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On September 16 2013 17:08 Koshi wrote:
BH
1) Why did you keep these long notes on D1? You really read nothing out of that? I don't believe it.
2) The last 100 post you made were actually more anti-town than town. You have been promising shit to us but in the end you don't deliver. This is really the last time I waste a post to you.
plzdiethx!
1) The long notes were just there to distract
2) anything that's not a push on PS/DB only hurts me!
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On September 16 2013 17:29 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.
I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.
What do you want to know? Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him. They told me this: If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town. If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum. He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam. Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game? I disagree with a lot of his posts and a lot of his ideas. but I would describe him as aggressive and in my face this game rather than passive and shifty.
Yeah, I really think he is town because of his meta.
+ I also think that PS is scum so I really don't have problems with Oats.
What do you think about VA?
My main problem with VA:
Except for the start for this game VA doesn't take hard stances on people. His hard defence on SnB was interesting, his vote on blubb was cool but after that he is really not doing anything anymore. VA comments too many times on things between x/y with "I am pretty sure one of x/y is scum", which is something I don't remember VA doing. Most of the time he has some sort of interesting conclusion or he is way more certain about somebody being scum than this.
Like I said before. I have been x/y too many times in VA his little "reads" that VA must think I am scum and that my counterparts must be town. But for some reason we all keep being scum...
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Certain is maybe the wrong word, stubborn describes it better. He only needs a little thingie to think somebody is scum for AN ENTIRE GAME. I would suggest that you read Persona and VA his filter. He is on johnnywup his ass for the entire game for the smallest thing.
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On September 16 2013 17:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 17:29 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:27 Koshi wrote:On September 16 2013 17:14 Grackaroni wrote:On September 16 2013 17:09 Koshi wrote:
@grack.
I have played a shitton with Oats lately. Nuclear Winter Mafia, Titanic, Persona, Aperture and now this game.
What do you want to know? Just what you think his alignment this game is and how you can tell. Every game I see someone talking about how Oats is the easiest player to read and I have absolutely no idea how to read him. They told me this: If Oats is agressive and in your face he is town. If Oats is passive and shifty he is scum. He was pretty passive and evasive in NWM in which he was scum with me. Not the biggest help to the scumteam. Are there examples that you need to have to form an opinion about him? What bothers you about him this game? I disagree with a lot of his posts and a lot of his ideas. but I would describe him as aggressive and in my face this game rather than passive and shifty. Yeah, I really think he is town because of his meta. + I also think that PS is scum so I really don't have problems with Oats. What do you think about VA? My main problem with VA: Except for the start for this game VA doesn't take hard stances on people. His hard defence on SnB was interesting, his vote on blubb was cool but after that he is really not doing anything anymore. VA comments too many times on things between x/y with "I am pretty sure one of x/y is scum", which is something I don't remember VA doing. Most of the time he has some sort of interesting conclusion or he is way more certain about somebody being scum than this. Like I said before. I have been x/y too many times in VA his little "reads" that VA must think I am scum and that my counterparts must be town. But for some reason we all keep being scum...
I have never played with Vayne before so I don't know if he ususally does the I'm pretty sure x/y is scum. But I agree that vayne is scummy. He just hasn't been here for town at all lately, I think he made a play to grab early town cred by making a case on blubbdavid and then when people started to write him off as town he got lazy and completely stopped analyzing the game.
That's actually a great catch on the lack of hard stances as well. For somebody who walked into the game absolutely confident somebody is town you would think he would have some new ones.
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On September 16 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Seems like the red smurf is not answering. But partly why I think PS is scum.
When he was still smurfing. (And this only lasted for 3 pages lol)
1) He was easy to read. Nice pressure on Vayne + SnB.
2) He started asking questions about Kush to VA. While Kush had said nothing at all. This wouldn't be a problem if Mr smurf didn't know who Kush was, but surprise surprise, 200 posts later he is still on Kush.
So now I want to know if Debears can really read Kush. If he can't, he is scum.
and because I think Kush is town ---> Debears is likely scum.
On September 16 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Then there is the fact that PS quality of posts when he is talking set-up speculation (see his post about the NK) or his defense of the kush case is way better and readable than his scumhunting posts. You can read that he has interesting ideas, there is some level of smartness coming from it.
The one-line scumhunting is just being agressive and there is nothing smart to read behind his scumhunt posts. (Early in the game he had smart questions to VA, now it is just bad questions.) The big post he did before Day 2 was really bad and everybody ended up with a scumread. "this I like about you" "this I don't like about you"
I am pretty sure he knew that post was so shitty he didn't bother formatting it better.
Grack your opinion on this?
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On September 16 2013 17:55 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 06:59 Koshi wrote:
Ok. Seems like the red smurf is not answering. But partly why I think PS is scum.
When he was still smurfing. (And this only lasted for 3 pages lol)
1) He was easy to read. Nice pressure on Vayne + SnB.
2) He started asking questions about Kush to VA. While Kush had said nothing at all. This wouldn't be a problem if Mr smurf didn't know who Kush was, but surprise surprise, 200 posts later he is still on Kush.
So now I want to know if Debears can really read Kush. If he can't, he is scum.
and because I think Kush is town ---> Debears is likely scum. Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 07:32 Koshi wrote:
Then there is the fact that PS quality of posts when he is talking set-up speculation (see his post about the NK) or his defense of the kush case is way better and readable than his scumhunting posts. You can read that he has interesting ideas, there is some level of smartness coming from it.
The one-line scumhunting is just being agressive and there is nothing smart to read behind his scumhunt posts. (Early in the game he had smart questions to VA, now it is just bad questions.) The big post he did before Day 2 was really bad and everybody ended up with a scumread. "this I like about you" "this I don't like about you"
I am pretty sure he knew that post was so shitty he didn't bother formatting it better. Grack your opinion on this?
I need a sec to look over some of the other points you are saying but I can understand him being suspicious of Kushm4sta before Kush came in and started using his meta because he kept promising to do things and then never followed through. It's possble that after that there might be some confirmation bias coming out because all Kush did was come in with a meta case against him, which wasn't even that good.
There was times when I would have considered Kushm4sta scum if it wasn't for the fact that I was so convinced that Zealos and Pandain were mafia and they both had their votes on the kushm4sta. Now I'm leaning town just from the fact that he seems to be looking into people's meta and trying to solve the game in the way that I think he scumhunts. Honestly Kushm4sta didn't have to do anything at this point because he's developed a reputation for being useless as either alignment, so if he was scum he probably could have gotten away with continuing to be useless.
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I think as scum Kushm4sta would want town to believe that he is going to be useful, and him not having followed through made him look scummy
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well i'm off to bed! my life is in your hands
please let me win!
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On September 16 2013 18:07 Grackaroni wrote:
I think as scum Kushm4sta would want town to believe that he is going to be useful, and him not having followed through made him look scummy
Well, if Kush or rayn or both are scum I am going to be really sad after this game.
But my cases + ideas are out there. Going to peace out for a while and see what people have to say.
Wonder where The Snowman went to. I remember him being a long time away from the game in Persona. But he warned us for that. Now he is just MIA.
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yeah it's almost like scum has to put in no effort today cause we're lynching me zzz
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Actually I do see something off in Debears big reads post. It seems like he has a lot of reasoning to believe that Vayne is scum and ended up with a slight town read on him for some reason.
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On September 16 2013 18:14 Old Partner wrote:
yeah it's almost like scum has to put in no effort today cause we're lynching me zzz
scum has to put in no effort today because you are not providing anything to unsettle them
at least I tried to put pressure on my biggest scumread but it made a townie claim vet instead. So nha. Shit aint working.
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man i voted PS/DB! it's not like anyone except a few people were seriously considering not lynching me. Just as a matter of policy I can't imagine why you wouldn't lynch me. it's not about being right, it's about lynching extra survivor claims
bahhhhhhh bahhhh
this kind of bullshit always happens to me. I roll masoner, M1 another masoner is shot and people are like "omg 2 masoners in a 12 man game, no wai" EVEN THOUGH THE GUY I TARGETED N1 CLAIMED IT
and now I roll survivor and N1 another survivor is shot
wtf is this bullshit
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man new rule I'm never claiming ever again before D2
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I'm not sure I'm fulling getting across how bullshit this is
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Hooray for collaboration! Together we may actually be able to solve this game KoshI!!!!
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On September 16 2013 18:19 Old Partner wrote:
man i voted PS/DB! it's not like anyone except a few people were seriously considering not lynching me. Just as a matter of policy I can't imagine why you wouldn't lynch me. it's not about being right, it's about lynching extra survivor claims
bahhhhhhh bahhhh
this kind of bullshit always happens to me. I roll masoner, M1 another masoner is shot and people are like "omg 2 masoners in a 12 man game, no wai" EVEN THOUGH THE GUY I TARGETED N1 CLAIMED IT
and now I roll survivor and N1 another survivor is shot
wtf is this bullshit
Remember that time that there was a town vote rigger and he killed you day 1.
Good times!
The only thing that will take my vote of you is if the vigi claims. Then I might want to consider doing it. I can't believe a multishot town vigi unless scum has a veteran and shit like that.
I believe there is an SK and in no way there are 2 survivors and an SK
That is the main problem.
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>mfw koshi grack PS/DB Pandain scumteam and everyone i've been talking to today has been freaking scum just yanking my chain
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there's like no way there's a single-shot vigi, right? He'd have claimed already if he was gonna claim. Also there was only 1 nk, though yeah doctors vets etc, WoS does not make sense as a night shot.
I guess we can safely assume if there is a vigi he's multi-shot. seems kinda op in a mini though, i guess it would be less op to have a multi-shot vigi in a game with veterans, doctors, 2 survivors with 2-shot hiding, etc.
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On September 16 2013 18:22 Old Partner wrote:
>mfw koshi grack PS/DB Pandain scumteam and everyone i've been talking to today has been freaking scum just yanking my chain
lmao, if that was the scum team this game would already be over. those are like the 4 most active and influential people in the game right now (maybe rayn)... just not really how the game works.
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