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Old Partner
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:21 Grackaroni wrote: Hooray for collaboration! Together we may actually be able to solve this game KoshI!!!! yay for us! | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On September 16 2013 18:23 Old Partner wrote: there's like no way there's a single-shot vigi, right? He'd have claimed already if he was gonna claim. Also there was only 1 nk, though yeah doctors vets etc, WoS does not make sense as a night shot. I guess we can safely assume if there is a vigi he's multi-shot. seems kinda op in a mini though, i guess it would be less op to have a multi-shot vigi in a game with veterans, doctors, 2 survivors with 2-shot hiding, etc. Exactly my point. | ||
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Old Partner
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Koshi
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Blazinghand: You are getting lynched today because i gave you an option when N1 started; "Prove us that you are helping the town and we might not lynch you". What did you do? Instead of even looking like you are trying to help you told us why it's not beneficial for you to help us and you straight out said you won't do it. Even if you are a survivor, to me you are +1 mafia, because you don't give a fuck about the town. You count towards mafia win condition, and that makes you one more mafia. You need to die. If mafia really shot WoS on N1 they are extremely stupid and don't know how to play this game. WoS was blue? Bullshit, everyone who knowsanything about this game would have seen WoS is not blue. There is a difference between how blue players operate in comparsion to anti-town players. In case blues do not want to stick their neck out, they still want to do everything to help the town without sticking their necks out. WoS was definitely doing nothing to help the town. Therefore he was obviously not blue, and not town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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9 - 3 (+2) - 1. Mislynch D1, Mafia NK + SK NK go through. Town cannot win anymore in case SK does not shoot mafia every night. Legit game, yeah? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
If you still think that makes me mafia, fine. Then make a case. But now every post you make is the same thing about me over and over again and nothing ends in any other conclusion than "rayn might be scum or not". You seem to think Zealos is scum, i have no idea what you think about any other player than Zealos atm. It worries me. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor" | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 16 2013 20:18 Zealos wrote: I've changed my mind again. If we don't kill OP today, we will look back at the end of the game and be like "How did we let a potential SK or Squm survive when at best they are a survivor" Stop talking about OP. Who do you think is scum and why? | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On September 16 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Stop talking about OP. Who do you think is scum and why? From what I remember, SnB. He seems very keen to tunnel and not really contribute new ideas, rather hiding in old ones. I'll have to give a lot more reasoning and get some other scumreads when I get home, but SnB just seems very off to me. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
How do you go from this: On September 14 2013 06:10 strongandbig wrote: I just reread through old partners filter. I don't have a super food reason why he's town but I don't want to lunch him... It's just, like, I really don't see any good reason why he's scum either. It seems like lynching him would be a policy Lynne on his new attempted playstyle. I'd rather lynch zealos or Ryan whose play seems to me scum motivated / to match their scum meta better than their town meta. On September 16 2013 05:59 strongandbig wrote: ..to this: not really sure how to answer this. his only scum games were over a year ago. in both town and scum games at that point he played completely differently than he has in his past three games this year (all town) and this game. I guess you have a point - I can argue "there's a difference in his play from his previous town games / recent town meta, and it's scummy" but I can't say " this is the same as his recent scum meta" because that doesnt exist. These are the things that make me think you are scum. You are just lying. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
OP might not be survivor but he is probably 3p of some type. All the scum are going to be dying to kill him because he is an easy lynch with obvious reasons for wanting to lynch him. On September 16 2013 02:49 Papa_Smurf wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 16 2013 02:11 kushm4sta wrote: As scum you tell people how to play like with general newbie tips for how to play mafia. In your example, you were explaining why someone's case was bad / your thought process. It was not a superficial tip like you do in your scumgames. Here is another example: This is completely different than the type of lecturing you did in that town game. ~~~~ Regarding your emotionality, in your town examples of you being emotional, it's not really that emotional. You are simple explaining yourself and using capitalization for emphasis. You have a completely different attitude as town. You are calm, methodical, logical. As scum you are aggressive, blunt, and mean. You look for superficial scumtells and latch onto them without analyzing deeper. ~~~~ You try to discount me because I've provided only two examples. I only did two in my original thread because I am lazy and tired and shit (awake all night). I have provided two more in this post. There are more still! ~~~~ Add to that the fact that you are literally freaking out right now. Your posting rate has jumped like crazy, like your heart rate if you had a gun to your head. You put crap tons of effort into this defense. Quoting past games and shit. If only you put a fraction of that effort into scum hunting, maybe I might believe you are town. 2 more quotes from THIS GAME. WOW ' THAT'S GREAT ADDED META ANALYSIS. 2 more quotes from this game. wow. Not from my games where you would get a meta read. look at the red 1) "There are more still" implies he has already found more quotes from other games. Why did he not post them? "he's lazy and tired"? All he has to do is quote them. Kush is lying 2) Why has kush still not shown any of the above tells as trends in all my games? He has 2 quotes from two other games, which do not in any way indicate a trend when I have so kindly provided multiple quotes from 3 other games of mine. It's because he can't. 3) Why is kush so eager to lynch me over SnB, who should be the obvious lynch in a 15 player game with another survivor already flipped? @ps you dind't debunk shit. You just called me lazy is all you did. I ask you to find a town game where you insulted someone. You said "you do it." But my point is that there is none. Oh and I think this grack kid is full of shit. He's scum with ps probably. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
if someone contradicts themselves that doesn't make them scum | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You case does not prove debears as scum. It's however proven that BH is not trying to help the town. If he is SK we remove a KP from the game. If he is survivor, he is basically +1 mafia because he does not want to help the town. He counts towards mafia wincon. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
Koshi - Trying to figure out the game. Has some very good arguments, some of which are not that good. In any case, everything points towards him wanting to figure out this game. If he was scum he would be the scum team leader, it's hard for me to believe that having played with him when he was scum. This is how i described Koshi's meta before this game: + Show Spoiler + As town: Koshi is really good at solving stuff if you give him the guidelines to do so (see me in this game, see Vivax & me in Sicilian). Koshi is really bad at solving stuff if nobody gives him the guidelines. If he is accused he will go into "i am so bad, damn i am so bad, i know my posts are bad" -mode. As scum: Koshi panics when pressured. This will translate into "i will not post anything any more, as i can't get out of the situation". Usually he has no direction behind his posting, unless someone tells him how to do it (see me and Acro in GoT - Koshi was already willing to go into lurk-mode when Dandel & Xatalos "figured him out" on N0-D1, we told Koshi to look at the thread, make some theory about what has happened and stick with it no matter what happens). He did so and got an insta town read from Xatalos and a lot of other people. Summary: If there is no direction in his play, accuse him of his bad logic, and see how he reacts. If lurk - prolly scum, if "i'm bad" - prolly town. If he has thoughts that make sense, read the thread. Where did he get those thoughts? If there is a strong town read of his who "crumbs" stuff, he is prolly town putting the pieces together, if not, maybe someone in scum QT gives him guidelines of what to do. This was after the GoT game. This is not totally accurate any more, because after that Koshi has become far more confident in his town play. Look at Aperture, this is totally town!Koshi. Grackaroni: Trying to move the game forward. His fakeclaim was useless, but there is no reason he should have done that as mafia. No way. If anyone seriously thinks (even as scum) debears is gonna get lynched today after how BH has acted, they are stupid. Grackaroni is town. kushm4sta: Totally different from his scumgames. He is trying to push his reads and trying to make cases. scum!kush is lazy as fuck, there is no way he would have done the case on debears as scum. Oatsmaster: I have a slight town read on Oats based on his posting style and his reads and the explanations (or rather "explanations") behind them. After N2 and BH flip i should have a better read on him. Null dudes: Pandain: Some stuff is good, some stuff makes no sense to me. I hope he would contribute more. Umasi/Zealos/Snodude: I think one of these guys is scum. Atm i am leaning on Snodude. He has done absolutely nothing. Zealos has some posts that point towards him being town. Umasi (GK) had a good start into the game. After that he has done very little. Everyone of those guys need to contribute more. SnB: I am slightly leaning scum on him. The roleblock claim is something that we need to think about after more night actions, at this point that points into townie more than into scum. I wqould hope he would contribute something other than saying stuff about me and then calling me null.. Scum: VayneAuthority: Bad arguments, doesn't give a shit about the lynch, bad cases that are based on nothing. Inconsistancies in logic. I am making a case on N2. debears: Didn't care about scumhunting on D1 and seems like he doesn't give a shit about it now. He has basically devoted the game to calling me & Koshi bad.. Makes no sense because as town (or even as 3p) debears is fucking good at this shit. I am not seeing it here atm. This is not as strong of a read than Vayne, and it could be that debears is town, but i need a lot more from him. SQUM: BlazingHand: Needs to die. Is not helping the town and it has been proven by himself. He is either (1) mafia, (2) Serial Killer, (3) Survivor who is basically +1 mafia, or (4) some other third faction, that's harmful to town. We are lynching him today. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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