"##" Mafia - Page 99

On October 31 2013 01:37 Promethelax wrote:
For serious Suess, I get that those things happened but this game is about conclusions not summaries.

On October 31 2013 01:12 Seuss wrote:


Ask and you shall receive.

First and foremost I don't care who kush is or if OOHCHILD is kush, his play has been nothing short of scum-city. While he's had the odd good point here or there, he's been extremely disruptive, unhelpful, distracting, and more.

His nuke on Wave also makes zero sense. This was OOHCHILD before the lynch yesterday:



The last we heard from him Day 1 he'd rather lynch Sentinel or HotCottonCandy over WaveofShadow. Fast-forward to nuke-city and the first thing he does is nuke WaveofShadow. Not a word as to why, just FIRE ZE MISSILES!

Now I'm willing to give him a pass on Sentinel because nuke-city changed things on that front. However, we have no explanation for why HotCottonCandy wasn't considered. Outside of the Clarity flip nothing had really changed there, and as of yet we haven't received a good explanation (calling it an "impulsive move" is up there with the "bored of mafia" defense he gave for Clarity).

Looking over HotCottonCandy's history there's nothing that stands out connecting or disconnecting him from OOHCHILD. At one point he suggested voting for OOHCHILD when the choice seemed to be Clarity or OOHCHILD, but outside of that HotCottonCandy has only mentioned him in passing. I don't feel confident reading much into their interactions or lack thereof, but I will analyze HotCottonCandy.


I'll forgive HotCottonCandy for waffling back and forth with his opinion on me during the pre-lynch insanity; I was under a lot of scrutiny at the time and there was a lot going on. However, I haven't liked his approach to the whole nuke situation:



On the one hand he's correct that you can read a lot into a person's thoughts and motivations based on their nuke choice. However, a town's greatest strength is its community, and telling everyone to follow their bliss is a great recipe for chaos, confusion, and counter-productivity.

Case in point, if everyone hadn't been so trigger happy we could, as has been suggested several times, effectively had a lightning-lynch round. Instead we currently have chaos because OOHCHILD, Koshi, Oatsmaster and others had to push the red button.

HotCottonCandy also acted extremely surprised when strongandbig nuked him after he'd been actively and vocally contemplating nuking strongandbig. It's pretty obvious from how strongandbig went about the actual nuking that he was being vindictive. I think it's a stretch at this point to think it was anything more than that, as strongandbig's play post-lynch hasn't shown him capable of that kind of duplicity and forethought.


So right now I've got a strong scum read on OOHCHILD, and I'm suspicious of HotCottonCandy.


A quick thought on Oatsmaster's confusing Koshi nuke. Even if you assume Koshi's question is scummy, we had hours that could have been spent grilling Koshi on that before we needed to fire nukes at him. Oatsmaster's play there is in keeping with the grand traditions routine irresponsibility of this game (hashtag first, ask questions later), and I'm reevaluating him accordingly.

On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw?

On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:

I do

Why am I scum

No one has made a case I can respond to

Also I'm not

Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway

On October 31 2013 01:44 Pandain wrote:
That's a good point, and I do think OOHChild has a good chance of flipping scum.
I'll think about it more since I still think SnB is objectively scummy for several reasons.

On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:

I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet.

On October 31 2013 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Regarding OOHCHILD, assuming that you know nothing about him beyond what he has done in this game, do you think it is likely play as scum to be attention-grabbing, abrasive and insulting as he has been, despite his random waffling on me? I'm curious.

On October 31 2013 01:45 Seuss wrote:


I'm a mathematician and an analyst. I'm trained to support my conclusions with facts/probable cause/proven theorems etc. This whole "I will post one sentence that is my conclusion and then cause a long confusing debate where no one has any idea what anyone else is thinking" thing baffles me.

But to reiterate what I said at the end of my post. I think OOHCHILD is scum, HotCottonCandy is probably scum, and Oats is looking pretty scummy as well.

On October 31 2013 01:57 Koshi wrote:

So Oats is scum for nuking me? Because you had a STRONG townread on Oats before. As an analyst, don't you work with pro's and cons? After pushing red button all the pro town things Oats did are wiped away and he is scum for you now?

On October 31 2013 02:00 Seuss wrote:


I haven't gone back to compare Oats' N1 actions with his D1 actions because I spent all my time scrutinizing OOHCHILD and HotCottonCandy. The statement on Oats was basically only considering his N1 play.

On October 31 2013 02:03 Koshi wrote:

So is Oats scum?

On October 31 2013 02:04 Seuss wrote:


If we go based purely on his N1 actions, it's likely.

What do you think?

On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:

Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game.

On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:

which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere?


dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US
also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games

also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated.

last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it

On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:

Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him.

I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne.

Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel.

Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial.

On October 31 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote:

Christ Seuss. He's asking you to weigh up his whole play and come to a conclusion, not to isolate parts of it.

On October 31 2013 02:07 Seuss wrote:


I understand that. I hope he and everyone else understands that it takes me more than 30 seconds to carefully read the and re-digest entire post history of someone like Oatsmaster.

On October 31 2013 01:56 Seuss wrote:


Yes. This is probably the perfect game for that sort of disruptive play. Just look at the players. Aside from marv and maybe Prom there's just a giant mess of people underperforming and making it easy for scum to do whatever they want. OOHCHILD is certainly making himself a target, but in a game where everyone's a target that can be pretty good cover.

He's also apparently got his smurf/kush thing to fall back on and throw you all off, which has apparently been fairly successful so far. I don't think "meta" play is bad per se, but I'm going to call it like I see it.

On October 31 2013 02:13 OOHCHILD wrote:
Everyone thinks I'm scum but WoS....mother f