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Did you link the right page? (Ty btw, Salome data- really just Phx data !!- makes it very hard to search the game!)
Because I didn't find that vote on it.
Scam was totes inactive, he was not playing toward scum wincon- I bet they decided to bus. Deus+Gotard posts on that page supports that pov.
Also, notice the rest of us @tt, were thinking scam was probably disappointed 3p or vanilla- they decided to bus, went better for us.
Deu totes scum when I am back home imma use my PC to hunt him down. TUNNNELS COMING FOLKS
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Slam you are wrong on so many points. Your previous posts were painful to read. I had a great reason for pushing reps. Go look at how much discussion it generated. In addition, it helped town narrow our focus to Gotard because of his lack of involvement in the reps lynch, and his bizarre infii vote. You said that yourself in previous points. The reps mislynch did not give me towncred. It raised suspicion of me (see Zyrre's posts) and to a certain extent it discredited my opinion. You say I am playing a ultratown but that is also wrong. I have been right on 1 of my suspicions and thankfully I pushed it hard. I have been wrong on Reps, Zyrre, and RDO. However, it is clear that I have had the best interest of the town in my mind, supporting every decision I have made. Calling me the GF/final scum because I know everything is probably the absolute worst case you could make against me. I have been wrong but at least I have stuck my neck out and contributed. I have taken strong stances against people and done in-depth analysis. You, on the other hand, have offered very little. I am inclined to believe that you are the final scum. That being said, I promise to give you a fair shake. After reps and RDO I have learned that there can be a fine line between bad town play and scum play.
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On August 09 2013 06:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Dude wait look at hte vote thread
Deus not vote Gotard till last minute
Infii die next night right?
##Vote DeusXmachina
Slam this is ludacris. Did you even read the thread? Do you know how dangerously close we came to a no-lynch. We couldn't rely on Gotard to vote himself (he changed last minute). The only thing that saved us was Zyrre/Stim vote at the absolute last minute. I pressed the Gotard vote extremely hard. I did everything I could to try and get Zyrre to switch his vote. Do your research before you post shit like this.
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Well then what, is Umasi the scum? And you skip my pushing of Umasi- was I right back then? All I know is that I am vt, stim is conf. town, and you were very late to actually vote Gotard. I am on such a slow connection for switching pages that I can't look through filters or even the thread ATM because I am also supposed to be digging holes.
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On August 09 2013 07:39 Alakaslam wrote:
Well then what, is Umasi the scum? And you skip my pushing of Umasi- was I right back then? All I know is that I am vt, stim is conf. town, and you were very late to actually vote Gotard. I am on such a slow connection for switching pages that I can't look through filters or even the thread ATM because I am also supposed to be digging holes.
Well Slam like I have said multiple times, I am going to look into you both, and not let my bias effect my analysis.
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StiM, I swear if you weren't mason you'd be the scum right now -.-
Slam, what it comes down to is that I don't think you've played a pro-town game on the whole, you make some weird jumps in reasoning, and you're extremely influenced by the state of the thread. That, and I don't think you read very carefully at all, you just talk about whatever happens to be the most recent things that were said~for instance,
On August 06 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:
First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu.
Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means?
SK
We are forgetting about SK
He is on our side though :D
Here are my thoughts:
DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out.
You just kinda look at key points and comment on those, you're not looking at what people are actually posting though~nightcats vig claim was literally the post above the night post =/
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Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo)
so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz.
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On August 09 2013 08:42 Umasi wrote:StiM, I swear if you weren't mason you'd be the scum right now -.- Slam, what it comes down to is that I don't think you've played a pro-town game on the whole, you make some weird jumps in reasoning, and you're extremely influenced by the state of the thread. That, and I don't think you read very carefully at all, you just talk about whatever happens to be the most recent things that were said~for instance, Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 10:16 Alakaslam wrote:
First off- I'm really sorry Umasi, or you are almost as good as Onegu.
Now, do you know what Zyrre and Indio both die means?
SK
We are forgetting about SK
He is on our side though :D
Here are my thoughts:
DeusXmachina is probably Town or SK. I think Nightcat may be SK. RDO, likely scum or SK. Stim obv town. Umasi may not be obv town but yeah. Next lynch RDO, should we fail we will probably know, but lets us all powwow and figure it out. You just kinda look at key points and comment on those, you're not looking at what people are actually posting though~nightcats vig claim was literally the post above the night post =/
I could miss that as scum and town.
But yeah, I have tried to form reads in my head and completely failed. I am aware of my reasoning mistakes. That is why it is so hard for me to convince that I am town.
I don't really want to push too hard for this reason, however I am still using PC to check stuff out when I get home though.
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On August 09 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo)
so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz.
I will. Big post coming tonight. At this point though, when stim is confirmed town, defending yourself is not totally useless. Eliminates 1/3. Mainly, I just wanted to point out that slams reasons for voting me are really weak. I guess he voted me before filter diving though.
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On August 09 2013 10:18 StiMaDDict wrote:
Deus is a scum?
Sigh....
I really don't know any more than you do.
Either him or Umasi but I really don't think it is Umasi. But I need to get home first and read
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On August 09 2013 10:39 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 08:44 Umasi wrote:
Deus, don't focus on defending yourself, focus on slam and me. I've said this a lot, the best way to be townie is to find and kill scum (imo)
so instead of telling us the scumhunt is inc and then not scumhunting, go scumhunt. for realz. I will. Big post coming tonight. At this point though, when stim is confirmed town, defending yourself is not totally useless. Eliminates 1/3. Mainly, I just wanted to point out that slams reasons for voting me are really weak. I guess he voted me before filter diving though.
Funny you say this and we have been and Umasi hasn't, but rather has been instigating to find reads.
Not that that can't be town but noted. Now I need to fuel up and get back on freeway, at quartzite ATM.
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slam, when you softly put suspicion on someone, make sure it's something that's actually scummy. not defending myself isn't scummy. In fact, trying to keep conversation rolling is a townie thing to do =/
~and no ones made a case for me to defend yet~
Slam, why haven't you been posting if I die reads if you were so confident you would be shot?
Why did you vote RDO? I can't find reasoning for it in the thread, you just kinda did it. From what I can see, and idk if I missed it, you mention that you think RDO is slightly townie here but then change it when you responded to deus
On August 03 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote:
One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts? I have started to mean town on RDO. You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit. Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3) Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of.
On August 04 2013 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 14:34 DeusXmachina wrote:
For what reasons are you guys not suspicious of RDO? Irrelevant question to me as is false.
What does the phrase 'irrelevant question to me as is false' mean? tbth, I think it means that you were suspicious of him, but there's nothing in the timespan between those two quotes that would have changed your opinion, right?
Basically, it felt like you kept your head down during the RDO lynch and let it happen, and I want to find out why.
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On August 09 2013 11:23 Umasi wrote:-.- slam, when you softly put suspicion on someone, make sure it's something that's actually scummy. not defending myself isn't scummy. In fact, trying to keep conversation rolling is a townie thing to do =/ ~and no ones made a case for me to defend yet~ Slam, why haven't you been posting if I die reads if you were so confident you would be shot? Why did you vote RDO? I can't find reasoning for it in the thread, you just kinda did it. From what I can see, and idk if I missed it, you mention that you think RDO is slightly townie here but then change it when you responded to deus Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 09:42 Alakaslam wrote:On August 03 2013 09:37 DeusXmachina wrote:
One thing that throws me for a loop about Umasi. In my opinion changing his vote on reps last minute is not a scummy thing to do. Why would a scum want to switch their vote on reps and risk taking a no lynch. It was a small victory for them getting reps out of the way, one townie down. Also he has come under a lot of attention because of that vote switch. Again, that does not seem scummy. That is why it is so hard for me to get a good read on Umasi. I still think he is suspicious, and like I said before, I will elaborate on that later tonight.
Slam are you still suspecting RDO for scum? Don't you think his spike in posts is a reaction to pressure? Also, if Umasi is not scum, then RDO could be taking the opportunity to raise suspicion of Umasi.
Slam would you consider scam as more scummy than RDO despite the fact that he is lurking extremely hard and we can't get a good read off of his posts? I have started to mean town on RDO. You do bring up good points. But you are distilling actions a bit. Scam is 100% null to me. I just dislike him. I unfortunately hope he is modkill- if not we lynch "tomorrow"(day3) Because I lean town on RDO, yes, but RDO mentioned a work schedule that I don't see him posting outside of. Show nested quote +On August 04 2013 00:55 Alakaslam wrote:On August 03 2013 14:34 DeusXmachina wrote:
For what reasons are you guys not suspicious of RDO? Irrelevant question to me as is false. What does the phrase 'irrelevant question to me as is false' mean? tbth, I think it means that you were suspicious of him, but there's nothing in the timespan between those two quotes that would have changed your opinion, right? Basically, it felt like you kept your head down during the RDO lynch and let it happen, and I want to find out why.
Because deus had said a loaded question, read te nested quote. I was null leaning town on him.
I had stronger townreads on you guys and later events changed my read on RDO.
You overreacted to me sir. I said not defending yourself could be either town or scum. But it was an instance of deus and I being same motive/viewpoint, which is a little town points for him- by elimination, a little scum points for you.
I need to read, gimme time
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On August 05 2013 04:03 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 03:36 Zyrre wrote:No DeusX, if you read my posts you see that my premis is based on you being mafia  .... Do you even read what you write? Your premise is not based on Umasi being scum, rather it is based on me being scum? WATT. Over half of your reason for suspecting me is because I defend Umasi. You think I am mafia because I defend Umasi (who you think is mafia). Ipso facto your premise is based on Umasi being scum. Like I have said before, I was suspicious of Umasi but the more I thought about the vote switch the more I came to realize he is not scum.
Hit page 4, this jumped out at me. Zyrre was nk'ed...
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And the following posts push Gotard hard.
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On August 05 2013 04:51 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 04:50 Zyrre wrote:
Well, I dont see a reason for me to change to Gotard.
If I switch: if he is town as I believe + stim gets modkilled game is over.
If I dont switch: 3 mafia, 4 town + scam will be left You just said that. Don't need to hear it again Zyrre.
This whole page of deus filter looks so town I am switching to Umasi filter...
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On August 03 2013 11:35 Umasi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 08:00 Gotard wrote:
YES! I'm always scummy! Lurking like a boss! Needlessly responds to me then goes lurker mode again. Show nested quote +On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii I don't normally like general statements about the game, they feel like trying to blend in. At this point, he brings up legitimate points against infii's logic, but he doesn't vote him for the same reasons I'd find the post scummy. He votes him on a logic inconsistency, not on the basis of "this is scum motivated" (fwiw it's a shitty list of nothing but noncommittal stuff, where he just kind of generally comments on things, and even includes a disclaimer) Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? I agree with both points. lynching town is never a good thing, but not lynching isn't normally wise either~ Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 03:00 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 00:58 Holyflare wrote:
I agree with your Gotard read, he straight out voted for infii mid discussion about other peoples suspicious activities after infii posted some reasonable claims. He is either trying to draw the conversation away from other people who are suspicious (ie. scum move) or he is playing very bad town.
Gotard, I'd like to hear your defence for this action by the way, and I also want to know your suspicions on everyone else to this point. Your posts have been slightly lacking in the evidence basis and your straight up call out on infii raises you to the top of my suspicions list right now.
Look at his 1st post. This is a useless list. Almost everyone is neutral. His argumentation is super weak. Zero quotes. Nothing. If you think someone is scummy put some effort into it. Posting like that is an easy way to fake some contribution which is scumy. On August 01 2013 02:15 infii wrote:
Then why don't you just lynch everyone e.g. in alphabetical order? Every lynch will give you crucial information, right?
We are awaiting your defense btw. Because it doesn't make much sense to lynch people randomly... Do you really expect that you will be 100% sure that someone is mafia before lynching that person? Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 03:11 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 01:22 Alakaslam wrote:On August 01 2013 00:27 Gotard wrote:On July 31 2013 23:17 infii wrote:On July 31 2013 20:28 Gotard wrote:This game will be hard. A lot of lurkers and two of the most confusing people in the whole universe: Umasi and Alakaslam. reps)squishy - He's posting isn't pro town whatsoever. Hue huehuehue. Really? If you are newbie better start posting reads/thought/analysis infii - My first post in my last game was pretty similar to what you have written right here. I was mafia. On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Unfortunately I can't be as active as I would like to be, but I'll try to post as often as I can.
So I'll go ahead and tell you my thoughts up until now after reading all the posts.
Umasi is at the top of my suspicious-list right now, because it seems he tries to stir things up and doesn't act neutral in any way. (e.g. anti deus - pro reps).
However that is not enough for me to vote on him... it's still the first day, right?
DeusXmachina took an early stance which backfired at him so now he tries to get clear of it. Seems legit aka town.
Holyflare is pretty neutral until now, which is good.
reps)squishy has stirred up some suspicion but that seemed to be unintentional, also I liked his defense.
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people.
StiMaDDict acts generally neutral, seems like town.
Alakaslam's last posts were totally bonkers. No idea what he is up to.
Again, this were just my thoughts about everyone active in this discussion up until now, there are no facts that I can claim to be true or false. "acts generally neutral, seems like town." - being neutral is scummy. If you are town you want to post your reads and generate pro town content and not to look neutral. ##Vote: infii So I guess "being neutral is scummy" is a law that applies in 100% of all cases? I doubt that! There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town... contrary to scum.IMO a Townsman would consider all options before deciding to vote/lynch, while scum will try to steer the oppinion of others in a desired direction. However... your hostile reaction is noteworthy. Every lynch gives you crucial information. How do you want to find out who is mafia if you won't take risk lynching people? Actually, no- that was misinformation. Go read up on guides like I had reps do. There are times in plurality when you want to no-lynch, that is why the option exists. In fact, in the offsite game where I was scum, townies only got to have one no-lynch vote, it was a sort of prize. Why? And wtf how after last game's logic right? Here is how. Tell me exactly what actual info comes from a mislynch. Yeah read the guides. Nonetheless I don't want to see no lunches. One at most. "There is nothing to gain for town if they lynch another town" There is no way you can agree with that sentence. He engages infii in useless discussion about no lynching or not. He's saying he's scummy because infii has different opinions, not because infii has scum motivations. (that said, infii also engages gotard in useless discussion, so it's equally scummy on his part) Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 07:46 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote:On August 01 2013 05:49 Umasi wrote:
Infii, why did you pop in to comment and basically say nothing, and then tell us you don't plan on saying anything? And you're defensive! What are you trying to accomplish by that? Address things other than yourself and generic town lists, because that just looks like you attempting to appear to contribute. In which way did I say nothing? My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M. The no-analysis thing was meant as a side note to clarify my thoughts on it... " My post was targeted mainly at sc_a.M" On August 01 2013 05:56 infii wrote:
That sounds so much pro scum that it almost can't be true. Please clarify your post if you are town.
Really? I mean, really? If you are targeting something it would be nice if you would explain to us why you think that particular behaviour is scummy. No lynch seems like a bad option to me but in the last game I played there was a guy who wanted no lynch and he was town. This is an opinion and of course you can argue with it but you need to tell why you don't agree. If you say something is scummy tell us why and i mean WHY not some meaningless one-liner. I agree with gotard pretty hard here, in terms of his stance. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:08 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 07:29 reps)squishy wrote:
I don't know what made me a bad townie people. I read guides watched the mafia meta (like Alakaslam wanted me to do) and people that bandwagon tend to be mafia to I voted Usami. The favorite to get lynched right now is me. I did not know being a newbie came off as scum which was my biggest blunder. My newbie claims were truthful and my responses have not been the best with all the pressure of being center of the spotlight in my first mafia game. By night time if I am not lynched I will have a far greater chance to improve and help the town out. There's is still a lot of time left until deadline. You can't panic and posts like "oh", "Happy?" or hue hue picture doesn't help and are not pro town in any way because all they do is taking away all of the attention and you lose your chance to create good content. Your defense so far is "hello i'm noob! Hue hue! happy? no? eeh!? I read some guides don't lynch me!". If you are pressured you need to prove your innocence not by crying for help but by being useful for town. Read guides, read your filter. Do you think you are pro town? I don't think so. When he addresses someone OTHER than infii, he tells him "you're scummy" and then leaves it at that. He doesn't actually tell him to improve, or anything like that, he just states to reps what's wrong with him, (and at this point, that might not be a bad way to blend in on the reps lynch, because we were all pretty much telling him what was wrong with him) Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 08:13 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 08:06 DeusXmachina wrote:
We should look for persistent patterns of lurking over multiple days. If we still have heavy lurkers during the latter half of day 2 then we can put a lot of pressure on those individuals. What do guys think about analyzing infrequent posters patterns of posting (say that 5 times fast). Is someone who posts at semi regular intervals but posts infrequently more likely to be scum than someone who posts infrequently but in spurts? I would like to know if this could be a basis for analysis. It sounds like to hazard to me. You can never be sure if someone doesn't have free time, doesn't feel like reading thread/filters or anything else but if you will find something interesting, who knows? needlessly reply, didn't affect anything, kinda blending inny. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 17:13 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 10:03 Nightcat99 wrote:
Gotard needs to explain the vote on infil.
When I saw his list the first thing I thought was that it's scummy because it was super neutral and he's scum reads are weak so I decided to pressure him with my vote and get some analysis and in depth reasoning behind his reads. It's easy to say that my read on him was weak because it was based purely on one single post but I wanted to see his next step. Look at that post: On August 01 2013 05:26 infii wrote:
I'm sorry but you won't get an indepth analysis from me on day 1 (maybe even day2). There is just not enough information on everyone, that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. (is this even a common phrase in english?) This is pure ignorance. "Hello! I will be lurking and this isn't scummy because there is on information!". Yes you have zero information about players at the very beginning but you need to gather it somehow and waiting doesn't help. That is why you might see people pressuring someone because of one bad post or even a single word in a wrong place. After I voted on you, you did nothing to prove that you are pro town. If there is not enough information why do you think that someone is scummy? On July 31 2013 17:47 infii wrote:
Nightcat99 is nr. 2 on the suspicious-list. Not many posts but the few ones have a chaotic flavor to them as in trying to confuse people. Why his post are having a chaotic flavor? When/how did he try to confuse people? Rereading this, I agree with the justification, and I agree that infii looks scummy, but these are points that could be brought up as scum by town, or by town against town, or by town against scum. It's just a rehash of other things about him that have been thrown around.that said, the justification is sound. Show nested quote +On August 01 2013 22:11 Gotard wrote:On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
I never said that I am going to lurk and wait. I will post as much as I possibly can and when I see it necessary. Maybe not but that was my impression and frankly this is pretty much what you do. Lurking and waiting. On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
OTOH he would still be more useful than StiMaDDict or sc_a.M. Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness. On August 01 2013 20:42 infii wrote:
Umasi:
He is pressing hard on reps atm. The way he confronts reps seems scummy to me and if reps turns out to be town he will definately be a big candidate for scum next day. You do that again. You say something and then there are no arguments. Why "The way he confronts reps" is scummy? Why reps flipping red indicates that Umasi is mafia as well.
Alakaslam:
He is also on reps. But unlike Umasi he went on a more supportive approach, trying to help reps to defend himself. While reps is clearly in a dead end, there is no need to increase the pressure any more. That is a strong town sign because we should support each other as town.
Why defending reps isn't scummy when "his argumentation is repetitive and overall not very convincing, therefore I agree that even if he is town". How can we support each other if we don't know who is town? We need to pressure and find scum not say "Hello my friends I love you all and I shall support you even when you look scummy as fuck!". Specifically this line: "Why is he more useful than them if he's repetitive and "either newbie town in a helpless situation with almost no way out or he is scum trying desperately to stay alive". This is not what town does. Why is he useful in any way? Because he posts more? Quantity doesn't mean usefulness." He's disagreeing with infii, he gives the impression that he thinks reps is scum, but he doesn't actually vote reps -.- Show nested quote +On August 02 2013 05:08 Gotard wrote:On August 02 2013 02:40 StiMaDDict wrote:
@Gotard: you stated that your vote on infi was a pressure vote. Is your vote staying on infi because you find him suspicious after his response/defense? Yeah I'm staying with my vote. I hate when someone make excuses like this: On August 02 2013 00:24 infii wrote:
Do I really have to explain every single thing in full detail? When participating in discussions I'd expect from the participants at least to be able to think on their own. This is what scum want to do: Interpret post in a way that will make town scummy and purposely hide certain context of post and exaggerate stuff than might be scummy. Writing one-line reasoning helps to achieve that goal. You need to share your thoughts you can't assume that someone else thinks in the same way or is clever enough to catch certain scummy behavior.
PS.: I am not pro reps, it's just that I am more anti sc_a.M/Stimaddict.
Why do you think lynching sc_a.M/Stimaddict? I can't see good pro town reasoning behind his posts. -In his 1st post he says that Umasi is his 1st scumread. -I pressure him -He quotes Umasi's posts that were made after his accusation. ????? He still fails to deliver reasoning behind his very 1st post.. like, he sticks to his guns, but reading it I didn't get the feeling from his posts against infii that he actually thought infii was scum, just bad and nonsensical. He DOES seem to refer to reps as scum though, but sticks on infii. The rest of his filter (he doesn't post more till after lynch) is just null to me. rereading it, although I agree that infii was scummy day one, his soft incriminating finger of reps is suspicious, when he chooses to stick with infii. My thoughts on him are pretty scummy, but not surefire scum. I'd rather pressure scam into doing things, but could be convinced either way. He's #2 for me to look at after scam. (in terms of lynching.) I'm going to immediately go and look at zyrre and see what I think about him, because I haven't gotten a good picture of him either.
Well whaddayaknow. I am a good filter estimator.
This is the townie way to push a lynch. My vote stays.
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Oh yeah... And I go back to deus filter ofc.
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On August 05 2013 04:51 DeusXmachina wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2013 04:50 Umasi wrote:
Slow down there deus, it's not set in stone gotard would flip scum. Zyrre holding out like a retard is similar to what I did, except I had to afk immediately afterward. Admittedly, this time during lynch period is really shaking my views of him, and if gotard flips scum I'll reconsider my read on Zyrre.
Someone needs to fucking vote swap dammit. No don't worry Umasi. Gotard vote swapped himself.
^^ see am I only contradictory person in thread? No.
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