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My goodness I'm still not comfortable.
I don't like goodkarma because he does nothing to get his ShiaoPi push across. He comes to conclusion that ShiaoPi is scum with the case and whatnot, pops in 17 hours later to say "ShiaoPi hasn't done anything I'm comfortable with my vote", and then
On June 22 2013 21:29 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2013 21:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually (after re-reading), after Hapa writes his "case" on me i'll tell you the following things:
1) Why Hapa and yamato are scum
2) Why marv is town
3) How i play as scum and how i play as town
4) Why i am town and see point #1 I don't see why you'd tell us this, and then sit on said writeup... We have 10 1/2 hours before lynch, and it seems we're nowhere close to coming to some kind of consolidation. If you have some kind of damning super-convincing case on Hapa/Yamato, why not get it out in the open now?
Berates rayn for not being forthright, expressing concern of consolidation but has done very little himself in convincing others that ShiaoPi is scum and should put votes on him.
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And I feel iffy because you could say that ShiaoPi is sort of in the same camp. Still rereading.
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On June 23 2013 05:03 Hapahauli wrote:Surely you can eat pizza and play mafia concurrently. Not hard.
I was in a car and I do not have a smart phone. Even if I did, http://www.dmv.ny.gov/cellphone.htm
On June 23 2013 05:01 Hapahauli wrote:
Actually hell. OO, where did you run off to?
You apparently have behavioral reasons to think DP is scum. Explain them to me.
DP is a smart feller, which I can admit despite our periodic antagonism towards each other from our history of games over the past 9 months). The fact that he construed my willingness to vote for what I consider to be an anti-town element (Oats) when I have a town read on that player (Oats) leads me to believe he blew what I wrote out of proportion to get a feel for thread sentiment in lynching me. A policy lynch doesn't work like that, and he knows it. I think it's pretty well established that I am in favor of policy lynching liabilities to town if only to progressively promote an atmosphere where mafia can't hide by doing stupid things or without explaining their own motivations (linked you to it in a previous post where I wrote it in a post as PTroughton2 in the post-game for smurf).
I wasn't be around to call him out for it, and he didn't actively pursue it, either. Think about that last qualifier for a moment in the realm of thinking of DP. He did not pursue his own scum read on me or try to persuade people to vote for me. He left it hanging for someone else to potentially take the reigns on. What motivation does DP have to pronounce a scum read and then not follow up on it? It doesn't feel right given his ego-driven high power play. So he doesn't want to lead the mislynch, then?
Also, I can't believe I missed this, this is gold.
On June 21 2013 14:26 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 14:21 yamato77 wrote:On June 21 2013 14:19 DarthPunk wrote:
I don't know if it's just me but every time i play with obvious I want to lynch him. Is this game inclusive in that vague statement, perchance? Obviously, or why would I say it? I didn't like how he just came into the thread with a town read on fucking scummy oates with all this reasoning. Seemed contrived to me. Like his first post is this big thought out town read on the guy shitting up the thread. That kush thing pissed me off too.
So what is his stance on Oats? Not sure, it isn't clear. He interacts with Oats, he calls Oats' play scummy, but where's the vote? Where's the push to lynch if Oats is scummy to him? It's fucking ABSENT. The same with me. Why is he not leading lynches? Massive ego + not leading lynches = scum hiding in plain sight.
Oh, and DP, if Kush was good then I would have lost that game. /dunked
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I am still only on page 36 and so far I would like to lynch DarthPunk. Hapa, you said, I should concentrate on GK or ShiaoPi but I haven't seen them posting yet.
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On June 23 2013 06:35 Ange777 wrote:
I am still only on page 36 and so far I would like to lynch DarthPunk. Hapa, you said, I should concentrate on GK or ShiaoPi but I haven't seen them posting yet.
I think this is the problem dear.
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On June 23 2013 06:35 Ange777 wrote:
I am still only on page 36 and so far I would like to lynch DarthPunk. Hapa, you said, I should concentrate on GK or ShiaoPi but I haven't seen them posting yet.
They were pretty much exclusively posting before page 36 o.O
Not much, but you definetely should have come across their posts.
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Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things
1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x
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If OO does have anything on DP, it's DP's lack of initiative. The way he's been pushing cases is somewhat wanting.
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Yeah... it's weird that he waited for my vote on OO before making his own, I think. ugh
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Oh ok, so I already read them. I thought they had posted something new I should consider before re-evaluating my reads on them.
If the lynch is between the two of them, I'd rather lynch goodkarma than ShiaoPi. I mentioned earlier that I can see ShiaoPi's posting coming from a town ShiaoPi, while I don't have a townie vibe coming from goodkarma.
But actually I would like to lynch DarthPunk more (if there isn't anything mind-changing in the next ten pages). If I recall correctly I called him out for not actively going for his scumreads before anyone else mentioned it and I haven't seen anything worthy of a townie DarthPunk yet. Just some angry DarthPunk but I think town DarthPunk can do better than that.
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I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.
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On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.
That kinda read as scummy to me. He's just picking a fight and getting angry over something stupid and random.
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sloOsh, give us your thoughts on all of this
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On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.
Isn't that a point that I brought up earlier that you thought was wrong?
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On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things
1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x
Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine?
On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
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At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
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All in all we should lynch Obvious though.
Sheep me plz
Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread.
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On June 23 2013 06:45 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me. That kinda read as scummy to me. He's just picking a fight and getting angry over something stupid and random.
I think Oats was right though, as mafia why not just answer the question? I can understand as town thinking you were a dumb lynch and not wanting to talk about it. Why even pick a fight there?
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On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things
1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine? Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
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At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
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All in all we should lynch Obvious though.
Sheep me plz
Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread.
No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes.
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On June 23 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote:On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things
1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine? On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
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At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
--snip--
All in all we should lynch Obvious though.
Sheep me plz
Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread. No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes.
Lurker lynch is not a policy lynch? Just asking because that's how I see his final push on me with this stuff. Maybe you see it differently?
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Right now I'm spending time looking into the context of DP's stance on ObviousOne.
On June 21 2013 18:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read? It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not? What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it? On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.
Do you remember from top of your head which game that was? Yeah pretty much the same. Like in carnival cruise mafia I was sure he was scum in the game and in the obs qt for days. Like to me he always seems super scummy. He could just be bad and be wanting to policy lynch his town read, and he could be scum being wishy washy as fuck. if it was anyone other than obvious, I would want to lynch them for being willing to lynch their major town read.
On June 21 2013 18:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place? Because I need help figuring him out. I would think from your response that that would be obvious.
He professes having problems reading OO. I'm double checking to see what gives him the bolster of confidence.
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