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On June 23 2013 06:47 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:45 Hapahauli wrote:On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me. That kinda read as scummy to me. He's just picking a fight and getting angry over something stupid and random. I think Oats was right though, as mafia why not just answer the question? I can understand as town thinking you were a dumb lynch and not wanting to talk about it. Why even pick a fight there?
Defending me is like the least risky move ever.
DP picks fights all the time. As for why that particular fight, who knows, but at the very least it's not allignment indicative.
In other news, I think I'm down to lynching GK or DP.
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On June 23 2013 06:48 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote:On June 23 2013 06:46 ObviousOne wrote:On June 23 2013 06:40 marvellosity wrote:
Obvious, I did have a look into DP about the things you mentioned. Couple of things
1) the oats thing was early enough that i think it's reasonable enough that he didn't pursue it
2) he did pursue/talk about you quite a bit on page 3/4 of your filter
3) I think you have a pretty valid point about the policy lynch thing. You made it abundantly clear it would be a policy lynch and what the policy was, even if you were leaning town on Oats. I'm not exactly sure where I lean on it because I *do* think it's pretty dumb to want to policy lynch you're leaning town on, and I can understand anyone being upset about that, but on the other hand I don't think DP should have been *that* incredulous. hrmdehrm :x Let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate that I'm wrong about DP and that your view makes the most sense: the period when I was around was, what, 6-9 hours into the game? That means that it was pretty early in the game to be making hard scum stances which does make some sense. Not everyone had checked in, middle of the night for probably half of the players in the game, etc. That means that his vote on me devolves into a policy lynch. Specifically, his evidence is that I fucked off (that I was not here is undeniable and I won't even contest it). What makes his POLICY lynch better than mine? On June 23 2013 00:28 DarthPunk wrote:
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At the moment the glaring obvious scum is... obvious. (lol) He makes a shitty post, then fucks off and doesn't explain or do anything. In his last game I played with him he was town and when i accused him day one he went ballistic and OMGUS'd me for ever. this game he ignores me calling him out and then disappears after bitching about lukers.
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All in all we should lynch Obvious though.
Sheep me plz
Perhaps DP didn't take into consideration that I didn't want a repeat of Carnival N0 where I tunneled the hell out of him for something that I was stupid about (the miller claim) knowing full well that if I get into it with him it's probably going to shit up the thread. No, that's not a policy lynch. At least not in my eyes. Lurker lynch is not a policy lynch? Just asking because that's how I see his final push on me with this stuff. Maybe you see it differently?
Ugh... it's a bit complicated. Mafia like to lurk, and a true lurker policy lynch is just drawing one of them out of a hat and lynching that one, rather than expand on why this lurker in particular. And he did expand on why you in particular.
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On June 23 2013 06:50 slOosh wrote:Right now I'm spending time looking into the context of DP's stance on ObviousOne. Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 18:07 DarthPunk wrote:On June 21 2013 17:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On June 21 2013 17:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Hey Rayn what do you think about obvious being willing to policy lynch his town read? It makes no sense. In Red Team's Prize i was all in for lynching town!OO for making a case on me that mostly said "rayn is doing this or that, i don't know what does it make him". After that game, when he flipped town, i have mostly ignored him and let other people do the reading on him, as i suck at it. I always find him suspicious regardless of his alignment. But yeah, his comment makes no sense to me. Do you think it makes him scum or not? What do you think about Hapa buying yamato's explanation behind his reads? Also why the hell are you buying it? On June 21 2013 17:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
he was scum.
And I would use meta if the most recent games differ from previous games because in my experience, i play similar to the most recent games. SO THEREFORE, the next time shiao pi plays scum, it would be similar to that game and not a game a a month or so ago.
Do you remember from top of your head which game that was? Yeah pretty much the same. Like in carnival cruise mafia I was sure he was scum in the game and in the obs qt for days. Like to me he always seems super scummy. He could just be bad and be wanting to policy lynch his town read, and he could be scum being wishy washy as fuck. if it was anyone other than obvious, I would want to lynch them for being willing to lynch their major town read. Show nested quote +On June 21 2013 18:15 DarthPunk wrote:On June 21 2013 18:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And what was the purpose of asking me about OO in the first place? Because I need help figuring him out. I would think from your response that that would be obvious. He professes having problems reading OO. I'm double checking to see what gives him the bolster of confidence.
Me voting for him obvs
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So did he follow up with you when you unvoted OO?
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Screw him being absent and screw his terrible case on Oats. I don't buy his explanation about the meta thing very much, because he *was* bringing him up on that basis and that basis was bad. I'm also still failing to understand why he was so shocked that Oats wanted to kill yamato for having backflipped reads after being suspicious of Hapa and DP. I was flicking through gk's filter in I Swear (I understand that he was mafia) but GK does seem to be pretty aware of Oats' meta in general. I simply don't get how he could be so suspicious of Oats at that stage for what Oats had done.
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On June 23 2013 06:54 slOosh wrote:
So did he follow up with you when you unvoted OO?
He's australian and went to bed, not unreasonably.
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I have to go to work, but it would make me beyond happy to see that DP is dead when I get home.
GLHF
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Ok, I think I read most of the thread and hopefully didn't miss anything.
Why are we still lynching Yamato? Shouldn't the fact that he has a secret vote on him which no townie claimed make it a scum vote and therefore him even less likely to be scum?
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We're not still lynching yamato, and anyone with their vote on yamato is being silly.
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Well this is a sad day. I'm still confident on my DP town read but I guess no one else agrees =/
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On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me.
Marv could I get a follow up on this one? Why wouldn't town DP just say from the getgo
On June 23 2013 01:35 DarthPunk wrote:
You know what I think about your case? I think it was bad. I think it took you a long time to say not much about why hapa is scum and CERTAINLY nothing convincing enough to make me want to lynch hapa day one.
Like basically you are saying hapa didn't respond to a question and was vague about scum reads. Fine. That is not enough to lynch anyone. If your case had blown me away then I would be far more willing to (IMO) waste time talking about a hapa lynch over an obvious lynch. But it didn't so I wasn't.
instead of refusing to do it?
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On June 23 2013 06:58 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 06:43 marvellosity wrote:
I just don't get why a mafia DP would decline repeatedly to comment on the Hapa case. It doesn't make sense to me. Marv could I get a follow up on this one? Why wouldn't town DP just say from the getgo Show nested quote +On June 23 2013 01:35 DarthPunk wrote:
You know what I think about your case? I think it was bad. I think it took you a long time to say not much about why hapa is scum and CERTAINLY nothing convincing enough to make me want to lynch hapa day one.
Like basically you are saying hapa didn't respond to a question and was vague about scum reads. Fine. That is not enough to lynch anyone. If your case had blown me away then I would be far more willing to (IMO) waste time talking about a hapa lynch over an obvious lynch. But it didn't so I wasn't. instead of refusing to do it?
The point about it is that it drew a massive amount of attention to himself, namely 3 votes in a very short space of time. It can't have been that unsurprising that he was irritating the shit out of people, rayn/me/someone else was all over him for it, yet he still held out. I don't get the attention-drawing thing as mafia.
I'd agree with you that as a townie he should just answer it too, it just makes even less sense for mafia to make themselves look terrible for no good reason, whereas townies think about that less
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Hapa we're an hour out, can you start pushing things? :/
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Just to be clear marv, you don't want DarthPunk lynched?
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Um, I'm not as against it as I was before. I'm kinda squirmy. I think GK is a better lynch.
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Marv you don't think DP is someone who is comfortable with pressure as scum? Also want to echo Ange777's question
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On June 23 2013 07:04 slOosh wrote:
Marv you don't think DP is someone who is comfortable with pressure as scum? Also want to echo Ange777's question
there's a difference between being comfortable with pressure and bringing massive, unnecessary pressure on to yourself, don't you think?
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So what exactly do you need hapa to push for? For a GK lynch? Why not try to push others yourself?
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