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Just to be sure, the veteran can practically not be lynched? If he has a majority on him at deadline it'll be like a no-lynch and he'll be confirmed town? | ||
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On July 26 2013 08:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Veteran dies just like anyone else. I suppose I should fix the flavor on that one too. Thanks, flavor got me tripped up with the: night kill = throwing overboard = lynched ^^ Hi Mr Sparrow. | ||
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Yeah I'm a real partypooper The town vigi and scum kp are the only two kinds of nightkills and I can't really think of a scenario where the vigi does NOT want to see what his target flipped, meaning the vigi will want to send you the shot as late as possible.... which means scum want to do the same, which creates this weird and silly thing that shouldn't exist, right? What is the advantage in doing this over just having the janitor clean the scum kill that night. | ||
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On July 26 2013 21:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The vig can shoot during day phase too btw Oh, right, "at any time". I suck, thanks for pointing that out | ||
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Also Oats, why do you first define a lurker as the least amount of posts, and then define him as having the least content instead? On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly. So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days? On July 27 2013 11:35 Oatsmaster wrote: There isnt a difference between lurking and not posting. There is a difference between high effort low post count and low effort low post count. You are aware of WHY people start day1 by claiming to policy lynch lurkers right? We want to force people to post and contribute so we can get a read on them. This doesn't mean we have to follow through on it but if town plays properly none of them will lurk which forces scum to post. It's just a statement you make and then you move on, so move on. | ||
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On July 27 2013 16:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity do you think Oats is mafia? No reason that I suspect him of being mafia over anyone else atm, no. On July 27 2013 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am just going to say that i'll be home in around ~10-12 hours so don't waste time on discussing my alignment before i start playing. Oats is most likely town and should be listened to. Enjoy your bday rayn. There's no way you could've left without a blanket statement like "x is town because I said so"? Pretty sure, from what I remember, oats opens every mafia game like this. Mr Firmtofu, why is exarezee looking town to you and why did you feel the need to share this with the class? | ||
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On July 27 2013 19:11 hzflank wrote: After reading Tofu's filter I am going to have to decline at this point. He actually looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread (or at least my read on him has changed after some rereads of his posts). To me it actually looks like Tofu is trying to open the game up for scum-hunters. I realize that your post is not serious, Clarity, however I would appreciate it if you could tell us if you actually have a reason for a wagon on Tofu. I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ On July 27 2013 09:54 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah, I dunno what you guys are doing fluffing up the thread with fluff and general bullshit but It's be great if we could discuss the game now. FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, I'm back on a computer. This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if 1) Half the town is lurking or 2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: On July 27 2013 11:37 FirmTofu wrote: If you're going to wait, then I'm going to have to vote you until you do. ##Vote: exarezee You can't simply say you have scumreads and not explain them. "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. On July 27 2013 13:31 FirmTofu wrote: ##Unvote I'm not sure that the case on paperscraps has much substance to it, but at least it's something. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: On July 27 2013 13:39 FirmTofu wrote: If I had to lynch someone right now, it would be CJS. All of his posts are filled with fluff and he has a random vote on Oats. I'm hating having to decipher all of his wordplay in his posting. Paperscraps would not be a bad lynch for similar reasons. I'm not as convinced as I am for CJS, but suspicion is still there. Right now, exarezee is looking pretty town. Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. On July 27 2013 13:41 FirmTofu wrote: I want to hear more from stutters and the people who haven't posted yet. For all we know, the entire mafia team could be in that group of people. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. | ||
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I don't believe 7 minutes is enough time to read a page of filter, make sure you understand the context, and reach a conclusion about the persons alignment. Given that you were so quick to respond and I disagreed with your conclusion I called you out on it, if you think that's scummy then call it scummy, if you think that's wrong then call it wrong, but don't say you "didn't like it" because that's just useless for everyone involved. | ||
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There is even a giant ______________________________________________________________________________________________________ inbetween So... what association are you talking about? | ||
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On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote: The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum. I don't really understand what you're doing. I ask for people's opinion on Tofu cause people are being active and I'm working on a case. I get a reply from you saying you think he looks town. So after finishing my case, I quote you, and I say: I DISAGREE BECAUSE ____________ *CASE* Are you feeling attacked? | ||
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You're saying that I, as scum, replied to you in the same post as my case on tofu so that you, as town, would feel enticed to defend tofu? Which accomplishes what? But then you're also saying that I, as scum, did that so that my case would be "less likely to attract votes"? Please explain what the thing is that "makes me look scummy" | ||
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I understand why you're not supposed to defend it, what baffles me is that you thought I was enticing you to do so. What baffles me more is that you're implying that I, as scum, would do something as innocent as have a reaction to a post AND a case in the same post, so as to entice you to defend someone, which would somehow work towards my scum win? Give our exchange a good long read, think it through, and tell me if you think I'm scum or town, because you've implied both. | ||
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On July 27 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Would you lynch a lurker today? Seriously? | ||
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On July 27 2013 21:52 Oatsmaster wrote: What is this wagon crap man. Hmm wheres rayn? Read the thread, also try commenting on current stuff going on in the thread, like for example: What do you think of FirmTofu? | ||
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But leave your vote where it is, all good, but please give us some opinions other than those on oats. | ||
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Vayne is a pig or swine or something. I think you should all vote Tofu for | ||
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On July 28 2013 00:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Cause he nitpicks peoples post. He suddenly 180s on a read convinced by a really bad post. He never explains how papers is scum cause of that, just points out 'bad' posts without offering any analysis. I happen to agree that vayne has done nothing and that before you made that case you had done nothing. So what is left, he nitpicks stuff during the first 12 hours of the game? Please explain why that is scummy. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote: because he takes it and calls 1 part scummy. Like he is trying so desperately to call paper's scum. If you read a filter and you dont think a dude is scum, you dont make a case right? Well justanothertownie decided that he had to call papers scum and capitalize on the current thread view towards him and went through his filter thinking that. So he nitpicked. Nitpicking is bad and scummy because it shows you dont have actual reasons to believe someone is scum. Clarity, who is scum? And dont say vayne, hes town. I'm not buying it, I understand that argument when you cherrypick a 10 page filter but it was like 12 hours into the game or something. Anyway, other than Tofu? I dunno, there's a lot of people who have contributed nothing or the minimum and I'm kinda getting worried this is just gonna be a town on town shitfest. What makes you say vayne is town? | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote: my bad. So clarity, ignoring the vote post, what else makes tofu scum? What? Nothing else makes him scum he hasn't done anything else. You're asking silly questions. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:17 Oatsmaster wrote: you're bad or scum. I have already given multiple explanations why FT's vote doesnt make him scum. You havent responded to ANY OF THEM. And since its the only reason you think he is scum, better go and justify your view point. Thought you were talking about my "vote post" Anyway, your answers are still in my case. You're just asking everyone every question you can think of, how is this helping anyone. | ||
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read my fucking case you spammy fuck, my main point wasnt even about his vote post all you're doing is burying decent discussion with your incessant dumbass questions | ||
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How is anyone supposed to know when you spam the next two pages with one liner questions that have nothing to do with your case and you don't follow up? Your case is also pretty poor | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:31 Oatsmaster wrote: :o But when you read justanothertownies filter, is he scummy? He's no shining beacon of green but I don't think he has a decent chance of flipping red, no. This post seems to indicate he's town: On July 27 2013 22:23 justanothertownie wrote: I don't like the case on Tofu. That doesn't mean he can't be scum but his Filter looks more like town to me. His vote on exarezee doesn't make that much sense to me but I don't think it is scum motivated. I guess he just tried to get exarezee to explain himself. But as you already pointed out: he should defend himself! Your argument with clarity is actually pretty stupid... I see a lot of nitpicking in it. For example I think the discussion whether 7 minutes are enough to read a page of filter ist pointless as it surely depends on the player. I also don't understand why you are so focused on clarity answering you and presenting his case in the same post. Arguments like this won't help town in any way. I am not entirely sure why clarity started this case on Tofu because I can't imagine he really thinks this guy is scum at the moment. | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:35 Koshi wrote: How does that look town when you think the opposite? You say that you are scum? Two town players cant have different viewpoints? That post makes no sense from a scum viewpoint, especially the last line. What scum says "I don't think he believes in it himself" | ||
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Saying my case is bad or that FT looks town can be said by both scum and town, saying "I don't think he believes in his own case" seems like a conclusion you can't really get to as scum. Doesn't matter that he's wrong | ||
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A response to my case on your would also be appreciated | ||
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On July 28 2013 01:46 exarezee wrote: The carefree posts and lack of reading comprehension to make an actual case or a real quote of what i said makes me lean town on oat and captain jack. i'm not sure if oats is clueless and blind or a savante. it's either or and no in between. will wait to make that judgement. i see no reason to move my vote of FT at the moment. I will of course give him a chance to defend himself. But his posts on day 1 are bad. And if it was a joke, it was pretty bad jokes imo. You mean papers, right? that's who your vote is on | ||
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On July 28 2013 02:01 hzflank wrote: Too obvious. If scum wanted a messy thread then they would give town reasons to make it messy but they would not do it themselves. Also, Oats' recent posts have made it much easier to get reads on him than his early posts did. I've made this mistake before in a game where I called someone town because he, for like 72 hours, with one scum left in the game, would not stop talking about setup speculation. I thought he couldnt possibly be this obvious so this is just a dumb townie. Turns out he was the last scum. Am I saying oats is scum? Not really.... but he did make the last 2-3 pages a complete clusterfuck which is anti town behavior and if he continues we should lynch or vigi that shit. Oats, you can ask questions and push stuff without making everything around you a slog to read through. | ||
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On July 28 2013 02:30 FirmTofu wrote: WTF? Bolded and big'd obvious scumslip. How did no one catch this? ? | ||
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Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours. ##Unvote Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo. | ||
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Koshi, do you have any scumreads at all? Other then saying that JAtownie "looks bad" I don't really see it. And even this accusation of him looking bad is after Oats posted a giant case on him.... On July 28 2013 01:26 Koshi wrote: Let's talk people that look bad atm. justanothertownie Horrible first post. Horrible second post. 3 4 5 6 7 8 You only give your reasons for suspecting him of being scum after you have a townread on him. On July 28 2013 04:41 Koshi wrote: Oh I missed that question earlier. I was wrong about you. I don't think you are scummy anymore. I thought you were scummy because of your first 2 posts. But now it seems more like you didn't had a good feel into this game yet and tried your luck with making 2 cases. I am actually leaning town on you now. Other than this, you've posted your "willing to lynch" lists but they have basically been JAtownie and a bunch of lurkers/non-posters.... and vayne who is trolling. Who do you currently want to lynch? | ||
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Could we get a co-host to tell us everything is gonna be okay? | ||
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It's that interaction where we was SUPER EXCITED HE FOUND A SCUMSLIP that happened, can't really see him as anything but town after that in my eyes. | ||
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I think hzflank is saying that it's possible that you're scum just switching back and forth between two townies a bunch. Which it is, you don't seem too invested, easily convinced etc. But saying "why would I do that as scum" is dumb, because BEING ABLE TO SAY THAT makes it worth doing as scum. Hence WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM Good sir | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:11 Koshi wrote: In one of my first games I didn't know what to do so I started out with making 2 cases, both cases were horrible because I was new to the game, and I received a decent amount of flak for it. But I continued playing trying to learn and post 1 liners to help town. I see the same in JAT currently. My fav lynch target can be found in the lists I make and will make. Okay, and that's cute and innocent and stuff but being wrong does not a scum make. Go scumhunt, find scum. Making a list of 5 people which includes 4 lurkers and the current thread sentiment target, and then taking back the suspicion on the current thread sentiment target, does not make for a useful list. Who do you currently want to lynch, and why? One name, couple of reasons. C'mon | ||
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I can't explain him not giving a read with reasons as town, but I can't explain it if he's scum either. Doesn't make sense as either alignment = scum. On July 28 2013 23:35 VayneAuthority wrote: Don't you feel he's scared that im vig or something and will shoot him oats? He doesnt actually give a good reason for lynching me. Haha. I dont know if hes scared scum or town though What's this random mention of vigi? If you were vigi (which is town only) why would you shoot someone trying to lynch you, or why would the person trying to lynch you be afraid of that. I'm confused. | ||
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On July 28 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyone want to lynch a lurker? kinda, lets wait to see what rayn and stutters have to say before discussing it | ||
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Paperscraps (3): exarezee, hzflank, justanothertownie exarezee (1): Clarity_nl (1): VayneAuthority Stutters (1): Vivax Firmtofu (1): justanothertownie (1): Oatsmaster (0): hzflank (0): Deadline is in Friendly reminder from mr clarity, this is majority lynch. Sorry if I made a mistake somewhere. | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:08 exarezee wrote: Are you for real? I've really liked all of your posts so far with the exception that you don't really explain when you move papers from town to scum lean. But this post is making me SMH. I can't find fucking scum which means there's a couple in lurkers which gives us a decent chance. Still got plenty of time to find scum but yeah, the timing in which oats asked if I wanted to lynch a lurker I kinda just wanted to say yeah fuck it | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:49 Vivax wrote: Yeah, i'd join that boat as well. He is capable of much more d1 when he's town, and having seen him play scum lately, i'm kinda confident i can read him. I would actually enjoy if he posted some more to give us the chane to read him better though, elsewise it's indeed more like a lurker lynch, and it's hard to win people for that. This isn't plurality: / It's not that "he's a lurker", yeah he hasn't posted much but he has shown to be around. two hours ago he said he was catching up so I'll give him a little bit but day one he made two random general accusations and an apology post. Today he has done nothing. On July 29 2013 00:49 exarezee wrote: Exactly you made my point. Being wrong does not make me scum. They're my 2 best lynch candidates and I will try my best to get one of them lynched. If at the end of the day, neither are a lynch candidate, then I will move my vote onto someone that matters. Being stubborn is saying I'm voting papers! not gonna move! Got my words on cardboard got his picture in my hand saying, if you see this guy can you lynch him like I planned? | ||
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On July 29 2013 00:53 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm curious to see why you can't find Paperscraps' scum reads... Who are you? | ||
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Anyway, CJS seemed town to me, I'm not sure why he just "ragequit" but he's a bad lynch today in my eyes. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:09 Vivax wrote: Autotownread for this, I just don't see scum being such a douche to do this to themselves and their team. But usually shit like this constitutes playing against wincon. If he's town it's playing against his wincon as well, your logic makes no sense. | ||
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On July 29 2013 02:51 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: And stop giving me town cred for rage quitting. Give me town cred for this shit that I've done, not the ragequit. I did bro, now go stick your head in an icebath and come back back to fight for town justice. | ||
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On July 28 2013 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I lost my keys yesterday and couldn't get home so i had to get drunk instead. :D Expect a lot of reads after i have actually read the thread. Wasn't this like, nearly 5 hours ago? | ||
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Also OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP classic town, hard to fake. At the very least don't lynch him today. I'm gonna be gone for a couple of hours but will be back with plenty of time to spare. I suggest people look into Oats, Stutters and Malongo. Right now I think I'm willing to lynch Malongo (waiting on him to show up first) or Stutters. | ||
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Your thoughts on Malongo and Stutters make no sense to me though, could you expand on them? | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Malongo seems irritated by the fact he got lynched in the last game and is trying to play better. It seems like he is trying to play for town really hard compared to other games because of how people viewed him in those games. Stutters comes off as town as he noticed the same thing about Vivax i did. I tend to think people who agree with me are town, at least in things that most of the people seem to miss. My list is not based on thread sentiment. Maybe the thread sentiment is correct then if a lot of people agree on things. I think hz's tell is a strong town-tell, it's not stealing from you by any means. I just think alike you in that matter. Do you want to lynch FT? Not stolen from me, not that that matters. Are you saying you agree or disagree that your listpost has a lot of thread sentiment in it? If you had read the thread you'd know the answer to that question, no I don't want to lynch him. | ||
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On July 29 2013 04:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if my reads follow the thread sentiment. They seem to do so, yes. What does that say to you? That i am scum because i think like other people in this game do? Does that sound ligical to you, because to me it sounds ridiculous. Why do you think we should lynch Stutters ot Malongo?`If you can point out something that makes one of them scum i'm willing to look closer into it. If you agreed with SOME popular opinions in the thread then yes, that's perfectly fine. If you agree with ALL popular opinions in the thread (and do not share a unique perspective with the town) then you're either scum just trying to fit in or an unhelpful townie. I don't agree with your reasons for Malongo being town, since if he's scum what you say still applies, but what you're saying about Vivax seems genuine. Am re-reading a bit now so gonna disappear. | ||
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Wait your townread on Malongo is suddenly very slim? You seemed pretty confident in your list post. Why even have him as green on there. I would think if you base it off one post you better be damn sure your read on him is strong. | ||
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I'm saying I don't know but you're not helping town | ||
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I'm not saying he's confirmed for the rest of the game but you won't find me voting for him anytime soon. | ||
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Let's take a journey, a journey through the posts of Malongo On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker is to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). Let's just ignore the random list of activity, even though no one asked him. Malongo starts his case by admitting that he has no strong reads, or more specifically, that this is his strongest read. He makes this read based off a single post, despite there being a wealth of information on hz, including my one-on-one time with him. The posts he picks is very early in the game and rather than explaining why it is scummy he explains why it is wrong, and then votes for him. Much later on day 1 he repeats how the reason he's on hz (he's still on hz btw, and hasn't contributed about anything that's been going on in the thread other than a couple of 1-liners) On July 29 2013 05:24 Malongo wrote: And it doesnt help me either that when I wake up I have to read 10 or more pages (and honestly didnt read with high proficiency). Our biggest problem right now is the lack of leads 3 hours to lynch. Thats why hz is still my prime suspect, I found it really bad when he posted about "consolidating 1 or 2 wagos early instead of pushing the lurkers". Clearly he wants to push Paper (wich is null to me atm) and every time he gets into an argument with someone his defence or case is slightly helped by other player around uninvolved. Read what other people has to say about him. "Guys, we have no big leads, if he had big leads, I wouldn't be on hz!" This is basically saying he doesn't believe in his own vote. Now he repeats his case, which is the exact same, and still about the same post in the early hours of day 1. Take a look at the bolded line again. What is he saying? Well let's assume he's town first: Malongo: Guys we should get more information, I'm not too certain about things right now. Okay, that's fair, but then why is his vote still on hz and in posts after this he still claims hz is scum? Malongo: Guys I don't believe in my case, but since you guys are so scattered I'm just gonna leave my vote parked riiiiiiiight here. This makes sense to me, the scum perspective. As town it does not. Low post count, low content, implying he's wrong yet pushing for it anyway. He scum yo. ##Vote Malongo | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you had looked into any recent game Malongo has played you would see that this is characteristic to his town play. In other words, the stuff you are pointing out does not make him mafia. You clearly do not want to lynch FT. Go look at JAT/Paper please. Koshi, what do you think of this: I'll go look, I tend not to look at meta. I looked at Paper before Malongo and I don't really see it. I'll look at JAT one more time, as you know I disagreed heavily with Oats' case on him but maybe stuff changed. | ||
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He is talking strongly about his read, he is engaging people in back and forth questions, and then he martyrs himself by the end of it! (btw his read ended up being right, and you believe hz is town..) | ||
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I'll consolidate, obviously, and rayn has a point about Malongo as I read more of his other games, but this is bitter. I'm not so sure about Vivax, I've had him as null all day and vayne's case is 90% meta, so let's give him another day. I guess out of those three I would prefer Paper...? I mean his wagon started early and he has looked scummy (although more bad than scum), plus he probably has the most association attached to him which'll help day 2. I felt like Koshi was getting scummier and scummier but the way he's just insistently and badly pushing for an hz lynch just makes no sense to me from a scum perspective. | ||
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Mainly to consolidate and because I'm getting a bit sleepy, will be around still though. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:55 Malongo wrote: You are actually dodging the point when I called out the post of hz being inconsistent with the town benefit to lynch lurkers day1. When I said *no leads* I was clearly calling this post in mind What? You're saying when you said there were no leads you were talking about that post by hz? I really don't understand what you're saying. | ||
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On July 29 2013 06:59 Malongo wrote: Ergo I am mafia so lets write my name in colors? LOL What? Holy shit dude, Engelish, Do you Speaketh it? | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:08 Malongo wrote: The thing is your case on Paper was conveniently tunneled and wagoned early and nipticked and I found you lying 2 times. A) When you said the guy was not answering you directly. hint: he did B) When you said *how pleople find Paper townie posting. hint: null =/= townie That and the fact that now we are ending the day with 0 pressure on active lurkers as you wanted with your initial posts. ##Vote hzflank No, fuck this, consolidate on paper or someone that we might reach a majority on, we need a lynch or we're gonna have a useless day 2. You applied no pressure to lurkers yourself either, hypocrit. | ||
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No his point is that pressure on lurkers is important and hz made it so it didn't happen, which is bullshit. Just because hz put no pressure on lurkers doesnt mean he created an atmosphere in which it wasnt possible. Why the fuck are you and Malongo suddenly jerking off in the corner. FUCKING CONSOLIDATE | ||
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On July 29 2013 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi: First he says "who are you to decide who do we lynch. -> Implies there are other lynch candidates than FT/JAT/Paper Then he questions hz, his scumread about Malongo, or rather asks why are we ignoring Malongo. When hz answers him about Malongo, he says "no you should not talk about him". This makes no sense from town PoV. scum. He does not want to see what hz (his top scumread) has to say about Malongo (his other scumread). If he thinks hz and Malongo are scum he should be interested what hz thinks about Malongo based on the quote above. Instead he is only talking about Paperscraps. Lots of leaps in here. He's asking why WE (you and me, the two active people who replied to the case in thread) ignored malongo. Then hz asks if he should respond to the case NOW and he says no. You're just misreading stuff I think, or I'm misunderstanding your case | ||
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Paper is not a townread of mine but he's no scumread either. lynch > no-lynch I'm gonna read over all the koshi stuff tomorrow, it makes no sense to me atm but one thing is for sure,rayn seems convinced he's found scum or he's scum tunneling to save paper. Am gonna go with the former, but not convinced about Koshi. | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:24 Paperscraps wrote: Why don't we just lynch JAT? Do all you have town reads on him? There is already 2 votes on him. Why do you not seem to even care if you get lynched. Is this really all the fight you're gonna give it? Die scum | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:28 Paperscraps wrote: AtEing hardly ever works in flipping a lynch. I do care I get lynched, why else would I be suggestioning we lynch someone else. Also I would have fished by now. You seem to have finished. "hey guys you could just, you know, vote for the other guy instead" is the saddest defense I've ever heard. | ||
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I'm actually making myself mad at the thought of you flipping town now, how could you just let this happen without pushing back Drop us some reads | ||
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On July 29 2013 08:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Everyone who is town should vote for FT. Paperscraps is almost definitely town, really, look at his latest posts. He looks fucking defeated, he's not helping town, how does that make him town? | ||
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Easy decision for me, I really wanna see the flip but am gonna go to bed. | ||
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My case got shot down rather efficiently by ?rayn? I think bringing up his meta, and I pursued that and agreed.. Wait, you're talking about my case on FT? WTF. Okay Vivax | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think the case is necessarily scummy. Bad it is for sure. I think you might be onto something on Clarity. He gave me really bad feelings after i talked with thim when i got back. He didn't feel townie at all there. I can't really explain why but there seemed to be something wrong with him. I agree that his case here looks alot like his case on Sharrant on LXI now that you brought that up, but i am not sure how do Clarity's town cases look like. Did you look at that too? Who is XRZ? I don't think JAT is scum, i can explain that better if you really want to hear why. It's worth noting that after that game I "ragequit" mafia for like 6 months. It wasn't the case itself that I screwed up it was the timing and the target. And you're just saying the bad feeling crap cause I gave you shit for your bad list post, which was bad. Then you got all original and stuff and it was great, if not a bit tunnelly and chaotic nearing lynchtime Vivax just threw three new wide accusations into the air and hoped something sticked. I'm town, I think JAT is town, I think exa is active but ultimately null. Vayne do you still think Vivax is scum and if so could you explain it a bit more please? | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are still holding on to your argument that i should have accused some people who were universally considered as town, let's say Oats and you, so i would have looked more townie to you. Now i looked bad because i said who i thought were scummy and other people were thinking alike. Isn't that a bit ridiculous? No, I'm saying you had no original opinions at the time so your entrance into the thread was weak. That's what you were talking about when you said you had a bad feeling right? Or did you mean something else? | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: I form my opinions mostly by talking with other players. I have really hard time to get a grasp of the game by only reading it, which i was forced to do here for the first ~30hours or so. I don't remember what it exactly was that made me feel worse about you, because there a re more scummy people and i wanted to lynch mafia, so i didn't really care, and now it's not relevant until the end of the night phase. Fair enough but I would like you to figure it out or some point On July 29 2013 22:29 Vivax wrote: Clarity, how happy are you with the suggestion XRZ (exarezee) and Vayne as next two lynches? Way too early to say. Obviously Vayne had better be a shining beacon of green day 2 since his self-proclaimed "I don't give a fuck day 1" I never really understood people calling XRZ town halfway through day 1, I suppose it was the effort, which was surely there. He woulda been a bad lynch day 1 anyway. Is he a good lynch day 2? I dunno | ||
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On July 29 2013 22:47 Koshi wrote: I am referring to the posts between Vivax/Koshi/hzflank and also jat 4 scumreads and jat saying he is new. I'll get back to you about this later today | ||
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On July 29 2013 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact that he magically missed that point about XRZ on D1. Instead he was calling FT scummy. Now he want's to lynch FT's target based on FT's reasons... I could make the same argument about vivax and you suddenly being suspicious of me, but I didn't. Sometimes you don't notice stuff the first time around, and sometimes you're scum just looking for reasons. How can you tell which is which? | ||
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Vayne however has made himself unreadable and should therefore be vigged. That's how you use vig shots. | ||
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Yes, I just admitted to LURKING, omg. Seriously though, my cases are the same town or scum, you're actually making me doubt the way I make cases though. I get a feeling someone is scum, I read through all their stuff in context, then if I still think he's scum I try to convince others. Using their posts and viewing it from a scum/town perspective and explaining which makes more sense seems like the way to do it. You're using cases that scum have made that have the same building blocks, picking away at posts, but I bet I can find a ton of them made by townies as well so I don't really understand your point. Other than my FT case, do I look like scum to you? | ||
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If you DO think he's scum for it, explain. | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:10 Vivax wrote: Man, I wish I saw this earlier. Clarity, when there is some break in the show yuo're watching I'd like to talk a little it about the reasons in your case on FT, it has multiple grave issues: I really don't like this case broski. Okay, first one I actually included that in the case: "Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point." Second, Yes, votes can have different reasons other than killing people. But when you announce the reason your vote becomes useless cause if your target is scum he'll just do whatever it is to get the vote off, as will town. Third, yes scum love giving townreads. But you know what's scummy about that townread? No fucking reason for him to give a townread. And no reasons for his townread being town. He just calls someone town for no reason. Last one, from what I recall, without looking back, yes he didn't do much up until that point. Leaving the thread that way, saying it's useless to do stuff anyway, is scummy. That said, obviously when he started posting again he explained some stuff, and he contributed some stuff (not saying the contributions are good) But aren't you doing exactly what you say is wrong with my case? just picking it apart, finding "mistakes" Could you reply to my earlier post? On July 30 2013 04:31 Clarity_nl wrote: Watching sgdq bro, am keeping up with the thread but not filterdiving or anything. I'll get a post up before night ends obviously. Yes, I just admitted to LURKING, omg. Seriously though, my cases are the same town or scum, you're actually making me doubt the way I make cases though. I get a feeling someone is scum, I read through all their stuff in context, then if I still think he's scum I try to convince others. Using their posts and viewing it from a scum/town perspective and explaining which makes more sense seems like the way to do it. You're using cases that scum have made that have the same building blocks, picking away at posts, but I bet I can find a ton of them made by townies as well so I don't really understand your point. Other than my FT case, do I look like scum to you? | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:13 Vivax wrote: Like, you might wonder why I'm posting this, now that the FT lynch is out of discussion for clarity, but that case looks generally really bad, in a scummy way. It seems designed to push a lynch on a guy without genuinely trying to figure out his alignment, and the judgment is too quick for my taste. Why not bring it up day 1? Like, way earlier. Also, yes the case comes on stronger than my read was at the time, but that's the point, I pressure FT and see how he reacts, and he WAS my strongest read at the time so I pushed him | ||
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Anyway my goal before the night is over is to look over xrz, FT and rayn. I can't tell if I'm being stubborn with my townread on FT because of that one moment, but I'm not ready to say I should treat that as null, I really don't see scum doing that. rayn his list post felt like scum, then he felt like town until we got close to lynch and he made it extremely chaotic, and I gotta figure out if that's because he's scum or not. Why I'm looking into xrz should be obvious. On July 30 2013 05:33 Vivax wrote: Town wants to solve the game and gain information. Scum wants to act like townie and cause mislynches. If someone posts a bunch of summarized reasons without a real conclusive reasoning behind it, drops a vote, and fucks off afterwards cause they feel they just contributed then it's probably scum. True, but that's not what I did, like, at all. | ||
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On July 30 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are not making a lot of sense right now. And how was that chaotic? Especially how was my push "extremely chaotic" compared to others? That's how it felt, I'll let you know when I get to it. | ||
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Anyway, I did did change my opinion on him at one point, can't remember why though, I just remember reading his filter and thinking he wouldn't be a good lynch D1. | ||
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Would be impressive though. I didn't give xrz enough credit for his day1 towniness btw | ||
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On July 30 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote: SHUT UP SCUM. STOP PROFANATING THIS THREAD WITH YOUR NEFARIOUS PRESENCE. sorreh But you're posting your case before d2, yeah? | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:00 Vivax wrote: That's a good question. Upon rereading this night's posts of Rayn, I don't see what happened to his Koshi scumread IF ONLY SOMEONE BROUGHT THIS UP EARLIER, I DUNNO You're kind of starting to annoy me Vivax, although I'm glad that you're trying hard | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:03 Vivax wrote: You better get ready to be annoyed a lot more Clarity. Especially when me and the town push you off the ship. Give it your best shot baby. Or you know, don't, cause I'm town. | ||
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On July 30 2013 07:06 Vivax wrote: Yea sure. I'm sure town feels like shouting how townie they are during the phase where scum picks their targets. You can't fool me broski. With you doing this I'm obviously not getting nightkilled you dumbass. This feels like Mario Mini where I was obvtown, people called me obvtown, and then suddenly random townies made cases on me d3 and I died. Make your damn case so I can explain why you're an idiot and you can move on to better things. | ||
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xrz: Slight town, his little "I figured it out" on day one with him thinking one of FT or Paper HAS to be scum (even if wrong) makes him town in my eyes. You don't really see this logic from scum, let alone that he kept it up consistently throughout day 1. Also he's had a townread on me with GOOD REASONS for it. FirmTofu: Ugh, really, I think he's town. Yes, it's mainly because of him going OMG FOUND A SCUMSLIP. rayn: I think him jumping on Koshi a bit before lynchtime the way he did makes him lean town, regardless of what Paper flipped. His night 1 however makes me very wary. Oats: Town, spammy oats who speaks his mind is town oats. Sadly he doesn't read the thread before speaking as either alignment. CJS: He town yo. Vayne: vigi this fuck, useless. The "day 1 is useless stuff" I can swallow but then going "I told you so" during n2 and still not explaining the shit he's spewing, useless or scum. Malongo: I'm clueless about him now after learning about his meta. Vivax: I mean, he's supposed to be playing good but he's pushing me. He also just kinda jumped on everything in the thread when I asked him for the case. Lot of effort to "win" though, leaning town. Koshi: I really hated his useless lists day 1. Gets heavy pressure and does this: On July 29 2013 19:52 Koshi wrote: Did you forget yesterday? Or is it today contradiction day? On July 29 2013 19:55 Koshi wrote: IT IS CONTRADICTION DAY! I mean, who does that? JAT: Dunno. If my two scumreads are correct I guess he's town? hzflank: I kind of ignored my gut on day 1 when I had that interaction with him. He felt extremely afraid and he felt like I was targetting him despite me not doing anything close to that. I think scum are more likely to have this kneejerk defensive response. All the other reasons have been beaten to death. Yes he has this one part in this one post that looks townie but its less convincing that FirmTofu's thing. Stutters: Leaning more and more scum on him. It's not about the short filter, I did look and yes, his meta is to not post that much especially day 1. First, his constant references to his activity always being low, despite when people pressure him they don't mention his activity (except for vivax day 1) His day 1 "case" on Vivax is pretty atrocious. Wanting to lynch CJS on day 1 because of his ragequit is dumb or scum. Night 1 he jumps on the FT bandwagon but decides he needs to have his own unique reasons (which always smells scummy to me) My only problem is, obviously, currently hz is calling stutters scum. Doesn't mean they can't both be scum, but I think it makes it less likely. Regardless, theres my list, Stutters is a good lynch tomorrow. I'm going to bed nao, night night peoples. | ||
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I can, he changed it after I asked about the veteran role being unlynchable. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:27 VayneAuthority wrote: What do you mean? all my reads so far this game were fake and made up To what purpose? If I were scum knowing you were town you're the most obvious roleblock target. Yet I got roleblocked. Dunno. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Why would I get roleblocked? and yes the fact that you got roleblocked is really weird. Actually makes you look scummier in a way Because, as scum knowing you're town, you played to not get nightkilled. Equals blue? | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:32 VayneAuthority wrote: No, its a stupid scum play to do that so early. You always want to make use of your PRs early in the game, and if he's alive way later in the game it's obvious he is scum. I don't think clarity is scum just a weird RB target and im gonna try and find out why later I mean, I hate to be devils advocate on myself but scum could simply not have a roleblocker. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:33 VayneAuthority wrote: very astute of you. Vig and anything else should not do anything until malongo responds, miller is always a possibility Um, it's a semi-open setup, no millers. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:34 VayneAuthority wrote: that's a weird comment to make considering there is 4 scum roles and 4 mafia. Implying there is multiple roles of one of the scum roles is strange to say the least, when its far less likely. No I'm countering your argument that my claim makes no sense as scum cause as scum you wanna use your roleblocker. Scum might not have a roleblocker and thus have a free fakeclaim every night. Anyway for me the story ends with me getting roleblocked so w/e | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:41 hzflank wrote: On the other hand, the game started with 10 town and 4 scum. To make that balanced it is likely that town has at least 3 PRs, especially if scum have a role-blocker. Therefore, fake-claiming Cop would be too big of a risk for Vayne and he would likely be countered by the real cop. Yeah I agree it was a legitimate question cause it's a pretty deep hole to climb out of without a red check. I have more reason to believe vayne then most, seeing as I got roleblocked. Vigi don't hit malongo till we talk this through, there's no real rush | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:49 justanothertownie wrote: Dude, think about that for a minute. If I was scum - why would I jump on this claim? I would know he is lying (if Malongo is town). Unless you're both scum, then you shit your pants and quickly get on that shit. Not saying you are, but the possibility is there. On July 30 2013 09:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne is not scum. he had not done that as scum. Explain why not. He obviously needed to make a play at the start of day 2 to avoid a vigi shot. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: why? why not make a play at the end of N1? Tomato Tomato Can't fake a check n1 though. | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: and where the fuck did oats/clarity go now thta the shit got real. always people disappearing. i fucking hate you guys if you are town. I'm tired, was supposed to go to bed an hour before flip. Won't really post usefully if I do. Let's just say a couple of things don't make sense. | ||
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On July 30 2013 09:34 Stutters695 wrote: ##vote: Malango Not much to say to that lol. Awesome check Vayne. This is townie as hell btw :s Fuck | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: What do you think of FT's response to the check`? Saying "for now" is pretty dodgy. As Vayne said there's something about KNOWING it's a fakeclaim that makes scum want to illustrate this in their post. Not conclusive though. Why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: It does not matter as i don't want to lynch you today anyways. And i have already explained it. Wanna lynch FT? Dunno, I'll tell you tomorrow. Why are you so convinced vayne's fakeclaim HAS to be town Vayne? I mean, if JAT flips red that probably confirms him but otherwise I can think of some scenarios where he's scum. | ||
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On July 30 2013 10:52 hzflank wrote: Also Clarity, you claim to be roleblocked therefore you claim that scum has a roleblocker. This setup has to be somewhat balanced and it started 10/4. If scum have a roleblocker then it is very very likely that town had a cop at this point. Vayne is really likely to be town, based on that. Unless of course scum do not have a roleblocker. But he fakeclaimed, and no cop counterclaimed (although a smart one wouldnt have) Why does that make vayne more likely town? | ||
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I'm up for a jat lynch, dunnot about ft, especially the way he's treating this jat lynch, that would be a weird bus, no? cya'll tomorro | ||
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On July 30 2013 21:21 hzflank wrote: + Show Spoiler + We need 7 votes to lynch on day 2. During N1 the following people all but confirmed that they would vote for me D2 and nothing would change their minds: Koshi Malongo JAT Towards the end of N2 the following people changed their read one me to scum, even they they have not scum-hunted in my direction much throughout the whole game: Rayn Vayne Clarity Exar (to a lesser extent) Those 4 people positioned themselves nicely so that they could vote for me without looking like scum. I was totally being set up for a D2 lynch. What we do not know is why. Was it forced or did it happen naturally? Also notice that Vivax, Stutters and to a lesser extent Tofu and Oats were positioned so that they could not easily vote on me, and would at least have to do some work first. CJS was basically inactive. Day 2 starts and I claim Vet. Scum have to decide whether they can lynch me anyway or not, and the answer very much depends on who the scum team are. For example, they were never going to get a vote from town-Rayn or town-Clarity, but they could get a vote from them if they were scum. Then Vayne fake claims Cop. Was that a move my scum-Vayne as a response to my Vet claim? That would only be true if scum were seriously in trouble without my lynch on the table. I do not see a scum composition that includes Vayne and that would be in so much trouble D2 they they would need to pull that. Scum are only 1 mislynch from MYLO anyway and they know not to shoot the Vet. Another reason as to why Vayne is town is because people are not calling him scum. Let me explain: if Vayne is scum then he pulled that move to setup a mislynch other than me. Therefore, he must of purposefully be waiting for someone to “Slip-up” so that he could un-claim and call that person scum. He did that when JAT posted. The fact that is was JAT would have been a bonus for scum-Vayne because several town already thought that JAT was scum. Next question: Why are the people not voting JAT also not attacking Vayne? If you think that JAT is town then you should absolutely think that Vayne is scum who was waiting to replace me as a mislynch target. What we have instead is Oats calling Malongo scum even though Malongo's response to the claim fits perfectly with his personality. I have been told that Oats is not bad at this game, so if he thinks that JAT is town then he should have been after Vayne (or at least Rayn) who setup JAT, rather than going after Malongo. Also, Oats thinks that Stutters is scum when Stutters is absolutely the most town person in the thread (based on posts before and after the day post) and Stutters is in fact the most obvious NK target anyway. As for JAT himself, why he still attacking me? From his position he should of questions why Vayne would fake-claim like that and came to the conclusion that Vayne would only do that if I were town. It is as if Jat was told to attack me and did not receive new orders so he just continued to do so. Clarity is a weird one. It was really scummy the way his end of night post called Stutters and me scum. That put Clarity in a position where he could easily vote for either of us and at the time it looked like I was being setup for a mislynch and that I thought Stutters was scum and would be willing to vote for him D2. Also consider that Clarity was an odd RB target. The only reason to RB Clarity was to make him look more like scum after Vivax flipped. If Clarity is town then he should be questioning which scum would if pulled that move. Clarity defended my Vet claim which obviously gets him some town points in my eyes. On the other hand, if Clarity is town then I would expect him to go hard after Vayne (more likely RB target). This holds more true considering the list at the start of this post because Clarity and Vayne were both positioning themselves to drop an easy vote on me. If you want to find scum, look at the lists at the start of this post. If you are on one of those lists and know that you are town then you should be able to figure out who the most likely scum are. I like this post. Saying "people who had a scumread on me n1 must be scum trying to set me up to lynch" is a proper townie mentality. I'm gonna talk about the roleblock a bit. First lets just get out of the way that I have no crumb, regardless of if I'm blue or vt. I also think I played pretty fearless. So why did I get roleblocked? I dunno. What I can tell you that some targets made more sense to roleblock, specifically Vayne, maybe stutters if he's town. I went back through my own filter to try and find something that might look like a crumb or an indication that I'm blue but I can't find it. What I can explain though, is why my claim makes no sense as scum. Two scenarios: 1. Scum doesn't have a roleblocker. Yes, without thinking about it much using roleblock claims to look townie might be a good idea BUT this doesn't hold up. Either I would have to constantly claim being roleblocked or other scum would have to start claiming they are roleblocked. This makes a pattern that'll screw scum lategame regardless. 2. Scum DOES have a roleblocker. So this is assuming that scum decided not to roleblock anyone so I could claim being roleblocked. Problem here is why? Was I in danger of being lynched? I suppose Vivax was putting pressure on me but I didn't think it was all too serious, and even if it was, scum killed Vivax. It also leaves me screwed where I get roleblocked n1 and then I live till much later? Makes no sense. So I'm town, and I claimed being roleblocked because I was, and that's what you do when you're town and you get roleblocked. On July 30 2013 22:54 Stutters695 wrote: Also what are you talking about with the scumslip townslip? Stutters confirmed not reading the goddamn thread. I was fairly certain you were scum until your reaction to Vayne's fakeclaim. So either: 1. Vayne is scum with you so you knew how to react ahead of time. 2. You're being useless town by not trying very hard. Seriously it's been brought up many times, it might even be the reason tofu didn't get lynched day 1. How can you not know this shit if you claim to have read the thread. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:25 Koshi wrote: Because his filter screams that. Compare XRZ filter with FT filter. ' What? No it doesn't. And saying one person looks scummier than the other does not absolve either. Unless you believe that, if xrz is scum, FT cannot be. In which case I'd like to hear why | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:28 hzflank wrote: Yeah got it. Clarity explained part of it well, also. Next question: does it mean that people who were more likely to be roleblocked (than Clarity) are more likely to be scum? I'm not sure, I think so. What I do know is that if Vayne is scum, stutters is scum. Stutters might be scum without Vayne being scum, though. I think it's also safe to say that Vayne and JAT are not BOTH scum. If Vayne doesn't do shit today like day 1 (yes he did a fancy fakeclaim, huzzah) I'm willing to lynch him, he needs to make up for day 1. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity vayne is not scum. If he was scum he would have fakeclaimed the check on someone like me or you. Could you explain? The check on Malongo would seem more genuine regardless of his alignment, Malongo would have been a good check if we have a cop. | ||
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On July 30 2013 23:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: There were a lot of good checks. Basically everyone was a good check as town we have not accepted onto like anyone being town (Oats/Cora to some extent i believe). Vayne was also a one of the best checks, do you think he would fake a check if he was mafia? Have a red check on him and bam, suddenly Malongo is confirmed town (when Malongo if town is mislynch material). I don't think it excludes Malongo from being scum, if vayne flipped red. But I get your point, maybe it's a bit farfetched. On July 30 2013 23:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity what do you think about FT and what me & Stutters & Vivax have said about him? I just.. fucking... he did the scumslip townslip! Erm, I'm gonna get back to you on this. >.< It doesn't feel right. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:03 VayneAuthority wrote: where's the vig anyway? The thread devolved into shitty one liners again and I got bored. Stopped reading at about the koshi/oats part. We need a day shot to see who's trying to fuck with us. Please shoot some one already. Don't ask for permission just shoot whoever you think is scummiest. I recommend shooting Vayne | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: no shoot malongo or rayn  Rayn why do I always wanna kill you man. Ok at this point I have 7 strong townreads. So therefore the remaining people are scum. Stutters/rayn/malongo/koshi You have a strong townread on JAT? Otherwise I like your list buddy | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote: Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me. WAIT WHAT | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:26 Malongo wrote: ehm no?¡ last time I played here there were pms going everywhere. As I never really liked pms I dont usually work like that or comunicate with anyone. Well, this is a no pm game, most on TL are. (didn't used to be) | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:34 Malongo wrote: Player A: hey VA im dt checked malongo he is mafia VA: o shit if I dont call this out im going to be called out myself MA is hit VA:ok player A contacted me and claimed faking this so he is mafia.=> town gets a confirmed mafia. I can't even start to imagine how this makes sense in a pm game. On July 31 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote: what? How does player x contact VA? So much bullshit. Oats one day you will read the thread before you speak. One day, I believe. | ||
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On July 31 2013 07:51 FirmTofu wrote: FT's Player Profiles Alright, I've gotta catch a bus. I'm not done with a few people but as soon as I'm back home, I'll finish up. This is what I have so far. This stuff is straight out of the notes I've been compiling all game so some of it might be outdated. These profiles are by no means done. I'm just posting it because everyone pretty much knows where I stand on everything thus far and the more detailed analysis we get in this game, the better. + Show Spoiler [Oats] + Oats has a lot of posts where he pokes and prods various people for information. On July 27 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote: We should lynch the lurker with the least posts. Koshi is clearly not one of them. Clearly. So Paperscraps, why is Day 1 hard to get solid reads as opposed to other days? On July 27 2013 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: fuck your rum. I assume you dont want to lynch lurkers then CJS. Why not? Do you think scum will not lurk at all? On July 27 2013 11:23 Oatsmaster wrote: What trap? Like what trap are you talking about? Do you like lurkers in town? CJS, I think that at least 1 or 2 scum will be labeled as a lurker and with only probably 3-4 town, its a much smaller pool to look at as opposed to all 14 people. On July 27 2013 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Lynching a lurker is awesome. Have you never seen lurkers flip scum? So are you definetely not going to lynch a lurker then, why is lynching a lurker bad? Makes a case on JAT. On July 28 2013 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote: yup justanothertownie dude is scum. Look at his first post. justanothertownie thinks its not a joke. But he doesnt explain why scum would do it, summerizes Paperscraps actions and just says its scummy. Scum take jokes seriously cause they play the game seriously. extreme nitpicking here, clearly paperscraps was using generalization and notice that justanothertownie just throws shit on him without explain how or why its scummy. Like pointing out supposed bad posts without explain why. scumtell. Ok look at his thoughts on CJS, I assume he is leaning null scummy. In his very next post commenting on CJS post, his view drastically changes. looks like he wants to sheep CJS, off this horrific accusations without anything to back them up with. contradictions and shit, way over generalization. And it makes justanormaltownie want to sheep him? I dont buy it, justanormaltownie wants to support this set of lynches/lynch and see if I could possibly be mislynched. ##vote: justanormaltownie Doesn't look particularly alignment indicative, but seems to be calling him out on newbie mistakes that town and scum could both make. On July 28 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote: CJS is totally town. Town dont care how they look so they play around right. Scum care how they look so they dont. And therefore because they dont play around, they tend to pick out joking posts as scummy, one part because without context, its scummy so any easy reason, and another part is that they just dont see the joke. So why would scum vote so carelessly early game? He knows that exarezee is reletively active at that point and probably wont get lynched so why put yourself in the spotlight that way. Random votes like that are strong towntells and you not seeing it and insisting you are right is scummy. Papers is in no way contradicting himself, he says lynch lurkers sure, but if he has a strong scum read on a non lurker, lynch that dude first. HOW IN THE FUCKING WORLD IS THAT A CONTRADICTION? pulling shit out of your ass to make your point here. About your 180 on CJS. "i have to agree with you" Is that not sheeping? You havent provided any of your own reasons why me or Vayne are scum, but you have scumreads on us because of that one LOUSY FUCKING POST that CJS posted. What made you so convinced that CJS was not scum from that post justanothertownie? Another tunnel-ish post by Oats. Starting to feel town. + Show Spoiler [Clarity] + The case he made on me. On July 27 2013 19:34 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm not quite sure what that means. "looks a lot more town in his filter than he does in the thread"? Could you explain? Anyway, disagree completely with your conclusion which you reached a full 7 minutes after I asked (excluding when you actually read my post and made your own) _______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ FirmTofu would like us all to actually discuss the game, instead of all this fluff that's going on, like everyone talking about the lurker lynch policy! Granted, this post might have been in context with Koshi's 1,2,3 posts, but that was Koshi trying to prove a point. Firmtofu before this point however, did not discuss anything other than lurker lynch policy: + Show Spoiler + On July 27 2013 09:25 FirmTofu wrote: Okay, I'm back on a computer. This comes up every game. How scummy does someone have to be for you to want to lynch them over a lurker? You have to consider that lynching lurkers provides very little information whereas lynching scummy people might tell us a lot about how people are related to one another. On July 27 2013 09:40 FirmTofu wrote: To all of you that are out there... Do you think policy lynching a lurker day 1 is a good idea? Why or why not? On July 27 2013 09:41 FirmTofu wrote: Personally, I think we should use it as a last resort. Lynch a lurker only if 1) Half the town is lurking or 2) All the active people look genuinely helpful/useful and none of them look like good lynches. Shitting on town, regardless of if you're being a hypocrite or not, is something scum love doing. Then there is the useless vote with an easy out, classic scum: "I am voting for you, and I will keep my vote on you until you do X!" This is not a vote to kill scum, this is a vote to have a vote on someone, and he backs off the moment his demands are met. Not only does he back off the moment he's able to, he's also wishy-washy about the case itself. But the most troubling things I found were his last two posts: Notice how he explains that he's having a hard time reading CJS because of his roleplay, and Paperscraps would be a good lynch too because he's hard to read. That's all well and good, pressure them to be more easier to read, but the mindset is revealed in the part I bolded. He first claims that if he had to lynch someone it would be CJS or Paper because they're currently hard to read, but now he's suddenly saying he's suspicious that they're scum? why? Then he throws a random unsolicited townread into his post, because scum love giving townreads. This post is the epitome of useless. Instead of focusing on the information we do have, Firm decides to point out that there's no point in scumhunting because for all we know all the people who haven't posted are scum. FirmTofu is pretty likely scum and our best lynch right now. I don't think scum would be the first to form a case on anyone. It draws too much attention and isn't necessary early in the game. On July 28 2013 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean, I find the thing FirmTofu just did kinda hard to fake. Like, I guess if you're superscum it's like a mindgame thing, but if that were the case why did he seem so scummy in the first 12 hours. ##Unvote Am actually gonna be gone for a couple of hours but shall return later, look forward to hearing from Malongo. Unvotes after reading my response to the case and the "townslip" that makes me look town. I don't think scum would drop a case this easily. If Clarity was scum, I'd expect him to tunnel me a little longer. + Show Spoiler [CJS] + Most of CJS' early posting was Pirates roleplay. I'm ignoring most of that. On July 27 2013 23:08 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: My vote still stands, and I believe that it is the correct one for this situation. Oatsmaster is acting like scum. He is refusing to give us any decent information whatsoever, just mucking up the thread with sarcastic one-liners and not giving us any insight on his opinions or anything. He is the perfect example of scum trying to blend in and be in the conversation, yet his words hold no meaning and are merely just filler. If you take them out, his filter is left with: And that, my friends, is not someone I want to give rum to. This post looks like something town would say. Calling someone out for trying to blend in. I disagree with the conclusion, but I think the move is townie. On July 27 2013 23:35 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Then why do you not vote for FirmTofu? You just said that you think they are both scum and that you want to vote for them, but you don't think paperscraps is as scummy as FirmTofu. So your vote should be clear. Why is it not clear to you then? Calls out hzflank on his misplaced intentions. I REALLY like this post. CJS is looking for scum motivation here. Looks like active scumhunting. On July 27 2013 23:42 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: You said that you think at least one of them as scum. So that would mean that you are trying to figure out who is scummier? I bolded two sentences in your post which contradict each other. You would rather vote paperscraps first, but you think FirmTofu is scummier. Am I missing something? Again, calls people our for their misplaced intentions. Very town move. On July 28 2013 01:11 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Right now, I'm leaning towards you being scum. I'm trying to figure out whether Vayne is stupid or scum, and I'm leaning towards stupid. I'd also like to point out that a lot of people have not posted to a satisfactory level, and any one of them could be scum lurking in the shadows. We have quite a ways to go before anyone dies, so a lot of things can change. Read on Vayne slightly changes based on a short exchange between them. This shows he is adapting based on new information. + Show Spoiler [rayn] + Still working on this. + Show Spoiler [Malongo] + On July 28 2013 14:29 Malongo wrote: Sparrow pfff another smurf. So far in the inactive players I see 5. raynpelikoneet 7. Malongo 9. Stutters695 In the hyper-activity side I see: 1. Oatsmaster 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow 10. hzflank 14. exarezee Everyone else is meh-activity wise. So far my best pick is hzflank I really didnt like this post from hzflank: The think about starting the day lynching a lurker ise c to force the players to post and force the mafia to make mistakes. I rather start the day forcing lurkers to post than "looking for 2/3 wagons" earlier. Earlier wagons are more likely to be town (in my experience) and the lurker lynching stays aside. Trying to get early wagons is also a good way to close the fence early wich help the mafia more than the town. His vote so far on Paperscraps is really weak and when I read his filter I found it really reactive (or defensive as he put it). ##Vote: hzflank Id be happy to lynch CJS for no reason too ( I just hate attention-smurfs ). I've played with town Malongo a few times and he NEVER does this type of stuff. Can't tell if his meta is changing or he is scum trying to look pro-town. The list by activity is utterly useless. The case on hzflank is meager, but it does establish his stance on the lynch. On July 29 2013 06:44 Malongo wrote: This is hzflank on Paper: How can that be mafia if the game had just started? You expect something like a paper on who is mafia based on 10 pages of posts? guy addressed one by one each player and you get angry because he doesnt respond directly to you This is a lie as proof you can actually find the exchange that he actually answers you directly: So actually you are telling that you dont understand Paper so he is not town. See the logic flaw? Well actually his one sentence makes more sense to me than these case. He calls Vivax directly lurker because there was no reason behind his vote. How is that in any ways indicative of mafia? if something he liked your own way to be abrasive. What? most people look at Paper as null towards townie, I dont see anyone calling him town. What I am sure is your post is really forced towards Paper This case is a lot better and appears near the lynch. The lie he caught hzflank in is especially interesting. More importantly, this establishes Malongo as someone who was AGAINST the Paper lynch but FOR the hzflank lynch. If Paper flips town, Malongo looks good. If Paper flips scum, this could be a possible teammate. On July 29 2013 22:39 Malongo wrote: hz is top of tops to me. Next to him active lurkers like JAT and VA should be put in line asap. I read a lot of inconsistency in Vivax and I found it odd that you are/were pushing so hard on Koshi who is town from my perspective. but neither of those things look alligment indicative to me. Post-lynch consistency On July 30 2013 09:41 Malongo wrote: If there is no miller there is no chance in hell you are telling the truth. Vigi on me asap, clear the vigi you and me, im green. This is an odd response. Why didn't he ask vigi to hit Vayne? After all, if he knows Vayne is lying, shouldn't he assume he is scum? On July 31 2013 00:20 Malongo wrote: Because i am green townie and in this position I have little to no chance to know what is happening behind the scenes. My real initial guess was "player x contacted VA and claimed a positive check". VA has no other chance but to call me out behind a lie. I think all the time VA is blue because of his posting... so if I ask a hit on VA and goes on is a lot worse than a hit on me. This is really weird. Malongo thinks pms are allowed? lol wtf? What a conspiracy theory. Probably town at this point, but has some really weird posts. + Show Spoiler [Vayne] + Starts off with a bunch of stupid joke posts trying to look scummy? Really weird play. On July 29 2013 06:16 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote:vivax playing like he does as scum. Long winded light on content posts, trying to get people mislynched for trivial things, and readjusting course when it doesn't work. If he's not scum I will need to re-assess my thoughts on his play. Meta argument by Vayne. Flimsy justification. Don't really like this post at all. On July 30 2013 09:21 VayneAuthority wrote: I have a guilty check on malongo. awaiting his response! Now that we know that this was a fakeclaim, I just don't see scum pulling this kind of move. On July 30 2013 09:49 VayneAuthority wrote: to get some concrete reads, I have been barely reading the thread since it was just a bunch of useless stuff. I added in my own useless reads. Time to start playing for real This feels exactly like something town Vayne would do/say. He was an asshole like this in Nuclear Winter and he was town in that game. Feels town here too. + Show Spoiler [Stutters] + Still working on this. + Show Spoiler [hzflank] + On July 27 2013 17:21 hzflank wrote: First impressions: I do not like how much discussion there has been about lurkers. The first post was palatable, but the fact that so many people decided to focus the conversation on it created an environment that benefits scum more than town. To talk about lurking policy properly would require a conversation about mafia-theory and philosophy, which is a conversation that allows scum to both hide easily and setup town-town wagons on day one. Paperscraps is the scummiest player to have posted so far. That does not mean that you should find a fence to sit on. There are many pro-town things that you could be doing on day 1 even if you have a hard time forming good scum reads. This post is so scummy, as it is just throwing mud for no good reason. I did not like this post by Tofu as I cannot tell whether he is actually prodding or looking for a soft target. The bolded part is what puts a scummy tone on the post. Exarzee is almost as town as anyone can be at this stage of the game. The only thing I did not like was: There are good town reasons for withholding a read for a few hours or until a particular person has posted, however the reason given above by Exarzee is not a good town reason. I am willing to let it slide due to some of his other posts being very town. This post by Rayn is not scummy, but I want to point it out because I do not think that anyone should be encouraged to sheep. Sheeping generally helps scum more than town. To finish, I liked the way that a lot of votes were thrown around early and I see benefit in continuing to do this, as it will provide extra information in the future. Since I think that Paperscraps is the scummiest player so far: ##vote: Paperscraps Makes a case on Paper pretty early in the game. It has some decent points. Feels like it's coming from town. On July 27 2013 17:57 hzflank wrote: That is not taking a stance. Taking a stance would be “I am going to vote for anyone who lurks”. Saying that you will vote for a lurker unless someone else is scummier and then going on to say that it is hard to get solid reads on day 1 is not taking a stance. I do not think that being afraid to say what to do with lurkers is a scum tell. I do think that attempting to mimic thread sentiment is a scum tell. This is a good post. It follows up on his scum read and clarifies his position on a few issues. On July 27 2013 19:44 hzflank wrote: I am not going to defend the points you have raised against Tofu as that is his job and not mine. I do not like the fact that you start your case on Tofu with an attack on me based on the timing of my post. If I happen to be at my computer then 7 minutes is more than enough time to read your post, read Tofu's filter, consider it and make my own short post. After my initial two reads of the thread I was aware of a post from Tofu that I thought was scummy. It was this post: I didn't like this at all. It looks like he is worried about being associated with me. Why? Only scum should be afraid of associations. Town just dismisses them as impossible because they know they are town. On July 27 2013 20:19 hzflank wrote: The association between Tofu and I. There is no good reason to clutter your case on Tofu with shit against me unless you think there may be an association. The only time I (as town) have ever talked shit about one person in a case against another person is when I thought that they were both scum. Again, he brings up this "association" by posting. Seems rather silly to be so worried about something so trivial. On July 27 2013 21:20 hzflank wrote: No. It would of changed everything if you had posted your reasons for thinking that Tofu is scum before you asked for other people's opinions. It is scummy to test the waters before you actually post a case. Me defending Tofu makes it harder for town to get a read on Tofu based on his own defence. Therefore, when writing a case the ideal scenario is for the person to defend the case themselves before other people comment too much on it. In this case that was not possible due to time zones, but by discounting my reasons for thinking Tofu is town as you gave the reasons as to why Tofu is scum you made it more likely that I would defend Tofu. That is scummy. On second thoughts, your case being less likely to attract votes is not a scum tell on you. Why did you suggest a wagon on Tofu before you actually posted the reasons for it? This post is interesting. He says he knows he shouldn't be defending me, so he's not going to. However, all of his last few posts have been soft-defenses of me mainly because Clarity soft-associated us with each other. I don't like hzflank's response to this situation at all. On July 27 2013 23:24 hzflank wrote: But which of them do you think is most likely scum? If I were scum I would love to see a town post that he would like the vote to be between a specific two people. So to me either your post was more useful to scum than to town, or you are scum. I am leaning towards the former, so please answer the question. These questions to exarezee are making me feel townish on hz again. He's asking what's important. "Why are you waffling on two people you find scummy. Why not choose one and stick with it?" Paraphrased, obviously. On July 27 2013 23:48 hzflank wrote: Because scum want two town wagons on day 1. Town only wants to find one scum as the chance of actually finding multiple scum on day 1 is very slim. If a scum member is under pressure and cannot deal with it alone then the simplest and easiest thing for the scum team to do is to ignore that person and secure two other lynch candidates. If town start saying that we want to lynch two specific people then it makes it too easy for scum to steer us into a mislynch without being noticed. If you think that they are both scum that is fine, but don't do anything resembling pushing for lynches on them both at the same time. I really liked this post. Looks like he's proactively stating his stance on the lynch situation and why he thinks pushing multiple wagons at the same time is scummy. + Show Spoiler [Koshi] + On July 29 2013 00:17 Koshi wrote: ##vote : hzflank I will put my vote on the person that is actively posting and I find the most scummy. Reasons: 1) Disagree on Paper 2) Posting habit is equal to a previous game with hzflank. Such a good scumplayer, got killed by SK that game because he looked the most town with a lot of people left. This is a respect vote if you like. I am checking in every so many minutes for questions. A very early vote on hzflank. Pretty flimsy case, but like Malongo, it establishes his motivation for his choice around lynchtime. On July 28 2013 23:33 Koshi wrote: My current lynchpool: raynpelikoneet Malongo VayneAuthority Stutters695 I have put ??? after these players but I can let them live another day: hzflank On July 29 2013 01:19 Koshi wrote: People Koshi wants to lynch 1. hzflank 2. Stutters 3. VA People Koshi can agree upon: 4.Malongo People Koshi won't lynch ever: 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 I am REALLY hating these lists by Koshi. They aren't helping town and it looks like he is just trying to come off as prot-own without actually contributing. On July 29 2013 08:07 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote: Paperscraps Does this near lynchtime because not enough people want to lynch hzflank. He says he prefers lynch to no-lynch. On July 29 2013 09:26 Koshi wrote: We could have had that if we knew that Paper was 99% town. Enough people knew paper was town in the end, we could have ignored the tunnelers, but with majority lynch, their might have been too many people disliking the no lynch. Maybe even me. Nha, removing the vote was terrible Vivax. Truly terrible. But meh, you will prove you aren't scum. I don't like this in light of Vivax flipping town. It looks like Koshi might have had known Vivax's alignment pre-death? I don't know why a scum Koshi would kill Vivax though. On July 29 2013 20:28 Koshi wrote: So hz believes 2 complete different things at the same time. 1) Koshi and Paper are scum 2) Koshi is pushing paper lynch because Koshi thinks paper is town Which is impossible. And pretty close to impossible to think as a town player. Koshi brings up a good point here. Hzflank's reads of Paper and Koshi are incompatible when paired together. However, he may have thought they were scum independently of one another. On July 30 2013 02:01 Koshi wrote: HZFLANK If you have read the pages around 59-61 you will see that that hzflank is defending a lot of the flak he is getting by saying that he was only 50% sure about Paper being scum and that he didn't have any better reads on another player, and that he felt it was his duty as town to push the wagon he believed the most in. Anybody that followed the thread yesterday knows that hzflank was pretty stuck on Paper and that a small miracle had to happen for him to change his vote. I could have been that miracle but I am not even going to discuss how strange that is after all the nullreads I got from hz this game. I would like to put your focus on how other wagons or people that didn't believe Paper was scum were treated, in the spoilers below you have exchanges with XRZ and Oats. But a lot of you had interactions with hzflank on why he was thinking Paper was the best read. Did you back then believed it was a 50% read of him? Come on... + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 00:02 hzflank wrote: I think that Paper is scum. However, that read may possibly change (If I am given reason to change it), and if it does change then there is every possibility that they are both town. Their interactions with you in no way preclude them from both being town. + Show Spoiler + On July 28 2013 22:59 hzflank wrote: Lol Oats, so obvious. Oats and Paper both scum, FT and JAT both town. Vivax probably town. He thinks I am scum because I seemed to be soft defending JAT. Now these 2 quotes are a few of many attempts by hzflank (and XRZ is guilty of this as well) to control the thread with their scumreads. It's funny how they even say "we should only have 1 wagon because scum wants 2 town wagons on day 1" with XRZ countering that at least 1 of FT and Paper is scum so that these are perfect wagons... (little secret: FT looks town like hell for a FT Day 1 and especially his behavior during lynch) But Koshi you should not make associations like that, right? Ok ok. Let's keep this case focused on hzflank. (just remember while you read Vivax his case) I will repeat again that this behaviour of hzflank resembles a game I recently played with him. Please take into considering that I am telling the truth here without me been able to verify that. Some of the things that you can verify is that hz is a high volume poster, he has a lot of posts and scum that is able to post a shitton is very hard to lynch, extremely hard, unless they screw up. Which hz did: Remember that hzflank is a high volume poster. He posts a lot and that is why in general it is almost impossible to lynch these guys. But what is hzflask his defense on this misstep? He says that he isn't scum because if he was scum he would not have replied to me. THIS is bullshit. Believe me. This is bullshit and you should not believe it. hzflank replied to my post (that wasn't directed at him btw but more at rayn and Vivax trying to change votes to FT) in a way that you should see as a scared scum response. This is why, and there are a few replies of hzflank that he posted in defense that make what I type here true, go look them up: (I rewrote the points I make here to make it easier to understand than before) But as scum? THIS ONLY HAPPENS IN A SCUMBRAIN!!! + Show Spoiler + On July 29 2013 21:00 hzflank wrote: I believed that Koshi and/or Paper might be scum. Obviously I did not have a 100% read on either of you. I was trying to work out why town-Koshi would switch his vote to Paper so easily. My conclusion was that it was because you thought that Paper was town and that it would help your case against me. I was wrong though and unfortunately I was not thinking clearly enough. That is actually a better reason for scum-Koshi to vote for Paper than for town-Koshi to. It is easier to say that in hindsight though, now that I know that Paper was town. A scum player would not even need to try to work out why Koshi was voting for Paper. A scum player would just go with it and settle for lynching a townie. Conclusion: Lynch, shoot and kill this guy. Burn his body afterwards. Case on hz is okay, but is based on speculation. Not really convinced about hzflank. + Show Spoiler [JAT] + See: scumslip + Show Spoiler [XRZ] + Still working on this While I'm gone, let me know what you guys think about these players. Whether you agree/disagree and why. I'm having issues with this. Tofu you're calling me town for not tunneling you for too long and then you're calling Oats town for continuing to tunnel? On July 31 2013 02:46 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, town. Here is a question: Does a Veteran die when he is roleblocked and shot by scum? I guess he does? I am currently thinking about the possibility of scum interpreting Vivax boost of activity and scumhunting + his vigclaim as bait to shoot him (vet). So if he was on the right track they could have shot + roleblocked Vivax to be sure and to kill a potential blue. In this case clarity had all the reasons to claim being roleblocked as scum. It also makes sense it's him who claims because Vivax attacked him before he died. You're ignoring the possibility of a doctor, something scum wouldnt do. I guess they really think I am the doc, or they wouldnt have gone for Vivax. | ||
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On July 31 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim". I don´t wanna go to this PM shit because there are no PM´s and Malongo should know that. If malongo flips green, how does that make vayne a confirmed liar? Because if a vig shoots Malongo and he flips green then vayne can´t any more say "it was a fakeclaim". What? Doesn't that confirm that it was a fakeclaim? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:12 hzflank wrote: Mal thought that Vayne was PMed by a fake-cop. Shoot Mal > Flips green Vaybe says: Player X PMed me with the red check, lynch player X Town lynches player X who flips red But there are no pms, how does malongo's alignment have anything to do with vayne's alignment. Or more specifically, since he said "liar" not "scum". What does malongo's alignment have to do with vayne lying or not. What did vayne say that created this association? | ||
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On July 31 2013 23:13 hzflank wrote: Sorry Clarity, I think I misread that. Are you questioning why Rayn is not on the same page as you and I? I just don't understand the quoted part of rayn at all, trying to. That is all | ||
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Yes, you didn't want to lynch Paper. Who did you want to lynch instead? Vivax. On July 29 2013 06:16 VayneAuthority wrote: ##unvote ##vote:vivax playing like he does as scum. Long winded light on content posts, trying to get people mislynched for trivial things, and readjusting course when it doesn't work. If he's not scum I will need to re-assess my thoughts on his play. Nice random point at there end there btw. Then you say you'll consolidate if you have to, a full 3 minutes after voting for vivax. On July 29 2013 06:19 VayneAuthority wrote: when's deadline btw? If I have to consolidate on some shit tier lynch I will but vivax is a pretty good start Do you try to push your own wagon, or even try to see if others are willing to go for Vivax? No ofcourse not. Why would you care who gets lynched if you're scum? Currently Paper is on track to be lynched, who you are calling town, but that doesn't stop you from going "w/e I'll consolidate" Do you end up consolidating? No, you just keep your vote uselessly on Vivax. On July 29 2013 06:25 VayneAuthority wrote: The worst offender on that list is tofu and only because he told me to stop shitting up the thread so early like he knew I was town or something. I know that's a stupid thing to go off of but he's probably the scummiest on the list just for that So... Where is your vote on Tofu? I'm actually willing to lynch you now. At least Koshi has started trying. ##Vote VayneAuthority | ||
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Your logic on malongo/vayne makes sense. Also made me realize that if town has a cop and a vigi, the claim could possibly kill two scum (vigi shoots malongo and then vayne counterclaims) I'll have to reread oats, will be back later. I still want vayne dead. | ||
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Meaning he's going to die sooner or later anyway. If he's alive d4, then yeah. I think you're pretty cool though CJS, other then thoughts about vayne, what ye been thinking about? | ||
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On July 31 2013 01:31 exarezee wrote: 1. Oatsmaster - town 2. Vivax the Third Class Passenger 3. Clarity_nl - town 4. IMCaptainJackSparrow - town 5. raynpelikoneet - town 6. Paperscraps the Third Class Passenger 7. Malongo - scum 8. VayneAuthority - town 9. Stutters695 10. hzflank - town 11. Koshi - scum 12. FirmTofu 13. justanothertownie 14. exarezee - town Just my reads at the moment and something I can look back at. It looks like my current scum team is koshi, malongo and 2/3 from stutters, tofu, JAT. will look to see what makes the most sense to me. | ||
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On August 01 2013 02:07 VayneAuthority wrote: you need to read the game before making associations if you want a serious response. I said multiple times that all my reads day 1 were fake and contrived to throw scum off. I never for a second thought vivax was actually scum given how much he was posting. They still killed him though since nobody shared my sentiments. Okay so you're saying that ALL your reads. Like, every single one of them. ALL OF THEM. SO MANY THAT I CANT EVEN COUNT. They are all serious? | ||
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Either you're scum, vayne, or you have some kind of ego problem where you tell yourself "okay while everyone else plays the game like idiots I'll just sit atop my throne and not speak unless I am sure about my reads" "BUT WAIT, that's not all, on day 1 I'll give out FAKE reads, and on day 2 I'll do a fakeclaim to gather information which I WONT FUCKING DO ANYTHING WITH. You know what, let's just policy lynch this martyr and make sure we don't talk about anything else for the remainder of the day." Sound about right? | ||
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I think this post On August 01 2013 02:48 Stutters695 wrote: Assumption. I plan for the worst, and a successful janitor kill practically ends us if we have Mal& Oats alive in LYLO. In context, rearranged: We are screwed if Mal and Oats are alive in LYLO He's implying scum in both | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:36 hzflank wrote: Clarity, you here? Want to bounce some stuff back and forth? I see two sides forming, one is scum and the other is town. I am just not sure which is which. I'm keeping up with the thread but am doing fun stuffs with peoples on the internet so don't expect me to filterdive deeply or anything anytime soon. I can bounce thoughts though, whatsup? | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:42 VayneAuthority wrote: here's something to think about hz If rayn is the one leading scum right now ( which I think he is) He said to have the doctor on vivax, so he thought he was the most dangerous/important player at the time. Fast forward and vivax died that night. He then gave the fake "why wasn't doc on vivax!!" anger that along with his questionable play this game leads me to believe he is scum, the subconscious speaks the truest! You're implying a scum rayn knew there was no doc? | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:47 VayneAuthority wrote: its not like he can force the doctor to be on vivax. I'm not good at making cases but he scum. doesn't really matter right now tho ' Yeah but, if he wanted Vivax dead why scream in thread "DOC VIVAX HES IMPORTANT" | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:00 FirmTofu wrote: The problem with that reasoning, hz, is that you have already taken a side yourself. You would be on the hypothetical scumteam with me Cora and koshi if we were to apply this logic without knowing your alignment. Don't you see how that is problematic? Unless you think he's bussing his entire team at this point, not really. | ||
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On August 01 2013 04:57 hzflank wrote: Scum teams: Rayn/Stutters and probably Exar Or Cora/FT and probably Koshi I wont bother trying to name the fourth member. Stutters makes the 'scumslip' about a Janitor. I have personally seen such scumslips be real, but also I have seen them be false and used my scum to attack town for making a shitty scumslip. Cora attacks Stutters for the scumslip. So I build on it with a joke scum-slip attack on Stutters. Stutters makes a response that might actually be a real scumslip. I am no psychiatrist, but I would think that if you think that someone is scum then you do not assume them town when you make a snap (instant) assumption. That's not enough to know that Stutters is scum, so I need to prod. Exar begins to make shit posts. Rayn completely flips out in the thread. Note the previous interactions between Rayn and Stutters. When I called Stutters out N1 for his filter Rayn said that Stutters plays like this when he is scum. But Rayn never pressed Stutters on it and later got a solid town read on Stutters. Not long after that Rayn had Stutters as the possible fourth man in his most likely scum team. I propose that Rayn's recent flip out in the thread may have been designed to make things messy and stop people from talking about Stutters. So I remind people of what Stutters posted. It gets a little attention but not much. Then Cora attacks Stutters again for the role scumslip. Stutters has Cora as scum anyway so that should of set alarm bells off for a town-Cora. Rayn had Stutters as town and Cora as scum so Rayn should have been as happy to lynch Cora as FT after that. Then Stutters tells me that I should just forget it and vote FT. Also consider that Rayn has Exar as town. I wont name everyones reads in this post as if I try it off the top of my head I will likely make mistakes. Anyway, based on all of that, do you see the two sides formed? At least partially? If I tilt my head and squint. I can't read Koshi anymore. Yes he's been trying a bit now but that could just be his scumteam going: "wtf dude stop trolling you're screwing us over" It could also him being town realizing how useless he was being. If I had to pick one of those two groups (I'm not saying these are the actual possibilities) then I would go with rayn/stutters/xrz, my problem with this is stutters his response to vayne's fakeclaim is extremely town. So this only works if vayne is scum. I find it dificult to see Koshi and CJS on the same scumteam although that's just feeling I don't have anything to back it up atm. On August 01 2013 05:03 VayneAuthority wrote: if it helps, stutters is a lot more abrasive like this as town. His one scum game his filter reads very passively and he throws a couple cases around and agrees with people a lot. Idk this game is confusing =/ still trying to figure out why town is so hesitant to lynch some one that isn't going to help us vote for scum or play the game. Because this isn't some guy who can play well but has been under pressure for so long that he just goes "FUCK IT IM BAD VOTE MAHSELF", it's malongo. Plus he might be modkilled or replaced tonight. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:03 FirmTofu wrote: Well his theory hinges on the scumteam NOT bussing anyone. I don't think any scum team would be that stupid. My point is hz using this theory and putting himself on one of the scumteams is silly, and from his perspective his theory makes sense, regardless of if you can shoehorn him into one of the two "sides" or not. | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:43 hzflank wrote: Sorry Vayne, I did not mean to offend so I wont continue that. On another note: Look how hard Stutters is pushing Tofu / proxy defending Mal. What do you make of that? I actually do not think that Stutters and Mal are both scum. He would not defend him like that if they were as it is he is purposefully being obvious about it. Does it make sense to you that tofu is scum and malongo is town? Why try to move a lynch away from someone that won't give any useful association away (I think anyway, everyone has shit on him at some point) | ||
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On August 01 2013 05:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Are the Malongo votes for realsies or are people just faking interest in lynching him? I still think he is very likely to flip scum if we lynch him. It's for real, but I'm desperately trying to find a better lynch target. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Malongo is going to flip town and you are all idiots or mafia. Do i need to tell you again why this is so very wrong target? Is there anyone who can think with their own brain? I dislike your case on oats, although I think it's dodgy that he's practically disappeared and been useless day 2. But I'm not lynching him today. Want me to vote for someone other than malongo? convince me someone other than oats is scum | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity if you are town please please please read what i have said about FT and Oats particularly. You seem to be the voice town listens to because all of the scum are soft-pushing me to discredit me. In fact every fucking player doesn´t believe in me and i don´t know why is that. I have made perfect sense and i am not bad at this shit. I might not be the best player around but i am fucking sure Malongo is not mafia. His actions in this game and in last two games (I swear 2 & NWM) pretty much prove that. Clarity, Malongo, vayne, Stutters and hzflank are pretty damn sure to be town. exarezee is town for me by his actions on D2, he is being consistent with his actions when you mirror that to his reads. There is a slight possibility that JAT is in fact scum, but everyone else looks way more scummy, because they should be playing 1000xc better than they are atm. Has malongo been scum in any of those games, and if not, what's not to say he plays the same amount of clueless as scum. townreads on me, hz and vayne make sense. I can see from your perspective why stutters might be town, but malongo? I don't think anyone in particular listens to me, although hz bounces off of me which is cool. I haven't played all too well. Looking townie when I'm town is my only strength. My strength about FT's scumslip townslip is waning a bit, and oats is the only person who directly agreed with it, so perhaps there is some truth there. I'm gonna go look. I don't have to look at FT because I know he looks like scum, but your oats case really did look weak. Be back in a bit. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:50 VayneAuthority wrote: If malongo flips green I'll just be really apathetic and forget this game even happened in a few days like I did with NWM. Not the end of the world and I won't feel bad at all. Lets say I go ahead and lynch firmtofu with you guys and he flips green. We get to endgame and malongo flips red and everyone has a good laugh at my expense. Fuck that. I love how your reasons for staying on Malongo are because of your giant ego. Figures, with the way you played this game. "I'm important enough to not do shit day 1, because fuck day 1" | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:55 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: At least FT is going to defend himself and he will scumhunt on D3. What is Malongo going to do? Nothing. We're going to sit here and think about Malongo's lynch some more because we didn't lynch him today. Basically if we keep Malongo around, the issue of lynching him is going to stick around every single day until we lynch him. Do you really want to be sitting at D5/6/7 with a complete question mark and a complete crapshoot in Malongo? I definitely would not want to do that. FirmTofu is going to continue to give us posts that will help us determine his alignment even more accurately. Malongo is going to continue to be a crapshoot. Let's get rid of the mystery earlier and get this town headed in a better and clearer direction. If he does nothing surely there will be mod actions. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: What if he makes 1 or 2 posts and votes himself again? He won't be modkilled in that instance. If he does that then he's no longer a townie that ragequit. If he does that he's scum. We can determine that d3. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: vayne, fuck you. seriously. vote for FT now, i am a cop who has a green check on you from N1, you need to fucking vote for FT so we can stop this bullshit, Malongo is 99% town. You are going to lose the game for us with your stubborness. I believe dis because it makes no sense as scum, like at all. Cool beans. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:12 FirmTofu wrote: If I'm going to die, I'm going to claim. It's the last defense I have available so I'm going to make use of it. Claiming VT is the equivalent of going BUT REALLY GUYS IM TOWN Except if you live, you screw over town. Makes no sense. | ||
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On August 01 2013 06:54 Clarity_nl wrote: Like, that guy in a MOBA that constantly suicides until the game ends because someone else took mid. All the while explaining how MY TEAM DID THIS, ITS THEIR FAULT IM SUICIDING. | ||
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Day 1 mislynch and townie dies night one and you need 7 out of 12 votes, where there are 4 scum. So unless scum bus, lynching scum day 2 requires seven out of eight townies. Fuck me | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:37 FirmTofu wrote: Alright, I'll vote myself if you guys can convince me that killing me is better than the alternative. What does it give you that would make Day 3 more productive? Remember, I know I am VT, so convince me based on this assumption. It's rather hard to make an argument to lynch you, working from the assumption that you are 100% town. Yes, we get information, but is it more information than we have at the moment with the way the votes have gone? The only new information would be your alignment. If you hammer yourself, we learn that you are town, which will make finding scum a little easier but with malongo and vayne in this game we'll probably lose. Ugh | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:45 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well Rayn, when you put this: With this: It leads me to conclude this: I'm just making conclusions based off of your posts Rayn. Unless you didn't mean those posts too just like your town read on paperscraps... Stupid argument. Obviously when he says "people no voting FT" he means "people not voting FT that are currently here. Pretty sure rayn believes vayne and malongo to be town. Stop trying to twist stuff. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:52 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm not twisting shit. Rayn literally said that anyone who doesn't vote for FT is scum and then named off 5 people who weren't voting for FT. I'm just connecting the dots. Yes, he literally said that. Did he mean it literally? Do you think that rayn LITERALLY thinks there are more than 4 scum? LIKE LITERALLY | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:54 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well then why is Rayn saying stupid shit like that? I DUNNO, WHY ARE YOU. DO YOU THINK HES SCUM THAT FORGOT TO COUNT? | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:54 FirmTofu wrote: If and when I flip, I want town to gaurantee that they will KILL rayn, JAT, and stutters If you guys can at least promise and execute this, I will be happy. This seems pretty reasonable if you flip green. Obviously doublechecking some stuff but yeah, that's reasonable. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:55 VayneAuthority wrote: it doesn't say that in the OP so if you could ask mods for me since im time crunched right now that would be great. If you really need my vote I can change it but it wasnt specified in the OP It's majority vote. Majority. Do you know what a majority is? It means more than half. HEAD DESK | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well I must go to work. Be back later. Vote Malongo, kids. Scum | ||
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His behavior, regardless of tofu's alignment, is scummy | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: when is the deadline? we gotta kill FT., Clarity, look at it,. Cora is caliming scum because that would "clear" FT and FT has a better role (like gf/roleblocker) than he does, Core is not this bad, we gotta lynch FT. We have an hour. That's fine, but tofu and vayne are willing to vote cora, guarantees a lynch if most of town comes along no? | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because you are fucking both scum and again, I JUST EXPLAINED IT!!!!! i´m really gonna cry after this game. fuck the town is uncapable to realize anything. Every single fucking comment FT makes is scum. Yo rayn. I understand, but as you said, looks like we might not be able to lynch tofu. If we lynch cora, it'll be easier to lynch tofu tomorro. | ||
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##Vote CaptainJackSparrow Let's go Vayne | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:18 hzflank wrote: Why would I change my vote when FT is scum and Cora is town? Do you honestly think that Vayne does not know how majority lynch works? Well I think if he did he wouldnt give us the chance to have it explained to him. Think he'd just afk. Can we get tofu lynched? Doesn't look like it. Whats going through your head hz? | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:18 exarezee wrote: ok guys. cant believe i have to do this. im detective. peeked malongo scum. i think rayn is town though lol. WTF, wait, why do you think rayn is town | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:19 hzflank wrote: Vayne just made a brilliant play to see who wanted to move their votes from FT to CJS. I did it first | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:22 hzflank wrote: If Exar was cop he would of called Rayn out on previously claiming cop. Pretty much. | ||
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Rayn, it is a 1-1 trade if we lynch xrz as well. I do suppose that there is a chance he's telling the truth, and if he stays alive we have two cops = 1 check. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: FUCK THIS TOWN! I AM DONE! You are all so utterly fucking idiots. IDIOTS! LYNCH THE COP! LYNCH THE COP! fuck you all. chill out, stop shitting up the thread with spam. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:26 Malongo wrote: hello gentleman just made it home. How do I help town? Do I stay on me? LOL | ||
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##Vote Malongo Then xrz tomorrow if he flips green. Pretty foolproof. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:42 hzflank wrote: hmm, if FT is Janitor does his flare kill me in one shot? Errr, I suggest to jump into the sea when you get hit, to extinguish the.... wait flares work underwater right? You screwed son. | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:43 hzflank wrote: Sorry if I am being egotistical, but could they be risking this to save the janitor for a 50% chance of day-vigging the confirmed Vet? Depends on the answer to your question. Does janitor shot (if it hits) kill vet? | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:56 Malongo wrote: Fuck all this is my death stop posting and pay some respect on the martyrs. IN REMEMBRANCE OF MALONGO SETUP SPECULATE | ||
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On August 01 2013 08:58 VayneAuthority wrote: the trick was saying I was ready to vote for CJS I'd say I would find that hard to believe but you came back despite everyone having a townread on you. If you were scum you could have just afk'd on Malongo. I mean, we eventually came back to malongo but, lol. Anyway, I'm going to bed straight after flip. | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: One thing i don´t get Koshi. If vayne is scum why did Malongo react to the check like he did? It makes no sense to me, because Malongo would know there is some sort of plan going on when his scumbuddy claims a check on him. This in itself clears vayne. As rayn says no reason to even consider a vayne lynch until 3 scum dead and vayne still alive, and even then he's probably not scum. I won't be very active today but I'll be sure to post some thoughts before night ends. | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: It´s also funny that you people are now calling me scum when half of the thread wanted to lynch exarezee over Malongo and i was shouting for a mafia lynch. omg you guys are bad. I dunno how you could be shouting that if you are actually cop. You believe two cops without a framer role is likely? I can understand not counterclaiming vayne immediately, but xrz claims cop and you go FUCK YEAH LYNCH HIS TARGET. | ||
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On August 01 2013 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like do you not think about this kinda stuff at all? Do you constantly feel the need to add stuff like this? Like, do you feel superior when you say stuff like this or something? | ||
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If scum let you live we'll get two more checks from you. Seeing as there is no framer I suggest you think about what two checks you wanna make and tell the thread. All that said, two cops still sounds unlikely to me in a setup without a framer. Not counterclaiming vayne if you're a cop makes sense, but immediately accepting xrz, especially after hz explained how vayne's claim makes less sense as vt, is just odd. | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:23 Koshi wrote: Yep, you said believe the other cop as opposed to "kill XRZ noaaaw". It would be terrible scum play or town play. If he is scum and he fakeclaimed for whatever reason, and a xrz says "red check on malongo, kill him", a scum rayn can't really say "no way dude you scum". It screws malongo AND him over. That said the claim makes no real sense as scum. I'll be back much later | ||
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On August 01 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Or because town/scum oats doesnt want to read 10 fucking pages of 1 liners close enough to obtain your proper intentions. Yeah why would town oats want to read the 10 pages leading up to the lynch. Because they're one-liners? oh... okay | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote: do you not read the part where it says 'close enough'? Not close enough to realize xrz had a red check on malongo? On August 01 2013 21:48 Oatsmaster wrote: So Rayn, why did you switch off FT onto Malongo? After not talking about Malongo AT ALL? Burn in hell scum | ||
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Then why ask rayn why he switched to malongo? Like wtf, I don't get you oats | ||
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You wanted him to explain why he switched his vote to the guy with the redcheck? Why don't you just ask why he believed xrz so quickly, like the rest of us. Maybe it's because you didn't read shit and just asked a dumb question and are now trying to rationalize it. If you are town you are putting 0 effort into this game. | ||
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On August 01 2013 22:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah because FT is definitely scum and there are stupid townies like vayne who were refusing to vote for him because they had not read the OP. And stupid townies were trying to set another wagon on CJS which would have probably made the day a no-lynch unless XRZ did put the town into right track. Noone other than me even fucking tried to make a scum lynch happen. Riiiiiiight | ||
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FT lynch wasn't happening so might as well do something with the time. Without xrz odds are we woulda nolynched. And sorry Oats, from now on when I think I'm saying something important I'll make it all big and shiny so that you actually read it. Fuck you | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity do you think there is a possibility that Koshi is mafia? I haven't gone back and looked at anything yet. So the answer is dunno. After he was done with his whole trolling thing he seemed to look more town. Is there a possibility of him being scum? yeah | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:37 hzflank wrote: Why do you expect Rayn to keep feeding us cop checks when scum have a roleblocker? Whether he is scum or not, Rayn cannot cop check anyone unless we lynch the roleblocker. If rayn is scum then scum cannot roleblock town as long as rayn is alive. I mean, I suppose theres a small chance town have a 4th PR, dunno. I don't think he's a good lynch d3 though. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:53 VayneAuthority wrote: and it was a good lesson in why you don't let self-voters go punished. Don't think I forgot about anyone ad-hom attacking me yesterday when I was staying on him. You look suspicious as fuck. That's probably rayn's biggest scum trait right now Working under the assumption that you didn't know it was majority lynch, yeah staying on him wasn't so bad. But it was majority lynch, and if we didn't have xrz with a redcheck on malongo you could have cost us the game. Anyway, postgame stuff. | ||
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On August 01 2013 23:57 VayneAuthority wrote: pray tell how I am costing you the game when I was on a scum? and yes if he didn't have a red check all the people voting with potential scum on FT would have lost us the game. let's get that clear in hindsight. Implying FT is town, who were the scum on the FT wagon? | ||
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On August 02 2013 00:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So the fact that i have been hard defending FT all game doesnt do anything for you if Im right? Oats, I was there with you. In fact, I'm the one that pointed it out to you. Now I'm doubtful, and the fact that you aren't is weird. | ||
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and I lub me some hzflank, he town, I town, all is good in the world | ||
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No one should have that bad of a town meta, though | ||
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Then I looked at the coin, it was heads. | ||
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Could you explain your slight town read on JAT please? | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:26 exarezee wrote: im done with you hzflank. you're god awful town player if ur town. im done trying to convince u. There is no reason for you to bluehunt like you've done this game. You've made 3 distinct posts regarding that. Ur right I have no idea how to find scum. We'll go with ur reads then. You just made a list of alignment based statements and he clearly states why you are wrong. Your reply to this is WELL FUCK YOU HZ YOU DONT KNOW SHIT. How do I into town? | ||
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Unless you're scum ofcourse, in which case just keep doing what you're doing. | ||
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Like wtf are you flipping out for xrz. | ||
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I suggest taking a couple hours break from mafia, come back tomorrow. The guy provides you with a logical argument and you fling shit. | ||
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On August 02 2013 04:31 exarezee wrote: And what is illogical about MY argument? WHY DO I BUS MALONGO? Please explain. He was theorizing, not stating, that if tofu is scum you have a possible motive. He said you're likely town. Chill the fuck out | ||
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On August 02 2013 05:03 exarezee wrote: Absolutely god awful thinking. I PEEKED a scum. LOLOL. Why would scum not night kill me. holy fuck. this game is tooooo funny. Yeah nice list of possible scum you have there bro. Let's have a talk postgame, yeah? | ||
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Never know. | ||
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Why did everyone drop off JAT after everyone was so sure he was scum due to his reaction to vayne's fakeclaim? | ||
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But before the whole malongo thing blew up and he martyred, but after vayne's fakeclaim chaos died down, suddenly there was no interest. You would think town would stick to their accusations during the whole fakeclaim stuff, right? Not just suddenly back off. | ||
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On August 02 2013 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity you mean Oats & Tofu? Well oats wasnt there when that stuff actually went down. I was more thinking you and tofu. Although I suppose you still list jat as scum afterwards when things are calm but he's suddenly like 4th or 5th on your list, instead of at the top. And tofu had been tunneling jat all day erryday anyway | ||
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rayn can you explain what happened to your thought process between these two posts? On July 30 2013 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: also hzflank is town, that's another reason why JAT is scum. vayne, what do you think of FT's response to your `"check"? "Malongo needs to explain himself"... rofl, could have aswell said "i know the guy is town". On July 30 2013 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Koshi was genuinely believing he had found scum in hzflank. That's why i think he is town. I also think hz is town because of his claim. vayne is town. I am also willing to believe Oats and Cora are town. That leaves me with Clarity, Malongo, JAT, FT, XRZ and Stutters. FT - XRZ; at least one pretty much has to be town for FT's attack on XRZ on D1. I am leaning on XRZ being scum for Vivax' case and XRZ's comments on Paperscraps' filter. I am leaning on Stutters being town. But if JAT is in fact town, then Stutters pretty much gotta be scum. I don't like Stutters' buddying to me, and JAT's latest posts give me town vibes . At the moment the scumteam looks like Clarity, XRZ, Malongo and one of Stutters/JAT. ##Unvote: ##Vote: exarezee Because of Vivax' case on him and his over-commital -> non-commital stance on Paperscraps' filter diving. That made zero sense from him. | ||
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You say you liked his recent posting, but looking at his filter there are 6 posts between the times of those two posts you made. + Show Spoiler + On July 30 2013 10:09 justanothertownie wrote: Why should I think Vayne and rayne are scum exactly? On July 30 2013 10:10 justanothertownie wrote: I mean rayne as scum is possible but why do I have to think Vayne is scum? On July 30 2013 10:14 justanothertownie wrote: Wow rayne now I'm convinced. Tofu you are right that wasn't thought through very well. On July 30 2013 10:15 justanothertownie wrote: I don't know why I should think Vayne is scum at all. What ever I'm gone for real this time. I will tackle this tomorrow when I'm calmer and not tired. On July 30 2013 10:20 justanothertownie wrote: We will see if I go out this way. The day is long and I'm town and I will try to prove this and people with a brain will understand. Good night. On July 30 2013 20:19 justanothertownie wrote: Why does almost everyone think I am scum for not 100% believing in Vaynes claim? I would have added that bracket anyways town or scum if I'd make that post. Which reason is there to immedeatly be 100% sure the claim is real? I don't see it. Also if I was scum I would probably not have posted my reads at all at that moment. To adress Tofus point: Yeah, that one was stupid by me. Like really stupid. But it's not alignment indicative in any way. I thought hz and you are scum and didn't consider all the available information/posted like an idiot, true. But why does this make me scum? Btw. I am absolutely of the opinion that scum hz could fake this claim. I am at work and can't be here reading/posting all the time but I will do my best to stop you from a stupid mislynch. What, exactly, made you change your read? | ||
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I don't understand what you think is townie about those quotes. | ||
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rayn, although your claim makes no real sense as scum, but I'm finding it hard to see you claiming like that as town as well. You basically claimed to get vayne to vote off of malongo... which obviously in hindsight looks pretty bad. If I work from the perspective that your claim is null, then the things I just pointed out look pretty damn scummy. I don't think it's enough to lynch you d3, but you're worth looking at more closely. If there are no more blue claims and rayn survives till mylo/lylo then he's probably town. If another blue pops up, either that person or rayn is scum. night night | ||
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xrz says he fakeclaimed the cop. He also said he got roleblocked. There has been no other roleblock claim. rayn couldn't even hold his shit together for 5 seconds to see responses. Two possibilities. 1. rayn is scum 2. Oats is GF and it's why they let you have a check. Don't really understand why you would check vayne and then call him "obvtown vt bait" If the roleblock was faked by me d2, and now faked by xrz d3 that would possibly be the worst fake roleblock claim by me in scum history But yes, rayn, from your perspective, if me and xrz are alive and scum AND we have no roleblocker, why did we let you live? Well, the only explanation is Oats being GF, right? Wanna know why? Because in EVERY EXPLANATION IN WHICH YOU LIVE, OATS IS GF. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote: ##vote: raynpelikoneet fu all dumb fuckers I thought you solved the game? I thought you thought I was scum? Are you gonna get upset because I'm scum and saying things that are WRONG? Like, what the fuck. | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:48 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm pretty sure #2 would be ruled out if Rayn is telling the truth because of the red check. Also Rayn, you literally just 180d on EVERY SINGLE READ you have made in the game (besides the FT read). What gives? I think I need to read that again. He wasn't. He said he checked vayne and lied about the oats check. Unless I'm going crazy....? | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is a GF but i cant fucking prove it. I broke a glass already because i was angry. Oats is GF and i can´t fucking prove it. There is no other reason i was not rb´d. So why the derp it's CLARITY XRZ TOFU GG BROS Why did you change your mind again? | ||
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On August 02 2013 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: CLARITY FT MAKES SENSE? QUESTION HIM! MAKE AN ARGUMENT. NOW! Still trying to wrap my head around you. But yeah tofu looks bad for that post. At least he didn't vote for himself, amirite? | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:04 FirmTofu wrote: As far as I'm concerned, xrz and cjs are 100% town based on the malongo flip. The fact that rayn is pursuing a xrz lynch right now is unforgivable. I mean, look at him. How can you not forgive that cute face covered in drool lying in a puddle of questionable contents? | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:13 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn expects us to believe that, Cora, who he says is confirmed town, HARD-DEFENDED me when my lynch was looking close to inevitable. Explain to me why town would do that. Explain to me how Cora and I can be of opposite alignments at this point. Explain to me how rayn can believe that Cora can be town while I am still scum. Town can be wrong | ||
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On August 02 2013 13:16 FirmTofu wrote: Rayn is also saying that XRZ hard-bussed each other throughout the entirety of day 1. Why would scum prolong and possibly risk causing a 2 wagons on 2 of their teammates? Its utterly absurd. rayn is in a good place right now Don't worry your pretty little head over it. You get all red when you get upset | ||
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xrz claims to be roleblocked. He says he tried checking Oats. This makes sense with what we know so far. Can xrz be scum? Yeah How likely is it? Like 1% rayn checks Cora and gets green Okay well, I don't really understand why he didn't check oats. The more important question is why is he alive? Three possibilities (I thought it was only two earlier). 1. He scum brah 2. Oats is GF 3. Scum thought he wasnt cop I think #2 is most likely. Yes, rayn just shit up the thread immensely but as dumb as it was it makes him pretty damn town in my mind. At the very least our cops should NOT check oats next night since the result (if we get one) is rather useless. rayn received some backlash for being a dumbass Obviously. Who looks worst? Probably tofu On August 02 2013 12:52 FirmTofu wrote: Yeah I have no fucking idea why we let rayn get away with this bullshit play all game long. ##vote: raynpelikoneet rayn is fakeclaiming cop. He probably killed vayne so he couldprove that his town check was correct. Hes been playing against us the entire game by throwing whit at everyone with one-liners and no reasoning to back it up. I cant believe we let him live this long. What rayn was doing at this point was so mindbogglingly stupid that it couldn't be anything else but true. rayn is behaving CRAZY after a night, which if he was scum, he expect to go that way. Then there's tofu's argument, which is completely WIFOMing the night kill. I believe Cora's vote is frustration more than anything, and obviously if rayn's check is real then cora is town. (I don't believe a GF plays this way) Oats his vote is weird, and I think he's scum at this point, but the vote itself doesn't look that terrible. Koshi Where's he been man? He was on the path of redemption and shit. Lastly, I don't like this post On August 02 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote: hosts, can we get a modkill of rayn for playing against his wincon? Like, regardless of alignment. Its more likely to come from scum given that he didn't ask this about malongo or vayne. | ||
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On August 02 2013 14:49 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: I'm really hesitant to throw off my vote off of him until he comes back and explains what happened. That's all from me for tonight, I'm going to bed. I don't understand why. Yeah he kinda flipped out, but do you think he's scum? | ||
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On August 02 2013 15:12 Oatsmaster wrote: clarity why so scum? I'm supposed to do your work for you? You tell me | ||
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I also believe there's no reason to consider lynching me until at least two scum flipped non roleblocker. I'm warming up to a FT lynch, have to reread some stuff though. If FT flips anything but a scum PR then xrz is cleared I believe. I'm around for questions. | ||
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I think it's >possible< that they're both scum, but we get more information from the FT lynch. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: It´s possible that Koshi is mafia. But really, the night actions make no sense if XRZ is town. Please Cora look at them. I still got ~50 hours to tell you why, and today we lynch FT. If FT flips a scum powerrole we should consider it. Before that there's really no point in going on about it the way you have been | ||
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On August 02 2013 23:12 hzflank wrote: I don't mind. FT is mor likely to be the RBer if they have one. But Exar is 99.9% scum while FT is only 99.89% scum. Could you explain xrz being nearly guaranteed scum to me? I really have a hard time seeing how this is true unless FT flips roleblocker. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon and Clarity, be honest with me here. Do you guys really think exarezee is so sure of himself and has such big balls that he fakeclaimed a cop to ensure a lynch on his scumread over another scumread? Because to me that makes absolutely zero sense. We'll find out, won't we? Unless you think you can explain xrz being scum if FT somehow flips town. Which would be impressive | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:22 exarezee wrote: if FT flips roleblocker, me and you are cleared??????????????????? I'll be cleared, you could be scum lying about a roleblock. Makes most sense if oats is GF though. Yes it's a stretch, but if FT flips roleblocker you are not cleared in my mind, and I should not be in yours. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:26 exarezee wrote: If I am scum and scum team has roleblock, why not just roleblock rayn? I on scum team know one of vayne/rayn is cop if there is one. If you roleblock rayn without you dying, that probably looks worse than if you get "roleblocked" and rayn doesn't die. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:26 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well Clarity started that stupid-ass train on me. I'm not sure how many votes it got before XRZ's fakeclaim. You weren't gonna get lynched stop being a baby about it | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:29 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Well then why'd you start the train in the first fucking place? Wanted to see who would switch since FT wasn't happening. | ||
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Thus bringing a blue vayne back in the possibilities. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain why mafia killed vayne, the dude noone listened to, over 2 cops. Explain why mafia killed vayne over ONE cop. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So mafia does not believe i am a cop when i claim a green check on a guy who is town. Makes sense? Okay, let's look at it this way. xrz is scum. WHY DO THEY KILL VAYNE, ITS THE EXACT SAME QUESTION. Saying that vayne dying means xrz is scum is nonsensical | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU KILL A DUDE WHO HAS NO GUARANTEE OF BEING BLUE OVER 2 CLAIMED BLUES?=?????? WHY THE FUCK NOONE IS THINKING WITH THEIR BRAIN!!" I am asking you THE SAME EXACT THING If xrz is scum, why does it make it more likely that they kill vayne over you? | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it´s the only scenario where they can even assume vayne is BLUE!!!!!!! So you're saying it's impossible scum thought you were full of crap and vayne was cop? He did a "fakeclaim" but he was RIGHT about malongo and then pushed hard for his lynch all day. | ||
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Are you guaranteed to be right? No. Stop it with the goddamn confirmation bias. If you can't see why they might think vayne was cop over you then you're being a dumbass. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:54 hzflank wrote: If XRZ is scum then killing Vayne was a good move. The bad move was XRZ un-claiming cop if he is scum. I agree with this. | ||
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On August 03 2013 00:56 hzflank wrote: Clarity, When Vayne fake claimed Cop, why did Rayn act as he did? He did not for a question whether or not Vayne was scum. Rayn had solid town on Vayne. Either Rayn was scum or Rayn had a green check on Vayne. A lot of people didn't question if he was scum. You have a point, but you can't work under the assumption that scum picked up on this. I'm not denying the possibility but the way rayn has been doing this all game, spamming the same thing over and over because he's so certain, but I don't see how it's a certainty. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: exarezee retracted from his cop claim to justify 2 things: 1) him not dying the next night 2) scum don´t need to claim roleblocked or roleblock anyone any more when i die. Again, if xrz is scum, why doesnt he just claim "roleblocked" and kill you. I don't understand why vayne dying makes xrz being scum the only possibility. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity assume you are scum. Would you seriously even think about killing vayne over 2 claimed cops as you can roleblock the other one and kill the other one to ensure no checks? I've answered this a thousand times. They might have thought vayne was cop and you were town. On August 03 2013 01:05 hzflank wrote: I agree. However, if XRZ knew he was not cop then why did he not call me town? he said Rayn was town and I was possible scum. This makes so sense for either alignment. Does xrz being a vt make it more likely that he calls you town, as opposed to when he's cop? Like, you're right it makes no sense, but it doesn't make him scum. There is some stuff that makes him scum, and there is some stuff that makes him town. But rayn saying it's over and done with and he's figured it out is detrimental to town. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: BECAUSE YOU CAN´T JUSTIFY YOU LIVING AND ME DYING!!! Yes he can, he just claims to be roleblocked and kills you. On August 03 2013 01:09 hzflank wrote: And this leads us to: Either XRZ is scum or scum do not have a roleblocker. But XRZ claimed that he was roleblocked. Walk me through how you got to this conclusion please. Like, why for example can't xrz be scum and FT be a roleblocker. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it´s the only scenario where mafia can assume vayne is a power role. How many times i have to say that? There is no way mafia assumes there are 4 power roles. And because i look worse than XRZ, there is no real justification in killing me and roleblocking him. It has to go the other way around. This makes sense kinda, but I'm not willing to say that if xrz is scum, scum's only choice is to not kill you. We'll gain more information about this next nightcycle though. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: I do not think mafia has a roleblocker and when we flip XRZ it becomes clear that Clarity is either town or mafia. Me and hzflank are confirmed town because of blue. exarezee doubts hzflank´s claim, when he knows himself he is not blue. Only one blue when there is a claimed roleblock does not make sense for a townie to think. I will concede a bit, the points you and hz combined bring up make sense. rayn, really, tone it down though. It's hard to take you seriously when you refuse to discuss something and just say the same exact thing 20 times over two pages. I however do not agree that if xrz flips a red non roleblocker that I am scum, obviously. I think what does happen though, if xrz flips red, is that one of FT or Cora have to be scum. FT being much more likely. ##Vote Exarezee | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:40 hzflank wrote: To add to that, the night actions only make sense for Exar-Town if Rayn is scum. But if Rayn is scum then we have no cop. If we have no cop then scum have no roleblocker. If scum have no roleblocker then Exar cannot of been roleblocked. Stop dividing by zero please. But yes if somehow rayn was scum and CJS or stutters was cop we'd have heard about it by now. | ||
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On August 03 2013 01:59 exarezee wrote: You know rayn has no case against me if there is a roleblock. You know there is a roleblock. So....your logical conclusion is that I as scum had a roleblock but chose not to use it on rayn for what reason? It still makes sense with a roleblock, scum just withholds it. This also means that if xrz flips scum, oats is town. | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:11 exarezee wrote: I don't mind you thinking I am scum. I mind your cocky ass attitude that can't allow for any other options. Looks like there is no use in me posting anything as nobody is willing to listen to logic. Hope you feel like shit after my flip. How very townie of you. | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Same question to Clarity. Please just post once instead of thrice. Yes. | ||
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On August 03 2013 02:43 hzflank wrote: No town person who was actually trying to win the game would think it worth the risk. I was trying hard to win on D2 and I did not think we lose if we mislynched on FT. You had no right to potentially throw the entire game away for me and every other town player with a fake guilty check. I am not moving my vote today. This is a bit extreme hz. Not a logical argument like I've come to expect from you this game. You genuinely seem upset at the thought of a townie doing this, to the point that you ignore the possibility altogether. Myself, I am having doubts. | ||
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On August 03 2013 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: It is not extreme at all. If XRZ is telling the truth and Malongo flipped green we would have instantly lost the game because we would have lynched XRZ the following day under any circumstances. You don´t do that kind of shit as town. I mean, there's a lot of shit you shouldn't do as town, but they do it all the time. Vayne's day 1 comes to mind. I agree it's dumb as fuck but it doesn't make it scum on its own. He's likely scum though. I'll be back later | ||
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1. I feel good about clarity being town now that I got roleblocked 2. I had narrowed down my choices to JAT, Oats or Stutters If you're trying to connect the two then you have to assume I would have been a good check, which I don't think I am. | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:30 hzflank wrote: Nope. They have a cop and a Vet who have the entire scum team nailed. After they kill Rayn they would need to waste 2 night-kills on me. Their only chance is to persuade people not to vote with me. But..I am confirmed town afterall! They will concede before you are lynched. hz, all these leaps you're making to somehow paint me scum. Remember the time when you asked me why I was so town? Those were good times man. Can we go back to those? At the very least can we lynch two scum before me? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:33 hzflank wrote: Sure. We lynch Exar. If he flips scum then we lynch Cora. If he flips Godfather then we lynch you. Deal? I agree to two thirds of this plan. Let's talk about exar flipping town, who do you wanna lynch then? Still CJS or maybe a Koshi/Stutters? (probably stutters) Also, if we flip two goons, will you still think I'm scum? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:38 hzflank wrote: Last part is easy: there is a green check on Cora so he is GF or town, not goon. First part well: if Exar flips town then I will look a fool. The most likely scenario then is two from Koshi/JAT/FT/Stutters/Oats. I am not sure which two, at the moment. I haven't done any in depth analysis stuff today, but are you saying that for xrz to be scum, cjs has to be GF? We're also saying it's unlikely that scum has a roleblocker and a GF? If that's the case xrz isn't scum. | ||
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They'll probably kill rayn, or I suppose they might just roleblock him when xrz flips town. Best scenario is if xrz flips roleblocker. Like, are you assuming that scum cannot have a roleblocker and GF hz? Could you explain your reasoning? | ||
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On August 03 2013 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, there is one cop and one vet (which can´t be blocked). The setup is already hard as it´s 10 vs 4. Do you think there is a godfather + roleblocker vs one cop? I see it as a possibility, but yes it's unlikely. That's why if xrz flips red I really don't wanna lynch cjs | ||
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On August 03 2013 08:04 hzflank wrote: You probably know more about the setup than me. Assuming that Xrz flips scum goon and scum do not have both anti-cop PRs, then the percentage play is actually to lynch FT day 4, because even if he flips town we still win (just lynch Cora and Clarity). If FT flips scum we are 6-1. Now, that is all assuming that Xrz flips scum. If Xrz flips town then we are 5-3, but with 3 confirmed town. I think we are getting really good odds from an xrz lynch even if you think that the chance of him being scum is not super high. Yep. Isn't it great that despite you thinking I'm scum we still agree? Anyway, I'm off to bed. Catch you all tomorrow. | ||
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I'm willing to lynch xrz just to get over this crap. I'm confident we can find the scum if he flips town. rayn I don't understand how you can't see that I'm town. What weird voteswitching? day1 I consolidated on tofu, day 2 I just switched to cjs to see who else would. The logic to vote for xrz made sense. The way he has reacted makes it impossible to say though. The way CJS is going about things, I'd rather lynch tofu or koshi tomorrow regardless. I don't think a scum CJS would be THIS opposed to an xrz lynch if they were both scum. hz I appreciate all the work you're putting into this game but you don't have to come up with and post every single possibility of the scumteams, it just makes shit chaotic and confusing. btw, if xrz flips green and ANYONE is still willing to say I'm scum, I'd rather you say that today because if that's the case I'd rather lynch someone else. | ||
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Or someone saying they would still lynch me at some point if xrz flips town. That's it really. Right now xrz looks bad. If he flips scum that's cool. If he flips town at least I'll be cleared. My point is oats I haven't seen you put any thought into this game at any point. You just kinda randomly enter the thread, ask questions about what's currently happening instead of finding out yourself, and then you leave with some random remark on a single post that has nothing to do with what people are currently talking about. Yes, I think you're right about Koshi's post being bs there, but you're doing nothing to push him. | ||
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On August 04 2013 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats does not sheep. He yolo voted XRZ on D2 if you remember Clarity. The CJS "case" on D2 was very frustrating/distracting and makes me feel bad about you because you didn´t even try to get the dude lynched. Indeed. I did not try to get CJS lynched. Well spotted. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity who is saying they would still lynch you in case XRZ flips town? No one, hence I'm still on xrz. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity, could you answer me these questions: 1) What was your intention to switch the vote onto CJS on D2 and what you would have done if XRZ had not claimed guilty on Malongo? 2) Why exactly are you voting for XRZ as you should know you were roleblocked on N1 and from your perspective it should be clear that mafia didn´t roleblock anyone (read: me) on N2 or XRZ is town? What´s your thought process? 3) Why are you shouting me to not spam because you should know my nature and you should know you posting what you do makes me wanna post even more? 1) Vayne wasn't interested in voting for tofu, so a tofu lynch was not happening. I asked people if they wanted to switch to cjs to see who would. I've already said I had no intention of lynching him. 2) Scum withholding a roleblock d2 is obviously a possibility. The points against xrz are valid. 3) Because you're making this game a goddamn chore. For every good post that has information in it in this game I have to slog through like 5 or 6 of yours. I feel like I've posted way too much and my filter is like 20 pages. Yours is 34, and you didn't even start playing until 3/4 into day 1. It's ridiculous. You are not helping town with this. If every post you made said something new, fine I guess. But all you've done today is REPEAT THE SAME GODDAMN THING 50x as if we didn't hear you the first 49x. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) You didn´t really answer, unless you wanted to no-lynch. So can i get an answer? 2) Why does it make sense for mafia to not roleblock a possible cop if they have a roleblocker? 3) I´m a bit offended about this because nobody listens to me for the first 49 times i post my stuff. But this is something that needs no more discussing. Sigh. 1) I thought it was gonna be a no lynch regardless. 2) It doesn't really, but them giving you a check makes no sense if xrz is town either. 3) I don't care if you're offended I'm just asking you to stop repeating yourself. You're heard. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) So you thought FT was scum but you did nothing to convince vayne to switch his vote onto him? Instead you start another wagon that pretty much ensures there is gonna be a no-lynch? On top of that when XRZ claims guilty on Malongo you vote for him instead???? See, this is why i don´t trust you. 2) You are right, it does not make sense unless XRZ is mafia and mafia thought vayne is a power role. Do you think anyone else than XRZ could have thought vayne was a cop/doc instead of me and if yes, why? Vayne does not seem like a person that you can convince of anything. We've had this conversation before. This is my fucking point. I believe it's not that improbable that scum thought you were full of shit about being cop, and believing there is a vet + cop + whatever vayne might have been (2nd cop most likely cause of his malongo check fakeclaim) I have said all of this before. | ||
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On August 01 2013 07:27 Clarity_nl wrote: Seriously guys, if you are town you HAVE to consolidate. Even if you think FT is town at this point, if there is a no lynch we NEED to know for sure that it's because there wasn't more than 1 (?) scum on it. If we no lynch with like 5 votes on FT we're screwed. This is not me trying to convince people to switch to FT? Or did I have to address Vayne specifically for it to count? Congratulations, you made me filter dive myself because you wouldn't. In case you haven't noticed, scum have had little to no thread presence today. It's literally been hz, you and me. It makes me doubtful. But as I've said I'll stay the course. | ||
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On August 04 2013 02:54 justanothertownie wrote: He already gave a different explanation hz. Speak of the devil. Indulge me, what explanation is that? | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: This post implies to me that you know he is gonna flip town. Why? Because obviously he's town and I'm scum who faked a roleblock on himself n1. Has nothing to do with the fact that I'm getting tired of you. | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:02 justanothertownie wrote: You saying you thought it would be a no-lynch. Yeah okay fair enough I misunderstood you. When I switched to CJS I did not expect to somehow still get tofu lynched, although there was still the possibility I guess. | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: That screams insecurity, something that has been noted on XRZ´s play even before that (when hzflank called him out on N2). Ballsy dudes are not insecure, i know that. exarezee seems to be falling into both categories that makes no sense to me. I hate you so much | ||
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On August 04 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: Clarity can you actually explain what do you mean by saying stuff you are saying and not make me to question every single one of your fucking posts because you are not being clear. Stop Repeating Yourself It Doesn't Help Town It just makes the game annoying to read. Clear enough? | ||
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I tried to get cjs lynched over tofu. I faked a roleblock on day 1. I'm consolidating on xrz lynch without a fight. I've looked town all game because I am town. | ||
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Let's just have naptime till flip, and if xrz flips roleblocker or town we can stop talking about this. | ||
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On August 04 2013 04:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also why do you feel the need to say you are town because "you have looked town all the game". Why not prove you are town by your actions, which you have not done? You're the one who said I've looked town all game but my votes have been weird. Fuck. | ||
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I'm gonna go do something fun, see you tomorrow. | ||
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On August 04 2013 12:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: gg mafia, im not gonna post any more because noone is helping me after vivax died. fuck i so much hate you all. We lynched who you wanted to lynch. He flipped town. You're blaming town for it. You basically made it impossible to talk about anything else than lynching xrz. Now, after town voted for the guy you pushed so very hard, the guy flips town and you ragequit? Fuck you. | ||
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We still have a mislynch. On August 04 2013 23:43 justanothertownie wrote: If rayn, clarity or CJS would SOMEHOW be scum we have already lost. I don't think so. Luckily we're not. If hz is somehow scum then he deserves the win, he's put more effort into this game than the rest of town combined. | ||
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However, rayn was not roleblocked which implies Oats is either town or GF. Apparantly GF and roleblocker would be imbalanced in this setup? I don't really know how but I've heard enough people say it to just roll with it for now. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:16 hzflank wrote: Well I think that whoever the scum team is they did not think that Rayn was cop. Now that Exar flipped green I think scum thought that Vayne and Exar were the blues, and therefore not Rayn. I made this argument before the flip and got completely laughed out of the place by you and rayn. zzzzzzzzz You might be right, but can we agree that it's very unlikely that oats is a goon or roleblocker? | ||
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It's not the worst thought..... Ima do some reading, back later. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats does not push crazy conspiracy theories (vayne being a cop instead of me), Koshi does. If pushing crazy conspiracy theories made people scum I'd have hung you a long time ago rayn. It also, obviously, was not that crazy. | ||
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You have a way of entering and leaving the thread without affecting anything the town does. I can easily explain hz's thoughts during the game, or rayn's, or even cora's. But you, I have no idea what you've been doing ever since n1. I'd have to look at your filter. I think I recall you saying stutters is scum, but I can't recall a single thing you've said to support or push that idea. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt say anything about stutters being scum. So why is this a point against me? On August 02 2013 22:52 Oatsmaster wrote: guys, stutters is scum. Sorry? Or are you going to explain how you were joking now? | ||
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I didn't even call you scum, I said based on your posts alone I would think you were scum, but there are other factors. hz puts it nicely. Are you saying you've pushed your reads and influenced town positively? Like, if we lynch two scum and can't find the third I'm looking your way. Although I'll probably be dead by then. One random thought btw, to no one specific. Is it possible scum didn't kill rayn cause they think I'm doc? | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don´t think that´s the case here. Mafia thought vayne + XRZ are cops. You being a doc fit´s nowhere in there as hzflank is vet. I don´t think scum would assume 4 power roles, unlkess you actually area doc in which case mafia having a GF + roleblocker is not 100% out of the question. I meant that I'm a doc instead of vayne being a cop. So like, they expected me to protect you so they roleblock xrz and kill vayne (since hz is vet) On August 05 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Clarity, you cant say shit like 'oats look scum off his posts' without backing it up. AND YOU HAVENT. Now either back it up or take it back. I have. If you refuse to read that's fine. Do you think I'm town? You should. Am I pushing for your lynch? I'm not. Are you helping town by pushing this? You're not. | ||
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On August 05 2013 00:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why would they not hit you and vanilla!vayne instead? Yep, true. Was hoping someone who I didn't consider confirmed town would answer honestly On August 05 2013 00:57 IMCaptainJackSparrow wrote: Dude, your vote is even worse than Koshi's. In 5 posts, you go from "XRZ is town to me" to "XRZ is scum". The 5 posts inbetween were set-up speculation and using the same heuristics as everyone else who voted for XRZ. You even said that the thought process being used was ridiculous, yet you voted for XRC...scum trying to blend in? If you think he's scum you shouldn't try to convince him that he's scum.  | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:11 justanothertownie wrote: If he is scum he doesn't need to give a shit because town is heading towards a lose. lol. | ||
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On August 05 2013 01:15 justanothertownie wrote: Yes, I did. If you lynch me we lose. At the moment to me it looks like everyone is dead certain I'm scum. Pretty sure the consensus was to lynch Koshi. Are you shaking in your little scum booties? | ||
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QUOTE]On August 05 2013 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Guys, JAT is probably town. Can you see why?[/QUOTE] No. Why? | ||
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Say all you want about rayn and hz, they've been making an effort (hz in particular) You can't possibly believe hz is scum at this point | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:14 Koshi wrote: Yes I admit that and you will never see me play like this. It's a newbie mistake. Rayn doesn't like me saying I am bad at this game but it is true. This is my 5th game and I still have to make a lot of mistakes for the first time. It's what it is. I decided to give stupid list on day 1 and trolled early day 2. I shot all my credibility and I pay for that now. On top of that I am easy lynchbait. I failed town this game. I know it. But 200 pages later, I know that it should have been possible for me to redeem myself. But it is hard when there 1 guy screaming at everybody to lynch XRZ and another guy making association cases 24/7. That's all what these 2 confirmed townies have done. Instead of playing this normal, keep asking good questions and try to really figure out who the scums are. Wait. Do you consider hz possible scum, or do you consider him confirmed town? | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:23 Koshi wrote: I know 1 thing. Mr 37 pages and Mr 28 pages are scum or horrible town. So your idea of being a good townie is to do nothing, then fling shit at the people who did stuff but ended up being wrong. Yes, the association stuff by hz got kinda out of control and rayn was just spamming the same two things over and over but it doesn't make either of them scum. So what is your point? Do you believe hz is scum or not? | ||
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"I don't know who scum are so I make no attempt to find scum and just sheep you. You are really shit for town btw!" | ||
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On August 05 2013 05:57 Koshi wrote: It doesn't prove they are scum. But you think I am scum because I obviously troll/derail the thread/make it bad to scumhunt. These 2 do it unobvious and you are not seeing it. Sure I would like to discuss with JAT on how he thinks I am scum and how I think he is scum. But in the meantime we got to read 1000 posts about how XRZ is scum and who the scumteams are. In which we are all mentioned. So our first reaction was to defend us there. I didn't even bother doing that on my phone. But I can tell you that thinking on persuing JAT was far from my mind. Silly me. Yes it was disruptive in a way. But are you trying to say you do not see townies trying to make an effort in the both of them? Do you think a scum hz, who is pretty confirmed before he started pushing xrz, would put all that effort into all of the association stuff just to bury a discussion about the xrz lynch, which was pretty much going to happen anyway once he made some very valid points. I don't get you. | ||
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I thought you had a really good point the first time around and agreed with everything in that post. *pat pat* It's okay. | ||
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On August 05 2013 06:39 Koshi wrote: To make it more clear: HZ, Oats are my best guesses to be in the scumteam Rayn if you are not death today it is probably rayn/Oats and hz town. (because we will have 1 blue right?) They can easily roleblock rayn and keep him alive. How does that change the alignment of rayn oats and hz? | ||
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Koshi thinks rayn and hz are both scum. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:21 Koshi wrote: Clarity. You also instantly believed in a fake XRZ claim. Why? Because I'm scum with rayn and hz. All we did day 3 was circlejerk eachother and we just laughed and laughed in the scum qt. | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:27 Koshi wrote: No, my point is. Vayne is on Malongo and switches to XRZ because he claimed cop over rayn. Rayn does not believe Malongo is scum but as cop instantly believes XRZ his redcheck on Malongo. Is that not strange? Pretty sure rayn called me an idiot (correctly) for voting the claimed cop over the claimed cop's red check, because at worst it's a 1 for 1 (unless ofcourse its town faking a red check LOL) I don't recall him immediately believing the claim, as much as I remember him just making logical sense in the situation. You're saying scum have a roleblocker, but town has no cop or other powerrole that can be blocked? | ||
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On August 05 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fuck you are stupid Koshi and that is so horribly wrong and idiotic i am not even going say anything about it. I hope my sanity check reveals i am a vigilante so i can shoot you in the face. This is called sarcasm, not to be taken literally. I wanna make it clear, the 2nd bit is sarcasm No the first I'm pretty sure he means the first part. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:15 hzflank wrote: Yeah no wonder Cora was so useless D4. I gave him a free pass because of the green check. Also Koshi, why tunnel me D1 without any reason? That seriously made things harder for me. You never even made a good case.And you gits should of read my D4 case on Oats. It was solid and he squirmed when I questioned him about it :/ All I know is that before xrz unclaim we were both ready to pounce on rayn. Brofist rayn, seriously man, you post too much | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:19 justanothertownie wrote: Must have been really funny being scum this game. Town killed itself. That's funny coming from you. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:24 hzflank wrote: It's hard to find scum on D1, I did the best I could and pushed it. I always said I was flexible, but I just did not see a better candidate. Loads of people thought I was scum which worried me a lot. But the fact is that I was scum-hunting from the get go and never stopped. Even without the vet claim you started looking town d3 Even if a dayvig doesnt kill you it would still be a silly plan. When you're town, just trust that when you scumhunt you'll start looking town. People will figure it out. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, hz´s claim was really good and 100% town and people were idiots to not see it. He thinks he is scummy. It´s a fucking majority lynch. He knows he will not get shot in any near future. He does not want to derail the thread by people discussing if he is mafia (because he is not) so he eliminates a suspect for the town by claiming. ? If there was a vigi and the vigi could shoot him without killing him and DID, that would be terrible for town. Yeah, we confirm two people but then they both die the following nights. If hz had done exactly what he did without the claim he would have drawn a shot at some point. | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it proved he was town and eliminated a suspect for ~7 people. The vigi thing he said was a mistake but no sane vig should have shot him immediately, or ever, because he was obviously town and vigis should not shoot town. It only looked town because he added the bad plan. Like, if he just went "yo guys im vet, claiming so you don't lynch me" it would have not looked townie. The looking townie part was by accident. It wasn't a good claim. | ||
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Oats didn't send in a save night 1, the dunce. On August 07 2013 09:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: It was the timing and the reasons he claimed for that were incredibly genuine, not any plans it included. What are you not understanding here? Yes, it made him clearly town. No, it wasn't a good claim It wasn't the most terrible claim in the world, and it worked out, but it wasn't a good claim | ||
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07-31-2013 07:23 PM ET (US) What in the flying fuck is going on. I go back into the store thinking Tofu is dead and come back to fucking a second cop claim today and Tofu is safe? Hahahahahahahaha I dunno Stutters, no clue. Vayne was derping about majority so wouldn't kill tofu. xrz just did stuff | ||
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On August 07 2013 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also Clarity, that´s why you make no last minute wagons for no reason. We HAD lynched FT, and avoided all the shitstorm that went on after that. if xrz wouldnt have done what he did it wouldve been nolynch cause of vayne. If he somehow said "okay I'll vote tofu" we would have lynched scum If we somehow got enough people on Cora we would have lynched scum. You know what a shitstorm is? Your goddamn filter. If you weren't confirmed due to being cop you would have been unreadable because of that monstrosity. You're also the one that talked me out of a malongo lynch day 1 | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:03 exarezee wrote: @hz i was close to certain malongo was scum. realky worried about no lynch. it was certainly a judgement call. not going to say i wont do it again, but will think about it more given the responses. no lynch is better since if you're wrong we instantly lose. Malongo lynch then xrz lynch, gg. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:04 jrkirby wrote: If someone claims they found a "townslip" in a game with me, I will automatically assume they are scum. I kinda understand scumslip, even though I know you shouldn't put too much faith in it. Scum has information that town doesn't have, and they might accidentally betray that information. Depending on the slip, this could be good, or worthless evidence towards being scum. But TOWNSLIP? What extra info does town even have that they could slip? The fact that they're town? Everyone uses this assumption behind all their posts, even the scum! WTF? Town can't just accidentally tell the thread they're town, because that's what they're TRYING to say all along! It's not like town are hiding the fact that they're town. I could imagine copslip, perhaps. Maybe even docslip. But townslip is the stupidest thing I've heard in this thread. it didn't hold as much weight with me as it did with oats, but to some degree I disagree townslip is probably not the correct terminology since, as you say, town have no extra info to "slip" however, certain things are very hard to fake as scum, and I felt FT was incredibly clever with how he handled that Then he just went back to being scum and I put less emphasis on his so called townslip, but it was enough for me to not lynch him day 1. I dunno why Oats just kept yelling townslip like it was the end all be all though, and it made me think he was scum, together with his non-presence (this wasn't just me, right?) | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yet it´s the only thing besides vayne´s stubborness that didn´t let me lynch FT on D1 and D2. Maybe someone bright enough can see how frustrated i was and why did i post so fucking much. Obvious things are obvious and if people do not get them i yell it over and over again. Sorry but that´s what i do. Who the fuck was disagreeing with the xrz lynch? no one You just kept yelling the same goddamn thing over and over and over | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:09 Oatsmaster wrote: why didnt Scum kill Rayn? according to the scum qt they figured that (assuming vayne was cop) they could mislynch him d4. Oats how can you forget that you are doc. Why didn't you read the thread at all this game. Why did it feel like you had no presence at all | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Corazon´s fault. Which is understandable as he was mafia. It's corazon's fault that you posted the same case 50 different ways? I think you also spent like 20 posts gauging who had a townread on you, when the answer was EVERYONE. You can't honestly say you posted so much because "town was bad" or "I was upset" It really was frustrating and you brought town to a screeching halt. It made me not want to play anymore. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:12 Oatsmaster wrote: It felt like I had no presence cause there was not much posting when I was awake and a ton of posting when I was sleeping. Oh well.. I forgot I was doc cause I forgot. That's... a fair point. I suppose when I saw you around when I was around maybe you were catching up? Anyway I didn't mean to give you shit I was genuinely curious because I've seen you do well as town, but I don't feel you did this game | ||
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I think I let the thread influence my thoughts too much, rather than have my thoughts seperate. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:20 hzflank wrote: Your play was good, Clarity. Bleh, I disagree, but thanks! I felt I kinda lost my voice n3 and beyond. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:26 FirmTofu wrote: I actually made a very pro-town post that no one read asking everyone to look into Clarity's filter. Town thought I was scum at that point so everyone ignored it. Their loss. You know I got a really bad feeling about you calling me town so often, and then going back into lurk mode. I dunno why you weren't considered for a lynch this last day. That dodge d2 though, LOL. Well played! | ||
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Another reason xrz claim screwed us :D Although honestly, by the end of d3 we should have realized it went too smoothly. Everyone was lurking while rayn was spamming and since 6 hours into the day we basically had a majority on xrz. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:40 VayneAuthority wrote: You shouldn't have to get a majority as town, pretty much defeats the purpose of large majority vs small informed minority. Whats the point of having more people if you somehow have to be informed as well? I maintain that majority lynch is an appalling mechanic and I was legitimately confused as to why that was a thing. I've played a lot of mafia games and never seen this before. It's never as simple as "all town have to be on scum for scum to get lynched", since scum will betray its team. But yes, majority is kind of icky (it's also pretty common, don't know how you've never seen it before) | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:41 hzflank wrote: Well if Koshi had gotten off of my back I might of been able to see clearer Also, I honestly thought Cora was town. I thought that if we had a doctor they claimed a couple of hours before the end of D3 so that we do not lynch Exar. Don't quit mafia hz, you have a mind for it, strong critical and analytic thinking. Yeah, you were wrong about a lot but you got people talking about the right things and if you hone those skills you'll do better every game. You're kind of screwed if you roll scum though. I don't see you emulating this. You'll have to fake being ill or something, lol | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:46 hzflank wrote: The big difference is when I played scum I did pushed a D1 wagon hard but then stopped short at the end so the guy did not get lynched. In this game as town I kept pushing so when he flipped green people thought I was more scum based on the flip. Nah I didn't. As you said, scum stop pushing when the townie they're targeting might get lynched (usually). If I remember it was some stuff from n1 and our very early interaction after my FT case in which you genuinely felt scared. I didn't want to lynch you day 2 though, I wanted to lynch stutters. Can't remember at what point that changed. Think it had to do with all the claims/fakeclaims etc. | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:49 s0Lstice wrote: yo i heard you guys like lying as town and making pre-flip connections Pretty much | ||
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On August 07 2013 10:52 s0Lstice wrote: how many games is this for you clarity? like... 5th? I think I played a two newbie minis a normal mini and a heavily themed (chrono trigger) That was all like in 2012 though. | ||
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Am interested to hear your thoughts corazon, and would like to know if your "ragequit" was staged or not. It didn't feel like it so if it was you had me fooled. hz, don't quit unless you really didn't enjoy the game itself, regardless of the outcome | ||
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On August 07 2013 11:39 hzflank wrote: To be fair, how much did association cases affect it? Exar was lynched for his fake-claim. You can call that a bad lynch but I never will. There is no good pro-town reason for making that fake-claim. I made a bit of an association case against Koshi but that is not why he was lynched. My case on Oats did not rely on association. My case on Tofu did not rely on association. The biggest association that I actually made that really hurt is was that Tofu and Stutters are not both scum. It made day 3 pretty unreadable combined with rayn spamming it up. I think you're just gonna need a notepad to scribble this stuff down instead of putting it in the thread. Then after xrz flips you can explain what associations you thought of and why in 1 condensed post. I was actually not too bothered at first at your association posts but they just kept coming. | ||
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On August 07 2013 19:10 Aquanim wrote: I think the original post where Oats referred to it is here but I don't know what posts of FirmTofu he's referring to. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=422720¤tpage=20#398 and the ones following. Tricked me anyway, although I didn't use it throughout the game to defend him or anything. But it was enough for me to not pursue him day 1. On August 07 2013 20:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno if you have played in a game where there is a majority lynch, but you really need to push your cases or consolidate with proper reasoning if you are not. 3 wagons in 10v4 at the end of the day is a disaster and will never get mafia lynched. Unless the wagons are FT/Cora and Malongo. LOL I hear you though | ||
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On August 08 2013 00:47 Stutters695 wrote: Yeah, there were a couple instances of "town slips" that I just went WTF, but wasn't going to question it. I would have never called someone town just for my reaction to Vayne claiming he had a red on Mal. If I'm scum with him and with how inactive/scummy he was the only acceptable action is to roll with it. I agree, and I gave your reaction to the claim no weight because of it. With FT however, it seemed genuine, and unless scum actively thinks something like this up and tries to make it seem genuine, scum would never do it naturally. So when it looks natural it looks like town. I hope that explanation makes sense. Like I said, that doesn't mean "ok well he's confirmed now ignore him for the rest of the game" but it made me not want to lynch him day 1. | ||
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On August 08 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote: What it means is that Firm understands playing scum  I agree! Should I put no weight behind something like that at all though? | ||
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On August 08 2013 02:18 hzflank wrote: Marv, want to arbitrate out argument over the fake-claim? Start of D2: Vayne claims red check on Malongo. Everyone questions Vayne, except Rayn who trusts Vayne right away. 1 hour before D2 lynch: Rayn claims cop with green check on Vayne. 40 minutes before D2 deadline, Exar claims cop with red check on Malongo. Malongo is lynched and flips red. N2 Vayne is killed and Exar is roleblocked. Rayn gets a cop check off. D3 a couple of hours in: Exar says he was fake claiming cop. Exar gets lynched D3. Would you of lynched Exar? Its worth pointing out exar's fake cop claim was done while there were two wagons on FT and Cora who (although at the time we didn't know) were both scum | ||
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