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Ok here's the information you need to see people, good information, reasons that bereft is scum.
Firstly, bereft mentions in his post here:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 28 2013 02:13 Bereft wrote:alright cora, I really didn't want to claim. we haven't solved this game yet and could use mafia wasting a KP. but if you won't listen to reason maybe you'll listen to COLD HARD FACTS. I know for a fact HF is not town because I'm the veteran. think about it - why do you think as soon as you claimed blue I became so confident in my HF read? I knew there was no chance in hell we had 3 blue roles in the game. and between you and HF, HF was lying. why do you think I was so paranoid about a red power role affecting your cop check? I knew if there was a vet AND a cop in the game, there being a red power role is a certainty. why do you think I asked HF to post his flavor and immediately knew that gmarshal didn't write it as soon as I saw it? it's completely different than mine, the blue role isn't bolded, half of it is a run on sentence... why else would HF not post his flavor as soon as he claimed vet? I'd bet all my TL dollars he was desperately waiting for gmarshal to send him some fluff and had to churn something out under the gun. Show nested quote +Original Message From GMarshal:
Welcome to Back to the Basics Mini Mafia! You are James Joseph Bulger a Mob Boss (Veteran). You are the leader of the local racketeering business, and for a price your organization will protect your clients from competition, thieves, and the police. Your importance to the organization gives you the ability to evade the police for one night. If targeted by the police, your right-hand minion will shield you from any attempts to shoot or arrest you, protecting you from one kp. You will be told if there was an attempt on your life. Don't let your minions sacrifice themselves in vain - flush out the cops! I'm serving you a scummer on a silver platter right now. please don't throw away the game because you are too proud. the Greeks have a word for this - it's called hubris.
He says that as soon as cora posted that he was blue that he knew for a fact that I was lying and was 100% scum.
On November 26 2013 23:59 Bereft wrote:
I was entertaining the idea that onegu was framed or a miller, but the way onegu and HF are reacting makes me feel pretty good that they are scum together. however I do have some lingering paranoia - would you guys be willing to humor me and vote HF out first? there's a tiny chance onegu was framed or is a miller, but about a 0% chance HF is actually a doctor.
That is quite clearly reflected here. However, if he was so sure that cora was a blue role (well he is "sure" because he has admitted several times that cora is town) then why was he so hesitant to trust the other blue's claim on onegu? (Hint: onegu is probably scum too). Not only does he succesfully setup an onegu save he gets to lynch off the current claimed doctor at the same time and secure the game all in one!
Now, the fishy parts, he calls cora town all the time, despite the fake cop claim shenanigans and the cop claim in the middle of the night he "knew" cora had to be town. Yet, here is where it doesn't make sense. As soon as he saw cora "claim cop", in the middle of the night, why was his first reaction coming into the day "holyflare has to be lying oh no 3 power roles op" (3 is normal by the way). Instead of, yay holyflare might actually be doctor because cora the blue cop didn't die and got a read! He was SO certain of me not being blue? How does he manage to say that because the evidence is somewhat against him (chezinu has also claimed GF).
Then, when I say I was vet the 100% probability of me being it lowers down to 98%, the uncertainty whilst he waits for his fake claim to arrive increases!
On November 27 2013 08:55 Bereft wrote:
please cora, it's not that we doubt you.
I just think we need to be careful since it's MYLO and we can't discount the possibility of mafia steamrolling us.
voting HF is like the difference between lynching someone who's 98% probability scum vs 93% probability scum. I know those numbers are completely arbitrary, but those are basically my confident intervals. there's no downside in getting rid of HF first, and doing so may give us an indication of red power roles. I'm inclined to think HF is GF because of his holier than thou attitude whenever we ask him about motive (see: "I'm too meta for this game", etc). if a cop check came back green on him, he could claim he was trying to draw fire power in lieu of a more townie member (effectively what he's trying to do now with his vet claim now that we are making him sweat).
Cora, think of it this way: why take that 4% chance there's a miller or framer at play when there's no harm in saving onegu for tomorrow? and onegu suddenly becomes 93%.
Chezinu also claims a blue role (gf) but guess where that gets mentioned in berefts filter? Absolutely nowhere at all! The fact that bereft didn't believe my claim in the first place because 3 roles op is weird enough, but he doesn't mention the other guy that claims blue when cora still hasn't revealed his fake claim yet? Yeh, that's what you call more odd.
Now, more things that strike me as odd. He calls cora so town (I think it might be a lie now, I don't even know anymore what cora is) but doesn't bat an eye lid about the way his role was written out as? Why is that? It was quite clearly different to his and he didn't mention it at all. So why when I said I had to type it out from my pm does he focus on the way mine is written? If mine looks so fake then why am I the scum over cora's who was so believable? There is no explanation from this at all. It's just inconsistency within bereft's filter all day and all night.
There is no discussion from anyone with him, he's just trying to ram home a mislynch on me as can be seen with his literal pleading with cora to vote switch to me.
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Actual analysis because I give a crap about not dying now, this is getting frustrating that nobody is discussing and I don't want a loss.
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Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
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Yeh ok, back to basics game with heavy analysis that you want to win but suddenly you just don't care at all. Thanks.
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I've been trying all day to get people to discuss things and it's "nah holy is scum nevermind him" "be back soon"
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Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness.
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On November 28 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness. Yes and you would be a major contributor if town. I'm done with this diatribe
I contribute as both scum and town so my lack of contribution is null at best, I tried to switch up my town play because I was bored of being the crazy analytical one that filter dives everyone. I just made a case on bereft and you just admitted you are straight up ignoring evidence because you don't care if town loses or not. This is day 1 all over again - policy lynch 2.0
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On November 28 2013 11:11 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:02 Holyflare wrote:
Funny how bereft is "afk till 20 mins before deadline" though,
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##Vote Bereft Im still thinking if he is newb enough to do the claim as town. I am leaning against it. But doubt we will get enoughto switch onto him but lets give it a go and see what happens, if no one else switches I will hammer you though as if we go another day it will be lylo with the same wagons in me and you with no one else willing to change and that gets us no where. ##UNVOTE
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I like your style, at least you are willing to read and put effort in even though I've been a douche for the past few days, thank you!
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Conveniently the people who are always around at deadlines seem to be afk for this one coming!
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Also, in regards to chezinu, he is purposefully manipulating information to fit his style:
On November 28 2013 00:00 Chezinu wrote:Holyflare. The light of the first dawn. I, Chezinu the Godfather of our beloved family, have declared thee unworthy to dwell among our presence., 1. You have broken the Chezinu Rule 2. You have lied to the family. 3. You have left the family for another. 4. You have been condemned by the Wisdom of the Dead. ##Vote Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +1. + Show Spoiler +Doesn't need an explanation 2. + Show Spoiler +3. + Show Spoiler +4. + Show Spoiler +On November 25 2013 12:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Why didn't Holys flavor say (medic) in parenthesis like mine and rayns say (vanilla townie)? On November 26 2013 11:58 Aquanim wrote:(A lot of this has been said already since I wrote a fair bit of it last night. But you can have it anyway.) Who to lynch tomorrow? My preference is Chezinu or Onegu. I'm pretty sure both of them are in the scumteam along with one of Holyflare/Alakaslam. The case on Jampidampi by Mocsta and the "scumslip" picked up by Thrawn is probably as close to a read on Chezinu as we're going to get, especially if Thrawn dies (since I'm pretty sure none of the rest of us have much prior experience with Chez). May as well flip that coin sooner rather than later. As for Onegu, this last tossup with Corazon has finally broken my credulity in just how few damns Onegu gives about this game. I honestly don't think there's any way he can have thought those two posts by Corazon were at the 2-hour mark if he's seriously analysing this game. His cases on Bereft and Mocsta could easily have been written by scum just pulling out post after post after post from their filters and saying the first damning-sounding thing which comes to mind. And while I was fooled by Onegu's indignation yesterday, I've been fooled by Onegu playing dumb before (see Newbie 43). I don't intend to let it happen again. You can lynch Onegu first to satisfy Corazon, if you like. As for Holyflare:
- I have never seen him angry as town, but that's the vibe I'm getting here
- I have never seen him this disinterested as town. Read page 4 of his filter, compare it to any town game he's played in the past, and tell me that this is a town Holyflare who is genuinely interested in pushing a lynch
- He could claim to save somebody who aren't the two who scum kills. In that case, use your judgement.
- Sure he hasn't played like this as scum before, but there's no reason to change his town meta into this and plenty of reason to change his scum meta (replaced into a scum team with lurkers, just plain doesn't want to even try to contribute)
A quick aside re. Holyflare+ Show Spoiler +If there's a save tonight obviously don't lynch Holy tomorrow, but still keep him on your radar. His play so far this game has been COMPLETELY unlike his town play, and maybe this is the scum team trying to protect Holy. It would explain their motive for having him claim in the first place. It does give us another mislynch so I think it would be poor play, but my opinion is hardly going to stop them... maybe, MAYBE he'll get off his ass and contribute now that the weekend's over. But I think he's just scum. (Having difficulty reconciling that with the doctor claim, but... frankly that doctor claim was a f***ing awful idea whatever his alignment, so I guess it being risky as scum isn't scum-indiciative.) Alakaslam I still gotta think about. If I die you're probably better off considering what he posts tomorrow rather than whatever thoughts I have now anyway. In the light of this claim I have no idea who scum will shoot. If they shoot me, good luck - you're gonna need it. (tl;dr I agree with sciberbia and mocsta, {Holyflare // Rean, Chezinu (jampi), Onegu}) Last-minute additions:Corazon's cop claim... gah. I don't see the point if he's scum. But damn it why did you claim so long before deadline? If the scum have a framer we could be led entirely up the garden path. I hope he's planning to check someone who isn't Onegu and was just claiming that to lead scum astray. I'd far prefer to see a check on Chezinu or even Holyflare than Onegu. Given how hard Corazon bashed on Holy for his claim I have hopes that Corazon has plans he hasn't revealed yet.
He uses 4 reasons for his read based vote on me.
The first he implies does not work if the person knows what the Chezinu rule is, yet here it is as 25% of his intention for a vote. Therefore 1/4 of his reasoning is factually incorrect.
He says that a fake claim is another reason. My claim of vet is the truth so that is reasoning number 2 that is wrong, if i were to fake claim a role I wouldn't know how to do it because I don't know what the other roles would look like. It would be perfectly written because scum get fake claims, he has no mention of this. 50% factually incorrect
His third point is because I like the colour blue.........? 75% useless
Finally, he mentions the wisdom of the dead but uses incorrect logic from dead people's posts to do it. Aquanim stated that he has never seen me disinterested as town but did chezinu bother to fact check this at all? There is no mention of this so he must have done. Therefore he also read my scum game (hogwarts) where I most certainly was not disinterested either. He then uses JarJar's mention of my claim. Doctor was a fake claim and so of course JarJar was correct. However, vet was not my fake claim and he makes no mention of this either. 100% useless
Chez purposefully misleads all of you in the attempt to look like he is one of the town group. He uses useless information that is clearly not fact checked to mislead you into thinking he is doing work. His playstyle is based on reads and as you don't know what his reads are at the time you do not know what alignment he is playing for. He has claimed GF (blue town role) but came under no scrutiny from bereft for this, no mention at all even though bereft's entire reasoning was that there can't be 3 blue roles which he claimed was his only reason for attacking me.
Chezinu, Bereft. Scum team.
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On November 28 2013 11:22 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:14 Holyflare wrote:On November 28 2013 11:11 Mocsta wrote:On November 28 2013 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
Your loss is because this town is a victim of it's own scummyness. Yes and you would be a major contributor if town. I'm done with this diatribe I contribute as both scum and town so my lack of contribution is null at best, I tried to switch up my town play because I was bored of being the crazy analytical one that filter dives everyone. I just made a case on bereft and you just admitted you are straight up ignoring evidence because you don't care if town loses or not. This is day 1 all over again - policy lynch 2.0 Nah. The way you have gone about pushing your agenda is the problem. In reality there is no need to discuss until post game. If scum, no shit Sherlock. If town, you have shoved a cock in my mouth whilst I'm sleeping and then are calling me gay...
Shouldn't have left your door open then, gay.
At least read my posts on bereft and chezinu so if I die and there are cases left if somehow the game doesn't end.
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EBWOP: At least read my posts on bereft and chezinu so that if I die there are cases left in my wake. If the game ends then meh, if it somehow doesn't then there are cases based on facts that people are intentionally ignoring/afking from.
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This is getting silly, I absolutely guarentee that after my death and the game ends there will be people posting that aren't here talking now...
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Whatever, I'll hammer this crap so it ends sooner. GG scum you won with the afking ability! Critical hit!
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Needs to happen does not make sense. You aren't reading my cases at all. It's pretty blatant that those 2 are scummy! This is mylo mocsta not a random point in the game you can afford to be wrong!
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I will also vote chezinu if that is in your interest because I also think he is scum.
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Bereft returns to reply "lol onegu" and doesn't mention anything about defending his posts because he knows the game is literally about to end. Even a no-lynch is better at this point.
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On November 28 2013 11:49 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2013 11:46 Holyflare wrote:
Needs to happen does not make sense. You aren't reading my cases at all. It's pretty blatant that those 2 are scummy! This is mylo mocsta not a random point in the game you can afford to be wrong! Well, if you are town. You have been blatantly playing against your win condition. If we lose, I'll just enjoy thanksgiving with the family tomorrow.
I claimed doctor to draw a bullet when I was a vet, that's totally against win conditions ~_~! GG chezinu, lurkers winz~~~~!
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Just like you are saying tomorrow is thanksgiving, you wont have any time tomorrow to post if the game doesn't end, that would normally be scummy as hell but when I say it earlier in the game people take it as alignment indicative that my not posting is scummy and so I post to maintain activity and get reads from what's happened. I've posted those reads now and people are afking. A no-lynch is better than losing the game simply put.
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