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Ok well, this is not the result I was hoping for from this flip.
This is going to be a problem.
When we have town defending themselves like this.
Ok so, Bereft and Suess make a point about Istand being either an obvious troll, or an extremely bad townie.
Vonthin follows this with a Istand vote half a page later.
That got you some attention.
Which could probably have been negated with a better explaination than this:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 15 2013 23:20 Vonthin wrote:
I did read your post and Suess' posts
Here is reasons why I voted for him
1. He is super quick to jump the gun to lynch someone, votes after seeing SagaZ's very first post saying we should lynch inactive
2. His very next post he switches and votes for playerboy by saying he posts nothing worthwhile(he has some point here, a good portion of his posts don't say much besides i agree with x but a lot of those posts came after he voted against him)
3. Makes shit posts saying things like "Good poast" after someone votes against him, then just proceeds to argue poorly trying to justify his voting and being 2 confrontational plus no real analysis.
He seems the scummiest to me, there are some people that seem scummy but nothing as glaring as him. I am still contemplating switching my vote to Nyx but want to see another post or two from him. Reasons for thinking he is scum so far: Hasn't said almost anything besides that he is gonna blindly follow Odin when he isn't a confirmed town and that odin has a plan because we don't have one the townies auto lose! Then he just posts once more saying he is voting for Mitt and nothing else
I feel like we could of avioded this mislynch if Vonthin didn't defend his position with 3 short winded points.
One of which was just flat out wrong.
Istand didn't make any arguments.
The most he said was one liners basically translating to; "I will vote for whoever I deemed scum and don't really care to explain how I have come to this conclusion."
The last paragraph could have been a good start at just this.
Nyx isn't contributing anything more than this.
He's not even contributing the statement about not caring to explain himself. Simply a strait refusal to do so thus far.
And then Suess follows suit with this as a scum read with other's and this bandwagon starts to gain weight.
Obviously people don't see you're explaination as a valid excuse.
So what are you going to do about it?
You change you're vote to Nyx shortly after this.
You come back 2 and a half hours later with a single paragraph that gave us this:
In lamest terms: "I am going to change my vote to Nyx for the same reason I had it on Istand"
followed by "It was an ez vote" "Now I'm off to work! Bye and I hope I don't die!"
+ Show Spoiler +On October 16 2013 04:13 Vonthin wrote:
Did you read his past couple of posts? Looks like Mittgave up and will most likely be mod killed, even if he isn't gonna be mod killed there isn't a point in killing him today since we pretty much know everything about him and nyx started to look really scummy to me so I switched to him like I said I would if I saw someone who looked scummier than mitt, nyx looks incapable of forming an opinion for himself and just follows everyone else which doesn't really seem like a thing a townie would do. On October 16 2013 04:19 Vonthin wrote:
Also one of the reasons(not that good of a reason tho imo) I initially voted for Mitt at the time was that I wasn't sure I would have time to be on and cast a vote before the deadline and he seemed like an alright choice at the time since everyone else voted and no one looked scummy enough to warrant a vote yet.
Anyways I have to go to work now and won't be back till late tonight unless I have time to check on my phone, hopefully I'm not hanged but it looks like I am just for disagreeing with a stupid rng plan and then hoping on an obvious bandwagon that people were starting to get off :/
I'm taking this as a wake up call for town.
We have July,Nyx,Istand, and now previously Vonthin posting for the most part nothing or very weak arguments.
We need to talk a lot more.
I'm not going to accept blind faith on things from this point on.
We all knew the commitment in joining this.
If you can't spend an hour or so reading and coming up with a reason for your viewpoints, I'm going to assume it's because your scum.
On that note,
I would really appreciate to hear from July, Nyx, and Istand if he has any intention to continue playing.
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R.I.P. Vonthin.
So July can stop smacking his head against his desk because Vonthin's town flip pretty much exonerates him. If he'd been mafia he'd have had every reason to vote for Vonthin over istandwithmitt. Vonthin's untimely demise was extremely unfortunate, but I think we can be fairly certain of July's innocence.
Apologies for any damage done to your head or your desk.
If nothing else yesterday serves as a warning. We really can't afford to waste time arguing about RNG and getting bogged down in one person's tomfoolery. If we'd had more time to discuss the Vonthin lynch I'm fairly certain we'd have backed off and found a different target.
On that subject, we definitely need to discuss nyxnyxnyx. He needs to justify himself better and we need to consider him carefully as a potential lynching target.
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Damn, I really tough Vonthin would flip red, and then we would have a pretty easy game with a july lynch, or even having a vigi shoot him or something...
but let's keep positive, and try to read the info we get from that.
Votes for end of day 1:
Vonthin (6): Bereft, playerboy345, Seuss, nyxnyxnyx, onlywonderboy, SagaZ
I guess there is some mafia in this vote participant, so the people here should be under some scrutiny.
Aside from Seuss from this group, my strongest town read is Bereft. Even though Vonthin was a miss lynch, his reasoning looked strong and prevented the mitt super band wagon.
My strongest scum reads: nyx and onlywonderboy. I have said it and will repeat it, they give us absolutely nothing to work with and jump on the easy lynch train.
Still looks mafia but less than the 2 above: playerboy345, less than the others for the sole reason that he gave a bit more to work with. Again, what I really really hate about his posts is how hard he goes on E00e for what E00e said (which looked like an honest newby mistake to me). He says talking about blues is a big nono this early in the game (which is perfectly resonable) but then he proceed so damn hard on it that at this point he's been the one talking about it more than the rest. I also don't like the timing of his post, after Seuss brough some order to the town discussion by asking to focus on me and july, player comes in and repeat his grief on E00e. Looks a bit like he was trying to sidetrack the discussion to me.
He still reads less scummy than the 2 above to me, honestly what I say about the timing might be absolutly nothing and just how his timezone works. My post looks dedicated to him because I think I already made my view on wonderboy and nyx in my earlier post but not really on him.
I think there is a good chance to be like 1 or 2 scums in the people that voted Vorthin. So from my perspective, I'd really like to hear nyxnyxnyx, onlywonderboy and player345. Because right now I'd feel comfortable going for either of those. Bereft's toughs would be good too, especially cause so far he has been helping the town I think.
And to end on a side note, how does everyone stands on mitt now? Cause I am now very fking confused...
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And when I say confused I mean, i'd really really like him to post some quality content so we don't feel too bad about lynching a town instead of him
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Whatever we do we should exhaust every tangent unless it's absolutely clear. I do think mitt is town and I'm hoping he looks at this as a stroke of luck for himself. Mitt give more substance to your posts, if we want town to win we're going to need everyone to be active and posting. And posting one liners doesn't help your case, give us your reads so you don't end up on the chopping block again, bad town play shouldn't be encouraged and if you really don't want to contribute just say so, so we can put your case to rest and move on to an actual mafia target.
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First off, in reply to Sagaz. The only person I trust out of the Vonthin voters is you (SagaZ), and obviously Seuss. Reason being I played with Bereft last game and in this game he just seems a little different. He hasn't done enough to convince me he is town at this point (which in reality nobody should). His posts are especially weak this game, and I expect that to change during night phase as for some reason last game he stepped it up. I also have a town read on E00, and that's probably my best town read. This guy has been solid in his reasoning and I like his plays in reaction to playerboy's call out. Very nice, IMO.
I do want to revisit the Playerboy -> E00 situation. Playerboy, how do you read that as a soft-claim? He was genuinely trying to start a discussion on when cop should come out because that's an easy way for scum to slip and for scum to give a town-like opinion on something (which is better than not saying anything at all). It's a common way to start some conversation on day1. The fact that you were so angry at the fact that he did that really makes me think you're trying to gain town cred for flipping out over some small mistake. Also I'd like to hear about why you think E00 saying "i'm not going to confirm or deny i'm cop" is bad as well. If he's a good townie he has to debunk your "soft-claiming talk" whether he is cop or he is not.
As far as nyx. ATM he is my highest scum read and I will push for him today as long as nothing changes during this nightphase/nightactions. Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum?
Mitt: Please do not use your vote as a way to sway people. It should be used as a vote and only that. On top of that, question people instead of just attacking them straight up. Get more information out of them and THEN decide. If you are just voting at the slightest sign of scum then you are not helping others see your side. More prodding.
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Oh i'd also like to share my experiences with Bereft and playerboy last game:
Bereft was playing similar to this game as town, except I think he played a bit more aggressive. It's always spread out posts like this with some questioning. He shares his reads when he feels its relevant and there are no targets but not otherwise. During the nightphase especially after a mis-lynch he pushed questions on people a LOT to try to get them to explain their plays. He didn't really trust anyone and as a result was candidate for first night kill. For me he is a very good townie, scary scum player based on his town play.
Playerboy is playing exactly as he was now. His posts are all over the place and he acts as if people make huge mistakes in their posts a lot. Expect him to get somewhat mad when people don't do what he's expecting them to do. He will rarely mention or talk to his mafia teammates and if he does he speaks of them as a neutral town read (not the highest of his town reads). After day 1 all his posts were manipulation by me and he seems very weak at forming fake opinions on subjects as scum. If he is scum, we will be able to break him if we continue to prod him for things. He will also not post if it is hard for him to make an opinion, he went fairly inactive towards the end of the game last game when it was important for all town to be posting. Keep an eye out for that. I don't think he is a good lynch target today, but it is important we keep the pressure up on him, need him to prove he is town.
I'd invite you guys to share your opinions on each other and myself as well. Since we are the only ones with previous game information (i think). If anybody else has played with each other previously please share as well.
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@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight ><
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1. i wanted to go with whatever odin was going for. i have explained why in previous post. that was istandwithmitt
2. i put up the vote since i was gona sleep in a bit (vote would close at ~10am next morning, might not wake up before then)
3. people complained about my blind voting because i expressed that i personally did not think istandwithmitt was mafia (and i still think so). vonthin changed his vote to me on that feeling, and i thought well fuck you im voting you bitch
4. that is all
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oops, that was in response to your first post. got a bit tied up at work in the middle of writing it, and only just now hit send...
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On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight ><
Sorry, just went over your filter from last game again, just a feeling i had from memory but I'm completely wrong. You have literally done exactly the same thing as last game haha. That makes me more comfortable with you. But again, the way you play makes me scared of you as a scum player, you could definitely screw us hard. Only thing that is different so far is the post-day1 posts from you but I chalk that up to the situation being completely different, especially since you are the one who mislynched rather than others.
Anyways, my read on SagaZ is from his defense under pressure from Seuss. I liked it, he addresses most points that Seuss makes and tries to rectify the fact that he hasn't been posting content. Following the lynch, he follows up on his previous reads and tries to come up with a solid d2 target out of the guilty voters on d1. Seems like a good follow-up as a townie, as scum I would expect him to just let others post and try to figure out the next target, as thats how his play was indicating early on d1 and late d1, he was letting others figure out who to kill while he was somewhat under suspicion. I think he's playing solid. Again, could change but I don't have anything to prod him about atm.
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On October 16 2013 23:06 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
1. i wanted to go with whatever odin was going for. i have explained why in previous post. that was istandwithmitt
2. i put up the vote since i was gona sleep in a bit (vote would close at ~10am next morning, might not wake up before then)
3. people complained about my blind voting because i expressed that i personally did not think istandwithmitt was mafia (and i still think so). vonthin changed his vote to me on that feeling, and i thought well fuck you im voting you bitch
4. that is all
Please reply to these:
From me:
Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum?
Your post now literally just reiterates what we already know. Have some reasoning. You have none right now besides bullshit. You're almost acting like istandwithmitt right now and that puts us in a terrible position.
On top of that, who are your scum reads now that Vonthin is dead? I'd like you to answer this before others share their reads.
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On October 16 2013 08:48 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
While I respect and relate to your judgment of istandwithmitt, I think if there's ever a day where we can afford to lynch the weakest town instead of a mafia, it's day 1. If he's mafia at this point, then all is well. If he's town, then I think it's better we get rid of him now rather than let him end up in the final 3 and remain a target of suspicion - in addition to the possibility that his seemingly arbitrary reads could end up being the final deciding vote on who is mafia or not.
Hey this is a really scummy post. Can you guys tell me why?
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##vote: ggtemplar for emphasis
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On October 17 2013 01:01 istandwithmitt wrote:
##vote: ggtemplar for emphasis
Votes during the night phase are not counted.
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@July,
Could you answer any of the questions on my post found on the bottom of page 18?
The only thing your post is giving me is that you believe Mitt is just bad townie (Which was a point that was beaten on for several pages.) And then rehashing what everyone else has already said to do.
Could you follow your own advice here and give us your reads?
@Nyx,
1) You still don't answer any of the questions brought up for you.
You wanted to bandwagon behind my vote early because you weren't sure.
People didn't like this defense but it snuck by under the radar for the most part due to Suess suggestion behind what your motives might of been.
After I was missing from this thread for the better part of the second half of D1,
this argument doesn't hold water with me anymore.
I haven't even been online to give an opinion on the new situation.
Why still blindly follow my choice despite all the new information in the thread?
2) But you said:
On October 16 2013 00:20 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
I don't actually think istandwithmitt is mafia, although he is a bad poster. Unfortunately I'll miss out on last few hours because Asian time zone OP. Good luck guys!
So why waste the vote? You are about to go to sleep so why don't you put your vote on your strongest scum read before doing so? Why leave it on him at this point? Of course this is assuming you've made any reads at all. Because if you have, you sure haven't shared them with the rest of us.
3) Why didn't you question Vonthin on why he thought you were scum?
Right now I think you're scummy.
Does that mean your next post is going to consist of a vote for me with no explanation to it?
You're under a lot of suspicious because you don't really tell us anything about your reasoning.
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God damnit mitt, we already went over this, this is not how it works. If you make an accusation you explain your reasoning behind it, you don't make us guess. If you have a problem with any post, point it out, it helps us, or me at least to understand how you think.
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On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight ><
I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy.
I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy.
Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy.
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On October 17 2013 01:47 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy. I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy. Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy.
Apparently I'm not smart enough, given the day's outcome.
Why don't you think July is town? It's not impossible for him to be mafia, but it seems highly unlikely given that he had no reason to vote istandwithmitt over Vonthin.
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On October 17 2013 02:06 Seuss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 01:47 onlywonderboy wrote:On October 16 2013 23:03 Bereft wrote:
@Balla - that was purely a timing/availability issue. If I'm home and have time to sit down and write something I will, regardless of day/night phase. might not be the best strategy, but what can you do, time constraints yo. I'm out tonight so not sure if I'll make it home before the night post - but if I do I'll write something.
that being said, what exactly "seems a little different" about my posting this time around? can you expand please? why such a strong read on Sagaz?
my general gut feeling is that only 1 out of the 6 votes on Vonthin is mafia. I would lean towards playerboy i
from this subset. no read on OWB yet - as per last game he has been super quiet. OWB please don't go down that same path again... all just because you played the same way as town doesn't mean you'll get a free pass this time around.
on a phone at work right now... I'll post more thoroughly tonight >< I think I'm quieter this game than last one but that's due to irl responsibilities. Last time I just dug myself a grave by getting super defensive and doing a poor job of explaining myself. As for my vote I was clear upfront I was putting a lot of weight into Suess' analysis since I know he's town and a really smart guy. I agree nyx has a lot of explaining to do. I realize he wanted to follow Odin, but the contradiction of not thinking mitt is mafia but still voting him anyway feels very scummy. Honestly the only person I have a strong read on right now is Odin (town). The initial bandwagon on mitt and changing votes from there was a bit of a clusterfuck so getting a read on these events hasn't been easy. Apparently I'm not smart enough, given the day's outcome. Why don't you think July is town? It's not impossible for him to be mafia, but it seems highly unlikely given that he had no reason to vote istandwithmitt over Vonthin. It could easily be him being careful with his vote so that nobody would be suspicious of it. Again though, I don't think July is mafia, but you shouldn't clear your suspicion of him just because he didn't switch his vote. Especially no reason to switch since it was clear that Vonthin was going to get lynched anyways. Hell, I did that last game as scum, if you aren't the deciding vote there is no reason to switch.
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