And last but certainly not least.
Slam you fooled us before, but no longer! The gig is up.
##Vote Alakaslam
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 08:26 GMT
#1361
And last but certainly not least. Slam you fooled us before, but no longer! The gig is up. ##Vote Alakaslam | ||
Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
August 09 2013 09:51 GMT
#1362
Alakaslam (1): DeusXmachina (0): Deadline is in ~ 34 hours. With 4 alive it takes 3 votes to lynch. Currently No one is set to be lynched! Voting is mandatory! Only votes in the voting thread will be counted! The voting thread can be found here. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 11:30 GMT
#1363
I can't sleep so I decided to post more. Slam Stats: Post count from start of game: 337 Number of posts that are similar to this On August 03 2013 09:46 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2013 09:45 Nightcat99 wrote: i like to metion zyree hasnot posted for almost 30 hours now, i know holy got a town read from him, but i actually never did. His post were all a bunch of town read and null, i am not seeing how he could be consider as town. And yeah neuter did i 150/337 (that is rounding down to give him the benefit of the doubt) Number of posts that contain a quote and nothing else: 3/337 Number of posts that contain one line of utter non-contribution (not including a quote if it is in the post): 90/337 (Again massive round down) Number of posts containing pointless videos or pictures: 14/337 This may seem exaggerated but sadly it is not. The point is, slam has contributed very very little. He spent all this time giving us a delightful 337 posts, wonderful videos, quoting half of the thread, writing one line non-sense, but NOT contributing. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 11:38 GMT
#1364
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 11:50 GMT
#1365
On August 09 2013 13:50 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On August 03 2013 10:15 DeusXmachina wrote: On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi: Aggressively hates no lynch Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night HolyFlare implicates him and dies First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM! His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man. How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not? Show nested quote + On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote Btw Umasi. We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum... This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM... Show nested quote + On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote: Good Quote Here He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him. I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right? But augh, this is so town! Show nested quote + On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings. Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right? Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME. I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts. 1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi". You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right? 2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game. 3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam? 4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 13:19 GMT
#1366
On August 09 2013 20:38 DeusXmachina wrote: I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis. Make sure my filter AND the vote thread are read. Wasn't absent, and voted Gotard long before you. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 13:37 GMT
#1367
On August 09 2013 20:50 DeusXmachina wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 13:50 Alakaslam wrote: On August 03 2013 10:15 DeusXmachina wrote: On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi: Aggressively hates no lynch Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night HolyFlare implicates him and dies First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM! His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man. How did you know/why did you think this was townie when others did not? On August 03 2013 11:00 DeusXmachina wrote: Which move would most appear like a attempt at blending in? A) Switching a vote last minute or B) Sticking with your vote Btw Umasi. We are three of us stumbling around like drunks. Who is acting... See we are all inconsistent! And, well, townie looking o_O Vets probably tearing hair out seeing right through scum... This is almost as mind killing for me as NWM... On August 05 2013 02:42 DeusXmachina wrote: Good Quote Here He is saying that generally speaking mafia try to blend in. More often than not that is their mindset. I would rather use that as a reason to be suspicious then the flip side, mafia being very active and aggressive to appear pro town. Umasi was one of the first ones to vote against reps, you could call that an aggressive play. At times he was one of the most outspoken individuals against reps, and at others he seemed to think reps was just a bad townie. His indecision is not scummy. Rather, it just means he couldn't make up his mind, and rightfully so because reps turned out to be town. In addition, Umasi has done several other things to draw attention to himself, for example, he vote-switched last minute and didn't really give a good reason why, and he has been inconsistent at times. I see this is a townie mindset. Townies are the ones who should be inconsistent right? They are constantly trying to analyze scum reads. Scum reads are highly subject to change. Again, think of the flip side. If you are a scum and you want to push an agenda, maybe even get someone mislynched, what would you have to gain from indecision? Not only would it draw attention to yourself, but it would weaken your agenda. For these reasons, I am not voting against Umasi. I was suspicious of him for early game, yes, but that vote switch got me thinking. The more I thought about the vote switch the more it seemed like a townie thing to do. I realize if Umasi is scum I will be boned, but can you really blame me for thinking this way? If Umasi is scum than maddddd props to him. I have already expressed my suspicion of Gotard. I agree with what others have said. I am not going to make a huge case against him right now because I feel like I would be regurgitating a lot of information. At this point in time he is the best candidate to vote for because he appears scummy and is most likely to be lynched. We can probably count on a Stim vote against him right? But augh, this is so town! On August 02 2013 01:43 DeusXmachina wrote: Guys DON'T jump ship right now. We have done really well so far. Why would we throw it away last minute? Alakaslam, unvoting reps is either a scummy thing to do by you, or just bad play. You have said yourself that we are even voting reps to get information at this point. Why would you want to throw that away!? We are already learning so much from the lynch. Stick with your gut people. Reps is either scum or a bad townie and I no way will help us win, simple as that. This is a game. Play to win. Reps will bounce back, no hard feelings. Again don't read between my lines, but why would scum reps need to bounce back/no hard feelings? If he was scum shouldn't we expect him to totally understand we were doing our job lynching him? But town reps would be the one who needed consolation, right? Just looks- note I admit only LOOKS- like Svengali play, TO ME. I want to break this post down point by point. It is one of slams more recent and longer posts. 1. First quote. He follows it up with a question. This contributes nothing. If he was town wouldnt he want to back this up with solid reasoning. For example, "Deus is scummy because he is defending Umasi".no, when town my goal is TRUTH. That would not be a true accusation. You guys can see how this is totally irrelevant now right? question not answered but rather attacked. How townie. 2.Second quote. After the quote he contributes literally nothing. He says some bullshit about stumbling around like drunks and the vets probably pulling their hair out. Why would he even quote me if he is just going to spout some fluff afterwards? He has been doing this all game. makes same point Umasi did later. We all have been asstalking. 3. Third quote. "But augh, this is so town!" Are you kidding me? You are trying to make a case against me dude!what mindset convinced you that I don't care who we lynch at MYLO?. Why would you bring up a quote just to say. Augghhh this is so town. Why wont you take a strong stance on anyone Slam? because I'm not scum. If I were what am I afraid of now? I just need to frame well, and am all knowing. Wait, that is the stance you have taken 4. Forth quote. Tops it all off with something that hardly makes sense. WOULD PEOPLE GIVE ME A BREAK ABOUT NOT MAKING SENSE. I SERIOUSLY CAN'T BE THAT CONFUSING- I BET IT'S JUST HIP NOW, SLAM DON'T MAKE SENSE BRO JUST 'MIT IT. I mean wow, I'm basically postin the same way I talk and not many people have troue understanding that! I mean sometimes of course, but this is like all the time! Svengali is a character in a book who hypnotizes an opera singer to make her able to sing but charges her extorbitantly and has her doing his services when not hypnotized. So people use Svengali to speak of the manipulator character. Ex: Karl Rove was literally called this with regard to George W. Bush. Oh and point taken on sarcasm- in context that makes sense. I am warning you folks deus looks all super town but he had time to plan this, I swore I be -not nk, but- Lynched before this situation. I thought folks would take nightcat seriously, I wasn't preparing for a situation like that. so I'm just spontaneous as ever. Wish I could just show you my scum meta but it is offsite and others here use it (some of our coaches and vets) but if you are wondering why I sux at scum, it's because I can't talk as much so when I try anyway it isn't much and it is ALL fluff and misinformation that is pretty painfully obvious, such that I say "bus me" | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 13:45 GMT
#1368
On August 09 2013 17:26 DeusXmachina wrote: ....................................................................................Alakaslam................................................................................... Over the next day and a half I plan to work on convincing the rest of you guys that Slam is scum. In order to do this I will elaborate on the points I discuss tonight as well as offer more examples of what I am talking about. This serves as a introduction to what we should all explore in the next couple days. Lets begin. Allignment: Scum Overview: 1. Weak contributor and does not offer new ideas 2. Blends in with town 3. Does not take strong stances and is indecisive 4. Voting patterns These actions are all scummy. As you may have noticed I am arguing the opposite points as I brought up on Umasi. I aim to prove that Slam is the last scum. If you would like me to elaborate on any of these points or offer more examples let me know. For the record I read all of slam's filter. 1. Contributions? Hardly Slam has been playing a game of deception. It is almost astonishing to think about, but he IS the last Scum. Well why is it astonishing you ask? Simple. His massive amounts of posts have fooled everyone. He made it seem like he was contributing all the while in that 20 page filter of his was absolutely nothing of value. I implore you to look at how often he simply quotes something, offers nothing of value after the quote, and moves on. This is his first noteworthy post. Guys this is on filter page 13 and he started the game on 3. He went 10 fucking pages without contributing a damn. He slid through the ENTIRE reps lynch without offering anything. He frequently says things like "DEFEND YOURSELF". What does that offer? So often he quotes and says something stupid afterwards. What does THAT offer? Absolutely nothing. (Sidenote: there is so many examples of this stuff that I am not going to put them here. Please read his filter to see what I am talking about. Like I said I will happily generate specifics to make my point. This is just the beginning.) He votes Gotard but give almost no reason why. He does not make a strong stance against Gotard to explain his vote. Not only that but he is extremely indecisive over his Gotard vote (more on that later). Finally he does not contribute to the Zyrre discussion, and he does not contribute to the RDO discussion. In his 20 page filter he maybe has less 2 or 3 valuable posts. 2. Blends in with the town? How obvious is this now that we are all thinking about it. The only thing that sets Slam apart is his wacky posts. But slam has gone completely uncontested, unnoticed. He has masterfully faked contribution. He has overloaded us with posts. He has bandwagoned on all of his votes and decisions. All for what? To appear town. It is clear to me now that Slam has been merely blending in. I think the reason so many of us overlooked it was because of his wacky posts. Slam never stickes himself out there. Has he ever been the first to take a stance against someone? NO. Has he ever been the first one to contribute new ideas? NO. Has he ever stuck his neck out there, had some really controversial opinions? NO NO and NO. He has been blending in this entire game. 3. Indecisive must be his middle name Slam is very indecisive. IF you don't see this as a scummy thing go read part of the General Guide to Mafia. The best example of this is his vote against Gotard. He votes Gotard, unvotes, votes Umasi, unvotes, and finally votes Gotard again. Same thing with reps. Votes me, unvotes me, votes reps, unvotes reps, votes scam unvotes scam, votes reps. Look how indecisive this guy is being! It is absolutely ludacris. It goes to show that he is not taking strong stances against anyone. Slam has not taken a strong stance on anyone (p.s I know these transitions are painful, but who gives a fuck. I am not writing an essay here). Seriously! Go find me one example of a strong stance? He has none. He didn't have a good case against me (lol at the kenpachi rule), he didn't have a strong case against reps, he didn't have a strong case against Gotard, or Scam, or RDO, or Zyrre, or ... You get the point. NOBODY! He doesn't take a strong stance against ANYONE. More examples of this to come. A great example of his indecision is when he talks about reps in some of his posts. 4. Voting patters I have already talked about this prior to this paragraph but let me summarize why his voting patterns are weird. He switches his vote a lot. He is one of the last ones to vote reps. He tags along with almost all of his other votes. Votes Gotard again after unvoting him. Votes RDO and Zyrre after others voted against them. His voting patterns exemplify his indecision. I think there is a lot more that can be said about Slam. HE IS THE FINAL SCUM. If you don't believe me now I will spend the next day and half trying to convince you. I only wish I would have realized this earlier. Like I said, I can give a lot of examples when we get deeper into this discussion. Point two is so false it is amazing, I more publicly and less noticeably KEPT my vote off reps by principle- causing my voteswitch to exasperate him- thus Mexican lion king (I had no clue it was in Mexican Spanish or any language other than english until I had posted it XD) If you two believe that I will be so blown away that GG scum thanks for the metacred. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 13:47 GMT
#1369
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
August 09 2013 15:58 GMT
#1370
I am warning you folks deus looks all super town but he had time to plan this, I swore I be -not nk, but- Lynched before this situation. I thought folks would take nightcat seriously, I wasn't preparing for a situation like that. so I'm just spontaneous as ever. Super weak. You're not even defending yourself at this point, it's just baseless crap. 'I look scummy because I thought you'd lynch me before today' Why would you ever play town with the intention of being offed at any point?(why would you play mafia that way either?) You can't keep citing nightcats thoughts on you as a defense, because they aren't a defense =/ they were just his thoughts. So far, all of your like, claims to being town are 'man you guys GOTTA believe me, nightcat was so right that I should be lynched before lylo/mylo' like that's not the correct way to defend or be townie, it just looks weak. You need a better defense than 'I promise you I'm town' ##VOTE ALAKASLAM | ||
Umasi
United States1399 Posts
August 09 2013 16:05 GMT
#1371
Do you think there are flaws with voting for slam? because I'm pretty sold. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 17:47 GMT
#1372
I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC. Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 17:54 GMT
#1373
On August 09 2013 22:19 Alakaslam wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2013 20:38 DeusXmachina wrote: I also wanted to point out that slam has been absent from a lot of the lynches. Namely RDO, Zyrre, and Gotard. Oh wait, that is all but one. Generally scum distance themselves from the lynches. Also, notice how his behavior has changed once we started being suspicious of him. He has had more analysis posts in the last 24 hours than his prior 300 posts. Why all of a sudden the change? His big analysis posts were entirely absent from the beginning of this game, and what he is doing now can hardly be called solid analysis. Make sure my filter AND the vote thread are read. Wasn't absent, and voted Gotard long before you. To clarify for everyone. I was saying that Slam was absent at lynch time with the exception of reps. In the moments before the Gotard lynch we heard nothing from him. I guess Zyrre is irrelevant seeing as how he was not lynched. In the moments before RDO we heard nothing from him. This is especially weird because he is one of the most frequent posters. Went back and looked at the time. Absent 2+ hours before the RDO lynch and absent roughly 4 1/2 hours before the Gotard lynch. This brings up another interesting point. Slam has not been aggressive in getting any lynches. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 17:57 GMT
#1374
On August 10 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote: Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder. I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC. Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too. What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 18:11 GMT
#1375
My quick thoughts: He had no intention of keeping his vote off a reps. Tries to swoop in and save the day by vote switching at the end to appear pro town. He takes a strong stance against Umasi to distract from the Gotard lynch or to try and lynch Umasi. He abandoned Umasi when it became apparent that Gotard will be the primary lynch candidate, and vote switches Gotard to appear pro town. Furthermore, he saw that RDO was almost certainly going to be lynched and does not get involved. He plays the waiting game knowing that town is killing off one of their own. | ||
DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
August 09 2013 18:12 GMT
#1376
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Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 18:22 GMT
#1377
On August 10 2013 02:57 DeusXmachina wrote: Show nested quote + On August 10 2013 02:47 Alakaslam wrote: Well done scum, Umasi not willing to read and who can blame him. I cant spend much more time as I'm back in AZ or I am serious, I would work harder. I formally apologize to reps, for not sticking to my guns To RDO, for tunneling To the rest if town, for not playing 100% these last moments. I have to work though and can't filter dive. I had to drive back to ca for a number of reasons and couldn't get much done even with my PC. Forming big cases not my thing all will see and I apologize for that too. What happened to going down fighting? What happened to not going down like RDO? Fight damnit! If you are town prove it. I apologize to him and reps. When stuff gets like this there really is nothing you can do short of focusing on mafia 100%, and even then it is questionable whether or not you will succeed, and I have work that I'm falling behind on. There is nothing to fight with because when I don't fight true but not scum tell points it is scummy. Nope, I can't do this. I am pathologically bad at lying, indeed I am like a kindly GLaDOS XD. "You are not even going the right way... Hello? Hello?" So I won't lie for my own defense because that would cinch your case even faster than spouting truth has- just like I did to RDO. Your early game is a big tell. That won't always fly... It is a really ballsy move, keep that in mind- I am not cataloging in my "scum playbook", because I am certain vets would see through it much sooner than I did due to the simple fact that towns biggest mistake this game was thinking you lynch for info. No you do not! | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 19:12 GMT
#1378
However Umasi buys it. I virtually cede. Scum victory. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 19:19 GMT
#1379
Stimaddict if there I any doubt in your mind, vote no lynch. This way, I will have another day to actually go after targets. Otherwise I cede. | ||
Alakaslam
United States17324 Posts
August 09 2013 19:23 GMT
#1380
On August 10 2013 03:12 DeusXmachina wrote: EBWOP I should have said takes a stance against Umasi not takes a strong stance Wait Wait Umasi you should remember this. What do you call a strong stance? | ||
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