EPTI think Rayn is scum and debears is town.
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: So if BH flips none-scum, am I scummier for being correct rayn? I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. No you are not. If BH flips scum you are confirmed town to me because you have been pushing him all game you have been here. If BH flips non-scum, you don't look worse than before (not that you look bad now). I might have worded my post poorly, what i am trying to say is that BH flip can only make you look better than now, not worse. That's what i am saying. Do you have any other comments on my reads? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
 Uh, I dont like your vayne read, and your townread on koshi means koshi is confirmed town. Nice job. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Im confused. I dont want to kill BH anymore. Do I still get cred? If so, cool Uh, I dont like your vayne read, and your townread on koshi means koshi is confirmed town. Nice job. I will elaborate my read on Vayne more before D3. It's pretty sure to me he is mafia. In short, he voted for blubbers for no reasoning given. After that he said blubbers looks better and some people (Grack/Koshi/BH) look worse. He never changed his vote. Then he got a scumread on kush. Then he was willing to lynch kush. He never did anything to convince anyone on any other of his scumreads and just left his vote on blubbers who in the end somehow again looked scummier?!?!? After PC he is trying to call people on blubbers scum, calls the wagon "started by him" (lol - he never gave any reason for blubb to be scum, ever), and is suspicious of people who jumped on HIS MISLYNCH WAGON HE NEVER RETRACTED FROM. After this, from his filter pages 4 -> 7 is shitting on me/Grack/Koshi. Now he has "indentified the scumteam as rayn/Grack/Koshi", yet his vote remains on a survivor? In case BH in fact flips scum it's gonna be awesome regarding information. If that happens look at the start of the game when people wanted to kill Pandain over BH. Look at how i question people about why Pandain looks worse than BH. Do you agree on my reads on kush/Grack? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Pandain is town. Grack is town, kush i dunno. I think hes town cause he hasnt really been bussing it seems. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:26 Oatsmaster wrote: So if BH flips none-scum, am I scummier for being correct rayn? I think Rayn is scum and debears is town. Huh? Did oats suddenly get replaced? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone who voted for blubbers was bad/scummy. Pandain is town. Grack is town, kush i dunno. I think hes town cause he hasnt really been bussing it seems. The reason why i am not sure about Pandain is because on D1 he changed his reads all over the place for no apparent reasoning. I mean, he called Koshi/Grack scum at some point, then on N1 they were suddenly town for "look at their filters". I think that can come from townie too, but why did he not realize that earlier? The only read for him that remains "static" is kush, and i think he is wrong in that read. I like him realizing Vayne is probably scum. Do you agree with me that at least one of Zealos/Snodude/Umasi is scum? | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 16 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reason why i am not sure about Pandain is because on D1 he changed his reads all over the place for no apparent reasoning. I mean, he called Koshi/Grack scum at some point, then on N1 they were suddenly town for "look at their filters". I think that can come from townie too, but why did he not realize that earlier? The only read for him that remains "static" is kush, and i think he is wrong in that read. I like him realizing Vayne is probably scum. Do you agree with me that at least one of Zealos/Snodude/Umasi is scum? Changing reads constantly on d1 is usually morr indicative of town. Its hard to figure out solid reads with so little information | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:00 Papa_Smurf wrote: Changing reads constantly on d1 is usually morr indicative of town. Its hard to figure out solid reads with so little information Yeah i know. It's the reasoning that bothers me (or rather, the lack of it). I'm not too bothered about Pandain atm, if he is town he'll probably get killed at some point. What do you think of my other reads? You can ignore my read on you as it should get better when you contribute to other reads / make your own when you do so. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah i know. It's the reasoning that bothers me (or rather, the lack of it). I'm not too bothered about Pandain atm, if he is town he'll probably get killed at some point. What do you think of my other reads? You can ignore my read on you as it should get better when you contribute to other reads / make your own when you do so. The main thing I need to address is vayne. did you look ay the string of posts early game rigbt after he found out as debears? The posts screamed town to me. Thats the reason for the slight town read. anyways everyone else is same old. Lack of activity going around. nothing new to really say. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:08 Papa_Smurf wrote: The main thing I need to address is vayne. did you look ay the string of posts early game rigbt after he found out as debears? The posts screamed town to me. Thats the reason for the slight town read. anyways everyone else is same old. Lack of activity going around. nothing new to really say. It looked townie to me too. But vayne is pretty good as scum, and is not even afraid of bussing. What do you think? Was he right on what he said about you? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
what? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
When he found out you are debears, he got at least a slight scum read on you right? What happens after this. He does never, after that, address you in any way in any of his posts. He does not try to find out if you in fact are scum or not although he thought your meta-read on him was bad. Does that not ring any alarm bells to you? Actually, if you look at the game after that argument with you, vayne does not try to find out whho is mafia, at all. He just picks some comments and says some people are scum because of them. He is not trying to figure out the game, he is posting stuff based on what happens in thread. His conclusions arn't even good. | ||
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Papa_Smurf
336 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: debears, about what we talked about vayne. This is what i mean; When he found out you are debears, he got at least a slight scum read on you right? What happens after this. He does never, after that, address you in any way in any of his posts. He does not try to find out if you in fact are scum or not although he thought your meta-read on him was bad. Does that not ring any alarm bells to you? Actually, if you look at the game after that argument with you, vayne does not try to find out whho is mafia, at all. He just picks some comments and says some people are scum because of them. He is not trying to figure out the game, he is posting stuff based on what happens in thread. His conclusions arn't even good. While I cant deny vayne has not looked t9wn recrntly. Why should I lynch him (in whom I see something screaming town) over the lurkers (im whom I see absolutely nothing screaming town. also, do you think kush is town still? I believe you said his case on me wasnt great. Does that case on me reflect his play in persona? Does kush having only one actual read, and a bad case on that read, reflect his play in persona at this point in the game? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On September 16 2013 23:59 Papa_Smurf wrote: While I cant deny vayne has not looked t9wn recrntly. Why should I lynch him (in whom I see something screaming town) over the lurkers (im whom I see absolutely nothing screaming town. also, do you think kush is town still? I believe you said his case on me wasnt great. Does that case on me reflect his play in persona? Does kush having only one actual read, and a bad case on that read, reflect his play in persona at this point in the game? It does reflect his play in the manner that he is trying to do something. In Persona he started playing on D2, while his reads were not good at that point he had reads and tried push them in his own way. His was consistent and while his posts were not that "good" his train of thought could be easily followed. I can see the same traits in his play here. While i dot think his case proves you are scum that's a big town tell for kush that he even came up with the case. He actually did look into your past games and made a case on his scumread. I would like him to prove what you asked him to prove. Actually, if you are kind enough could you find some quote from some of your towngames where you actually do get mad as town? The closest i can come up with is your stance on me in Desert D3 start, and there you didn't get mad. You called me scum. You could shut down kush's case if you do so. I also think kush has more scumreads than one, you are just his strongest one. | ||
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Pandain
United States12984 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
At this point his tunnel feels justified to me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On September 17 2013 00:15 Pandain wrote: Oats I still don't understand why you want BH alive. You think there being two survivors is more likely than PS being town? i 180ed | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
What do you think about his case on debears and about what i just said about it? | ||
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