a Rean/Cora scumteam. Would need to reread a bunch but I think that can be worried about after the flip. | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:21 jampidampi wrote: Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him.How does admitting mistakes make someone town? You seem quite certain that he is in fact town. | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##UnvoteIf anyone thinks these posts come from a townie vote for me. Otherwise vote for Mocsta. ##Vote: Rayn | ||
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On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is he going against what he suggested?I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago. He said "Do you honestly think you can say enough people for who-ever your counter wagon is? If not, the townie thing to do is secure a Rean lynch - whether you like it or not." He obviously can get a majority for you. All he was saying is that it isn't townie to let the lynch fizzle due to no majority. | ||
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Jampi is scummy because he didn't jump on a vote for you when you made yourself so lynchable. And Mocs is scummy because he did jump on a vote for you for that exact reason Am I getting that right??? | ||
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On November 22 2013 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you are not getting that right. But it's irrelevant. On November 21 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I just proved you wrong. And you are going against what you suggested ~10min ago. On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do. I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum. Explain what I'm misinterpreting please | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:07 Onegu wrote: Yeah I commented on how terrible the case was too. Let alone the best case in the game. ANd furthermore, how good of a case can it be if he now doesn't think aqua is scum anymore.Because this is terrible rayn, remember how I was talkimg about if rayn believes in his cases or not makes him scum or town. Yeah there is no way rayn believes this. After in WC I didnt vote my top scumread as town, he knows town do this, yes oir reasons are different but aquas reason is believeable as it was less than 12 hours into day 1. | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are misrepresenting me. I said that because i wanted Aquanim to respond to me regarding that. Onegu is also misrepresenting me. He claims to be good at reading me but he fails to see my point regarding my statement. My point on that is not what i said there. It is what Aquanim answered me. My original argument was: "You are contradicting yourself because you are not voting for your top scumread while earlier you said you agree with doing so always" First he gave a answer where he said this: "I wanted to gain reaction from Rean, that's why i voted for him instead of Corazon" Then i say this: "That's weak, i never asked why you voted for Rean, you didn't vote for your top scumread." Then he changes his story into: "But i never really agreed with voting my top scumread but instead i agreed with bla bla bla..." He is giving different answers to the same question when it's certainly clear to him what i am arguing about. He changes his answer when the first one does not please the accuser. | ||
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try again On November 22 2013 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are misrepresenting me. I said that because i wanted Aquanim to respond to me regarding that. Onegu is also misrepresenting me. He claims to be good at reading me but he fails to see my point regarding my statement. My point on that is not what i said there. It is what Aquanim answered me. My original argument was: "You are contradicting yourself because you are not voting for your top scumread while earlier you said you agree with doing so always" First he gave a answer where he said this: "I wanted to gain reaction from Rean, that's why i voted for him instead of Corazon" Then i say this: "That's weak, i never asked why you voted for Rean, you didn't vote for your top scumread." Then he changes his story into: "But i never really agreed with voting my top scumread but instead i agreed with bla bla bla..." He is giving different answers to the same question when it's certainly clear to him what i am arguing about. He changes his answer when the first one does not please the accuser. SO why do'nt you think he's scum anymore? | ||
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On November 22 2013 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: I could possibly vote for Aquanim aswell On November 21 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would vote for Aquanim over Rean anyday but i don't think he is scum either. Unless thrawn is town, in which case he should swithc his vote on Aqua/Bereft/Onegu right now because those are the scummiest people in thread. Why even suggest aqua again? Just go ahead and say it: You'll vote for for anyone that keeps yourself or Rean from being lynched. | ||
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On November 22 2013 02:31 Bereft wrote: He's trying to say that Mocs use of the word before means that Moc is saying that if rayn is lynched to day it will be a mislynch.I don't see how mocsta's question is a scum claim. he's giving you the opportunity to get some benefit of the doubt. which is pretty generous IMO. It's a total misrepresentation of what Moc is saying. Like I could ask you "Have you ever been skydiving before?" even if we aren't currently skydiving. | ||
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On November 22 2013 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Just because look at the last line. At the time of the comment Mocsta was dead set on lynching me, had his vote on me and wouldn't listen to any other argument. So the " even if we aren't currently skydiving" is a laughable misrepresentation from JarJar. What are you talking about? You were trying to imply that Moc asking this question: "Have you been mislynched before?" meant the same as: "Is this the first time you're being mislynched?" That is a total misrepresentation. | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:00 cDgCorazon wrote: I wanted to lynch Rean. Rayn decided jump on the grenade. And now he pretty much wants to lynch ANYONE else. This lynch is so stupid. I can't believe you guys let Mocsta take you by the balls and vote out Rayn just because they were having an ego fight. I think him "marytring" himself is bullshit. As evidenced by the fact that he only kept his vote on himself for a little bit and unvoted as soon as Onegu voted for mocsta so he could see if he could get people to rally behind that lynch. Even though he had just said 8 minutes prior "I actually wanna get lynched and i am willing to lynch myself" | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol. So I should be voting for Rean even though my vote wouid be totally wasted there instead of for you who is also a scumread of mine?If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me. /dunked | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think that's what you're trying to do. I think you're trying to not get either of you lynched. Like I've been saying, you don't care who gets lynched, as long as it isn't one of you 2.Also if you seriously think i would lynch myself over Rean (if we were scumbuddies) you are out of your mind. | ||
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On November 22 2013 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all that's not what your posts imply. You did not vote for me for defending Rean. You voted me for something else. If you think i am scum because of defending him that can't possibly be true if Rean is not scum. Therefore you should be voting for Rean and not me. /dunked ##Unvote: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks also this is the post I made right before I changed my vote to you: On November 21 2013 23:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: So yes I sure as heck DID imply that I thought your defense or Rean was scummy.Especially since Rayn had a scumread on Rean earlier in the day. Basically the fact that Rean admitted he made a mistake makes Rayn switch from thinking he's scum, to balls out hardcore defending him. wanna try again? | ||
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On November 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: My original case on Rean:[*]He talks about anything but why Rean is scum, all he says is "all other cases are crap" + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 01:12 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, so I think Rean looks pretty bad too. Like really bad. Almost every one of his posts seem scummy to me. Says nothing about the game. Makes an empty threat. Posts completely obvious stuff. That's not what he thinks of Mocsta. That's telling us how Mocsta has been acting. It's a recap and nothing more. Did he really think that Bereft was asking how Mocsta was acting and NOT whether he though he scummy or not? So Aqua follows up and he give a very non-committal answer of "probably town but could be scum". @ least aqua is asking stuff. Rean never asked a question or gave any read, aside from the non read I posted above after he was asked TWICE. All his posts were stating the obvious/answering questions unrelated to reads. Now here he seems to defend cora. He said earlier that he liked coras case on sci. He tells Moc that he's falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap. And then again w/ the same non-committal read he gave Mocsta with "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red". So apparently, he now has a scumread from cora? Wasn't he JUST defending him? ##Vote: Rean On November 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me, interacting w/ Rean:[*]How JJD treats his scumread Rean. He never interacts with him + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 13:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: You can say you weren't trying to defend cora. But you were. Moc made an argument and you said it was flawed. There's no other way to interpret that. And you didn't even point out what you didn't like about mocstas case. WHy did you think that Moc was falling into the trap? How could cora have easily deflected his argument? By saying "Your logic is flawed because you think I'm scum." ? On November 21 2013 13:47 JarJarDrinks wrote: Not sure if my point came across there. what I'm saying is, you said that you were "pointing out a mistake in Mocsta's logic". But saying that Moc is falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap is NOT a flaw in logic. It could explain why Moc was using faulty logic. But it's not a mistake in logic itself. On November 21 2013 13:52 JarJarDrinks wrote: I keep coming up w/ better ways to phrase what I'm asking. My real question is this: Why when you read Mocs case did you think that he might be falling into that trap? How come you didn't read it and think "that makes sense", especially since you had a scumread on cora? bed now for me too On November 21 2013 14:03 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK right, this sentence: "seems like a legitimate point to me rather than a scum-slip. But it could be a way of distancing himself from Scib if he flips red." I guess I forgot about that. You did give a reason. It just seems like a strange thing to say about someone you're reading as scum. If it's a legitimate point then he's not scum. On November 22 2013 06:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Me, trying to convince people Rean is scum:[*]He never tries to convince anyone Rean is scum + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: @moc What's your read on Rean right now? Do you think he's a bad lynch today? On November 21 2013 23:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Jampi, what do you think of Rean? On November 21 2013 23:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: So I take that to mean that if it's clear that aqua isn't gonna get lynched then you'd be happy to move your vote to Rean so we can get a majority? | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look. I am really sure bot Rean and Jampidampi are town. Rean i have given my reasons on. Jampidampi because of his stance on me. Look how i went batshit crazy on him He stayed calm, he did not take the easy way out of saying "yeah rayn is scum, fuck you martyr shitting up the thread". Instead he said "i know what you did in NWM, you do this stuff, why am i scum according to you?". That was so really townie. WHAT??? That was the exact reason you gave him a scumread earlier. You basically said that he was scum because he should be voting for you for shitting up the thread. On November 22 2013 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Jampidampi that's a really bad post and there was no townie motivation behind my last 10 posts (towards anyone else than Mocsta - who i should probably realize is incapable to see the point anyways, my bad) because that's what i was trying to do. I can't find any reasons why you should have not voted for me unless you know i am town and therefore scum. | ||
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On November 22 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah you have no idea how i play. But your vote is on me and you are scum so idgaf. WTF kind of response is this? I point out a direct contridiction and your response is "you have no idea how i play". WTF does that even mean? How you play is that you give someone a scumread and then use that exact same reasoning later to give them a townread? | ||
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Gonna reread Onegu but I haven't thought he was scum @ all this game so I doubt that's gonna change. Not crazy about Holyflare so gonna look close @ him. Also gonna look into Rayns other scumreads though I don't know how much stock I can put into them because of how wrong he was about me. But I don't feel like he could really go 0 for 3 in his reads so if I had to choose 1 scum between Moc and Bereft, right now I'm gonna say it's Moc. But this is before my reread. | ||
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On November 22 2013 23:26 Aquanim wrote: Now I wouldn't normally pre-empt an answer like this, but I'm pretty sure I already asked this question and Corazon already answered... in the posts directly after the quoted one. @Onegu, JJD: Do you find Corazon's explanation here insufficient? I think that you pointing out that it was pretty damn close to exactly what he did was spot on. Cora said he was transparent about his reasons while Onegu wasn't. Here's both of their posts telling us that Rayn was a bad wagon: On November 22 2013 04:33 Onegu wrote: Anyway mocsta is my biggest scumread now. Also Rayn is a terrible lynch today please change, ill try to be up for deadline but no promises. Anyway its 2:30am and typeing all that up on a tablet is difficult. ##VOTE:Mocsta @Rayn stop marytring and come back and push your reads. On November 22 2013 11:28 cDgCorazon wrote: You know what, I don't want any part of this. Rayn and Moc are just battling with their egos and this whole thing is silly. I would say that I'd rather have Rayn be lynched so we can move on to more things but I also think it is really stupid that we are voting Rayn out when it's pretty obvious to me now that he is town. ##unvote ##Vote: No-lynch This is stupid and I can't believe that it has come to this. Rayn is a bad lynch and Onegu/Aqua are way better lynches today. And in response to this: On November 22 2013 12:20 cDgCorazon wrote: Wouldn't it make sense for Onegu to put a vote on Moc in the middle of the Rayn tunnel to look like he was making an effort to scum-hunt and then be able to distance himself from a Rayn lynch? I mean, it's exactly what Cora did except w/ Onegu. The only difference is Cora didn't actually put his vote on anyone. | ||
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On November 23 2013 00:02 Mocsta wrote: This just seems like such fake indignation.I don't get this. how am I not playing town that people like jarjar think I am a chance to flip scum? Here's what I said. On November 22 2013 22:23 JarJarDrinks wrote: Also gonna look into Rayns other scumreads though I don't know how much stock I can put into them because of how wrong he was about me. But I don't feel like he could really go 0 for 3 in his reads so if I had to choose 1 scum between Moc and Bereft, right now I'm gonna say it's Moc. But this is before my reread. And Rayn, the confirmed town, thought u were scum. Shouldn't you be more incredulous of that as opposed to me? It'd be stupid to just ignore what rayn had to say. I think it's unlikely that he missed the whole scum team w/ his reads. So it makes sense that @ least ONE of the people he named is scum. And since I have the benefit of narrowing it down to 2 names, I'm certainly gonna analyse it. The fact that you think that rayn was completly wrong w/ all of his reads and gave me AND bereft townreads after the flip is suspicious to me. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Um. wouldn't scum be more inclined to have him flip green ASAP if his reads were wrong?The only reason I could see scum trying to lynch Rayn is if his reads were right. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:30 Holyflare wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. You say he "screw[ed] up the thread" as we saw. But no one listened to him at all. So why would scum care to have him leave the thread if he's shitting it up AND no one is listening to him? Once he's gone, the town knows all his reads are real.Yes, rayn pushes any target he has forever, wrong or right. If he's alive he can screw up the thread in that respect (as you guys saw). If his reads were wrong a scum team that knows him would keep him alive. So most likely his reads were right and he got lynched ("policy lynched") for it. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:41 cDgCorazon wrote: So then how could you say that Scum would want to lynch rayn if his reads were right? They should want to keep him in the game no matter what. But especially if his reads were right.Yes but the town atmosphere for the last 12 hours of the game was absolutely terrible. If we had no-lynched Rayn would still an issue and we would waste D2 on it. I guarantee that. | ||
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On November 23 2013 02:50 cDgCorazon wrote: No No No that's not what you said. It was the opposite in fact. U said if Rayns reads were right they should want to kill him UNLESS scum is bad. Well I also said the scum could be misreading the game. That would be possible especially if they have been lurking and not posting in the thread. Here's the post: On November 23 2013 02:06 cDgCorazon wrote: @JJD If I was scum in that situation, what would I do? I would have 2 goals: 1. Keep Rayn alive 2. Not change my story in my attempt to keep Rayn alive The only reason I could see scum trying to lynch Rayn is if his reads were right. So either: 1. All the scum did not vote for Rayn 2. Rayn's reads are at least somewhat correct (at least 1 is scum) 3. The scumteam is just bad To be fair to Onegu, he said that he was not able to make a post before the deadline but to be honest I looked at the time for Australia and I really believe that Onegu could have made a post that said "Hey guys, I don't think Rayn is scum. I'm sticking with my vote" which would have made me accept his vote more. The fact that he didn't kind of points to the fact that he doesn't care about the lynch, a sentiment that has been echoed by many players here. | ||
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So I think we should all just assume that scum attack was foiled. Whether or not it was a HF heal or something else, we can't be sure. HF made his claim 17 minutes before the deadline. More than enough time for scum to change it's target. So I think the shooter was roleblocked. I think we should discuss a potential roleclaim from anyone w/ a roleblocking role. Would love to hear opinions on it. And Holy, can u post ur flavor please? | ||
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On November 23 2013 12:35 Aquanim wrote: Oh OK. Totally forgot that. Please disregard my last post.Scum have the power to withhold their shot and use it tomorrow. Can you tihnk of a particularly good reason why they wouldn't choose to do this? | ||
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On November 23 2013 10:55 cDgCorazon wrote: Yeah. I would definitely not throw out the possibility that 2 scum were off the lynch. Not quite a scumslip, but pretty close I think. Cora posted quite a bit about how Onegu was likley scum because of how he voted. He made a post right before the flip where he wrote his name in red caps 3 times and then he made several posts after about how scummy he was. So how exactly can someone who believes that say "I think if there was a scum OFF the Rayn lynch, it is very likely to be [Jampi]." His brain shouldn't even be able to process that sentence. He tries to cover it up when questioned by saying: Yeah I meant BESIDES Onegu. But you would think that he wouldn't forget his top scum read. | ||
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On November 24 2013 00:36 cDgCorazon wrote: OK, so now you're OK w/ policy lynching but yesterday you refused to vote for Rayn even thoughI'm done. I'm absolutely done. From now on, I'm just going to vote everyone who nitpicks my posts for no reason. Fuck you guys. On November 23 2013 02:41 cDgCorazon wrote: ... the town atmosphere for the last 12 hours of the game was absolutely terrible. If we had no-lynched Rayn would still an issue and we would waste D2 on it. I guarantee that. ????? So why again did you vote no-lynch yesterday? _____________________________________________ On November 24 2013 00:58 cDgCorazon wrote: Go back to your QT and figure out a way not to get lynched, idiot. Why would you call Onegu an idiot if you believe he's scum? Let's say I believe that you're town. Do you think that scum shouldn't try to get townies lynched? | ||
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On November 24 2013 09:57 Holyflare wrote: What's up? Mind posting ur flavor? | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:54 Holyflare wrote: Are you scum trying to out doctors when there is quite clearly one here? I think multiple docs is unlikely. I'm trying to figure out why cora doesn't buy your claim. | ||
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On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote: Don't make it like I'm asking people to just roleclaim their role. I think it would be unlikely to have 2 docs so I asked cora to claim doc if that's the reason he hasn't bought the claim from the begining. Trading a doc claim to catch scum is worth it. Especially if scum probably would suspect him (which they would).and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. Saying that I "asked other people to claim" is a lie. I asked ONE person to conditionally claim. | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:01 thrawn2112 wrote: citation neededyou insist on outing every single roll | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:05 thrawn2112 wrote: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks I might can do the Onegu thing but I need to reaffirm my position on him. I am much more confident about JarJar for the reasons I posted in the "notes" spoiler and what I said in my last quote. Are you Fn kidding me? + Show Spoiler + On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote: -jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: Uh no. It's not sarcasm because you said the same thing in your "case" against me?Making an issue over obvious sarcasm is scummy. On November 24 2013 11:56 thrawn2112 wrote: So were you being sarcastinc there too? If not, please explain why you lied.-jarjar... don't like his posts, and haven't liked them for awhile now ever since I read what rayn said about him. i don't like his focus on cora or how he goes about it and I don't like how much he likes talking about hf's claim. i dont like how he thinks getting hf to post flavor is alignment indicative (almost all hosts provide fake claims) and I don't like that he asked other people to claim to try and confirm hf's story. scum | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:17 thrawn2112 wrote: This can't be a real case right? This is more sarcasm I assume?townie "the thing you did is suspicious" scummy "the thing you did is suspicious to me" Reason? It's forced and fake. "Is suspicious" is more aggressive/confrontational, or townie. When you say something "is suspicious" you are saying that something is suspicious. You are trying to make a point to everyone else in the thread that X person is scummy for X reasons. When you say something "is suspicious to me" you are allowing that maybe it's not that suspicious, but it is to you. It's also forced and fake because it's too many words. When you want to say something there is a natural way of saying it, and natural ways of saying things have a lower word-count than ways of saying things thought up by somebody who is lying. | ||
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On November 24 2013 12:59 thrawn2112 wrote: The word scummy is different. Here's the most common defination of suspicious:No that's legit. That guy was mafia. When people use more words than needed to say something as simple as "I think this is scummy" and turn it into "My read is that this is scummy in my opinion" it strongly suggests that their posts and thoughts are unnatural, or faked. + Show Spoiler + sus·pi·cious /səˈspiSHəs/ adjective 1. having or showing a cautious distrust of someone or something. "he was suspicious of her motives" "the thing you did is suspicious" Would mean that "the thing" is feeling distrustful of someone or something. Now yes, that is not the only context that suspicious can be used. But it was the context I was using it in. | ||
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On November 24 2013 13:21 Aquanim wrote: I'm saying it looks like he's voting for me right now simply because thread sentiment has turned against me. I mean check this:@JJD: Are you seriously asserting that Mocsta's overall gameplan this game is to look for a wagon to sheep? Please give evidence if this is so. + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 14:49 Mocsta wrote: Guys, Im about 60% through my re-read (so up to about p20) - taking a breather and only skimmed the content since Bereft voted ?rean? Firstly, we need to start consolidating a vote as 7 is required to secure a lynch. Next, this is my group of strong town reads from p5 -> p20 {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Rayn} Yes, I do not think Aquanim is scum anymore. I think he has a different mentality and Thrawn and myself misinterpreted his intentions. Aquanim has actually been very open and transparent in a confused/wishy-washy manner; as opposed to wishy-washy in an intentionally misleading manner. This is my group of tentative town reads from p5->p20 (i.e. people i dont have interest to lynch this cycle) {Corazon, Bereft, Onegu, LoneMeow} Yes, Onegu is here. In hindsight it would be suicide as scum to come out and say he had a scum read on me and Thrawn. Unless his mission was to shit the thread, which I think is grasping at straws. I egged Onegu so will accept responsiblity for getting him to tunnel me. Thus, this is my pile of shit left over: for todays lynch {Rean, Sciberbia, jampidampi} (Currently, i actually think these 3 *are* the scum team too) Rean already has traction, so lets hit the 7 with him. ##Vote: Rean On November 21 2013 17:25 Mocsta wrote: Read the whole game. Updated reads list: The Good: {Thrawn, JarJarDrinks, Aquanim, Bereft} The Bad: {Onegu, LoneMeow, Rayn, Sciberbia} The Ugly: {Rean, jampidampi, Corazon} On November 22 2013 09:33 Mocsta wrote: This is a good post too. Even if rayn was town, there is no reason for aqua to articulate himself like this as rayn is ripe for the picking. The jjd case was possibly the biggest pile of crap I have read in this game. On November 23 2013 10:59 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn Very quick. In phone thoughts with no reread Jjd Still town. I like the way he kept pushing Corazon about a point. He's always backing himself up with filter so good consistency. I don't like that he assumed rayn could be right about Me.. but. Town can make those snap calls all the time. Plus jjd was suspicious of me at the start so I think there is progression to his comment. Still town Bereft Yeah I'm a little concerned went into a big spiel to justify rayn lynch. Um not sorry about it. I'm not really sure the town motive to give that spiel as bereft wasn't under pressure to justify actions. I'm not sure if bereft is a townie that wanted to policy lynch rayn but doesn't want to admit. Or is scum hiding behind policy and again doesn't want to admit it. Inoe that onegu presented the quote where bereft thinks onegu case wasn't on me but Cora.. I have to think about it. Iverlall I would say that tell is null because that onegu case was so poorly formatted abd constructed it's message was never clear. Will give bereft benefit of the doubt and say slight town lean. If anything is not worth considering when people like holy abd onegu are alive Lastly I did not like how onegu addressed me over night. Seemed almost like a begging for forgiveness yonr. If onegu really thought I was scum I would have expected more venom. Food for thought. Gotta go. Sorry I couldn't be of more use Yeah I get that peoples reads can change. But that's a pretty huge change. And heck that last post was from this cycle. | ||
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On November 24 2013 14:45 Mocsta wrote: Pretty sure I end up defending my weekend inactivity in every game I play. The majority of the time I get to mafia is weekdays @ work. I do what I can on weekends.You were one of the people I was expecting to drive the thread this cycle, so I Also check again. I didn't delurks when voted. I rejoined the thread before thrawn made his case/voted. | ||
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I hate when people bring irl stuff into mafia so unless someone really wants to know what I was doing, I'll just say that I was only able to follow by phone and only barely as opposed to being in front of my computer following closely. I get 8 solid hours each weekday to mafia while @ work and the rest of the time I try to keep up but my activity goes way down. In other words, my activity in this game mirrors my activity in every game of mafia I've ever played here, whether scum or town. | ||
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On November 24 2013 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote: OK, go back and reread and then come back and explain to the town that this did not happen. That's the 2nd time you've posted a lie to make me look scummy.JJD hasn't done anything. Lately he's thrown dirt on Cora, Mocsta, and spent a lot of time talking about HF's claim which would be an easy thing for scum to talk about. He's not talking to people trying to convince them of his reads, and as Mocsta pointed out his delurk timing to defend himself after I randomly voted him doesn't look good. Combine that with what someone just pointed out about his actions leading up the lynch and I think there's a pretty obvious pattern suggesting that he doesn't actually care about discussion or helping town trying to figure out who to lynch. | ||
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On November 24 2013 22:33 sciberbia wrote: Because it looked like the lynch was a sure thing so I saw no need. When I saw cora unvote and it looked like there might be a mislynch, I was pissed and posted to show that. I just didn't have the time to post a whole lot. And why would I need to since I posted a whole ton of shit against rayn throughout the day? My opinion about the lynch should have been clear.@JJD Also even if you were posting from your phone, why didn't you at least give a brief opinion on what you thought about the lynch? Were you confident about a rayn lynch the entire time? If so why didn't you try to reassure everyone that it was the right move? | ||
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On November 24 2013 22:29 sciberbia wrote: I've read though Onegu filter a bunch of times now and I never come away thinking he's scum. We were scumbuddies once and though we won, I wasn,t paticularly impressed w/ his scum play. If onegu's scum here, he's playing it so much better than in our game.@JJD Have you reread Onegu and HolyFlare? What are your conclusions? Who do you want to lynch today? I've read through HF and he come's off as scummy to me. But the Doc claim makes no sense for scum. That's why, as thrawn pointed, I spent a lot of time talking the claim. I'd probably like to lynch the guy that just replaced in and dropped a random vote w/ like no explaination. And I'm sure someone will say something along the lines of "OMG scum just wants to go after the easy target", but whatever. Jampi was a scummy lurker and it's gonna be forever (barring a scumslip or something) before we get enough on the new guy. | ||
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On November 24 2013 23:34 Mocsta wrote: that aside, I find it odd given jjd case on rean that he would not request a lurker lynch on rean. maybe its because he hasn't been replaced yet, but still odd in general. That's exactly the reason. Rean might get modkilled. I really wish that it was Rean that got replaced because that would easily be my vote. Furthermore, I tend to think that if there was scum and town that both needed replacement, the mod would rather replace the scum if he had to choose 1. now gotta for a bit but will be back to explain why you're thoery about me bussing Rean is terrible. | ||
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On November 24 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: I'm considering jjd sensed rean was going down and bussed him. On November 24 2013 23:57 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here ya go:now gotta for a bit but will be back to explain why you're thoery about me bussing Rean is terrible. I didn't reread everything prior to my Rean case, but I skimmed and I don't think that it was @ all evident that Rean was going down. Assumming vote counts are correct and in order, I was the 2nd person to vote for rean. And then yeah, I questioned Cora a bunch after that, but I never wanted to take my vote off rean untill rayn held the town hostage. In fact on a few occasions, I was asked about other people and I was all like "Naw bro. I like my vote where it is". You'd think I'd be looking for some excuse to move my vote but I kept on keeping on no matter what. - I was asked (by you) about rayns (now confirmed town) first batch of posts and I said I thought he looked good to me. - everyone was all over aqua and I said I didn't find him scummy. I even told rayn how terrible I thought his case was. - Sciberia posted a case on Onegu and I defended him - I asked you what you thought about Rean because you hadn't comment much on him + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 11:07 JarJarDrinks wrote: @moc What's your read on Rean right now? Do you think he's a bad lynch today? - Then I posted this: + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 13:30 JarJarDrinks wrote: Hey guys, can't post much tonight. Will have a bunch to say tomorrow. Still think Rean is the best lynch and I really hate all the alternate wagons. I'd also be down w/ killing a lurker. First instinct tells me jampi is the best lurker lynch but I'll read up more tomorrow. - I then argued more against Rean - When Jampi showed up, I asked him about Rean and then specifically tried to direct his vote there + Show Spoiler + On November 21 2013 23:18 JarJarDrinks wrote: So I take that to mean that if it's clear that aqua isn't gonna get lynched then you'd be happy to move your vote to Rean so we can get a majority? If that's a bus then it's the most dedicated bus in history. | ||
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On November 25 2013 08:31 thrawn2112 wrote: Speaking of JJD's agenda, what is it? What has he done during D2? He has thrown suspicion on you and mocsta but he hasn't pushed either of those lynches. Yeah, my day 2 has not been good. I've already defended my weekend activity. But it's not just that. I don't like ANY of the cases I've seen. You say I've thrown suspicion on cora and and mocsta but haven't pushed the cases. I wasn't intending to throw suspicion, I was just trying to find scum because I don't have many scumreads right now. Which is why I want to vote for the Jampi or Rean slot. Preferably Rean. I don't have all that much on them but I already posted my case on Rean. We were all ready to vote him out yesterday when rayn blew up. Has anything changed? ##Vote: Alakaslam | ||
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On November 25 2013 10:31 sciberbia wrote: Unless scum is all lurkers. I think it's a totally natural thought process that if all the active players are reading town to me that I'd want to lynch one of the lurkers.This thought process does not seem townie to me. He didn't like any of the cases in the thread, so therefore lynch a lurker? I dunno. I think the natural townie response when you don't like any of the current cases is to go find scum yourself. And sorry but I just don't have the time to commit on the weekends. I don't really want to say that if you don't lynch me today then I'll be plenty active tomorrow because I know it sounds scummy but it's true. When I'm @ work is when I can commit alot of time. | ||
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What is more viable. A jjd lynch or no lynch??QUOTE]Don't Fn no-lynch. If you don't like my lynch then switch to Rean. Don't y'all wanna know what all that vote movement onto Rayn meant? | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:25 Mocsta wrote: For you jjd 30min till lynch. Please have a go at this one. Well I know YOU don't want to hear it but I think that if Rean is Red then Thrawn probably is too. When pressure started to form on Rean, Thrawn tried real hard to get people on aqua. When that failed and it looked like Rean was headed toward the lynch, he totally 180ed: On November 21 2013 07:33 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn is aight for now. so is corazon and jarjar. ofc moc is conf town i'll take any odds that there's a scum in aqua/rean and if it's only one of them it's 100% aqua. i reread rean and his play is way scummier than i remember thinking it was at the time i became convinced about aqua everyone else is currently difficult to read i will resume tryharding and using punctuation/capitalization when I return but for now this is lazy reads ver 1.0. i am very busy today and might not be able to post again till tomorrow (like at least + 12 hrs from now) toodles and then he changed his vote, there were already like 5 votes on rean @ that point. It makes no sense that he would think Rean is scum because part of his aqua case is because of aquas attack on Rean. He just didn't want to be left off the scumwagon. Then as soon as Rayn gave him a excuse to move his vote, he switched off and started the movement towards rayn. Sorry this is all coming so late but I do want to give u guys something before I die. | ||
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On November 25 2013 11:50 Onegu wrote: Here you also show JJD was bussing rean, then you are gone and slam joins looks at most recent stuff and sees you ok to vote rean. I think Moc is also very likely to be scum if Rean is. Him and thrawn BOTH got off Rean him pretty quickly. And it's wierd that he would post a bus case preflip. | ||
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On December 03 2013 14:32 Aquanim wrote: I personally think lynching the slot that hadn't posted in 48+ hours is autoplay here. ESPECIALLY when the slot was the leading wagon on day 1 when he should have been lynched. JarJarDrinks Your lynch was unfortunate, but at that point in the game a townie was almost certainly going to get lynched; to lynch scum we'd have had to find Sciberbia (a comparatively active player) and lynch him, lynch an uncounterclaimed doctor in Holyflare, or lynch a slot which hadn't posted for 48+ hours. Your number came up on the dice rather than Onegu's. Sorry. I hated the fact that that town sentiment was me or Onegu since Onegu was always a town-read for me this game. On December 03 2013 16:41 Aquanim wrote: I think If I would have been able to get active about a half day sooner, I get myself out of the lynch. You could tell by the time the deadline came, most of the town wasn't comfortable killing me anymore.(JarJar's position was quite awkward since I believe he wasn't around for most of D2 to defend himself. Therefore, I don't blame him - but even if his absense wasn't his fault, that didn't help us stop a mislynch.) | ||
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Being a dick to every one that won't listen to you is pretty terrible and can only hurt the town. EVEN IF YOU WERE CORRECT IN WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. But that fact that you were so completely wrong and still acted like such a douche is just ridiculous. The reason people weren't listing is because your case wasn't good. And faking a redcheck on a townie and then getting all pissed when the town lynches scum instead just puts you in another stratosphere of awfulness. To reiterate: You got pissed off that town lynched scum instead of your scumread WHO WAS TOWN!!! I think people would be hard-pressed to find a worse game played by a townie. I can't believe you're actually trying to defend your play by blaming other people. | ||
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