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onlywonderboy
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Balla24
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istandwithmitt
Brazil117 Posts
On October 17 2013 01:06 SagaZ wrote: God damnit mitt, we already went over this, this is not how it works. If you make an accusation you explain your reasoning behind it, you don't make us guess. If you have a problem with any post, point it out, it helps us, or me at least to understand how you think. Pls you dont need to curse. I just want you guys to try & look at things that are scummy rather than getting in big rants about how people don't post enough. ggtemplar is talking about how its a good thing to lynch someone you think is town (hint: it never is) & this is from someone who has been convinced I'm scummy all game. He then justifies that "if I am town" (hint: he has been saying that he thinks I'm scum all game) that I'm still a good lynch. Basically, he's pushing a lynch on someone a lot of people think is town & then preparing for when I flip town but justifying it as a good lynch. Basically, he's going to get a townie lynched but no worries, it was a good thing for a town! I think ggtemplar knows I'm town & is trying to hedge his position for when I flip town. Well, see ya. | ||
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Umasi
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Pls you dont need to curse. I just want you guys to try & look at things that are scummy rather than getting in big rants about how people don't post enough. ggtemplar is talking about how its a good thing to lynch someone you think is town (hint: it never is) & this is from someone who has been convinced I'm scummy all game. He then justifies that "if I am town" (hint: he has been saying that he thinks I'm scum all game) that I'm still a good lynch. Basically, he's pushing a lynch on someone a lot of people think is town & then preparing for when I flip town but justifying it as a good lynch. Basically, he's going to get a townie lynched but no worries, it was a good thing for a town! I think ggtemplar knows I'm town & is trying to hedge his position for when I flip town. Well, see ya. This is a good response btw Istand. I can see it from Templar's stance though aswell. This is like the first post you've actually gave any inkling on how you actually think. You gave us your point of view, and now people can roll that though around in their head. Will have to wait for a few more post though. I'm not just going to instantly write off all your previous post because of this one. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:42 istandwithmitt wrote: Pls you dont need to curse. I just want you guys to try & look at things that are scummy rather than getting in big rants about how people don't post enough. ggtemplar is talking about how its a good thing to lynch someone you think is town (hint: it never is) & this is from someone who has been convinced I'm scummy all game. He then justifies that "if I am town" (hint: he has been saying that he thinks I'm scum all game) that I'm still a good lynch. Basically, he's pushing a lynch on someone a lot of people think is town & then preparing for when I flip town but justifying it as a good lynch. Basically, he's going to get a townie lynched but no worries, it was a good thing for a town! I think ggtemplar knows I'm town & is trying to hedge his position for when I flip town. Well, see ya. Question: GGTeMpLaR posted that in response to a post I made suggesting we vote for SagaZ or July617. If you think GGTeMpLaR was scum, do you think he was trying to deflect the vote away from other scum or do you think he was simply sowing discord? | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Also, speaking of odin, I want to be careful we don't fall into the same trap we did last game. I was suspicious of playerboy early last game but sat on it because I didn't want to make enemies. I don't want to make the same mistake again. He's pushing july and nyx hard, which look goods on paper, but if either of them end up turning town if we lynch them, I think that looks bad for odin. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
United States840 Posts
I can realize this which is why I asked him to explain his posts. Because my previous read I posted about him is no convincing to me. Although with Vonthin flipping town I'm not so sure anymore if he's scummy or just failing to properly explain himself in a way that I can understand. Nyx's is giving us nothing, how can you expect me to group him as anything other than scum? | ||
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onlywonderboy
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onlywonderboy
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istandwithmitt
Brazil117 Posts
On October 17 2013 02:56 Seuss wrote: Question: GGTeMpLaR posted that in response to a post I made suggesting we vote for SagaZ or July617. If you think GGTeMpLaR was scum, do you think he was trying to deflect the vote away from other scum or do you think he was simply sowing discord? Maybe. There's no point in conjecturing a bunch of "what ifs." I think his line of thinking is really scummy & it's independent of July or SagaZ possible alignments. If he flips scum, it would be worth looking at but considering neither is in serious of danger of being lynched atm, I think it's just as likely that he might have just been deflecting off town onto a townie he's been pushing for a while. | ||
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Bereft
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July617
United States72 Posts
On October 16 2013 10:32 OdinOfPergo wrote: So why don't you? You complain about a lack of details. Yet you don't ask any questions. Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ? I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him. Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first . So you actually do think that wasting a vote on Istand is a worthless vote. You're pretty much admitting to just taking the easy vote? The Nyx statement at the end was just a very brief rehashing mixed with a "Oh look, I'm helping" Nyx's one liners are the same use of Instands at this point to me. The only thing he hasn't done is post anything but them. Everything short of reading what you seriously already posted? Did you read the two and a half pages before it? "Oh his post are worse than mine" If this is true why are you still around? Why is Nyx getting the nice crumble of a supposed tip? Why do you choose mitt over Vontin? Are you trying to pull the weight off your scum buddy? I don't like this. Vonthin is a strong lynch for the town right now. You could of gone from one no poster to another. I only remember a few post that got brought up. ##vote July617 | ||
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July617
United States72 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:57 July617 wrote: EBWOP : Fucked up on the page placement . sorry guys . Here were my reads and reasoning, I voted for mitt because of the fact that he was written off day one with his own post's; yes admittedly they had more stronger of a case then myself but they were still bad IMO. As the day went on I started seeing the voltin votes going through, but i chose mitt in the end because he was IMO a bad town, he was playing like it and although now it's night one and he's still the same. Save us all the headaches and deal with it like we should of night SagaZ what do you think about Templar as of now ? Do you agree with his reasoning on pg 18 of why we should vote for mitt? I was assumed to be attempting to fly under the radar with the voltin votes what if i asked you the same thing, do you think you flew under the radar of suspicion, the only one here 100% town is seus, I know we'd all like to develop a town circle but it's always best to stay on your toes don't you think ? I'd also like to here from the rest of the town on SagaZ and your reads on him. Expanding my thought's later I'd like to hear the answer's first . | ||
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Balla24
2322 Posts
On October 17 2013 03:42 Bereft wrote: I actually don't think nyx has a lot of explaining to do, as some of you have put it. it's not a strong read, but I peg him as town right now. all he's done is shown a lack of confidence + some major sheeping, but his voting patterns actually are what make me skeptical that he'd be mafia. I'll reread when I get home tonight, but off the top of my head, he (a) showed an easy willingness to hammer someone who ultimately turned out to be town (mafia would've known vonthin would flip green and that hammering him the way nyx did would put them in a very bad light) and (b) encouraged us not to switch votes at the last minute (reinforces point a). just some food for thought... I don't like this line of thinking, the first points I agree with, that kind of lack of confidence seems to be common with townies in these games (onlywonderboy specifically does it too) but the voting? But if that's the case its probably also common with scum. You could easily say that he knew that you would know that so he went for it anyways which is why I don't like thinking like that. Plus, the way he reacted to Vonthin voting for him tells me he didn't even think about if he was hammering him or not. He voted very fast and without hesitation. After that it's safe for a scum to not change their vote often, especially since him changing his vote later would not effect the outcome as others had joined in afterwards. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 16 2013 18:57 SagaZ wrote: I guess there is some mafia in this vote participant, so the people here should be under some scrutiny. Aside from Seuss from this group, my strongest town read is Bereft. Even though Vonthin was a miss lynch, his reasoning looked strong and prevented the mitt super band wagon. My strongest scum reads: nyx and onlywonderboy. I have said it and will repeat it, they give us absolutely nothing to work with and jump on the easy lynch train. Still looks mafia but less than the 2 above: playerboy345, less than the others for the sole reason that he gave a bit more to work with. Again, what I really really hate about his posts is how hard he goes on E00e for what E00e said (which looked like an honest newby mistake to me). He says talking about blues is a big nono this early in the game (which is perfectly resonable) but then he proceed so damn hard on it that at this point he's been the one talking about it more than the rest. I also don't like the timing of his post, after Seuss brough some order to the town discussion by asking to focus on me and july, player comes in and repeat his grief on E00e. Looks a bit like he was trying to sidetrack the discussion to me. He still reads less scummy than the 2 above to me, honestly what I say about the timing might be absolutly nothing and just how his timezone works. My post looks dedicated to him because I think I already made my view on wonderboy and nyx in my earlier post but not really on him. I think there is a good chance to be like 1 or 2 scums in the people that voted Vorthin. So from my perspective, I'd really like to hear nyxnyxnyx, onlywonderboy and player345. Because right now I'd feel comfortable going for either of those. Bereft's toughs would be good too, especially cause so far he has been helping the town I think. And to end on a side note, how does everyone stands on mitt now? Cause I am now very fking confused... ~I'm a lot less certain of Bereft as town after Vonthin flipped town. Based on all his posts, he seems like an intelligent player which makes me skeptical of why he was willing to risk a miss-lynch on a potentially useful town versus a probably useless town. His reasons made sense, I just feel like my reasons for istandwithmitt were a much safer play that made more sense. You pointing out that he prevented the "istandwithmitt" bandwagon is a little ironic considering that the vote just became a "Vonthin" bandwagon that everyone jumped on instead. ~I actually agree with you that there are likely one, maybe even two mafia in the vote. However, unlike you, the only person I'm willing to write off at this point is the confirmed town Seuss. onlywonderboy still hasn't contributed enough for me to get any sort of read on him. I find your criticism of playerboy345 for tunneling E00e somewhat inconsistent. Yes, playerboy345 completely overreacted, but I think you're looking too much into it given your willingness to tunnel on nyxnyxnyx for his blind following of OdinOfPergo. I was the first person to point suspicion onto nyxnyxnyx for his lap dog play towards OdinOfPergo and it made me highly suspicious of both of them despite what I believe to be OdinOfPergo's pro-town play this game. However, it isn't enough to commit to nyxnyxnyx being mafia as quickly as you seem willing to. This point, combined with your continued faith in Bereft makes me actually suspicious of a Bereft-SagaZ connection just as much as I am of a nyxnyxnyx-OdinOfPergo connection, if not more-so. I want to note it could be possible in either of these connections that there is just one mafia buddying-up to a town and it isn't necessary that if one of the partners in the pair is mafia, that the other need be either. However, these connections are definitely worth noting and looking into. Regarding playerboy345 and E00e, I would like more information to go off of, but I am definitely more comfortable lite-reading E00e as town at this point and I'm unsure on whether playerboy345 is the possible 3rd mafia in one of the two pairs I just listed. Another possibility for the 3rd mafia could be July617, however, I'm more comfortable with him as town at this point. If anyone else besides the confirmed town had said this first, I would be almost certain that July617 was mafia with the person who said it: On October 16 2013 07:46 Seuss wrote: If Vonthin flips Mafia we can read a lot into people's votes. If he flips town we can be pretty certain July isn't mafia, which will cease the abusing relationship between his head and his desk I am at fault for. -I'm not confused about istandwithmitt, but I don't really know what to do with him now. Lynching a weak, non-contributing town seems like a perfectly safe Day 1 lynch, but after that you really need to raise the bar to targeting actual mafia rather than trimming the fat on town. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 16 2013 22:11 Balla24 wrote: I also have a town read on E00, and that's probably my best town read. This guy has been solid in his reasoning and I like his plays in reaction to playerboy's call out. Very nice, IMO. I do want to revisit the Playerboy -> E00 situation. Playerboy, how do you read that as a soft-claim? He was genuinely trying to start a discussion on when cop should come out because that's an easy way for scum to slip and for scum to give a town-like opinion on something (which is better than not saying anything at all). It's a common way to start some conversation on day1. The fact that you were so angry at the fact that he did that really makes me think you're trying to gain town cred for flipping out over some small mistake. Also I'd like to hear about why you think E00 saying "i'm not going to confirm or deny i'm cop" is bad as well. If he's a good townie he has to debunk your "soft-claiming talk" whether he is cop or he is not. As far as nyx. ATM he is my highest scum read and I will push for him today as long as nothing changes during this nightphase/nightactions. Nyx, why did you think Vonthin was mafia? What specifically did you not like about his small defense (things he didn't mention etc etc)? Why was switching his vote to you the last nail in the coffin for you for him being scum? ~While I like your town read on E00e, my reasons are completely different as I mostly read his posts as naive (but genuine) town. What I am noting however is that you in general seem to have the same reads as SagaZ and seem to be giving the same reasons SagaZ gave, which makes you a likely 3rd mafia in my hypothetical SagaZ-Bereft connection. Those reads being: -you like E00e and dislike playerboy345 for his pressure on E00e. -you scum read hard on nyxnyxnyx You didn't really say you town-read on Bereft, which would seal the deal for me, but saying nothing on them is mildly suspicious as well. What are your thoughts on Bereft and why? I'd also like to hear Bereft's thoughts on SagaZ and Balla24 at this point. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On October 17 2013 01:00 istandwithmitt wrote: Hey this is a really scummy post. Can you guys tell me why? Why don't you explain it because I thought it was the most pro-town post in the thread so far, which I continue to think after reading this latest post of yours being followed by a vote on me without any reasons whatsoever besides "I think it's scummy". | ||
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Seuss
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