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On October 31 2013 02:32 OOHCHILD wrote:
Not too sure about that atm. Need more filters rich I haven't had time for. Wos is looking scummy but I agree his power is bad to block
Safe choice is to block HotCottonCandy who claimed VT. Or strongandbig who also claimed VT.
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I knew you would have a good answer
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On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die.
1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup).
2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do.
3) k
4) k
I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him.
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Wait marv that is a bad idea. It only stops twitter powers, which they cant use as claimed vts.
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On October 31 2013 02:38 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait marv that is a bad idea. It only stops twitter powers, which they cant use as claimed vts.
That's kind of the point. In case they're telling porkies, it stops them from doing any shenannies. Also why I said "safe" if you genuinely didn't know who to do it to and are worried about removing potentially useful town powers.
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On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him.
Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it.
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Also marv could you be a dear and give me your seal of towniness before you get nk? Elsewise im going to get lynched..like everyone just said they want to lynch me in unison.
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"In case they're telling porkies"
You talk like a english grandmother Marv, are you SURE you are a 25+ old guy?
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On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it.
So why did you nuke me wave?
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On October 31 2013 02:41 OOHCHILD wrote:
Also marv could you be a dear and give me your seal of towniness before you get nk? Elsewise im going to get lynched..like everyone just said they want to lynch me in unison.
Given setup suggests to me you're mafia (whether you bitch about it or not), then I shan't be doing that. If I could flip you for free I would.
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On October 31 2013 02:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
"In case they're telling porkies"
You talk like a english grandmother Marv, are you SURE you are a 25+ old guy?
marv wishes he was 25.
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On October 31 2013 02:39 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:38 OOHCHILD wrote:
Wait marv that is a bad idea. It only stops twitter powers, which they cant use as claimed vts. That's kind of the point. In case they're telling porkies, it stops them from doing any shenannies. Also why I said "safe" if you genuinely didn't know who to do it to and are worried about removing potentially useful town powers.
Oh yeah, he seemed real broken up about blocking me until you stepped in to show him the way.
Like, it's ncie tha you can direct his power now, but considering the fact that he didn't consider how anti-town his blocking of me could be (I say 'could' because it is possible he is town and genuinely thinks I'm scum), what does that say?
It seems pretty damn obvious to me that considering I'm claimed I have to use my power on the towniest town that ever towned or I'm fucked. (Though I suppose that doesn't limit the possibility of some sort of trade in a really close scenario, but even then i couldn't count on that as scum given the other vote-changing powers being around <---And I'm assuming some of them other than mine must belong to town)
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Wos since you asked me about rayn: When I've played with scum rayne he's been way more active and aggressive. When I've played with town rayne he's been way more active and aggressive. I don't think I can read him based in that. Maybe he's just trying to spam and dominate the thread less.
That said, I'll give his filter a look when I get back from class.
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Afk for a really long time
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On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave?
First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.
Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot.
Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch?
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On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 01:41 Pandain wrote:
Does anyone disagree SnB is scum btw? I do Why am I scum No one has made a case I can respond to Also I'm not Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 03:48 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I'm starting to worry about sentinel's mystery countdown power and why he still hasn't told us what it does. Despite calling koshi scum for not telling us what his power does. I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again. Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch?
See, I think you should be better than how you used your nuke. Sigh.
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Going back through the first day for Oats, he really embodies what's been annoying me all game. He's something of a bully, spending most of his time pushing people around while generally avoiding questions himself. There's a smattering of posts which involve effort/fair argument, but his signal to noise ratio is bad. He's also second only to Koshi in terms of random power-begging.
I think in the end of the day mad rush I gave him more credit than he deserved, and weighted the meta rebuffs I'd received too heavily. Maybe I'm just jealous, but he got to dance around all of day 1 while I and others got grilled. I don't like that, and I don't like that I really don't know where he stands on anyone at the moment.
Combined with his N1 actions, I'm sticking with my scum read. I regret having powered him up.
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On October 31 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2013 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:41 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 02:26 strongandbig wrote:On October 31 2013 02:06 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote:On October 31 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 31 2013 01:50 strongandbig wrote:
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I do
Why am I scum
No one has made a case I can respond to
Also I'm not
Also I'm probably dying at the end of night anyway I will. Give me a few. And marv preflip association bad. I don't want to assume OOHCHILD is scum hard-defending SnB yet. Please don't tell me what's good and bad, I was doing it in association with Prome's own read on OOHCHILD, and it didn't tain my own read. I don't need teaching how to play the game. How am I supposed to know what affects your read and what doesn't? Everybody needs reminders sometimes, even you, o unfallible one. Regarding SnB: On October 30 2013 05:46 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 05:34 Pandain wrote:
Day one scum try to contribute and appear town, but aren't that actually dedicated.
They usually aren't retarded, think through their posts, and still don't try to help town atmosphere.
All the things a scum would do on day one I see in SnB which of these things are not also things a townie without much time would do? i guess the thread atmosphere thing, but how am i hurting thread atmosphere? On October 30 2013 05:42 Pandain wrote:On October 30 2013 05:39 marvellosity wrote:
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I dunno about s&b. This post is pretty bad because Sentinel has talked about his power so many times, I don't see the point in bringing it up again.
Then again it looks like s&b actually made genuine effort to go and look at Pandain's games earlier when he talked about his big posts
Problem is SnB also made a genuine effort to point out why Palmar was scum in Thug life. SnB can go hard to explain a read he's confident in when it benefits you. The problem is even if he did, was that in the approach to help town or to explain himself. If it's to help town, why share it when really I wasn't under any suspicion. If it's to explain himself, it makes sense to defend me as I'm town and that will be revealed later/he's ultimately right. I don't think SnB is giving an effort to help town, I think his effort ultimately only shows that he's interested in appearing town by posting reads. Has he really attempted to change this lynch or help drive a lynch? dude you were on my team, you KNOW that wasn't a genuine effort because I knew palmar was scum because he was ON A TEAM WITH THE TWO OF US also did even that case didn't involve any actual research into palmar's past games also i forgot that sentinel claimed he doesn't know what his power does. but why is saying that scum motivated. last thing, why would i have attempted to change the lynch when i like it What are you referring to here exactly? On October 30 2013 11:42 strongandbig wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Decided to nuke HCC because (a) I don't like the way he swapped to pandain from wave for no reason, (b) don't like how he powered up koshi for no reason at the very start if the game then attacked people for doing the same to sentinel, (c) don't like how he only talks about me and oo while yelling about going after easy targets, (d) general feeling.
This bothers me because I feel like a ton of people did exactly the same thing but you're trying to find a way to justify your nuke on VA. On October 30 2013 23:19 strongandbig wrote:On October 30 2013 21:43 marvellosity wrote:On October 30 2013 21:41 strongandbig wrote:
It's too late for more nukes
And Marv I'm just surprised people are multi nuking me rather than any of the other actually scummy people around Which two people would you flip right now if you had the chance? Well, I'm actually kind of unsure now about wos. Once pandain made my vote not matter I didn't have to decide whether I believed the turnaround. So like, I would be happy if he flipped but I'm not sure I want to flip him. I think I'd go with ooh child and vayne. Sent I'm struggling with because I feel like the way he played is antitown but I can't see his power going to mafia unless they're all fake. So if they turn out to be all fake nukes at the day post then sentinel. Actially nm I think I still would put wos on the list above sentinel. I just get really bad feelings about how self-focused he was early in day 1 on people who attacked him despite the pressure being largely superficial. I suppose I understand your reasoning at the end of the post regarding why you still want me to flip, but I don't understand why you said you were unsure in the beginning. I also don't understand---do you think OOHCHILD/Vayne/me are all scum together? Because i'm not sure that is possible. 1. Like I said, once I decided I didn't want to kill pandain, I decided that you were a good choice to lynch and better than the other options people were voting for (if there were any, I don't remember). I'm pretty sure I posted something about that where i said i disagreed with promethelax's case but i still thought you were scum. and my filter is pretty short, you must've read that right? 2. "Trying to find a way to justify" vs "explaining my reasons for". If I was scum and wanted to yolo lynch someone, I would've made up reasons for nuking rayn or Marv or someone good instead of vayne right? Or I would have just kept my nuke, but I see no scenario in which nuking vayne isn't worth my life as scum. Especially when I can be pretty sure a revenge nuke is coming (since this is VA we're talking about). Instead, suppose I'm a townie, I've decided to use my nuke before going to sleep, I look around at the players who haven't been nuked yet, and I choose vayne. How does my post in this scenario differ from what I actually posted? (Protip: it doesn't) Also I strongly disagree that other players who had not yet been nuked had done all the things I talked about vayne doing. He was definitely more hypocritical and more suspect than the other people who were still alive and unnuked. 3. The only reason I was unsure was that Marv and prome seemed persuaded by your outpouring of emotion and rage. I think they're both good players so the fact that they appeared to think you were genuine made me hesitant. 4. I don't care who you are scum with. I don't look at potential teams until someone flips. I look for the people most likely to be scum and try to make all of them die. 1) Yes I read your filter, and I had already commented on your disagreeing with Prome's case and calling me scum---we even had a conversation about it earlier yesterday. What I don;'t understand is why you refer to it as trying to change a lynch. There is a difference between soft-defending and opening up your options and actively trying to prevent a lynch. This is mainly why I found you scummy D1, because you are being super wishy-washy about me and half-defending me while still putting weak reasoning for lynching me on top of that (using Rayn as your backup). 2) Any reason you could have come up with for yolo nuking marv (for example) would have been awful, so that's a terrible example. VA is just one of those nukable players, but yes, I see what you're saying in that the trade probably isn't worth it---though this may hinge on whether you believe the nukes are real or not. I suppose that reasoning makes it even less likely if you believe them to be fake, like I do. 3) k 4) k I'd probably downgrade you to null based on this honestly, though I'd still like to talk about #1 if you don;t mind. Maybe let me know on that note what you currently think of Rayn. he's doing a whole lot less than I expect of him. Pandain said I was scum for not trying to change the lynch, i said why would I try to change the lynch if I agree with it. So why did you nuke me wave? First of all, because at that point I still firmly believed you were scum.Second, can you explain a little more thoroughly, I'm really not following. Maybe I'm an idiot. Pandain said you were scum for not trying to change what lynch? See, I think you should be better than how you used your nuke. Sigh.
You're welcome to doublestack me if you'd like.
This isn't NWM, and in that game even when I KNEW for sure there was real shit flying around I wasn't 100% careful with how I redirected stuff.
I had a scumread, I wanted to make sure he was dead on the off chance some of the nukes are real, I used it. Especially since I have one headed towards me which may or may not be real. Pretty simple to me.
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You know very well I can't doublestack anything right now.
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On October 31 2013 02:53 marvellosity wrote:
You know very well I can't doublestack anything right now.
Ah, true. I forgot.
Would you have if you could have?
I mean, you clearly believed me enough to change the lynch to policy lynch a townie over me. I've fooled you pretty well as scum before so did you think that you'd be able to catch me later if I did turn out to be scum?
Is this just papa marv admonishing his bad townie offspring?
What is the point of your posts?
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